Hello,
By installing something like Ubuntu 14.04 I can easily have a wifi connection and even install some Trinity apps. This is by using the most recent repos (Raring, 13.04) as instructed in www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBinaryInstallation. However, when the core TDE packages are selected (using Synaptic), they appear as broken - missing several dependencies.
OTOH, if I try to use Ubuntu 13.04, with which I hope the Raring repos are compatible, then I can't get a wifi connection - my machine (Lenovo Thinkpad T440s) is too recent, and I have already gone thru the hassle of installing firmware, drivers, etc. to no avail. It's the same problem with Exe Gnu/Linux or a live CD Image for Ubuntu with Trinity preinstalled.
Any ideas? For now I can use Windows or a distro without TDE. Also I think of selling the Thinkpad and using a less demanding (and expensive) machine.
Robert
On Tuesday 06 May 2014 16:23:00 Robert Peters wrote:
Hello,
By installing something like Ubuntu 14.04 I can easily have a wifi connection and even install some Trinity apps. This is by using the most recent repos (Raring, 13.04) as instructed in www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBinaryInstallation . However, when the core TDE packages are selected (using Synaptic), they appear as broken - missing several dependencies.
OTOH, if I try to use Ubuntu 13.04, with which I hope the Raring repos are compatible, then I can't get a wifi connection - my machine (Lenovo Thinkpad T440s) is too recent, and I have already gone thru the hassle of installing firmware, drivers, etc. to no avail. It's the same problem with Exe Gnu/Linux or a live CD Image for Ubuntu with Trinity preinstalled.
Any ideas? For now I can use Windows or a distro without TDE. Also I think of selling the Thinkpad and using a less demanding (and expensive) machine.
Have you tried Alexandre's new PCLinuxOS TDE remaster? Even I think that it is several leagues better than Windows. ;-) Just not as good as Debian. ;-)
Lisi
On Tuesday 06 May 2014 07:23:00 you wrote:
Hello,
By installing something like Ubuntu 14.04 I can easily have a wifi connection and even install some Trinity apps. This is by using the most recent repos (Raring, 13.04) as instructed in www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBinaryInstal lation. However, when the core TDE packages are selected (using Synaptic), they appear as broken - missing several dependencies.
OTOH, if I try to use Ubuntu 13.04, with which I hope the Raring repos are compatible, then I can't get a wifi connection - my machine (Lenovo Thinkpad T440s) is too recent, and I have already gone thru the hassle of installing firmware, drivers, etc. to no avail. It's the same problem with Exe Gnu/Linux or a live CD Image for Ubuntu with Trinity preinstalled.
Any ideas? For now I can use Windows or a distro without TDE. Also I think of selling the Thinkpad and using a less demanding (and expensive) machine.
Robert
That wifi card probably needs the driver in the newer kernel provided by 14.04. Switching desktop environments isn't the issue. I do not know what versions of Ubuntu work with TDE..one option is a backported kernel, if available, for the Ubuntu that does work with TDE.
On Tuesday 06 of May 2014 17:23:00 Robert Peters wrote:
Hello,
By installing something like Ubuntu 14.04 I can easily have a wifi connection and even install some Trinity apps. This is by using the most recent repos (Raring, 13.04) as instructed in www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBinaryInstallation . However, when the core TDE packages are selected (using Synaptic), they appear as broken - missing several dependencies.
OTOH, if I try to use Ubuntu 13.04, with which I hope the Raring repos are compatible, then I can't get a wifi connection - my machine (Lenovo Thinkpad T440s) is too recent, and I have already gone thru the hassle of installing firmware, drivers, etc. to no avail. It's the same problem with Exe Gnu/Linux or a live CD Image for Ubuntu with Trinity preinstalled.
Any ideas? For now I can use Windows or a distro without TDE. Also I think of selling the Thinkpad and using a less demanding (and expensive) machine.
Robert
If you want to use Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty), you can not use TDE 3.5.13.2, but you need to install preliminary R14.0.0 - either nightly-builds or preliminary stable-builds.
Nightly-builds: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build-dep... trusty main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/ub... trusty main
Preliminary stable-buidls (alternative apt source): deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb trusty deps-r14 main-r14
On 6 May 2014 18:53, Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz wrote:
On Tuesday 06 of May 2014 17:23:00 Robert Peters wrote:
<snip>
If you want to use Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty), you can not use TDE 3.5.13.2, but you need to install preliminary R14.0.0 - either nightly-builds or preliminary stable-builds.
Nightly-builds: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build-dep... trusty main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/ub... trusty main
Preliminary stable-buidls (alternative apt source): deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb trusty deps-r14 main-r14
-- Slavek
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
On 6 May 2014 20:32, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 May 2014 18:53, Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz wrote:
On Tuesday 06 of May 2014 17:23:00 Robert Peters wrote:
<snip> > > If you want to use Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty), you can not use TDE 3.5.13.2, but > you need to install preliminary R14.0.0 - either nightly-builds or > preliminary stable-builds. > > Nightly-builds: > deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build-dependencies/ubuntu trusty main > deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/ubuntu trusty main > > Preliminary stable-buidls (alternative apt source): > deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb trusty deps-r14 main-r14 > > -- > Slavek
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
BTW, what authentication to use for http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb ?
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
It worked: now have TDE 14. So far looks like everything is running well - Robert
On Tuesday 06 May 2014 13:46:36 you wrote:
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote:
<snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu.
Glad it is working, I have been using the nightlies on a couple of computers, my main laptop, for quite awhile , wworks great also.
I recommend using Debian, installing 'only' the base system, then adding TDE. I like only having the necessary software installed, no need for multiple DE when using TDE.
That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
It worked: now have TDE 14. So far looks like everything is running well - Robert
On 6 May 2014 23:56, Greg Madden gomadtroll@gci.net wrote:
On Tuesday 06 May 2014 13:46:36 you wrote:
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote:
<snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu.
Glad it is working, I have been using the nightlies on a couple of computers, my main laptop, for quite awhile , wworks great also.
I recommend using Debian, installing 'only' the base system, then adding TDE. I like only having the necessary software installed, no need for multiple DE when using TDE.
<snip>
-- Peace, Greg
Thanks. I want to do that but first will check for having wifi with a Debian base system.
Robert
On Tuesday 06 May 2014 23:27:39 Robert Peters wrote:
Thanks. I want to do that but first will check for having wifi with a Debian base system.
I have wifi, Debian and TDE and they are great together. But it is Wheezy and 3.5.13.2, and the netbook is an Acer Aspire One, so not new.
If there are wifi drivers for Linux, and it would appear that there are, you should have no real problems. (I have installed Debian and TDE on newer boxen - but not with wi-fi.)
Lisi
On Tuesday 06 May 2014 14:27:39 you wrote:
On 6 May 2014 23:56, Greg Madden gomadtroll@gci.net wrote:
On Tuesday 06 May 2014 13:46:36 you wrote:
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu.
Glad it is working, I have been using the nightlies on a couple of computers, my main laptop, for quite awhile , wworks great also.
I recommend using Debian, installing 'only' the base system, then adding TDE. I like only having the necessary software installed, no need for multiple DE when using TDE.
<snip>
-- Peace, Greg
Thanks. I want to do that but first will check for having wifi with a Debian base system.
Robert
The Debian installer can do wireless, if the kernel supports your card. The only issue I have had was the authentication protocols and procedure if using a secured/locked wireless router and certain (older) cards.
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 07:46:36 Robert Peters wrote:
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote:
<snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
It worked: now have TDE 14. So far looks like everything is running well - Robert
G'day Robert, After your report of success, I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) on my "trusty" Acer netbook. Then added Slavek's preliminary stable-build repo to the sources.list and added the apt-key. "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" went fine but when I did "apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" I immediately get over 70 errors/warnings. The show-stopper seems to be "The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: pnm2ppa but it is not installable Recommends: tdeio-apt-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: tde-guidance-powermanager-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: adept-trinity but it is not going to be installed" and so on for pages.
Obviously I've done something stupid as there is no "pnm2ppa" package, suggestions please. Glen
PS. Just tried the nightly-build repos with the same result - so I've missed something essential. G. :-(
Dne st 7. května 2014 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 07:46:36 Robert Peters wrote:
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote:
<snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
It worked: now have TDE 14. So far looks like everything is running well - Robert
G'day Robert, After your report of success, I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) on my "trusty" Acer netbook. Then added Slavek's preliminary stable-build repo to the sources.list and added the apt-key. "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" went fine but when I did "apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" I immediately get over 70 errors/warnings. The show-stopper seems to be "The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: pnm2ppa but it is not installable Recommends: tdeio-apt-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: tde-guidance-powermanager-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: adept-trinity but it is not going to be installed" and so on for pages.
Obviously I've done something stupid as there is no "pnm2ppa" package, suggestions please. Glen
PS. Just tried the nightly-build repos with the same result - so I've missed something essential. G. :-(
You're enabled Ubuntu restricted, universe and multiverse sources?
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 21:11:07 Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne st 7. května 2014 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 07:46:36 Robert Peters wrote:
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
It worked: now have TDE 14. So far looks like everything is running well - Robert
G'day Robert, After your report of success, I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) on my "trusty" Acer netbook. Then added Slavek's preliminary stable-build repo to the sources.list and added the apt-key. "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" went fine but when I did "apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" I immediately get over 70 errors/warnings. The show-stopper seems to be "The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: pnm2ppa but it is not installable Recommends: tdeio-apt-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: tde-guidance-powermanager-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: adept-trinity but it is not going to be installed" and so on for pages.
Obviously I've done something stupid as there is no "pnm2ppa" package, suggestions please. Glen
PS. Just tried the nightly-build repos with the same result - so I've missed something essential. G. :-(
You're enabled Ubuntu restricted, universe and multiverse sources?
Thanks Slávek, but the only lines commented out in sources.list are the first 2 lines pointing to the cdrom. I will try again after I've had a sleep. G.
Dne st 7. května 2014 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 07:46:36 Robert Peters wrote:
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote:
<snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
It worked: now have TDE 14. So far looks like everything is running well - Robert
G'day Robert, After your report of success, I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) on my "trusty" Acer netbook. Then added Slavek's preliminary stable-build repo to the sources.list and added the apt-key. "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" went fine but when I did "apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" I immediately get over 70 errors/warnings. The show-stopper seems to be "The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: pnm2ppa but it is not installable Recommends: tdeio-apt-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: tde-guidance-powermanager-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: adept-trinity but it is not going to be installed" and so on for pages.
Obviously I've done something stupid as there is no "pnm2ppa" package, suggestions please. Glen
PS. Just tried the nightly-build repos with the same result - so I've missed something essential. G. :-(
Aha, I see it, now I tried it on my test machine, binary package pnm2ppa is now newly named printer-driver-pnm2ppa. I'll make an update soon.
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 21:45:47 Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne st 7. května 2014 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 07:46:36 Robert Peters wrote:
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
It worked: now have TDE 14. So far looks like everything is running well - Robert
G'day Robert, After your report of success, I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) on my "trusty" Acer netbook. Then added Slavek's preliminary stable-build repo to the sources.list and added the apt-key. "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" went fine but when I did "apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" I immediately get over 70 errors/warnings. The show-stopper seems to be "The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: pnm2ppa but it is not installable Recommends: tdeio-apt-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: tde-guidance-powermanager-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: adept-trinity but it is not going to be installed" and so on for pages.
Obviously I've done something stupid as there is no "pnm2ppa" package, suggestions please. Glen
PS. Just tried the nightly-build repos with the same result - so I've missed something essential. G. :-(
Aha, I see it, now I tried it on my test machine, binary package pnm2ppa is now newly named printer-driver-pnm2ppa. I'll make an update soon.
Both Nightly-builds and your Preliminary stable-builds? Now I'm definitely off to bed. G.
Dne st 7. května 2014 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 21:45:47 Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne st 7. května 2014 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 07:46:36 Robert Peters wrote:
On 6 May 2014 22:16, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
It worked: now have TDE 14. So far looks like everything is running well - Robert
G'day Robert, After your report of success, I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) on my "trusty" Acer netbook. Then added Slavek's preliminary stable-build repo to the sources.list and added the apt-key. "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" went fine but when I did "apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" I immediately get over 70 errors/warnings. The show-stopper seems to be "The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: pnm2ppa but it is not installable Recommends: tdeio-apt-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: tde-guidance-powermanager-trinity but it is not going to be installed Recommends: adept-trinity but it is not going to be installed" and so on for pages.
Obviously I've done something stupid as there is no "pnm2ppa" package, suggestions please. Glen
PS. Just tried the nightly-build repos with the same result - so I've missed something essential. G. :-(
Aha, I see it, now I tried it on my test machine, binary package pnm2ppa is now newly named printer-driver-pnm2ppa. I'll make an update soon.
Both Nightly-builds and your Preliminary stable-builds? Now I'm definitely off to bed. G.
The procedure is as follows: First, I make the changes in GIT, then I'll make the update packages for my preliminary stable-builds. And independently automated system on build-farm will update packages in nightly-builds.
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 22:00:13 Slávek Banko wrote: <snip>
The procedure is as follows: First, I make the changes in GIT, then I'll make the update packages for my preliminary stable-builds. And independently automated system on build-farm will update packages in nightly-builds.
Thanks Slávek, All broken printer-related dependencies seem fixed now, not only your preliminary stable-builds but also the nightly-builds. Should be able to do some serious testing now. Glen
On 7 May 2014 13:06, Glen Cunningham glen@exemail.com.au wrote:
G'day Robert, After your report of success, I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) on my "trusty" Acer netbook. Then added Slavek's preliminary stable-build repo to the sources.list and added the apt-key. "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" went fine but when I did "apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" I immediately get over 70 errors/warnings....
No worries mate, install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity first, it should be okay. You don't need all the stuff that's in kubuntu-desktop-trinity. Just note the ones that are important or interesting and install them separately - using Synaptic makes it easier.
Robert
On Thursday 08 May 2014 01:16:50 Robert Peters wrote:
On 7 May 2014 13:06, Glen Cunningham glen@exemail.com.au wrote:
G'day Robert, After your report of success, I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) on my "trusty" Acer netbook. Then added Slavek's preliminary stable-build repo to the sources.list and added the apt-key. "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" went fine but when I did "apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-desktop-trinity" I immediately get over 70 errors/warnings....
No worries mate, install kubuntu-default-settings-trinity first, it should be okay. You don't need all the stuff that's in kubuntu-desktop-trinity. Just note the ones that are important or interesting and install them separately - using Synaptic makes it easier.
Robert
Thanks, Robert. Did as you suggested - now have a working _Trinity on Trusty_, working well enough for testing anyway. Now waiting for Slávek's repo mods so I can do it all again "properly". Glen
On Tuesday 06 of May 2014 22:16:12 Robert Peters wrote:
On 6 May 2014 20:32, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 May 2014 18:53, Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz wrote:
On Tuesday 06 of May 2014 17:23:00 Robert Peters wrote:
<snip>
If you want to use Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty), you can not use TDE 3.5.13.2, but you need to install preliminary R14.0.0 - either nightly-builds or preliminary stable-builds.
Nightly-builds: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build -dependencies/ubuntu trusty main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build s/ubuntu trusty main
Preliminary stable-buidls (alternative apt source): deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb trusty deps-r14 main-r14
-- Slavek
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
BTW, what authentication to use for http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb ?
apt-key adv --keyserver pks.gpg.cz --recv-keys ED1F4884
Hi Robert
There is a odd behavior with thinkpads. When installing, the wifi is seen as the first nic (eth0 where in reality it eth1) and eth0 as the second. This is then corrected once the install is complete. HOWEVER, the modprobe.conf, the mods are still reversed. For example.
In this example, eth1 is wlan0. However, eth0 is give eth1's module. alias eth0 iwl3945 alias eth1 e1000e
In this example, the modules are in the correct place. alias eth0 e1000e alias eth1 iwl3945
This happens depending on how the kernel is compiled, as far as I can tell. I just make the corrections manually. Then reboot and all is well. Check you modprobe.conf file.
I hope this helps,
Kate
On 5/6/14, Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz wrote:
On Tuesday 06 of May 2014 22:16:12 Robert Peters wrote:
On 6 May 2014 20:32, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 May 2014 18:53, Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz wrote:
On Tuesday 06 of May 2014 17:23:00 Robert Peters wrote:
<snip>
If you want to use Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty), you can not use TDE 3.5.13.2, but you need to install preliminary R14.0.0 - either nightly-builds or preliminary stable-builds.
Nightly-builds: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build -dependencies/ubuntu trusty main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build s/ubuntu trusty main
Preliminary stable-buidls (alternative apt source): deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb trusty deps-r14 main-r14
-- Slavek
Thanks to all for the replies. I will try Slavek's idea of using a preliminary stable-build. Ultimately I aim to reinstate TDE based on Debian without any Ubuntu. That setup using Exe Gnu/Linux worked well on my old laptop.
Robert
BTW, what authentication to use for http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb ?
apt-key adv --keyserver pks.gpg.cz --recv-keys ED1F4884
-- Slavek
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