Since we are getting into other stuff, I am starting a new thread. Maybe it should be two threads?
On 04/21/2018 04:13 PM, William Morder wrote:
I stand at the brink of Devuan, not quite ready to take the plunge myself, yet share in your dislike of systemd and how Debian is inching into a rule of
the
few over the many. And I fear that it will soon drift into the same kind > of crap that ruined Kubuntu (and the whole Ubuntu family) for me. There are > just one or two refinements I want to make in my current system (so that I can find my way back when I get into a mess).
I'm sorry to hear you have systemd installed and you're not happy with it, if I knew what version you are using I could make a suggestion, I run all LTS versions or Debian and Ubuntu and now Devuan too. For hard drive management I use Wheezy and Jessie, for multimedia I use the latest.
For the most part my system runs pretty well, except for hanging when I try to reboot (as explained below).
What I would really like is to get VLC working right again. It was always the best all-round multimedia player, and now it crashes every time I open it. I searched round for solutions, and all I've found so far are suggestions to go back to the Wheezy repositories for older versions of VLC. Yet another user here in the Trinity group had the same problems with VLC, and he was already using Wheezy. I don't know what the problem is, but there is another great piece of software ruined.
Currently I'm looking at keeping some older systems around by rolling my own kernels. There's always options. And slicing off another partition for a new install is another option.
I run Debian Jessie, and systemd seems to cause the system to hang in particular when I reboot. I always see that systemd is doing something, and cannot shut down. I created a kind of script to kill running programs, and this has pretty much solved the problem, but I still feel that my current Debian system does not run quite as smoothly as my older systems used to run.
All in good time, though. I rarely have incidents any more which cause me to scream, pull out my hair, and call down curses upon the heads of the devs.
As for Ubuntu, they have messed up big-time and now they are on my list of things I don't want to do anymore and now Microsoft won't be lonely any more. :)
It's never lonely at the bottom.
The icon is nice, but I would recommend that all Devuan branding distinguish itself from Debian by making the spiral go round widdershins: that is, counter-clockwise. Then it would be perfect.
I hear you, it was just something I slapped together.
No problem, it was just a suggestion. If Debian do not complain, then there is no obligation to change it. But since Devuan is a fork of Debian, and thus technically "different" from it, I thought it might be wise to think ahead.
One could also say, for example, that TDE *is* really just KDE, but I believe some people out there will object. Likewise, you could say that Icecat *is* really just Iceweasel, which is really just Firefox. You could even say that *rock-n-roll* is really just *the blues* + *country music*.
I do recognize that all categories are, to some degree, arbitrary and influenced by personal biases, etc. They can also be useful, however, to indicate that (for example) Devuan has struck out in a slightly different direction, which in my opinion is truer to Debian's mission than Debian itself currently operates.
You do know that Devuan IS Debian don't you? The only changes made effect systemd and the packages needed so you can install the desktop of choice, like udev and libpam, really just a hand full of packages are changed. I'm running Devuan from Debian's Sid to Jessie, in other words Devuan Jessie, ASCII, Beowulf and Ceres and Trinity is a clean install on them all with no real problem, All around Devuan Jessie is the best!
Yes, but the only practical way for me to get Devuan is to install Debian first, then migrate to Devuan. I have tried to install from the Devuan live DVD, and it wants to overwrite my home folder, with no other option. I have a backup, of course, but this does not seem quite right.
I have found instructions for migrating from Debian to Devuan, without the necessity of reinstalling my system, so that is my plan. However, I have yet a couple loose ends to tie up, so that I can revert to my working system if necessary, when I will inevitably mess up something due to experimentation.
Also, I have other responsibilities, various little jobs, and other things that I must do, as there is a life outside computers, and a whole world waiting to be explored just outside my door; or so I hear.
Bill just take away one thing from this post: If it's not fun don't do it.
I wish somebody had told me this back when I was in grad school.
Cheers!
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263
On 04/21/2018 07:51 PM, William Morder wrote:
Since we are getting into other stuff, I am starting a new thread. Maybe it should be two threads?
And what a post it is.
On 04/21/2018 04:13 PM, William Morder wrote:
I stand at the brink of Devuan, not quite ready to take the plunge
myself, > yet
share in your dislike of systemd and how Debian is inching into a
rule of the
few over the many. And I fear that it will soon drift into the same
kind > > of
crap that ruined Kubuntu (and the whole Ubuntu family) for me. There
are > > just
one or two refinements I want to make in my current system (so that
I can
find my way back when I get into a mess).
I'm sorry to hear you have systemd installed and you're not happy with it, if I knew what version you are using I could make a suggestion, I run all LTS versions or Debian and Ubuntu and now Devuan too. For hard drive management I use Wheezy and Jessie, for multimedia I use the latest.
For the most part my system runs pretty well, except for hanging when I try to reboot (as explained below). What I would really like is to get VLC working right again. It was always the best all-round multimedia player, and now it crashes every time I open it. I searched round for solutions, and all I've found so far are suggestions to go back to the Wheezy repositories for older versions of VLC. Yet another user here in the Trinity group had the same problems with VLC, and he was already using Wheezy. I don't know what the problem is, but there is another great piece of software ruined.
Bill have you taken a look at SMPlayer? First you install MPlayer, talking about an old app, and then install SMPlayer.
Currently I'm looking at keeping some older systems around by rolling my own kernels. There's always options. And slicing off another partition for a new install is another option.
I run Debian Jessie, and systemd seems to cause the system to hang in particular when I reboot. I always see that systemd is doing something, and cannot shut down. I created a kind of script to kill running programs, and this has pretty much solved the problem, but I still feel that my current Debian system does not run quite as smoothly as my older systems used to run. All in good time, though. I rarely have incidents any more which cause me to scream, pull out my hair, and call down curses upon the heads of the devs.
Devuan is old school Linux, like Debian a few years ago and most release bugs get fixed in mins. not days or weeks.
As for Ubuntu, they have messed up big-time and now they are on my list of things I don't want to do anymore and now Microsoft won't be lonely any more. :)
It's never lonely at the bottom.
The icon is nice, but I would recommend that all Devuan branding >
distinguish > itself from Debian by making the spiral go round widdershins: that is,
counter-clockwise. Then it would be perfect.
I hear you, it was just something I slapped together.
No problem, it was just a suggestion. If Debian do not complain, then there is no obligation to change it. But since Devuan is a fork of Debian, and thus technically "different" from it, I thought it might be wise to think ahead.
One could also say, for example, that TDE *is* really just KDE, but I believe some people out there will object. Likewise, you could say that Icecat *is* really just Iceweasel, which is really just Firefox. You could even say that *rock-n-roll* is really just *the blues* + *country music*. I do recognize that all categories are, to some degree, arbitrary and influenced by personal biases, etc. They can also be useful, however, to indicate that (for example) Devuan has struck out in a slightly different direction, which in my opinion is truer to Debian's mission than Debian itself currently operates.
Well, KDE is a name, not just a trade mark and it's not KDE's desktop any longer, nor is it abandoned any longer, TDE belongs to Trinity.
As for the Debian Universal Logo, it's been used many a desktop on many kinds of Debian forked systems, because if it was not for Debian what we are doing today would other ways not be posable. But Devuan is not just a fork it's now the real Debian with a new name. Debian is now a blob, sudo windows some say and systemd is compared to the windows registry. But the logo will always be Debian and may Ian always be remembered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock
You do know that Devuan IS Debian don't you? The only changes made effect systemd and the packages needed so you can install the desktop of choice, like udev and libpam, really just a hand full of packages are changed. I'm running Devuan from Debian's Sid to Jessie, in other words Devuan Jessie/Jessie, ASCII/Stretch, Beowulf/Buster and >> Ceres/Sid and Trinity is a clean install on them all with no real problem, All around Devuan Jessie is the best!
Yes, but the only practical way for me to get Devuan is to install Debian first, then migrate to Devuan. I have tried to install from the Devuan live DVD, and it wants to overwrite my home folder, with no other option.
Please use the net install iso. https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/ Put Puppy Linux on a USB drive and you can edit your system. Puppy is made for those things, like Knoppix only Puppy is small and fast. http://www.knopper.net/index-en.html http://puppylinux.org/main/Download%20Latest%20Release.htm#xenialpup
Just use the Devuan net-install and then install tde-trinity and firmware-linux, after your first boot of course. I put everything I want to save in /home, I also save /mnt and and put fstab in home too. and delete everything else, don't forget to show hidden, also I delete system files in home and then do a no-format install.
I have a backup, of course, but this does not seem quite right. I have found instructions for migrating from Debian to Devuan, without the necessity of reinstalling my system, so that is my plan. However, I have yet a couple loose ends to tie up, so that I can revert to my working system if necessary, when I will inevitably mess up something due to experimentation.
Both udev and systemd get removed by installing Devuan packages and it's a bit tricky, but doable, I've done it a few times, Jessie is not too hard to do because it dose not have many packages that depend on systemd.
Also, I have other responsibilities, various little jobs, and other things that I must do, as there is a life outside computers, and a whole world waiting to be explored just outside my door; or so I hear.
I would love to hear about your whole world sometime. I've done many a thing besides computers, most of my life has been way outdoors exploring since I was a child I would go for long walks over hill and dale and also I have a love for live music, but from '94 on it's been pretty much computers apple and pc and many kinds of operating systems besides windows and apple there was novell and sco and I used to be a Microsoft Partner for eight years, they think I still am. From '94 to 2002 I was installing every linux distro I could download staying at the cutting edge drooling for the next beta release, by 2002 I was pretty much stuck on Debian and it's forks, I now have more than 40 systems installed over seven computers, my main testing computer has more than 20 systems.
Bill just take away one thing from this post: If it's not fun don't do it.
I wish somebody had told me this back when I was in grad school.
Cheers!
On Sunday 22 April 2018 02:11:43 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/21/2018 07:51 PM, William Morder wrote:
Since we are getting into other stuff, I am starting a new thread. Maybe it should be two threads?
And what a post it is.
I don't like to do anything halfway.
I'm sorry to hear you have systemd installed and you're not happy with it, if I knew what version you are using I could make a suggestion, I run all LTS versions or Debian and Ubuntu and now Devuan too. For hard drive management I use Wheezy and Jessie, for multimedia I use the latest.
For the most part my system runs pretty well, except for hanging when I try to reboot (as explained below). What I would really like is to get VLC working right again. It was always the best all-round multimedia player, and now it crashes every time I open it. I searched round for solutions, and all I've found so far are suggestions to go back to the Wheezy repositories for older versions of VLC. Yet another user here in the Trinity group had the same problems with VLC, and he was already using Wheezy. I don't know what the problem is, but there is another great piece of software ruined.
Bill have you taken a look at SMPlayer? First you install MPlayer, talking about an old app, and then install SMPlayer.
Yes, I've tried them ALL - pretty much every multimedia player available in Debian repos, including some of the more out-of-the way repos. I usually just download everything available (that won't break my system), and try out all of them, until I find what works best for me; then I discard the rest. So I have been through pretty much all the media players for Debian, and still want to get the old VLC back.
Currently MPlayer and KMPlayer work best for me, but these items don't have quite all the functionality of VLC.
(By the way, it is also impossible for other to buy presents for me, because I want what I want, not something that's almost the same. I tell readers this now, just to save them frustration.)
Maybe Slavek or somebody else out there could be persuaded to create vlc-trinity packages?
Devuan is old school Linux, like Debian a few years ago and most release bugs get fixed in mins. not days or weeks.
Old school is best.
The icon is nice, but I would recommend that all Devuan branding distinguish > itself from Debian by making the spiral go round widdershins: that is, counter-clockwise. Then it would be perfect.
I hear you, it was just something I slapped together.
No problem, it was just a suggestion. If Debian do not complain, then there is no obligation to change it. But since Devuan is a fork of Debian, and thus technically "different" from it, I thought it might be wise to think ahead.
One could also say, for example, that TDE *is* really just KDE, but I believe some people out there will object. Likewise, you could say that Icecat *is* really just Iceweasel, which is really just Firefox. You could even say that *rock-n-roll* is really just *the blues* + *country music*. I do recognize that all categories are, to some degree, arbitrary and influenced by personal biases, etc. They can also be useful, however, to indicate that (for example) Devuan has struck out in a slightly different direction, which in my opinion is truer to Debian's mission than Debian itself currently operates.
Well, KDE is a name, not just a trade mark and it's not KDE's desktop any longer, nor is it abandoned any longer, TDE belongs to Trinity.
As for the Debian Universal Logo, it's been used many a desktop on many kinds of Debian forked systems, because if it was not for Debian what we are doing today would other ways not be posable. But Devuan is not just a fork it's now the real Debian with a new name. Debian is now a blob, sudo windows some say and systemd is compared to the windows registry. But the logo will always be Debian and may Ian always be remembered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock
Yes, I remember hearing about it the night that he died. It still seems more than a little mysterious to me.
One could make a fairly long list of names of top geeks and leet hackers who have met what sound like untimely ends.
You do know that Devuan IS Debian don't you? The only changes made effect systemd and the packages needed so you can install the desktop of choice, like udev and libpam, really just a hand full of packages are changed. I'm running Devuan from Debian's Sid to Jessie, in other words Devuan Jessie/Jessie, ASCII/Stretch, Beowulf/Buster and >> Ceres/Sid and Trinity is a clean install on them all with no real problem, All around Devuan Jessie is the best!
Yes, but the only practical way for me to get Devuan is to install Debian first, then migrate to Devuan. I have tried to install from the Devuan live DVD, and it wants to overwrite my home folder, with no other option.
Please use the net install iso. https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/ Put Puppy Linux on a USB drive and you can edit your system. Puppy is made for those things, like Knoppix only Puppy is small and fast. http://www.knopper.net/index-en.html http://puppylinux.org/main/Download%20Latest%20Release.htm#xenialpup
Just use the Devuan net-install and then install tde-trinity and firmware-linux, after your first boot of course. I put everything I want to save in /home, I also save /mnt and and put fstab in home too. and delete everything else, don't forget to show hidden, also I delete system files in home and then do a no-format install.
Right, I am trying to digest all this for when that day comes. But I think I may use that method for simply migrating to Devuan without reinstalling everything. There is a webpage somewhere that links from the Devuan pages. I can find it again, if anybody else out there is really interested.
I have a backup, of course, but this does not seem quite right. I have found instructions for migrating from Debian to Devuan, without the necessity of reinstalling my system, so that is my plan. However, I have yet a couple loose ends to tie up, so that I can revert to my working system if necessary, when I will inevitably mess up something due to experimentation.
Both udev and systemd get removed by installing Devuan packages and it's a bit tricky, but doable, I've done it a few times, Jessie is not too hard to do because it dose not have many packages that depend on systemd.
Also, I have other responsibilities, various little jobs, and other things that I must do, as there is a life outside computers, and a whole world waiting to be explored just outside my door; or so I hear.
I would love to hear about your whole world sometime. I've done many a thing besides computers, most of my life has been way outdoors exploring since I was a child I would go for long walks over hill and dale and also I have a love for live music, but from '94 on it's been pretty much computers apple and pc and many kinds of operating systems besides windows and apple there was novell and sco and I used to be a Microsoft Partner for eight years, they think I still am. From '94 to 2002 I was installing every linux distro I could download staying at the cutting edge drooling for the next beta release, by 2002 I was pretty much stuck on Debian and it's forks, I now have more than 40 systems installed over seven computers, my main testing computer has more than 20 systems.
I used to have a spare room full of computers and parts, where I could be free to experiment and mess up everything and start over. Somewhere in the house there were always three or four other computers that were running and able to connect to the Internet when necessary. Now, however, I don't have that luxury, and am more limited in how much I can experiment.
Bill just take away one thing from this post: If it's not fun don't do it.
I wish somebody had told me this back when I was in grad school.
Cheers!
On 04/22/2018 03:26 AM, William Morder wrote:
Right, I am trying to digest all this for when that day comes. But I think I may use that method for simply migrating to Devuan without reinstalling everything. There is a webpage somewhere that links from the Devuan pages. I can find it again, if anybody else out there is really interested.
Here you go:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/migrate-to-je...
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-jessie
Cheers!
On Sunday 22 April 2018 10:33:13 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/22/2018 03:26 AM, William Morder wrote:
Right, I am trying to digest all this for when that day comes. But I think I may use that method for simply migrating to Devuan without reinstalling everything. There is a webpage somewhere that links from the Devuan pages. I can find it again, if anybody else out there is really interested.
Here you go:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/migrate-to-j essie
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-jessie
Cheers!
Yup, that's it. I saved the page itself, but not the URL. Thanks for finding it. I have a feeling there will be others meeting us in Devuan Land someday in the near future.
Bill
On 04/22/2018 10:43 AM, William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 22 April 2018 10:33:13 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/22/2018 03:26 AM, William Morder wrote:
Right, I am trying to digest all this for when that day comes. But I think I may use that method for simply migrating to Devuan without reinstalling everything. There is a webpage somewhere that links from the Devuan pages. I can find it again, if anybody else out there is really interested.
Here you go:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/migrate-to-j essie
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-jessie
Cheers!
Yup, that's it. I saved the page itself, but not the URL. Thanks for finding it. I have a feeling there will be others meeting us in Devuan Land someday in the near future.
Here's some good news, jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel. 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 is patched, tested on AMD and Intel - Variant 1,2 and 3 patched.
Cheers!
On 22 April 2018 at 12:28, Jimmy Johnson field.engineer@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/22/2018 10:43 AM, William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 22 April 2018 10:33:13 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/22/2018 03:26 AM, William Morder wrote:
Right, I am trying to digest all this for when that day comes. But I think I may use that method for simply migrating to Devuan without reinstalling everything. There is a webpage somewhere that links from the Devuan pages. I can find it again, if anybody else out there is really interested.
Here you go:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/migrate-to-j essie
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-jessie
Cheers!
Yup, that's it. I saved the page itself, but not the URL. Thanks for finding it. I have a feeling there will be others meeting us in Devuan Land someday in the near future.
Here's some good news, jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel. 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 is patched, tested on AMD and Intel - Variant 1,2 and 3 patched.
Cheers!
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263
Hello, I installed Debian to an external SSD from the most recent iso image and started to follow the migration instructions (webpage link above). BUT BEWARE ... the command root@devuan:~# apt-get purge systemd systemd-shim offers to also remove most of the Devuan setup and make it unbootable ! (no bloody way, mate) So the setup still appears to have both Devuan and systemd. I wonder what to do in this case. - R
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 20. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
On 22 April 2018 at 12:28, Jimmy Johnson field.engineer@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/22/2018 10:43 AM, William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 22 April 2018 10:33:13 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/22/2018 03:26 AM, William Morder wrote:
Right, I am trying to digest all this for when that day comes. But I think I may use that method for simply migrating to Devuan without reinstalling everything. There is a webpage somewhere that links from the Devuan pages. I can find it again, if anybody else out there is really interested.
Here you go:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/migrate-to-j essie
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-jessie
Cheers!
Yup, that's it. I saved the page itself, but not the URL. Thanks for finding it. I have a feeling there will be others meeting us in Devuan Land someday in the near future.
Here's some good news, jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel. 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 is patched, tested on AMD and Intel - Variant 1,2 and 3 patched.
Cheers!
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263
Hello, I installed Debian to an external SSD from the most recent iso image and started to follow the migration instructions (webpage link above). BUT BEWARE ... the command root@devuan:~# apt-get purge systemd systemd-shim offers to also remove most of the Devuan setup and make it unbootable ! (no bloody way, mate) So the setup still appears to have both Devuan and systemd. I wonder what to do in this case.
- R
Please follow these stept to move from debian jessie to devuan jessie:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrate...
Then you might want to move to devuan ascii :-)
Nik
On Sunday 20 May 2018 00:34:44 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 20. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
On 22 April 2018 at 12:28, Jimmy Johnson field.engineer@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/22/2018 10:43 AM, William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 22 April 2018 10:33:13 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 04/22/2018 03:26 AM, William Morder wrote:
Right, I am trying to digest all this for when that day comes. But I think I may use that method for simply migrating to Devuan without reinstalling everything. There is a webpage somewhere that links from the Devuan pages. I can find it again, if anybody else out there is really interested.
Here you go:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/migrat e-to-j essie
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-jessie
Cheers!
Yup, that's it. I saved the page itself, but not the URL. Thanks for finding it. I have a feeling there will be others meeting us in Devuan Land someday in the near future.
Here's some good news, jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel. 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 is patched, tested on AMD and Intel - Variant 1,2 and 3 patched.
Cheers!
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263
Hello, I installed Debian to an external SSD from the most recent iso image and started to follow the migration instructions (webpage link above). BUT BEWARE ... the command root@devuan:~# apt-get purge systemd systemd-shim offers to also remove most of the Devuan setup and make it unbootable ! (no bloody way, mate) So the setup still appears to have both Devuan and systemd. I wonder what to do in this case.
- R
I am not quite ready to make the leap to Devuan myself, as I have at last got my system configured to run pretty much exactly as I want; and it looks practically identical to my original KDE3 desktop from when I ran PCLinux and Kubuntu Hardy. Once I make a few more adjustments, and backup my system, then I will be ready to test those waters.
Just curious if you partitioned the external drive as you would normally do for an internal drive. You also have to make that the root partition bootable, or create a boot partition. But you probably know that already; just saying, just in case.
It was the fellow who commented above, Jimmy Johnson, who claims success in migrating from Debian to Devuan, using that method, if I recall. Other persons online have claimed to have successfully migrated Debian>Devuan using this method, but they could be bots, or dogs. JJ da man, so let's get him to talk.
Please follow these stept to move from debian jessie to devuan jessie:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrat e-to-jessie.md
Then you might want to move to devuan ascii :-)
Nik
Why ascii? Have you also migrated from Debian to Devuan? If so then we have two claimants to the prize.
Bill
Hi!
Am Montag, 21. Mai 2018 schrieb William Morder:
[...]
Please follow these stept to move from debian jessie to devuan jessie:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrat e-to-jessie.md
Then you might want to move to devuan ascii :-)
Nik
Why ascii? Have you also migrated from Debian to Devuan? If so then we have two claimants to the prize.
I haved moved to devuan as soon as it was possible :-) As plan-B I've moved my servers and some notebooks to FreeBSD. I don't think, the servers will migrate back to linux ...
Nik
On 20 May 2018 at 00:34, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp office@klepp.biz wrote:
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 20. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
On 22 April 2018 at 12:28, Jimmy Johnson field.engineer@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, I installed Debian to an external SSD from the most recent iso image and started to follow the migration instructions (webpage link above). BUT BEWARE ... the command root@devuan:~# apt-get purge systemd systemd-shim offers to also remove most of the Devuan setup and make it unbootable ! (no bloody way, mate) So the setup still appears to have both Devuan and systemd. I wonder what to do in this case.
- R
Please follow these stept to move from debian jessie to devuan jessie:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrate... Then you might want to move to devuan ascii :-)
Nik
Hello Nik, Thanks for the reply. For now, I have installed Debian 9 to an unused area of the laptop's SSD. In the migration instructions I followed most of the steps but stopped at the command "apt-get purge systemd systemd-shim". It offered in part to do the following:
The following packages will be REMOVED: caja* dbus-user-session* gvfs* gvfs-backends* gvfs-daemons* libpam-systemd* lightdm* mate-applets* mate-control-center* mate-desktop-environment* mate-desktop-environment-core* mate-panel* mate-polkit* mate-power-manager* mate-settings-daemon* network-manager* network-manager-gnome* policykit-1* synaptic* systemd* systemd-sysv* task-mate-desktop* udisks2* The following NEW packages will be installed: initscripts insserv startpar sysv-rc sysvinit-core
But I am reluctant to proceed, apprehensive of clobbering the system. What do you think? - R
Hi!
Am Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
[...] Hello Nik, Thanks for the reply. For now, I have installed Debian 9 to an unused area of the laptop's SSD. In the migration instructions I followed most of the steps but stopped at the command "apt-get purge systemd systemd-shim". It offered in part to do the following:
The following packages will be REMOVED: caja* dbus-user-session* gvfs* gvfs-backends* gvfs-daemons* libpam-systemd* lightdm* mate-applets* mate-control-center* mate-desktop-environment* mate-desktop-environment-core* mate-panel* mate-polkit* mate-power-manager* mate-settings-daemon* network-manager* network-manager-gnome* policykit-1* synaptic* systemd* systemd-sysv* task-mate-desktop* udisks2* The following NEW packages will be installed: initscripts insserv startpar sysv-rc sysvinit-core
But I am reluctant to proceed, apprehensive of clobbering the system. What do you think?
- R
Just proceed. Keep in mind, "debian 9" matches "devuan ascii", so please adjust your sources accordingly.
MATE will be gone after the next reboot, so you'll most likely end at a real console. Do a "aptitude dist-upgrade" after the next reboot and install TDE. Use "apt-show-version" to figure out which packages are a leftover from debian and need to be replaced with devuan versions. If you run into problems with consolekit, just drop a line.
For reference, I've added my sources.list
Nik
On 22 May 2018 at 02:56, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp office@klepp.biz wrote:
Hi!
Am Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
[...] Hello Nik, Thanks for the reply. For now, I have installed Debian 9 to an unused area of the laptop's SSD. In the migration instructions I followed most of the steps but stopped at the command "apt-get purge systemd systemd-shim". It offered in part to do the following:
The following packages will be REMOVED: caja* dbus-user-session* gvfs* gvfs-backends* gvfs-daemons* libpam-systemd* lightdm* mate-applets* mate-control-center* mate-desktop-environment* mate-desktop-environment-core* mate-panel* mate-polkit* mate-power-manager* mate-settings-daemon* network-manager* network-manager-gnome* policykit-1* synaptic* systemd* systemd-sysv* task-mate-desktop* udisks2* The following NEW packages will be installed: initscripts insserv startpar sysv-rc sysvinit-core
But I am reluctant to proceed, apprehensive of clobbering the system. What do you think?
- R
Just proceed. Keep in mind, "debian 9" matches "devuan ascii", so please adjust your sources accordingly.
MATE will be gone after the next reboot, so you'll most likely end at a real console. Do a "aptitude dist-upgrade" after the next reboot and install TDE. Use "apt-show-version" to figure out which packages are a leftover from debian and need to be replaced with devuan versions. If you run into problems with consolekit, just drop a line.
For reference, I've added my sources.list
Nik
Vielen Dank, aber... After purging systemd and rebooting, I was unable to get to a command line - it asked me to choose a runlevel, etc... So instead, I installed Exegnu, which is based on Devuan and Trinity. Using a wired connection I got it more or less updated to stretch and am still working on wireless connectivity. Basically it works, so I continue to peck away at little things... - R
Am Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
Vielen Dank, aber... After purging systemd and rebooting, I was unable to get to a command line - it asked me to choose a runlevel, etc... So instead, I installed Exegnu, which is based on Devuan and Trinity. Using a wired connection I got it more or less updated to stretch and am still working on wireless connectivity. Basically it works, so I continue to peck away at little things...
- R
Hi!
How did you manage to go from exelinux (devuan) to stretch (debian)?
Nik
On Wednesday 23 May 2018 05:03:44 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
Vielen Dank, aber... After purging systemd and rebooting, I was unable to get to a command line - it asked me to choose a runlevel, etc... So instead, I installed Exegnu, which is based on Devuan and Trinity. Using a wired connection I got it more or less updated to stretch and am still working on wireless connectivity. Basically it works, so I continue to peck away at little things...
- R
Hi!
How did you manage to go from exelinux (devuan) to stretch (debian)?
Nik
I believe that running apt-get purge may be premature. I was going to say that earlier, but since I haven't actually tried this out yet, it seemed better to wait with suggestions. I think you want first to change your sources.list to Devuan repos, then install the relevant sysvinit components and run apt-get -f install and maybe apt-get dist-upgrade. Only then would I run apt-get purge of anything Debian or systemd. Let apt choose what to remove before purging anything.
I tried earlier versions of Exelinux or Exegnu, and found it to be rather messy - like they were still in early development - and the same with most other Debian or Devuan systems that come prepackaged with Trinity. But if you have got a running system using it, that's a start.
I'm curious to know what version you are running, just in case I should want to take a look when I try to migrate over to Devuan myself.
Bill
Bill
On 23 May 2018 at 05:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp office@klepp.biz wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
Vielen Dank, aber... After purging systemd and rebooting, I was unable to get to a command line - it asked me to choose a runlevel, etc... So instead, I installed Exegnu, which is based on Devuan and Trinity. Using a wired connection I got it more or less updated to stretch and am still working on wireless connectivity. Basically it works, so I continue to peck away at little things...
- R
Hi!
How did you manage to go from exelinux (devuan) to stretch (debian)?
Nik
That's probably where I run into problems with upgrading. Some of the packages that show in Synaptic as upgradable don't want to upgrade - they are shown as held back. I'll work on it (maybe "stretch" has to be "ascii").
- R
Am Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
On 23 May 2018 at 05:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp office@klepp.biz wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
Vielen Dank, aber... After purging systemd and rebooting, I was unable to get to a command line - it asked me to choose a runlevel, etc... So instead, I installed Exegnu, which is based on Devuan and Trinity. Using a wired connection I got it more or less updated to stretch and am still working on wireless connectivity. Basically it works, so I continue to peck away at little things...
- R
Hi!
How did you manage to go from exelinux (devuan) to stretch (debian)?
Nik
That's probably where I run into problems with upgrading. Some of the packages that show in Synaptic as upgradable don't want to upgrade - they are shown as held back. I'll work on it (maybe "stretch" has to be "ascii").
Ok. Maybe it would be a better idea to start afresh with the devuan ascii installer? You find RC2 installers on any server listed here: https://devuan.org/get-devuan in the folder devuan_ascii_rc/installer-iso/
Nik
On 23 May 2018 at 12:09, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp office@klepp.biz wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
That's probably where I run into problems with upgrading. Some of the packages that show in Synaptic as upgradable don't want to upgrade - they are shown as held back. I'll work on it (maybe "stretch" has to be "ascii").
Ok. Maybe it would be a better idea to start afresh with the devuan ascii installer? You find RC2 installers on any server listed here: https://devuan.org/get-devuan in the folder devuan_ascii_rc/installer-iso/
Nik
Excellent idea, and I did so with no problems. Now running the latest TDE in devuan ascii. PS. Still trying to get Wifi to work. Installed the Broadcom firmware/pkgs for my card but Wicd doesn't yet see any wireless network. Will keep checking, as wireless works in my old TDE setup on a different partition. - R
On 05/21/2018 04:11 PM, Robert Peters wrote:
On 20 May 2018 at 00:34, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp office@klepp.biz wrote:
Hi!
Am Sonntag, 20. Mai 2018 schrieb Robert Peters:
On 22 April 2018 at 12:28, Jimmy Johnson field.engineer@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, I installed Debian to an external SSD from the most recent iso image and started to follow the migration instructions (webpage link above). BUT BEWARE ... the command root@devuan:~# apt-get purge systemd systemd-shim offers to also remove most of the Devuan setup and make it unbootable ! (no bloody way, mate) So the setup still appears to have both Devuan and systemd. I wonder what to do in this case.
- R
Please follow these stept to move from debian jessie to devuan jessie:
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrate... Then you might want to move to devuan ascii :-)
Nik
Hello Nik, Thanks for the reply. For now, I have installed Debian 9 to an unused area of the laptop's SSD. In the migration instructions I followed most of the steps but stopped at the command "apt-get purge systemd systemd-shim". It offered in part to do the following:
The following packages will be REMOVED: caja* dbus-user-session* gvfs* gvfs-backends* gvfs-daemons* libpam-systemd* lightdm* mate-applets* mate-control-center* mate-desktop-environment* mate-desktop-environment-core* mate-panel* mate-polkit* mate-power-manager* mate-settings-daemon* network-manager* network-manager-gnome* policykit-1* synaptic* systemd* systemd-sysv* task-mate-desktop* udisks2* The following NEW packages will be installed: initscripts insserv startpar sysv-rc sysvinit-core
But I am reluctant to proceed, apprehensive of clobbering the system. What do you think?
I did 3 merges on this laptop yesterday, Jessie, ASCII and Beowulf, I've got this stuff down, first simply install sysvinit-core and then reboot and install the devuan repos and keyring so you can update aptitude, install aptitude if you don't have it and with the devuan repos now working, aptitude update and then aptitude dist-upgrade and see how that works. Works swell for me, also I go to synaptic where I can change some package versions, I can see them in synaptic as obsolete and I change them to the devuan version and fix it all up where it's a nice clean system. Remember to not use the Debian repos when you do the dist-upgrade, it won't work having both devuan and debian. I hope this helps.
Cheers!
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