Hello! As you all know, The Dragon has been added a "T" to the Scarf in many images at TDE Gitea, and I made a sandbox for the Trinity Desktop Project Wiki with information about the 'Tonqi' mascot, but as you've suggested, they're unsure of the name 'Tonqi'. So I'm asking you to decide on a name for TDE's mascot. P.S. The link to the article and/or sandbox is here: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/User:SleeperGuy/sandbox/Tonqi
On Monday 16 June 2025 07:16:47 Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
Hello! As you all know, The Dragon has been added a "T" to the Scarf in many images at TDE Gitea, and I made a sandbox for the Trinity Desktop Project Wiki with information about the 'Tonqi' mascot, but as you've suggested, they're unsure of the name 'Tonqi'. So I'm asking you to decide on a name for TDE's mascot. P.S. The link to the article and/or sandbox is here: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/User:SleeperGuy/sandbox/Tonqi
Dragons, I know pretty well.
They are like cats. You can give them names, but they never come when they're called, anyway, so why bother?
Bill
William Morder wrote:
On Monday 16 June 2025 07:16:47 Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
Hello! As you all know, The Dragon has been added a "T" to the Scarf in many images at TDE Gitea, and I made a sandbox for the Trinity Desktop Project Wiki with information about the 'Tonqi' mascot, but as you've suggested, they're unsure of the name 'Tonqi'. So I'm asking you to decide on a name for TDE's mascot. P.S. The link to the article and/or sandbox is here: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/User:SleeperGuy/sandbox/Tonqi Dragons, I know pretty well.
They are like cats. You can give them names, but they never come when they're called, anyway, so why bother? Bill
So why don't refer the mascot as "ThE Dragon"? (See the capitalization on letters, using a TDE pun).
Am Dienstag, 17. Juni 2025 schrieb William Morder via tde-users:
On Monday 16 June 2025 07:16:47 Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
Hello! As you all know, The Dragon has been added a "T" to the Scarf in many images at TDE Gitea, and I made a sandbox for the Trinity Desktop Project Wiki with information about the 'Tonqi' mascot, but as you've suggested, they're unsure of the name 'Tonqi'. So I'm asking you to decide on a name for TDE's mascot. P.S. The link to the article and/or sandbox is here: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/User:SleeperGuy/sandbox/Tonqi
Dragons, I know pretty well.
They are like cats. You can give them names, but they never come when they're called, anyway, so why bother?
:-)
Anno domini 06:54:27 Tue, 17 Jun 2025 -0600 (MDT) Marvin Jones via tde-users scripsit:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025, Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
So I'm asking you to decide on a name for TDE's mascot.
Tragon ? ?
Pendragon, Uther :)
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On 6/17/25 08:58, Marvin Jones via tde-users wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025, Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
So I'm asking you to decide on a name for TDE's mascot.
Tragon ? ?
That, since we're inventing a name that s/b something we're digging up from b4 the chixulub bolide arrived 66 milliion years ago, has a nice ring to it. +1.
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bonkmaykr composed on 2025-06-17 13:09 (UTC):
Maybe we should keep Konqi's old name. There's lots of stuff still keeping the K in Trinity due to old naming puns, stuff like Konquerer for example. I think it's fine as-is.
+1
On 2025/06/17 10:09 PM, bonkmaykr via tde-users wrote:
Maybe Triton? Named after Poseidon's son, as Poseidon's spear has three heads. A lot of the names I can think of don't really click, Konqi is too adorable for most of them.
Maybe we should keep Konqi's old name. There's lots of stuff still keeping the K in Trinity due to old naming puns, stuff like Konquerer for example. I think it's fine as-is.
1) if we want to move away from Dragons, then +1 for Triton. Begins with a "Tri" like Trinity, it has a "three point fork", which both relates to the 3 of KDE inheritance and the fact that Trinity is a "fork" of KDE. As far as Copilot goes, there isn't any open source project with Triton as a mascot.
2) If we want to stick with dragons, we have the original vectorized source of Konqi, so an alternative would be to "Trinify" that and find a proper name for it. Now that I think of it, why not simply call the mascot "Trinity"? :-)
Definitely -1 for "Tonqi"
Cheers Michele
Hello all,
+1 for Triton, -1 for Tonqi.
And basically -1 for all letter based welding to given name, Konqueror, KMail, and so on -- never liked this approach. I prefer semantic association.
Cheers,
jacobheinrich＠hotmail.com wrote:
Wait... We have the original model/vector for Konqi?
Yup! Here it's all: http://www.kde.com/stuff/clipart.php Hurry up, before it disappear! P.S: Only works on very old Blender versions (unfortunately). - Alejo
On Thursday 19 June 2025 02:50:50 Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
jacobheinrich＠hotmail.com wrote:
Wait... We have the original model/vector for Konqi?
Yup! Here it's all: http://www.kde.com/stuff/clipart.php Hurry up, before it disappear! P.S: Only works on very old Blender versions (unfortunately).
- Alejo
Personally, I don't like the name Tonqi at all; I also didn't like the name of his ancestor, Konqi.
While we are at it, I wonder why is his female counterpart is named Katya and not Tatya (which is also a name)? It seems to me that Tatya would be more appropriate, and involves fewer mental contortions than the Konqi > Tonqi business.
Also, this female dragon almost seems to be added as an afterthought; even though, in her description, she seems a much more developed and captivating; certainly a more interesting character than Konqi / Tonqi.
I will put it out there, then: Why not have a female mascot, and let the masculine play second fiddle for a change?
To bolster my argument in favor of a female mascot, I would like to adduce hundreds of literary proofs, going back to the Sumerians, in which the dragon, in whatever culture, is often actually female, or a pair, female first, then male. (This is a special subject of study for me, so don't ask for more proofs unless you really like reading a lot.) Popular notions of dragons, whether they actually existed, what forms they took, whether they are actually dinosaurs, etc., are skewed by the influence of fantasy and science fiction literature.
If it were up to me, I would use some other symbol entirely for our mascot: a fresh start. Besides, if I am to get even more pedantic about it: 1. Dragons have spots (sometimes conflated with scales). 2. Dragons are really part serpent, at least in origin; in many ancient languages, the terms for dragon and serpent are interchangeable. It reminds me of that Zen Buddhist saying about "putting legs on a snake" (referring to a specious argument). A dragon really is just a serpent with legs and other parts added.
Enough of that, though, or this becomes one of those specious arguments. We are stuck with dragons, I imagine, because it was part of the old KDE3 branding, so we make the best of it we can.
Back to my earlier suggestion, then: rename Katya as Tatya, maybe make her the primary mascot instead of this other unfortunately named creature. I prefer Triton over Tonqi, if it comes to that. At least with names, maybe we ought to consider a fresh start?
And one last bit, just for good measure. I believe, somewhere in those pages, I found a sorcerer or magician figure; altogether they make up a kind of "trinity" ... which I consider a lucky accident. I will look again, to make sure I did not misremember!
I would suggest that we name the magician character "Tim the Enchanter": for reasons which will be obvious to some, which may take a bit of contemplation for others, but which I believe will especially suit TDE. Maybe not the whole bit; maybe just call him Tim?
Bill
On 6/19/25 19:38, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 19 June 2025 02:50:50 Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
jacobheinrich＠hotmail.com wrote:
Wait... We have the original model/vector for Konqi?
Yup! Here it's all: http://www.kde.com/stuff/clipart.php Hurry up, before it disappear! P.S: Only works on very old Blender versions (unfortunately).
- Alejo
Works fine in bookworms gwenview
Personally, I don't like the name Tonqi at all; I also didn't like the name of his ancestor, Konqi.
+1, there has to be a better substitue, I could tolerate triad.
While we are at it, I wonder why is his female counterpart is named Katya and not Tatya (which is also a name)? It seems to me that Tatya would be more appropriate, and involves fewer mental contortions than the Konqi > Tonqi business.
Anything can be a name, it just needs to roll off the tongue ok in most
languages.
Also, this female dragon almost seems to be added as an afterthought; even though, in her description, she seems a much more developed and captivating; certainly a more interesting character than Konqi / Tonqi.
I will put it out there, then: Why not have a female mascot, and let the masculine play second fiddle for a change?
To bolster my argument in favor of a female mascot, I would like to adduce hundreds of literary proofs, going back to the Sumerians, in which the dragon, in whatever culture, is often actually female, or a pair, female first, then male. (This is a special subject of study for me, so don't ask for more proofs unless you really like reading a lot.) Popular notions of dragons, whether they actually existed, what forms they took, whether they are actually dinosaurs, etc., are skewed by the influence of fantasy and science fiction literature.
If it were up to me, I would use some other symbol entirely for our mascot: a fresh start. Besides, if I am to get even more pedantic about it: 1. Dragons have spots (sometimes conflated with scales). 2. Dragons are really part serpent, at least in origin; in many ancient languages, the terms for dragon and serpent are interchangeable. It reminds me of that Zen Buddhist saying about "putting legs on a snake" (referring to a specious argument). A dragon really is just a serpent with legs and other parts added.
Enough of that, though, or this becomes one of those specious arguments. We are stuck with dragons, I imagine, because it was part of the old KDE3 branding, so we make the best of it we can.
Back to my earlier suggestion, then: rename Katya as Tatya, maybe make her the primary mascot instead of this other unfortunately named creature. I prefer Triton over Tonqi, if it comes to that. At least with names, maybe we ought to consider a fresh start?
And one last bit, just for good measure. I believe, somewhere in those pages, I found a sorcerer or magician figure; altogether they make up a kind of "trinity" ... which I consider a lucky accident. I will look again, to make sure I did not misremember!
I would suggest that we name the magician character "Tim the Enchanter": for reasons which will be obvious to some, which may take a bit of contemplation for others, but which I believe will especially suit TDE. Maybe not the whole bit; maybe just call him Tim?
Bill
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On Friday 20 of June 2025 01:36:23 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Enough of that, though, or this becomes one of those specious arguments. We are stuck with dragons, I imagine, because it was part of the old KDE3 branding, so we make the best of it we can.
At this point, there may be a fundamental question as to whether we want to stick to the dragons (although I like dragons) or if we want to get our own face with our own mascot? I can remind you that such a topic is not the first time - in 2021 there was a proposal that I also liked very much - the polar bear Tristian - see thread:
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/devels@trinitydeskt...
I think Tristian and Triton with Katya could be good friends, and Tristian could be the main face in the future to make it obvious that the project is now an independent project that is not stuck in history. What is your opinion? Will we be brave to change?
Cheers Slávek --
On Thu June 19 2025 17:34:00 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
At this point, there may be a fundamental question as to whether we want to stick to the dragons (although I like dragons) or if we want to get our own face with our own mascot? I can remind you that such a topic is not the first time - in 2021 there was a proposal that I also liked very much - the polar bear Tristian - see thread:
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/devels@trinitydesk top.org/thread/NDDP2ZNTSVS3LBQEYPMXAVFAF4L6LNR3/#LIT7OPQRI5RKZQITFDPDOKPNYLV OSNMK
I think Tristian and Triton with Katya could be good friends, and Tristian could be the main face in the future to make it obvious that the project is now an independent project that is not stuck in history. What is your opinion? Will we be brave to change?
Polar bears and penguins work together better than dragons and penguins.
--Mike
On Thursday 19 June 2025 17:34:00 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 20 of June 2025 01:36:23 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Enough of that, though, or this becomes one of those specious arguments. We are stuck with dragons, I imagine, because it was part of the old KDE3 branding, so we make the best of it we can.
At this point, there may be a fundamental question as to whether we want to stick to the dragons (although I like dragons) or if we want to get our own face with our own mascot? I can remind you that such a topic is not the first time - in 2021 there was a proposal that I also liked very much - the polar bear Tristian - see thread:
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/devels@trinitydesk top.org/thread/NDDP2ZNTSVS3LBQEYPMXAVFAF4L6LNR3/#LIT7OPQRI5RKZQITFDPDOKPNYLV OSNMK
I think Tristian and Triton with Katya could be good friends, and Tristian could be the main face in the future to make it obvious that the project is now an independent project that is not stuck in history. What is your opinion? Will we be brave to change?
Cheers Slávek
I generally agree with the main theme here. We ought to make a clean break, a fresh start. TDE has developed beyond its KDE3 origins.
If we are to stick with the old KDE3 branding, then I still like what I proposed earlier. But I think I fresh start would be a good thing.
Bill
On 2025-06-19 07:34 PM, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
At this point, there may be a fundamental question as to whether we want to stick to the dragons (although I like dragons) or if we want to get our own face with our own mascot?
[konqi-sad.jpg] After all he has done for you?
By Wirlaburla (me) 2025, licensed CC-BY-SA.
Hello all,
On Friday 20 June 2025 02:34:00 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
I think Tristian and Triton with Katya could be good friends, and Tristian could be the main face in the future to make it obvious that the project is now an independent project that is not stuck in history. What is your opinion? Will we be brave to change?
I like it, except part "with Katya". I would prefer to drop "Katya", for me the association is too strong with actual human being (not single person, but simply women with name "Katya"). And with that there is strong and dark association with the well-known country -- I don't want to go into politics here, I am explaining how my associations work and what I prefer and why.
Cheers,
Anno domini 2025 Fri, 20 Jun 11:36:01 +0200 Maciej Pilichowski via tde-users scripsit:
Hello all,
On Friday 20 June 2025 02:34:00 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
I think Tristian and Triton with Katya could be good friends, and Tristian could be the main face in the future to make it obvious that the project is now an independent project that is not stuck in history. What is your opinion? Will we be brave to change?
I like it, except part "with Katya". I would prefer to drop "Katya", for me the association is too strong with actual human being (not single person, but simply women with name "Katya"). And with that there is strong and dark association with the well-known country -- I don't want to go into politics here, I am explaining how my associations work and what I prefer and why.
Katya ... Germany?
Cheers,
I've been reading all your answers, and this is my opinion:
Hello all, +1 for Triton, -1 for Tonqi. And basically -1 for all letter based welding to given name, Konqueror, KMail, and so on -- never liked this approach. I prefer semantic association. Cheers,
I think you're right, also "Tonqi" was a really mistake! That's because I didn't have any name on my mind.
Hello all, On Friday 20 June 2025 02:34:00 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
I think Tristian and Triton with Katya could be good friends, and Tristian could be the main face in the future to make it obvious that the project is now an independent project that is not stuck in history. What is your opinion? Will we be brave to change? I like it, except part "with Katya". I would prefer to drop "Katya",
for me the association is too strong with actual human being (not single person, but simply women with name "Katya"). And with that there is strong and dark association with the well-known country -- I don't want to go into politics here, I am explaining how my associations work and what I prefer and why. Cheers,
I agree, Katya wasn't so much a good option. I didn't looked if there was anything controversial on the background (like Pokémon or Mario criticism, that they received on 90's). - Alejo
On Friday 20 of June 2025 14:20:59 Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
I've been reading all your answers, and this is my opinion:
Hello all, +1 for Triton, -1 for Tonqi. And basically -1 for all letter based welding to given name, Konqueror, KMail, and so on -- never liked this approach. I prefer semantic association. Cheers,
I think you're right, also "Tonqi" was a really mistake! That's because I didn't have any name on my mind.
Hello all,
On Friday 20 June 2025 02:34:00 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
I think Tristian and Triton with Katya could be good friends, and Tristian could be the main face in the future to make it obvious that the project is now an independent project that is not stuck in history. What is your opinion? Will we be brave to change? I like it, except part "with Katya". I would prefer to drop "Katya",
for me the association is too strong with actual human being (not single person, but simply women with name "Katya"). And with that there is strong and dark association with the well-known country -- I don't want to go into politics here, I am explaining how my associations work and what I prefer and why. Cheers,
I agree, Katya wasn't so much a good option. I didn't looked if there was anything controversial on the background (like Pokémon or Mario criticism, that they received on 90's). - Alejo ____________________________________________________
What about the name Tonya?
Cheers Slávek --
Slávek Banko wrote:
On Friday 20 of June 2025 14:20:59 Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
I've been reading all your answers, and this is my opinion: Hello all, +1 for Triton, -1 for Tonqi. And basically -1 for all letter based welding to given name, Konqueror, KMail, and so on -- never liked this approach. I prefer semantic association. Cheers, I think you're right, also "Tonqi" was a really mistake! That's because I didn't have any name on my mind. Hello all, On Friday 20 June 2025 02:34:00 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote: I think Tristian and Triton with Katya could be good friends, and Tristian could be the main face in the future to make it obvious that the project is now an independent project that is not stuck in history. What is your opinion? Will we be brave to change? I like it, except part "with Katya". I would prefer to drop "Katya", for me the association is too strong with actual human being (not single person, but simply women with name "Katya"). And with that there is strong and dark association with the well-known country -- I don't want to go into politics here, I am explaining how my associations work and what I prefer and why. Cheers, I agree, Katya wasn't so much a good option. I didn't looked if there was anything controversial on the background (like Pokémon or Mario criticism, that they received on 90's). - Alejo ____________________________________________________ What about the name Tonya?
Cheers Slávek --
+1 for Tonya
Anno domini 2025 Fri, 20 Jun 14:49:09 +0200 Slávek Banko via tde-users scripsit:
On Friday 20 of June 2025 14:20:59 Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
I've been reading all your answers, and this is my opinion:
Hello all, +1 for Triton, -1 for Tonqi. And basically -1 for all letter based welding to given name, Konqueror, KMail, and so on -- never liked this approach. I prefer semantic association. Cheers,
I think you're right, also "Tonqi" was a really mistake! That's because I didn't have any name on my mind.
Hello all,
On Friday 20 June 2025 02:34:00 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
I think Tristian and Triton with Katya could be good friends, and Tristian could be the main face in the future to make it obvious that the project is now an independent project that is not stuck in history. What is your opinion? Will we be brave to change? I like it, except part "with Katya". I would prefer to drop "Katya",
for me the association is too strong with actual human being (not single person, but simply women with name "Katya"). And with that there is strong and dark association with the well-known country -- I don't want to go into politics here, I am explaining how my associations work and what I prefer and why. Cheers,
I agree, Katya wasn't so much a good option. I didn't looked if there was anything controversial on the background (like Pokémon or Mario criticism, that they received on 90's). - Alejo ____________________________________________________
What about the name Tonya?
+1
Cheers Slávek
Hello all,
On Friday 20 June 2025 14:49:09 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
What about the name Tonya?
Nice! Not only it sounds much better than Katya, but the name matches the rest (Tristian and Triton), i.e. it sounds like a family :-).
Cheers,
Maciej Pilichowski composed on 2025-06-21 11:54 (UTC+0200):
Slávek Banko wrote:
What about the name Tonya?
Nice! Not only it sounds much better than Katya, but the name matches the rest (Tristian and Triton), i.e. it sounds like a family :-).
The only Tonya that ever touched my life was a smoking, drinking, foul-mouthed, drug user. Tonya merely starts with a T. Something that starts with Tri- would be much better, such as Trina, Trija, Tria, Triya, Trisa, Trila, Trinian, Trianna, Tricot, Trico, Tribot, Tribeau, Tribo, etc., while my preference remains Konqi.
Dne so 21. června 2025 16:07:55 Felix Miata via tde-users napsal(a):
Maciej Pilichowski composed on 2025-06-21 11:54 (UTC+0200):
Slávek Banko wrote:
What about the name Tonya?
Nice! Not only it sounds much better than Katya, but the name matches the rest (Tristian and Triton), i.e. it sounds like a family :-).
The only Tonya that ever touched my life was a smoking, drinking, foul-mouthed, drug user. Tonya merely starts with a T. Something that starts with Tri- would be much better, such as Trina, Trija, Tria, Triya, Trisa, Trila, Trinian, Trianna, Tricot, Trico, Tribot, Tribeau, Tribo, etc., while my preference remains Konqi.
Trianna sounds good to me. And I assume no one can have any negative personal experience with her?
Cheers Slávek --
On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 02:49:09PM +0200, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
What about the name Tonya?
Why would we name our mascot after a disgraced ex-figure skating champion who tried to have her rival's knee-caps broken?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonya_Harding
Tonya is such a low-class name in English. Even aside from Tonya Harding, Tonya is the sort of name you expect that white trash give their daughters because they don't know how to spell Tanya.
(Apologies to any Tonyas here. I'm just the messenger.)
Steve
On 2025/06/19 06:50 PM, Alejo Fernandez via tde-users wrote:
jacobheinrich＠hotmail.com wrote:
Wait... We have the original model/vector for Konqi?
Yup! Here it's all: http://www.kde.com/stuff/clipart.php Hurry up, before it disappear! P.S: Only works on very old Blender versions (unfortunately).
- Alejo
I was talking about the .3ds version: https://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/kde/devel/konqi_sdk.tar.bz2 Cheers Michele
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