this has always been an issue for me, and it occurs to me that maybe there's an easy solution that i've just never happened upon. in kmenu i have numerous applications in menus and submenus, many of which i use only occasionally. it would be great if there were a way to have the submenus list them in alphabetical order and indeed some setting that keeps it that way as new applications are added. is there such a setting, someplace? thanks. -- dep The shortest distance between you and playing great acoustic guitar: the great new instructional DVDs from Marjorie Thompson, available at www.MarjorieThompson.com