2 Jan
2011
2 Jan
'11
8:44 p.m.
I am trying Ubuntu Maverick with Trinity 3.5.12, the live image I got from the
trinity.pearsoncomputing.net site. I am testing how well it works before I do a potential
upgrade. One of my tests includes installing VMWare. I couldn't make it work, VMWare
complains that the source in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.whatever/include doesn't match
the installed/running kernel, so it can't build the required modules. I got the source
from the Adept Manager application (plus the build-essential package). Do you folks know
anything about that? How can I get a kernel source that will match the running kernel?
--
Luciano ES
>
2 Jan
2 Jan
9:01 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kernel source doesn't match kernel?
On Sun January 2 2011 12:44:10 Luciano ES wrote:
I am trying Ubuntu Maverick with Trinity 3.5.12, the
live image I got from
the trinity.pearsoncomputing.net site. I am testing how well it works
before I do a potential upgrade. One of my tests includes installing
VMWare. I couldn't make it work, VMWare complains that the source in
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.whatever/include doesn't match the
installed/running kernel, so it can't build the required modules. I got the
source from the Adept Manager application (plus the build-essential
package). Do you folks know anything about that? How can I get a kernel
source that will match the running kernel?
Trinity users come from a wide variety of distros. For example,
my primary distro is Debian. I've used Ubuntu but I'm no expert.
You might find that one of the Ubuntu mailing lists or forums
would be more certain of giving you the best answer to your
question.
--Mike Bird
9:18 p.m.
Mike, I am referring to the live CD images available at the trinity.pearsoncomputing.net
site. I said so in my original post. Whoever maintains this list should be able to tell me
if the kernel was compiled for those images specifically, and where the actual kernel
sources are.
I should add, I only had that problem with the Maverick image. I didn't try to install
VMWare on the Lucid image. But I didn't like the quality of the sound of my (external)
microphone on the Lucid image, it's a lot better on the Maverick image, so I was
considering using Maverick.
--
Luciano ES
>
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On Sunday 02 January 2011, Mike Bird wrote:
On Sun January 2 2011 12:44:10 Luciano ES wrote:
************************
I am trying Ubuntu Maverick with Trinity 3.5.12,
the live image I got from
the trinity.pearsoncomputing.net site. I am testing how well it works
before I do a potential upgrade. One of my tests includes installing
VMWare. I couldn't make it work, VMWare complains that the source in
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.whatever/include doesn't match the
installed/running kernel, so it can't build the required modules. I got the
source from the Adept Manager application (plus the build-essential
package). Do you folks know anything about that? How can I get a kernel
source that will match the running kernel?
Trinity users come from a wide variety of distros. For example,
my primary distro is Debian. I've used Ubuntu but I'm no expert.
You might find that one of the Ubuntu mailing lists or forums
would be more certain of giving you the best answer to your
question.
--Mike Bird
9:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Kernel source doesn't match kernel?
On Sun January 2 2011 13:18:46 Luciano ES wrote:
Mike, I am referring to the live CD images available
at the
trinity.pearsoncomputing.net site. I said so in my original post. Whoever
maintains this list should be able to tell me if the kernel was compiled
for those images specifically, and where the actual kernel sources are.
My mistake. Apologies for the noise.
9:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kernel source doesn't match kernel?
On Sunday 02 January 2011 11:44:10 am Luciano ES wrote:
I am trying Ubuntu Maverick with Trinity 3.5.12, the
live image I got from
the trinity.pearsoncomputing.net site. I am testing how well it works
before I do a potential upgrade. One of my tests includes installing
VMWare. I couldn't make it work, VMWare complains that the source in
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.whatever/include doesn't match the
installed/running kernel, so it can't build the required modules. I got the
source from the Adept Manager application (plus the build-essential
package). Do you folks know anything about that? How can I get a kernel
source that will match the running kernel?
You can check this yourself with:
1.At the cli, 'uname -a' will tell you the version of the kernel you are
running.
2. Compare that to the kernel-headers version Vmware is finding.
It is possible you got the wrong headers ?
--
Peace,
Greg
3 Jan
3 Jan
3:02 a.m.
I checked 'uname -a' and everything seemed to match.
I am going to follow Tim's advice and upgrade everything. I couldn't do that then
because I was running the live CD, and a reboot would be required, impossible with a live
CD. I will install it to hard disk and upgrade everything (including kernel if suggested
by Adept) and see how it goes. Kind of busy with something else right now.
Thank you.
--
Luciano ES
>
**************************
On Sunday 02 January 2011, Greg Madden wrote:
On Sunday 02 January 2011 11:44:10 am Luciano ES wrote:
************************
I am trying Ubuntu Maverick with Trinity 3.5.12,
the live image I got from
the trinity.pearsoncomputing.net site. I am testing how well it works
before I do a potential upgrade. One of my tests includes installing
VMWare. I couldn't make it work, VMWare complains that the source in
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.whatever/include doesn't match the
installed/running kernel, so it can't build the required modules. I got the
source from the Adept Manager application (plus the build-essential
package). Do you folks know anything about that? How can I get a kernel
source that will match the running kernel?
You can check this yourself with:
1.At the cli, 'uname -a' will tell you the version of the kernel you are
running.
2. Compare that to the kernel-headers version Vmware is finding.
It is possible you got the wrong headers ?
--
Peace,
Greg
7:05 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Kernel source doesn't match kernel?
On Sunday 02 January 2011 06:02:14 pm Luciano ES wrote:
I checked 'uname -a' and everything seemed to
match.
I am going to follow Tim's advice and upgrade everything. I couldn't do
that then because I was running the live CD, and a reboot would be
required, impossible with a live CD. I will install it to hard disk and
upgrade everything (including kernel if suggested by Adept) and see how it
goes. Kind of busy with something else right now.
Thank you.
You can always reconfigure the kernel source to match your running kernel.
Download the matching 'kernel-source' for the running kernel, copy
the '/boot/config-2.6.<version>' to the top level of the kernel source
tree,
renaming it to '.config', google 'make oldconfig' to see how this is
supposed to
work.
BTW, I used an old Vmware workstation binary for years and had to stay with the
2.6.18 kernel for since it was the last supported kernel for my version of Vmware
WS, I finally switch to VirtualBox this year so I could upgrade to Debian Squeeze
64 bit, it is nice to not jump through the kernel/header issues with old
versions of Vmware.
--
Peace,
Greg
2 Jan
2 Jan
9:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kernel source doesn't match kernel?
I am trying Ubuntu Maverick with Trinity 3.5.12, the
live image I got from
the trinity.pearsoncomputing.net site. I am testing how well it works
before I do a potential upgrade. One of my tests includes installing
VMWare. I couldn't make it work, VMWare complains that the source in
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.whatever/include doesn't match the
installed/running kernel, so it can't build the required modules. I got
the source from the Adept Manager application (plus the build-essential
package). Do you folks know anything about that? How can I get a kernel
source that will match the running kernel?
You may want to try an upgrade of all installed packages using Adept or
Synaptic. The Trinity LiveCD images were built directly from the official
Ubuntu LiveCD images, so I am somewhat surprised to hear about this type
of problem.
Tim
3 Jan
3 Jan
3:35 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Kernel source doesn't match kernel?
Luciano ES wrote:
I am trying Ubuntu Maverick with Trinity 3.5.12, the
live image I got from the trinity.pearsoncomputing.net site. I am testing how well it
works before I do a potential upgrade. One of my tests includes installing VMWare. I
couldn't make it work, VMWare complains that the source in
/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.whatever/include doesn't match the installed/running
kernel, so it can't build the required modules. I got the source from the Adept
Manager application (plus the build-essential package). Do you folks know anything about
that? How can I get a kernel source that will match the running kernel?
I don't know why you installed version 10.10 when the 10.04 LTS is more
stable, my guess is you wanted the latest version, I installed both and
I can tell you 10.04 is a lot better and will have better support than a
6 month release will ever have.
I'm using Trinity on Debian Squeeze and 10.04 LTS, I removed 10.10 I saw
no reason to keep it.
--
Jimmy Johnson
SimplyMEPIS Alpha-1 - KDE 4.5.2 at sda9
Registered Linux User #380263
5:14 a.m.
On Monday 03 January 2011, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I don't know why you installed version 10.10 when
the 10.04 LTS is more
stable, my guess is you wanted the latest version, I installed both and
I can tell you 10.04 is a lot better and will have better support than a
6 month release will ever have.
**************************
If you're too curious, I'll expose my whole drama and line of thinking.
I am using KDE 3.5.10 on Jaunty. I think it's not even Trinity yet, probably still
original KDE.
Most Linux users take upgrading the whole system for granted and upgrade it often. Not me.
I really, really need VMWare Server, and I LOATHE VMWare Server 2. I love VMWare Server
1.x, and VMWare Server 1.x will not work on newer kernels. It seems everybody including
hobbyists have given up on trying to make patches for VMWare 1 on current kernels, I
can't find that anywhere. That, that alone, has prevented me from upgrading my Linux
installation. Nothing else, just that.
And I was happy with everything I had... except sound. Sound in Linux is just awful,
isn't it? I was annoyed because I can't have two applications output sound
simultaneously, and I couldn't record my overall sound output so I could, say, record
streaming. Forget JACK, I've never been able to make that POS work, even when I used
Slackware years ago and I still can't make it work. I am sick of booting into Windows
XP just to record some occasional streaming (which works with top-notch perfection on
Windows XP, of course, it's just Linux that has such embarrassingly appalling sound
support). And I think I was having some problem with Skype too, not sure.
Googling around, I ended up at the ALSA website and found an upgrade that was supposed to
give me the ability to record sound output. That seemed like a very good plan: instead of
upgrading the entire OS and losing VMWare Server 1.x, I could just upgrade ALSA.
So I upgraded ALSA. First I followed their instructions to backup my existing modules in
case something went wrong. Then I followed their instructions to upgrade the modules.
Well, something went wrong, I cannot use Skype anymore, and their backup instructions were
wrong, so I cannot go back to my old modules. I'm stuck with the new ones. And I still
cannot record streaming sound output. So I gained nothing and lost Skype. I've been
putting up with this aggravation for months. I've also been putting up with knowing
that newer distros (including Ubuntu) support the webcam on my notebook, while Jaunty does
not. I would like to have that, too.
Enough is enough. I've decided to take another look at VMWare Server 2 and maybe suck
it up, put up with that POS so I can finally catch up with the rest of the world and
upgrade my Linux to something current. Which brings me to my latest experimenting with
Linux Mint and the Ubuntu images with Trinity pre installed.
The experience with Mint didn't go well. It let me install and run Trinity, worked
fine, but then VMWare Server needs to build kernel modules. So I needed kernel sources and
the build-essential package. Well, either/both kernel source and/or build-essential on
Mint 9 require complete removal of KDE 3. 148 packages, no less. I just felt like
strangling someone and gave up on Mint. That kind of package removal conflict is exactly
what kept me away from Debian and derivates for many years. I find that utterly stupid and
unacceptable.
So I came back to the Trinity disk images.
Remember, the one thing that makes me want to upgrade is sound support. And the webcam. So
I am testing that. The test with the Lucid-based Trinity CD image didn't go to well. I
sound awful on Skype. I hear myself really loud into my own headphones, and I can't
turn down the volume for the microphone, lest the other party won't hear me well. And
the microphone still captures too much ambient noise. It's awful.
You see, the longer support period for Lucid than Maverick doesn't mean anything to
me. Once I have moved to VMWare Server 2, as long as it works with newer kernels, I
don't mind upgrading the whole OS every few months. So I tried the Maverick-based
Trinity CD image, and... hey, Skype sounds excellent on it. Just perfect, fine, stellar.
My only complaint is that the entire OS froze at some point and I had to hard reset the
machine... Definitely not a good sign.
Summary:
- as is: I cannot record streaming or use Skype; I have to withstand the humiliation of
booting into Windows everytime I need to use Skype;
- Mint: won't let me have Trinity AND compile source;
- Lucid-based Trinity: crappy sound on Skype;
- Maverick-based Trinity: great sound on Skype, but kernel source doesn't match
running kernel, and the bastard froze on me, might be unstable.
I am also considering giving the hell up on the whole upgrade idea. Until some other
Ubuntu version comes along that will not cause me trouble. I don't know.
This is the whole story.
--
Luciano ES
>
7:25 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Kernel source doesn't match kernel?
Luciano ES wrote:
On Monday 03 January 2011, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> I don't know why you installed version 10.10 when the 10.04 LTS is more
> stable, my guess is you wanted the latest version, I installed both and
> I can tell you 10.04 is a lot better and will have better support than a
> 6 month release will ever have.
If you're too curious, I'll expose my whole
drama and line of thinking.
I am using KDE 3.5.10 on Jaunty. I think it's not even Trinity yet, probably still
original KDE.
Again not an LTS, I only just now dumped Hardy because I needed 'ext4'
support, it's hard for me to give up a good stable system.
Most Linux users take upgrading the whole system for
granted and upgrade it often. Not me. I really, really need VMWare Server, and I LOATHE
VMWare Server 2. I love VMWare Server 1.x, and VMWare Server 1.x will not work on newer
kernels. It seems everybody including hobbyists have given up on trying to make patches
for VMWare 1 on current kernels, I can't find that anywhere. That, that alone, has
prevented me from upgrading my Linux installation. Nothing else, just that.
I have many partitions, many installs, many computers and don't use any
virtual systems, can't help.
And I was happy with everything I had... except sound.
Sound in Linux is just awful, isn't it? I was annoyed because I can't have two
applications output sound simultaneously, and I couldn't record my overall sound
output so I could, say, record streaming. Forget JACK, I've never been able to make
that POS work, even when I used Slackware years ago and I still can't make it work. I
am sick of booting into Windows XP just to record some occasional streaming (which works
with top-notch perfection on Windows XP, of course, it's just Linux that has such
embarrassingly appalling sound support). And I think I was having some problem with Skype
too, not sure.
Sadly sound varies from one mainboard to another, notice I did not say
from one sound chip to another, case, my Intel mainboard has low sound
quality, while my Gigabyte board the sound will blow me away both using
the same speakers, same chip, same cpu, same OS.
Googling around, I ended up at the ALSA website and
found an upgrade that was supposed to give me the ability to record sound output. That
seemed like a very good plan: instead of upgrading the entire OS and losing VMWare Server
1.x, I could just upgrade ALSA.
So I upgraded ALSA. First I followed their instructions to backup my existing modules in
case something went wrong. Then I followed their instructions to upgrade the modules.
Well, something went wrong, I cannot use Skype anymore, and their backup instructions were
wrong, so I cannot go back to my old modules. I'm stuck with the new ones. And I still
cannot record streaming sound output. So I gained nothing and lost Skype. I've been
putting up with this aggravation for months. I've also been putting up with knowing
that newer distros (including Ubuntu) support the webcam on my notebook, while Jaunty does
not. I would like to have that, too.
Enough is enough. I've decided to take another look at VMWare Server 2 and maybe suck
it up, put up with that POS so I can finally catch up with the rest of the world and
upgrade my Linux to something current. Which brings me to my latest experimenting with
Linux Mint and the Ubuntu images with Trinity pre installed.
The experience with Mint didn't go well. It let me install and run Trinity, worked
fine, but then VMWare Server needs to build kernel modules. So I needed kernel sources and
the build-essential package. Well, either/both kernel source and/or build-essential on
Mint 9 require complete removal of KDE 3. 148 packages, no less. I just felt like
strangling someone and gave up on Mint. That kind of package removal conflict is exactly
what kept me away from Debian and derivates for many years. I find that utterly stupid and
unacceptable.
So I came back to the Trinity disk images.
Remember, the one thing that makes me want to upgrade is sound support. And the webcam.
So I am testing that. The test with the Lucid-based Trinity CD image didn't go to
well. I sound awful on Skype. I hear myself really loud into my own headphones, and I
can't turn down the volume for the microphone, lest the other party won't hear me
well. And the microphone still captures too much ambient noise. It's awful.
You see, the longer support period for Lucid than Maverick doesn't mean anything to
me. Once I have moved to VMWare Server 2, as long as it works with newer kernels, I
don't mind upgrading the whole OS every few months. So I tried the Maverick-based
Trinity CD image, and... hey, Skype sounds excellent on it. Just perfect, fine, stellar.
My only complaint is that the entire OS froze at some point and I had to hard reset the
machine... Definitely not a good sign.
Summary:
- as is: I cannot record streaming or use Skype; I have to withstand the humiliation of
booting into Windows everytime I need to use Skype;
- Mint: won't let me have Trinity AND compile source;
- Lucid-based Trinity: crappy sound on Skype;
- Maverick-based Trinity: great sound on Skype, but kernel source doesn't match
running kernel, and the bastard froze on me, might be unstable.
I am also considering giving the hell up on the whole upgrade idea. Until some other
Ubuntu version comes along that will not cause me trouble. I don't know.
This is the whole story.
When it comes to Ubuntu, keep in mind that more people are using the LTS
and so it is going to get more and better bug reports and will always be
the better system, the developers don't like that, they would just as
soon put out a crappy system every 6 months and be done with it,
Shuttleworth is the one behind us getting an LTS, what system do you
think he uses?
--
Jimmy Johnson
SimplyMEPIS Alpha-1 - KDE 4.5.2 at sda9
Registered Linux User #380263
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