My heroes Steve and Stefan (hmmm the same names) Ok I did have trinity-ark installed but Stefan was right, the plugins where, infact, contained in "trinity-konq-plugins". After running it, still didn't show up, so I follow Steve's idea (hmm) and there it was. In Ark, all the plugins are in the same packages. Made it easier. Thanks for all the suggestions. I've added them to my dbase of knowledge (I litterally do copy and paste everything I get from here into a knowit file and LO doc for later printing.) Thanks everyone, thanks Stefan and Steve (hence forth "Marley And Marley") For all the help. I am reminded of a little know FUD campaign by MS. "Linux will never make it because there are no software programs for it and it doesn't have any support whatsoever." Not the exact quote and I can't remember who said. Kate I really shouldn't have watched the muppets for background noise. Poor Stefan and Steve.