11 Nov
2020
11 Nov
'20
10:49 p.m.
I installed the PCLinuxOS Trinity Mini image to my second desktop
today. Iniitially, the printer was working. When I tried to use the HP
Device Manager, once the printer was added to it, it stopped working.
The Control Center showed the printer was 'stopped'.
The printer is an HP OfficeJet 3830.
I was able to get the printer to work again by adding it a second time
in the Control Center, but using a different name for it. Then, when I
attempted to remove the original printer (in Administrator Mode), the
original printer will disappear from the listing once 'Remove' is
selected, then about 5 or 10 seconds later, it reappears in the list by
itself.
I have attempted three additional times in reinstalling the OS from
scratch. But after each reinstall and reboot, once logged in, I went to
the Printers section and the printer was still listed.
On this third reinstall, the printer was physically disconnected from
the computer during the re-installation of the OS, no power, no USB.
Please understand that this has become frustrating.
Some questions:
1. Once in Administrator Mode, why does the printer reappear by
itself again, once removed?
2. Why after a fresh, new reinstall of the OS, complete with
partitioning of the hard drive (?), does the printer still appear on the
Printers screen when it's physically disconnected, once the system comes
up after the initial reboot? If no printers are connected, it should
not be showing any printers. In fact, the printer status showed: 'Idle
(accepting jobs)'.
I am going to attempt a fourth reinstall of the OS, but will be using
Gparted to format the hard drive, prior to this re-installation.
12 Nov
12 Nov
12:36 a.m.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:49:50 -0500
Edward via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
I installed the PCLinuxOS Trinity Mini image to my
second desktop
today. Iniitially, the printer was working. When I tried to use the HP
Device Manager, once the printer was added to it, it stopped working.
The Control Center showed the printer was 'stopped'.
So, did you try "Printer" -> "Start/Stop Printer" -> "Start
Printer"?
Did it not work?
The printer is an HP OfficeJet 3830.
I was able to get the printer to work again by adding it a second time
in the Control Center, but using a different name for it. Then, when I
attempted to remove the original printer (in Administrator Mode), the
original printer will disappear from the listing once 'Remove' is
selected, then about 5 or 10 seconds later, it reappears in the list by
itself.
I have attempted three additional times in reinstalling the OS from
scratch. But after each reinstall and reboot, once logged in, I went to
the Printers section and the printer was still listed.
You were probably just installing overtop the same partition without clearing
out the old files, so settings would have persisted (it's the only way I can
think of that what you describe could have happened, anyway).
Anyway, TDEPrint is just a frontend, and this sounds like something might
be going on inside CUPS, which is the backend. Point a browser at
http://localhost:631/ , then select "Administration" -> "Manage
Printers",
select the problem printer, and fiddle with the dropdowns until you find
"Delete Printer". Then "Go" to purge the printer. If it reappears
again
after that, you may have hit a CUPS bug of some sort.
(Last resort would be to edit printers.conf or your system's equivalent.)
Also, if your printer has wireless capability, your system may be able to
detect it unless it *really* has no power (that is, it isn't plugged into a
wall outlet). I wouldn't trust a modern appliance to be off and not "on
standby" when plugged in unless the power switch is a rocker and not
a pushbutton.
E. Liddell
1:09 a.m.
On Wednesday 11 November 2020 06:36:13 pm E. Liddell wrote:
You were probably just installing overtop the same
partition without
clearing out the old files, so settings would have persisted (it's the only
way I can think of that what you describe could have happened, anyway).
I think I hit this same type of thing last weekend, but I’m not 100% sure.
I did a:
- Live USB > Install > Auto use entire disk, no encryption
- Specifically not checking ‘preserve /home’
Did some testing, and I’m pretty sure I saved one file [fileA] in
~User/Documents. I needed to check something else, so I again did:
- Live USB > Install > Auto use entire disk, no encryption
- Specifically not checking ‘preserve /home’
Did some testing, and saved some files in ~User/Documents. AFAICT [fileA] was
still in ~User/Documents.
To be 100% sure I’d have to redo two full installs (but I don’t see that
happening).
Best,
Michael
12:42 a.m.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:49:50 -0500
Edward via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
I installed the PCLinuxOS Trinity Mini image to my
second desktop
today. Iniitially, the printer was working. When I tried to use the HP
Device Manager, once the printer was added to it, it stopped working.
The Control Center showed the printer was 'stopped'.
The printer is an HP OfficeJet 3830.
I was able to get the printer to work again by adding it a second time
in the Control Center, but using a different name for it. Then, when I
attempted to remove the original printer (in Administrator Mode), the
original printer will disappear from the listing once 'Remove' is
selected, then about 5 or 10 seconds later, it reappears in the list
by itself.
I have attempted three additional times in reinstalling the OS from
scratch. But after each reinstall and reboot, once logged in, I went
to the Printers section and the printer was still listed.
On this third reinstall, the printer was physically disconnected from
the computer during the re-installation of the OS, no power, no USB.
Please understand that this has become frustrating.
Some questions:
1. Once in Administrator Mode, why does the printer reappear by
itself again, once removed?
2. Why after a fresh, new reinstall of the OS, complete with
partitioning of the hard drive (?), does the printer still appear on
the Printers screen when it's physically disconnected, once the
system comes up after the initial reboot? If no printers are
connected, it should not be showing any printers. In fact, the
printer status showed: 'Idle (accepting jobs)'.
I am going to attempt a fourth reinstall of the OS, but will be using
Gparted to format the hard drive, prior to this re-installation.
Good news. :)
Printer is working again. The printer entries referenced above, I
subsequently discovered, were for the printer connected to the other
desktop - which has the same model of printer. It eventually
displayed the hostname of the other computer, then I realized what was
going on. Had it been a different printer model, then it would have been
obvious...
Should the CUPS server actually be seeing the other printer in the first
place?? I've never seen this occur before.
Thanks in advance for any information and/or suggestions.
1:06 a.m.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Printer is working again. The printer entries referenced above, I
subsequently discovered, were for the printer connected to the other
desktop - which has the same model of printer. It eventually
displayed the hostname of the other computer, then I realized what was
going on. Had it been a different printer model, then it would have been
obvious...
Should the CUPS server actually be seeing the other printer in the first
place?? I've never seen this occur before.
Oh, yes. cups talk to cups in a local network.
The printers do have to be in "shared" status.
But, I believe that's the default cups configuration for a printer.
So, you can print to either printer.
Jonesy
1:32 a.m.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 18:06:38 -0700 (MST)
Marvin Jones via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
OK. Good to know.
Thank you.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Should the CUPS
server actually be seeing the other printer in the
first place?? I've never seen this occur before.
Oh, yes. cups talk to cups in a local network.
The printers do have to be in "shared" status.
But, I believe that's the default cups configuration for a printer.
So, you can print to either printer.
Jonesy 
6:45 a.m.
Anno domini 18:06:38 Wed, 11 Nov 2020 -0700 (MST)
Marvin Jones via tde-users scripsit:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
You can print on any printer, but for zeroconf aka "magicly see the other printers on
the net" you need "avahi" - which I ended up removing fom any devices,
'cause it screws up routing tables when you happen to be in the same as a silvery
rotton tomato laptop.
Nik
Printer is working again. The printer entries referenced above, I
subsequently discovered, were for the printer connected to the other
desktop - which has the same model of printer. It eventually
displayed the hostname of the other computer, then I realized what was
going on. Had it been a different printer model, then it would have been
obvious...
Should the CUPS server actually be seeing the other printer in the first
place?? I've never seen this occur before.
Oh, yes. cups talk to cups in a local network.
The printers do have to be in "shared" status.
But, I believe that's the default cups configuration for a printer.
So, you can print to either printer.
Jonesy
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1:21 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 07:45:15 +0100
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
You can print on any printer, but for zeroconf aka
"magicly see the
other printers on the net" you need "avahi" - which I ended up
removing fom any devices, 'cause it screws up routing tables when you
happen to be in the same as a silvery rotton tomato laptop.
Nik
In all the years I've used Linux, the only time I could access a remote
printer from another PC, was when the printer was wireless.
Seeing CUPS accessing a printer USB-connected to the other PC, that was
definitely a first for me. :)
3:50 p.m.
On Thursday 12 November 2020 08:21:56 Edward via tde-users wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 07:45:15 +0100
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
Been doing it for years, Edward. Even before I found TDE. Just turn
browsing and share on in the cups config, and I can print to this
monster printer from any of the other 4 machines running here. You can
do that with any machine that has cups installed, send your browser to
localhost:631 to get to the cups main config pages.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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You can print on any printer, but for zeroconf
aka "magicly see the
other printers on the net" you need "avahi" - which I ended up
removing fom any devices, 'cause it screws up routing tables when
you happen to be in the same as a silvery rotton tomato laptop.
Nik
In all the years I've used Linux, the only time I could access a
remote printer from another PC, was when the printer was wireless.
Seeing CUPS accessing a printer USB-connected to the other PC, that
was definitely a first for me. :)
4:16 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 10:50:57 -0500
Gene Heskett via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Thursday 12 November 2020 08:21:56 Edward via
tde-users wrote:
> In all the years I've used Linux, the only
time I could access a
> remote printer from another PC, was when the printer was wireless.
>
> Seeing CUPS accessing a printer USB-connected to the other PC, that
> was definitely a first for me. :)
>
Been doing it for years, Edward. Even before I found
TDE. Just turn
browsing and share on in the cups config, and I can print to this
monster printer from any of the other 4 machines running here. You
can do that with any machine that has cups installed, send your
browser to localhost:631 to get to the cups main config pages.
I went in and added a location to the original printer, so if I have
both of them on, I can see what's going on now...
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