hi, everybody . . .
first, the discussion of kmail passwords has puzzled me a little. for *decades* i've set up kmail to store my password, and have not been prompted about it since. i vaguely remember being prompted for kwallet at one time or another, usually when logging in to Proton VPN, but that's not happened in a long time, either. in that i've had the same configuration for years, i can't remember what i did to bring this about.
what i have encountered instead is another issue that might be kmail or it might be something else. it is sufficiently strange that it might be of interest, so i'll describe it.
i use ProtonMail. i hate webmail, so am happy that there is an application, ProtonMail Bridge, that does the heavy lifting as to login, encryption, and so on. it logs into the server, and kmail logs into it. kmail goes to 127.0.0.1 for the mail. the bridge application goes out and uses the mile-long ProtonMail password to log in to the server. the bridge is supported for thunderbird and a couple of other mail clients of which kmail is not one, but the setup is pretty straightforward except for one thing.
frequently -- not always, but often -- my kmail inbox gets not just the mail but phantom copies of it. in the same mail run it might get 20 messages with six of them seemingly doubled. one of the two is the email message, no problem, while the other one is blank. the blank one has peculiar aspects. for one thing, i can't delete it in the normal way. i delete it, but it doesn't go away. instead, it has a line struck through it in the message list. when i restart kmail later, it is now gone. if i haven't deleted it, it is still there.
probably unrelated, every so often, maybe once a month, a mail check will cause an eruption of mail going back a couple months, and i get old mail all over again.
as i said, this is probably not kmail-caused. i mention it because maybe someone here will say, "hey! i know what that is!" and mention something i've missed. sadly, for all its goodness Proton is happy to cling to the "that client is unsupported" excuse.
another oddity involves my keyboard, which i like very much -- nice and loud -- but it is a USB keyboard. it behaves strangely: it works just fine, as now, but then after a few days it doesn't seem to register some keys and endlessly repeats others. but i don't think it's the keyboard, in that rebooting fixes it 100 percent of the time, for a few more days.
any guesses?
On 5/20/24 12:42, dep via tde-users wrote:
hi, everybody . . .
first, the discussion of kmail passwords has puzzled me a little. for *decades* i've set up kmail to store my password, and have not been prompted about it since. i vaguely remember being prompted for kwallet at one time or another, usually when logging in to Proton VPN, but that's not happened in a long time, either. in that i've had the same configuration for years, i can't remember what i did to bring this about.
what i have encountered instead is another issue that might be kmail or it might be something else. it is sufficiently strange that it might be of interest, so i'll describe it.
i use ProtonMail. i hate webmail, so am happy that there is an application, ProtonMail Bridge, that does the heavy lifting as to login, encryption, and so on. it logs into the server, and kmail logs into it. kmail goes to 127.0.0.1 for the mail. the bridge application goes out and uses the mile-long ProtonMail password to log in to the server. the bridge is supported for thunderbird and a couple of other mail clients of which kmail is not one, but the setup is pretty straightforward except for one thing.
frequently -- not always, but often -- my kmail inbox gets not just the mail but phantom copies of it. in the same mail run it might get 20 messages with six of them seemingly doubled. one of the two is the email message, no problem, while the other one is blank. the blank one has peculiar aspects. for one thing, i can't delete it in the normal way. i delete it, but it doesn't go away. instead, it has a line struck through it in the message list. when i restart kmail later, it is now gone. if i haven't deleted it, it is still there.
probably unrelated, every so often, maybe once a month, a mail check will cause an eruption of mail going back a couple months, and i get old mail all over again.
as i said, this is probably not kmail-caused. i mention it because maybe someone here will say, "hey! i know what that is!" and mention something i've missed. sadly, for all its goodness Proton is happy to cling to the "that client is unsupported" excuse.
another oddity involves my keyboard, which i like very much -- nice and loud -- but it is a USB keyboard. it behaves strangely: it works just fine, as now, but then after a few days it doesn't seem to register some keys and endlessly repeats others. but i don't think it's the keyboard, in that rebooting fixes it 100 percent of the time, for a few more days.
any guesses?
memtest86? Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
On Monday 20 May 2024 11:39:22 am dep via tde-users wrote:
i use ProtonMail. i hate webmail, so am happy that there is an application, ProtonMail Bridge, that does the heavy lifting as to login, encryption, and so on. it logs into the server, and kmail logs into it. kmail goes to 127.0.0.1 for the mail. the bridge application goes out and uses the mile-long ProtonMail password to log in to the server. the bridge is supported for thunderbird and a couple of other mail clients of which kmail is not one, but the setup is pretty straightforward except for one thing.
I am SHOCKED that you got KMAIL to work with The Proton Bridge.
The only apps that Proton supports is:
TB, Outlook for Windows, and I *THINK* Apple Mail.
said Chris M via tde-users:
| I am SHOCKED that you got KMAIL to work with The Proton Bridge. | | The only apps that Proton supports is: | | TB, Outlook for Windows, and I *THINK* Apple Mail.
It's easy, actually. Look at the page for setting up Thunderbird and open up the network settings (Accounts) for KMail, and it's pretty clear where goes where, after which it works well and has since early beta days.
| said Chris M via tde-users: | | I am SHOCKED that you got KMAIL to work with The Proton Bridge. | | | | The only apps that Proton supports is: | | | | TB, Outlook for Windows, and I *THINK* Apple Mail.
Also, if "unsupported" elicits any reaction from you other than "Ha!" you have not yet achieved the Linux zen, grasshopper.
On 5/20/24 11:39 AM, dep via tde-users wrote:
first, the discussion of kmail passwords has puzzled me a little. for *decades* i've set up kmail to store my password, and have not been prompted about it since. i vaguely remember being prompted for kwallet at one time or another, usually when logging in to Proton VPN, but that's not happened in a long time, either. in that i've had the same configuration for years, i can't remember what i did to bring this about.
what i have encountered instead is another issue that might be kmail or it might be something else. it is sufficiently strange that it might be of interest, so i'll describe it.
i use ProtonMail. i hate webmail, so am happy that there is an application, ProtonMail Bridge, that does the heavy lifting as to login, encryption, and so on. it logs into the server, and kmail logs into it. kmail goes to 127.0.0.1 for the mail. the bridge application goes out and uses the mile-long ProtonMail password to log in to the server. the bridge is supported for thunderbird and a couple of other mail clients of which kmail is not one, but the setup is pretty straightforward except for one thing.
frequently -- not always, but often -- my kmail inbox gets not just the mail but phantom copies of it. in the same mail run it might get 20 messages with six of them seemingly doubled. one of the two is the email message, no problem, while the other one is blank. the blank one has peculiar aspects. for one thing, i can't delete it in the normal way. i delete it, but it doesn't go away. instead, it has a line struck through it in the message list. when i restart kmail later, it is now gone. if i haven't deleted it, it is still there.
probably unrelated, every so often, maybe once a month, a mail check will cause an eruption of mail going back a couple months, and i get old mail all over again.
as i said, this is probably not kmail-caused. i mention it because maybe someone here will say, "hey! i know what that is!" and mention something i've missed. sadly, for all its goodness Proton is happy to cling to the "that client is unsupported" excuse.
another oddity involves my keyboard, which i like very much -- nice and loud -- but it is a USB keyboard. it behaves strangely: it works just fine, as now, but then after a few days it doesn't seem to register some keys and endlessly repeats others. but i don't think it's the keyboard, in that rebooting fixes it 100 percent of the time, for a few more days.
any guesses?
I much dislike webmail too. I have not tried to use the Proton bridge.
I think I would first log into the webmail interface. Verify only single instances of the mails exist. Then use kmail to download through the bridge.
Another option is temporarily use another mail client such as Thunderbird, or perhaps something console based like pine, mailx, or mutt. Possibly a less tasteful experiment is install a full KDE 5 in a VM along with KMail. The goal is to see whether the same problems occur with the Proton bridge. If the same thing happens then sounds like the bridge might be faulty or misconfigured.
Another idea is to use the Proton webmail interface to forward mails to another email address. See what happens without needing to use the Proton bridge.
With the keyboard perhaps move the cable to a different USB 2 port. Commonly USB keyboards and mice are designed to USB 1.1 specs, so don't waste USB 3 ports with these peripherals. Another option is install powertop. Commonly with the Linux kernel autosuspend is the default with keyboards and mice. Use the 'powertop --html' command to create an HTML page. That HTML page will contain explicit commands to disable autosuspend with the peripherals. Copy and paste those commands into rc.local or similar.
said Darrell Anderson via tde-users:
| I much dislike webmail too. I have not tried to use the Proton bridge. | | I think I would first log into the webmail interface. Verify only single | instances of the mails exist. Then use kmail to download through the | bridge.
I have here and sometimes use because it is quick and efficient (and for diagnostic uses such as you describe) ElectronMail, an electron-based webapp that recreated the ProtonMail web interface. (And also gives app-level access to such as Proton Drive, Calendar, VPN, and Pass.)
So I have long known that the doubling occurs somewhere between there and KMail. The first issue I encountered, and this was after I'd used the bridge for some time, was that messages read on KMail were not always marked as read at Proton. I *suspect* that if I were to tell KMail not to leave the messages on the server the problem would go away. But I use ProtonMail on several devices, using the native ProtonMail app on all but this machine, where I try to keep a mail archive. The doubling thing is relatively -- last couple of years -- new. I kind of figured that Proton would eventually fix it, but maybe I need to make more noise.
(I live where the phone company, the reprehensible Frontier Communications, has the internet go down one or more times each day. This created a real problem with Proton VPN, because it wouldn't come back up unless you did this:
[code] nmcli connection show --active nmcli connection delete [pvpn conn.] [/code]
It would have been trivial for them to put this in the code, to look for that connection and if it existed and delete it, as part of starting up their VPN app. But it took literally years of whining about it before they fixed it. I even made a little script that did it before calling the Proton VPN application.)
| Another option is temporarily use another mail client such as | Thunderbird, or perhaps something console based like pine, mailx, or | mutt. Possibly a less tasteful experiment is install a full KDE 5 in a | VM along with KMail. The goal is to see whether the same problems occur | with the Proton bridge. If the same thing happens then sounds like the | bridge might be faulty or misconfigured.
In the course of this note I realized that I have ProtonMail addresses that I could set to *not* leave mail on the server, with no inconvenience. I think I'll give that a shot.
Here is one of the ghost messages, received a little while ago. (It seems that of the doubled messages, the only ones from the list today that were doubled were yours, and not all of those.)
X-UID: 9414 X-Length: 10813 X-Flags: 32 From: Darrell Anderson via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org Sender: Darrell Anderson via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org Reply-To: TDE Users users@trinitydesktop.org To: users@trinitydesktop.org CC: Darrell Anderson darrella@clovermail.net Subject: [tde-users] Re: Password Manager constantly asking for password at launch. Message-ID: d7b11a63-b0be-74c3-1e01-412836827958@clovermail.net In-Reply-To: 202405191429.39892.CWM1330@gmail.com References: 202405191429.39892.CWM1330@gmail.com
T3R6flCKrbRw9RBM0Gfm_uzYiXKkNS8S9m6KMKVA8MngUpNuhWmY1lXEil6jdnCU9K7ES8NzdajdjFdBow3J_Q==@protonmail.internalid Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 14:26:06 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain
That's the entire thing. The message part was missing, though I got the whole thing in the other version of the same message.
| Another idea is to use the Proton webmail interface to forward mails to | another email address. See what happens without needing to use the | Proton bridge.
Then it would be sent in the clear, which kind of defeats the purpose (but for the VPN).
| With the keyboard perhaps move the cable to a different USB 2 port. | Commonly USB keyboards and mice are designed to USB 1.1 specs, so don't | waste USB 3 ports with these peripherals. Another option is install | powertop. Commonly with the Linux kernel autosuspend is the default with | keyboards and mice. Use the 'powertop --html' command to create an HTML | page. That HTML page will contain explicit commands to disable | autosuspend with the peripherals. Copy and paste those commands into | rc.local or similar.
I'll give those things a shot. I've tried different USB ports, put the keyboard on different devices (so I'm pretty sure it's not the keyboard; also experienced the same effect with different keyboards on this machine).
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