Greetings list;
iceweasel seems to have gone to the dogs with all the libssl updates as they try to sort the latest exploit.
So I am driven to konqueror, which usually works, but when clicking on a link to follow in kmail, kmail seems to be passing konqueror a link to the display buffer in /var/tmp, as opposed to just passing the text link I clicked on.
It does work ok if I slide the mouse highlight the link, switch to the konqueror screen, and middle click paste it into the address bar of konqueror.
Am I the only one with this problem? Lisi seems to think so.
Also, and it took a while to find this, the TDE default applications menu, and the default applications database konqueror uses, seems to be two separate databases, which was very confusing because I could be looking at konqueror, clicking on a sublink to try and locate a download or docs directory on some external site, and konqueror was passing it to iceweasel! Perhaps this explains why trying to change the "default" application in KDE, and not having it take effect until a root session, editing something in /etc/kde was also done. That was a PITA.
Maybe a bug/feature request is in order?
Thanks.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Hi Gene!
So I am driven to konqueror, which usually works, but when clicking on a link to follow in kmail, kmail seems to be passing konqueror a link to the display buffer in /var/tmp, as opposed to just passing the text link I clicked on.
Could you please give a more detailed step of actions and responses of what you did and what you would expect?
Nik
On Sunday 10 January 2016 13:43:04 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Gene!
So I am driven to konqueror, which usually works, but when clicking on a link to follow in kmail, kmail seems to be passing konqueror a link to the display buffer in /var/tmp, as opposed to just passing the text link I clicked on.
Could you please give a more detailed step of actions and responses of what you did and what you would expect?
Nik
Clicking on a url in kmail, passes the kmail buffer to konqueror as a /var/tmp address that shows in the konqueror address bar. Some times it works, but then none of the clickable stuff at the site works.
Slide highlight the url, which puts it in the copy/paste buffer, switch to the screen konqueror is running on, and middle mouse button pasteing it into the address bar & hitting ENTER Just Works(TM).
That, and apparently 2 separate databases of default applications, is at least one snilmerg I can learn to live without. :)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings list;
iceweasel seems to have gone to the dogs with all the libssl updates as they try to sort the latest exploit.
So I am driven to konqueror, which usually works, but when clicking on a link to follow in kmail, kmail seems to be passing konqueror a link to the display buffer in /var/tmp, as opposed to just passing the text link I clicked on.
It does work ok if I slide the mouse highlight the link, switch to the konqueror screen, and middle click paste it into the address bar of konqueror.
Am I the only one with this problem? Lisi seems to think so.
Also, and it took a while to find this, the TDE default applications menu, and the default applications database konqueror uses, seems to be two separate databases, which was very confusing because I could be looking at konqueror, clicking on a sublink to try and locate a download or docs directory on some external site, and konqueror was passing it to iceweasel! Perhaps this explains why trying to change the "default" application in KDE, and not having it take effect until a root session, editing something in /etc/kde was also done. That was a PITA.
Maybe a bug/feature request is in order?
Hi Gene, there are two parts here.
The default application in TDE Control Center is to set what you would use as HTML reader. This means you can get off konqueror (default) and use something else (firefox, chrom, etc)
The other one is the file association (mime). Here you have also two parts - one is in konqueror (TDE) and the other is firefox/iceweasel.
I had the reverse of the problem recently, when I was trying to open a link or a file (mainly from skype) it was using firefox instead konqueror.
When I had to install chrome for testing purposes I had to rearrange the alternatives (took me some time to read the docs and set it properly).
I'm not sue where exactly you should check, but could be a good idea to go through that.
When you go to the Control Center -> Components -> Standard App you have the option (web browser) to select opening of http/https with different programs depending on the content and format.
Is this selected for you or the other option below where it says which external app you want to use?
regards
On Sunday 10 January 2016 17:16:37 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings list;
iceweasel seems to have gone to the dogs with all the libssl updates as they try to sort the latest exploit.
So I am driven to konqueror, which usually works, but when clicking on a link to follow in kmail, kmail seems to be passing konqueror a link to the display buffer in /var/tmp, as opposed to just passing the text link I clicked on.
It does work ok if I slide the mouse highlight the link, switch to the konqueror screen, and middle click paste it into the address bar of konqueror.
Am I the only one with this problem? Lisi seems to think so.
Also, and it took a while to find this, the TDE default applications menu, and the default applications database konqueror uses, seems to be two separate databases, which was very confusing because I could be looking at konqueror, clicking on a sublink to try and locate a download or docs directory on some external site, and konqueror was passing it to iceweasel! Perhaps this explains why trying to change the "default" application in KDE, and not having it take effect until a root session, editing something in /etc/kde was also done. That was a PITA.
Maybe a bug/feature request is in order?
Hi Gene, there are two parts here.
The default application in TDE Control Center is to set what you would use as HTML reader. This means you can get off konqueror (default) and use something else (firefox, chrom, etc)
The other one is the file association (mime). Here you have also two parts - one is in konqueror (TDE) and the other is firefox/iceweasel.
I had the reverse of the problem recently, when I was trying to open a link or a file (mainly from skype) it was using firefox instead konqueror.
When I had to install chrome for testing purposes I had to rearrange the alternatives (took me some time to read the docs and set it properly).
I'm not sue where exactly you should check, but could be a good idea to go through that.
When you go to the Control Center -> Components -> Standard App
Standard App? How about default app?
In any event, a huge swath of that database is missing! I'd estimate 95% of the entries have no defined alias to hand the data off to.
And I have not nuked it.
So what file would I "reinstall" in order to restore the so-called defaults for all that stuff?
Thanks for the hint!
you have the option (web browser) to select opening of http/https with different programs depending on the content and format.
Is this selected for you or the other option below where it says which external app you want to use?
regards
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Sunday 10 January 2016 23:16:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
In any event, a huge swath of that database is missing! I'd estimate 95% of the entries have no defined alias to hand the data off to.
You can almost write a lot of it in. It is hard for us with so little detail of what you are seeing.
I have been suggesting that you should look at your settings.
My KMail hyperlinks open in Chrome. Here is what I have got (I hope a screenshot will get through). In case, I am sending a private copy to Gene.
Lisi
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:00:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 23:16:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
In any event, a huge swath of that database is missing! I'd estimate 95% of the entries have no defined alias to hand the data off to.
You can almost write a lot of it in. It is hard for us with so little detail of what you are seeing.
I have been suggesting that you should look at your settings.
My KMail hyperlinks open in Chrome. Here is what I have got (I hope a screenshot will get through). In case, I am sending a private copy to Gene.
Lisi
That I fixed by moving konqueror to the top of the list. And the next link I tried, worked. But I haven't tried but one. We'll see. FWIW, I moved konqueror to the top of that list yesterday too, but iceweasel had been restored to the top of the list when I looked again today. I'll be watching it daily to see if it changes by itself again.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:32:10 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:00:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 23:16:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
In any event, a huge swath of that database is missing! I'd estimate 95% of the entries have no defined alias to hand the data off to.
You can almost write a lot of it in. It is hard for us with so little detail of what you are seeing.
I have been suggesting that you should look at your settings.
My KMail hyperlinks open in Chrome. Here is what I have got (I hope a screenshot will get through). In case, I am sending a private copy to Gene.
Lisi
That I fixed by moving konqueror to the top of the list. And the next link I tried, worked. But I haven't tried but one. We'll see. FWIW, I moved konqueror to the top of that list yesterday too, but iceweasel had been restored to the top of the list when I looked again today. I'll be watching it daily to see if it changes by itself again.
Does Iceweasel think it is the default? Did you tell it that it was at one stage?
Lisi
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:43:25 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:32:10 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:00:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 23:16:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
In any event, a huge swath of that database is missing! I'd estimate 95% of the entries have no defined alias to hand the data off to.
You can almost write a lot of it in. It is hard for us with so little detail of what you are seeing.
I have been suggesting that you should look at your settings.
My KMail hyperlinks open in Chrome. Here is what I have got (I hope a screenshot will get through). In case, I am sending a private copy to Gene.
Lisi
That I fixed by moving konqueror to the top of the list. And the next link I tried, worked. But I haven't tried but one. We'll see. FWIW, I moved konqueror to the top of that list yesterday too, but iceweasel had been restored to the top of the list when I looked again today. I'll be watching it daily to see if it changes by itself again.
Does Iceweasel think it is the default? Did you tell it that it was at one stage?
Lisi
About a week ago when I'd gotten tired of chromium's missfires. But that didn't fix much, so I put konqueror to the top of the list, but apparently it has a mind of its own.
I will not even run iceweasel before I check that again tomorrow.
Thanks you Lisi.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:52:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:43:25 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:32:10 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:00:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 23:16:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
In any event, a huge swath of that database is missing! I'd estimate 95% of the entries have no defined alias to hand the data off to.
You can almost write a lot of it in. It is hard for us with so little detail of what you are seeing.
I have been suggesting that you should look at your settings.
My KMail hyperlinks open in Chrome. Here is what I have got (I hope a screenshot will get through). In case, I am sending a private copy to Gene.
Lisi
That I fixed by moving konqueror to the top of the list. And the next link I tried, worked. But I haven't tried but one. We'll see. FWIW, I moved konqueror to the top of that list yesterday too, but iceweasel had been restored to the top of the list when I looked again today. I'll be watching it daily to see if it changes by itself again.
Does Iceweasel think it is the default? Did you tell it that it was at one stage?
Lisi
About a week ago when I'd gotten tired of chromium's missfires. But that didn't fix much, so I put konqueror to the top of the list, but apparently it has a mind of its own.
I will not even run iceweasel before I check that again tomorrow.
Thanks you Lisi.
Edit -> preferences see screenshot.
Goodnight.
Lisi
On Sunday 10 January 2016 20:08:16 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:52:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:43:25 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:32:10 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:00:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 23:16:54 Gene Heskett wrote:
In any event, a huge swath of that database is missing! I'd estimate 95% of the entries have no defined alias to hand the data off to.
You can almost write a lot of it in. It is hard for us with so little detail of what you are seeing.
I have been suggesting that you should look at your settings.
My KMail hyperlinks open in Chrome. Here is what I have got (I hope a screenshot will get through). In case, I am sending a private copy to Gene.
Lisi
That I fixed by moving konqueror to the top of the list. And the next link I tried, worked. But I haven't tried but one. We'll see. FWIW, I moved konqueror to the top of that list yesterday too, but iceweasel had been restored to the top of the list when I looked again today. I'll be watching it daily to see if it changes by itself again.
Does Iceweasel think it is the default? Did you tell it that it was at one stage?
Lisi
About a week ago when I'd gotten tired of chromium's missfires. But that didn't fix much, so I put konqueror to the top of the list, but apparently it has a mind of its own.
I will not even run iceweasel before I check that again tomorrow.
Thanks you Lisi.
Edit -> preferences see screenshot.
Goodnight.
Lisi
I believe that is exactly what I saw the last time I looked at it, maybe 2 days back.
Thanks Lisi.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 01:41:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 20:08:16 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:52:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:43:25 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:32:10 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:00:49 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 23:16:54 Gene Heskett wrote: > In any event, a huge swath of that database is missing! I'd > estimate 95% of the entries have no defined alias to hand > the data off to.
You can almost write a lot of it in. It is hard for us with so little detail of what you are seeing.
I have been suggesting that you should look at your settings.
My KMail hyperlinks open in Chrome. Here is what I have got (I hope a screenshot will get through). In case, I am sending a private copy to Gene.
Lisi
That I fixed by moving konqueror to the top of the list. And the next link I tried, worked. But I haven't tried but one. We'll see. FWIW, I moved konqueror to the top of that list yesterday too, but iceweasel had been restored to the top of the list when I looked again today. I'll be watching it daily to see if it changes by itself again.
Does Iceweasel think it is the default? Did you tell it that it was at one stage?
Lisi
About a week ago when I'd gotten tired of chromium's missfires. But that didn't fix much, so I put konqueror to the top of the list, but apparently it has a mind of its own.
I will not even run iceweasel before I check that again tomorrow.
Thanks you Lisi.
Edit -> preferences see screenshot.
Goodnight.
Lisi
I believe that is exactly what I saw the last time I looked at it, maybe 2 days back.
Thanks Lisi.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Is all well now?
Lisi
On Monday 11 January 2016 04:59:46 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 01:41:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 20:08:16 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:52:14 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:43:25 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 00:32:10 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 19:00:49 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 10 January 2016 23:16:54 Gene Heskett wrote: > > In any event, a huge swath of that database is missing! > > I'd estimate 95% of the entries have no defined alias to > > hand the data off to. > > You can almost write a lot of it in. It is hard for us > with so little detail of what you are seeing. > > I have been suggesting that you should look at your > settings. > > My KMail hyperlinks open in Chrome. Here is what I have > got (I hope a screenshot will get through). In case, I am > sending a private copy to Gene. > > Lisi
That I fixed by moving konqueror to the top of the list. And the next link I tried, worked. But I haven't tried but one. We'll see. FWIW, I moved konqueror to the top of that list yesterday too, but iceweasel had been restored to the top of the list when I looked again today. I'll be watching it daily to see if it changes by itself again.
Does Iceweasel think it is the default? Did you tell it that it was at one stage?
Lisi
About a week ago when I'd gotten tired of chromium's missfires. But that didn't fix much, so I put konqueror to the top of the list, but apparently it has a mind of its own.
I will not even run iceweasel before I check that again tomorrow.
Thanks you Lisi.
Edit -> preferences see screenshot.
Goodnight.
Lisi
I believe that is exactly what I saw the last time I looked at it, maybe 2 days back.
Thanks Lisi.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Is all well now?
Lisi
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
And I have never gotten a response from vivaldi, which is a link to a link to a link to a link, to yet another link till it finally winds up in /opt/vivaldi-beta/vivaldi running a bash script that 111 lines later calls vivaldi-bin. BUT one of its dependencies is a broken link to a google chrome library, but I don't have that installed, the rumors and readme's are poisonous. And from synatpic, its not shown as installed so I must have gotten it someplace else. All nuked. Then I installed the vivaldi-snapshot with synaptic, but its far from complete, no videos, just stills & no detailed story, just the headlines on cbsnews.com. Removed.
Then I reinstalled iceweasel, and it still thinks its the default browser.
But I can't find an editor for this in the TDE menu's. WTH? So I ran update-alternatives as root, but again no mention of iceweasel. I did update some things to the latest versions. though.
I am stymied, flaying about in the dark and capable of screwing things up royally. I thought maybe iceweasel would update its idea of who's the boss if I checked the box to check if its default at startup, shut it down & restarted it twice. It still thinks its king of the hill.
So where IS that setting, and WHO can change it?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Am Montag, 11. Januar 2016 schrieb Gene Heskett:
I am stymied, flaying about in the dark and capable of screwing things up royally. I thought maybe iceweasel would update its idea of who's the boss if I checked the box to check if its default at startup, shut it down & restarted it twice. It still thinks its king of the hill.
So where IS that setting, and WHO can change it?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Maybe there is a *.desktop in this folder:
~/.trinity/share/applnk
Nik
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:13:07 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Montag, 11. Januar 2016 schrieb Gene Heskett:
I am stymied, flaying about in the dark and capable of screwing things up royally. I thought maybe iceweasel would update its idea of who's the boss if I checked the box to check if its default at startup, shut it down & restarted it twice. It still thinks its king of the hill.
So where IS that setting, and WHO can change it?
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Maybe there is a *.desktop in this folder:
~/.trinity/share/applnk
That path exists, but is empty. backing out to .trinity, ls -laR|grep iceweasel returns nothing.
Thanks Nik.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:55:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
I looked at that, but it takes a lot of stuff with it. And I'm not 110% sure it would put them back on a reinstall.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 17:42:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:55:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
I looked at that, but it takes a lot of stuff with it. And I'm not 110% sure it would put them back on a reinstall.
Don't let it. Or reinstall them afterwards yourself - keep a list. Who is master? You or Iceweasel?? ;-)
But is it actually doing any harm now?
Lisi
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:10:47 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 17:42:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:55:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
I looked at that, but it takes a lot of stuff with it. And I'm not 110% sure it would put them back on a reinstall.
Don't let it. Or reinstall them afterwards yourself - keep a list. Who is master? You or Iceweasel?? ;-)
But is it actually doing any harm now?
Lisi
I'd guess that on average, I can see about 1/2 the news videos. But its always the side show interesting ones it won't show me. :(
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 22:49:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:10:47 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 17:42:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:55:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
I looked at that, but it takes a lot of stuff with it. And I'm not 110% sure it would put them back on a reinstall.
Don't let it. Or reinstall them afterwards yourself - keep a list. Who is master? You or Iceweasel?? ;-)
But is it actually doing any harm now?
Lisi
I'd guess that on average, I can see about 1/2 the news videos. But its always the side show interesting ones it won't show me. :(
What has that got to do with whether it is default or not??
Lisi
On Monday 11 January 2016 19:36:58 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 22:49:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:10:47 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 17:42:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:55:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
I looked at that, but it takes a lot of stuff with it. And I'm not 110% sure it would put them back on a reinstall.
Don't let it. Or reinstall them afterwards yourself - keep a list. Who is master? You or Iceweasel?? ;-)
But is it actually doing any harm now?
Lisi
I'd guess that on average, I can see about 1/2 the news videos. But its always the side show interesting ones it won't show me. :(
What has that got to do with whether it is default or not??
Lisi
Bupkiss I guess, my dear lady. But I just found out how to make synaptic look at wheezy-backports, let it update around 350 packages, one of which needed a TDE restart, and things in general feel better. I've been trolling the net with iceweasel for the last hour and only had one lockup, which is an improvement. Only one thing worries me, I saw a tar update go by, and everytime they touch that puppy, some obscure calling syntax change is needed. I'm sure the email report from amanda I'll get in the morning will tell me something is wrong. Another lady, in a PM, called me a lad, so I asked her how many calendars have been thrown away on her shift here. I'd be willing to be my 81 can top it. ;o)
Take care Lisi, I am headed for the rack & see if I can find some ZZZ's.
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 17:42:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:55:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
I looked at that, but it takes a lot of stuff with it. And I'm not 110% sure it would put them back on a reinstall.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Or use another browser.
https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
It doesn't do any harm Iceweasel thinking it is default if nothing else agrees and the system is not using it as default. But that is a nasty trick, refusing to be unset like that. Worthy of M$ and Apple. Unworthy of an Open source program.
Lisi
On Monday 11 January 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Or use another browser.
PaleMoon?
Gerhard
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:45:24 Gerhard Zintel wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Or use another browser.
PaleMoon?
Gerhard
Won't install or run on wheezy. I forget why, but something is too old ISTR.
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:16:41 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 17:42:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:55:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
I looked at that, but it takes a lot of stuff with it. And I'm not 110% sure it would put them back on a reinstall.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Or use another browser.
https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
It doesn't do any harm Iceweasel thinking it is default if nothing else agrees and the system is not using it as default. But that is a nasty trick, refusing to be unset like that. Worthy of M$ and Apple. Unworthy of an Open source program.
Lisi
At the target range, thats a 200-10x statement. :) OTOH, I am not so sure the mozilla people haven't succumbed to the dark side at times.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 22:51:40 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:16:41 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 17:42:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:55:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
I looked at that, but it takes a lot of stuff with it. And I'm not 110% sure it would put them back on a reinstall.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Or use another browser.
https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
It doesn't do any harm Iceweasel thinking it is default if nothing else agrees and the system is not using it as default. But that is a nasty trick, refusing to be unset like that. Worthy of M$ and Apple. Unworthy of an Open source program.
Lisi
At the target range, thats a 200-10x statement. :)
American guns again. ;-) Translation, please, for those of us who are less familiar with the idea of shooting everything that moves. I did try to look it up on Google, but I couldn't understand the explanations either.
Lisi
OTOH, I am not so sure the mozilla people haven't succumbed to the dark side at times.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Monday 11 January 2016 19:41:30 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 22:51:40 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:16:41 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 17:42:05 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 09:55:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 13:29:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
And, there is no reference to iceweasel anyplace in /etc/alternatives...
I can vouch that once you have made the mistake of setting Iceweasel as default browser you can't undo it. See below:
"The way to 'undo' Firefox being the default browser is always to set another browser as the default browser."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/980646
But that only works if the browser you want to choose allows it! Chrome says it doesn't and Konqueror seems not to.
But in practice, the fact that Iceweasel now thinks that it is my default browser (I set it to default to find out for Gene's benefit how to unset it) doesn't seem to have much effect. If it does start to have an effect, I shall uninstall it, its conf. files, its hidden files etc. and reinstall it. I can only advise you to do the same, Gene - and next time I want to try something out for a similar reason I shan't risk doing it on my desktop machine. I couldn't believe that "Set as Default" couldn't just be _undone_ if one wanted!!! So I set it as default in order to unset it - and am stuck.
So, Gene: Uninstall Iceweasel. Nuke Mozilla and Iceweasel from your machine, every last scrap. And if you have a reason why you really want Iceweasel, reinstall it *from* *the* *repositories*.
Lisi
I looked at that, but it takes a lot of stuff with it. And I'm not 110% sure it would put them back on a reinstall.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Or use another browser.
https://wiki.debian.org/WebBrowsers
It doesn't do any harm Iceweasel thinking it is default if nothing else agrees and the system is not using it as default. But that is a nasty trick, refusing to be unset like that. Worthy of M$ and Apple. Unworthy of an Open source program.
Lisi
At the target range, thats a 200-10x statement. :)
American guns again. ;-) Translation, please, for those of us who are less familiar with the idea of shooting everything that moves. I did try to look it up on Google, but I couldn't understand the explanations either.
Lisi
Thats all 10 shots in the center 10 ring, actually in the 1/4 sized X ring in the middle of the ten ring. Thats just slightly better than one minute of angle error asd the 100 yard targets x is only about 7/8" in diameter. I had a barrel that would do that, 45 years ago, but burned it out because its pet load was about a 63,000 psi load, hot enough to take a fraction of a micron worth of steel out of the throat of the chamber with every shot, so I only managed to put about 3500 holes in things before a bullet first went thru the target sideways because the rifling didn't spin it up. But it sure was fun while it lasted. Once a fellow on the next bench called it to my attention that there was a horse fly sitting on the upper right corner of my target, so I moved the aim a little and ask "do you mean that one" as the rifle spoke and recoiled. He said I missed, I said lets go see, and a 100 meter walk later at the target, was looking at a bullethole where the fly had been, with blood around the hole. He had to concede that one. ;-) That same barrel put venison in the freezer twice at 500 meter+ distances too. But the next barrel never shot near as well, with any load. Yeah, I load my own too, cheaper by about half that way.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Gene Heskett wrote:
I just ran iceweasel to check, it /thinks/ its the default! But in /etc/alternatives www-browser -> lynx and x-www-browser -> vivaldi
as I suspected the alternatives. Mine got corrupted via google-chrom installation. It took me a while as I already mentioned to get it properly setup. After all I have never messed up with update-alternatives and its logic
I usually extract latest firefox in /opt/custom
I do ln -s /opt/custom/firefox-VERSION /opt/custom/firefox
After chrome installed, it was setup to chrome, so I had to clean up and set up alternative for the custom firefox
update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/firefox \ x-www-browser /opt/custom/firefox/firefox 300 update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /opt/custom/firefox/firefox
For the TDE applications you can set it via the Control Center as you pointed time ago.
I never become a friend to iceweasel as well, but firefox is great. It requires though a manual update of flashplayer, but it is also 2-3 commands in the console
regards
On Sunday 10 January 2016 02:16:54 pm Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 10 January 2016 17:16:37 deloptes wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings list;
iceweasel seems to have gone to the dogs with all the libssl updates as they try to sort the latest exploit.
So I am driven to konqueror, which usually works, but when clicking on a link to follow in kmail, kmail seems to be passing konqueror a link to the display buffer in /var/tmp, as opposed to just passing the text link I clicked on.
It does work ok if I slide the mouse highlight the link, switch to the konqueror screen, and middle click paste it into the address bar of konqueror.
Am I the only one with this problem? Lisi seems to think so.
Also, and it took a while to find this, the TDE default applications menu, and the default applications database konqueror uses, seems to be two separate databases, which was very confusing because I could be looking at konqueror, clicking on a sublink to try and locate a download or docs directory on some external site, and konqueror was passing it to iceweasel! Perhaps this explains why trying to change the "default" application in KDE, and not having it take effect until a root session, editing something in /etc/kde was also done. That was a PITA.
Maybe a bug/feature request is in order?
Hi Gene, there are two parts here.
The default application in TDE Control Center is to set what you would use as HTML reader. This means you can get off konqueror (default) and use something else (firefox, chrom, etc)
The other one is the file association (mime). Here you have also two parts - one is in konqueror (TDE) and the other is firefox/iceweasel.
On a Debian system the default application is set with the 'alternatives' system
'ls /etc/alternatives/' shows what are settable. 'update-alternatives --config x-window browser' may help.
I have the same behavior as Gene, but only from using an app that is different than the logged in user. If I 'su - <user>' and start apps from the cli. The logged in user has no issues. I have not traced this down yet, seems like an environment or PATH issue...maybe?
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