27 Jun
2018
27 Jun
'18
5:20 p.m.
Just got a Brother printer-scanner-copier-fax combo,
model is MFC-495CW, so
if
anybody has comments or recommendations from
experience, I am all ears.
Here is my model:
https://support.brother.com/g/b/spec.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfc495c…
I don't have a lot of money to spend (much less to waste) on printer
cartridges, for example. (A couple years ago I bought a 12-pack of HP
cartridges for my old HP 825c, but before I could actually use them, the ink
dried up! I don't want to go through that again.)
I managed to download the drivers for Debian, the product manual, researched
everything I could think of, but now it comes to spending my last few bucks
(literally) on the second-most expensive substance* known in human history,
so I hesitate before using my debit card.
[* laser toner refills are more expensive than refills for inkjet]
Brother, of course, "strongly recommends" not to use third-party, or
refillable cartridges, etc., but I don't have a warranty, anyway, as I got
this thing used.
Has anybody else tried the third-party replacement cartridges or
refillables?
I'll have more questions about set-up, I'm sure, once I get my cartridges.
Everything seems to work fine, except for no ink.
Bill
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My experience
with brother is they are well supported under linux and
print/scan well. HOWEVER (insert shocking and dramatic music here), they go
through inkjet cartridges like mad.
A laser printer is always better because, whilst the cartridges are more
expensive, they last longer and print more. I have an HP 1320N printer. I
bought 2 ink cartridges 7 years ago. The first one lasted 5 years. The second
one is on it's 2nd year. I print at least every other day.
I also have a Brother mfc-j615w. Another network printer. It's great, HOWEVER
(insert even more shocking and dramatic music here) the new ink carts only
lasted a week. They sell them cheap in bulk but I would have to buy about
about $100 worth to last a few months.
I will never buy an inkjet (most inkjets I have were $1 purchased at yard
sales or were given to me). I would rather save up and get a laser jet.
Better overall investment.
I don't know if that helps but that is my experience.
(Kate hops off her soapbox, bows, turns and disappears into the mysterious
fog)
27 Jun
27 Jun
5:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
On Wednesday 27 June 2018 10:20:01 Kate Draven wrote:
Well, I don't have the luxury of shopping round for a laser printer. I got
this one free, although I see that this printer model still retains for as
much as $350 on Amazon. And it looks new, seems to run well, as far as I can
tell without being able to print out yet.
Anyway, I only need my printer to be good enough to print out MSS for
revision, and to do mock-up pages for layout; they do not need to be final
print quality, as it is only for my own use.
I see refillable cartridges and refill bottles that will run me about $40. I
hear that they work, but that some of them leak, etc.
Bill
Just got a
Brother printer-scanner-copier-fax combo, model is MFC-495CW,
so
if
anybody has comments or recommendations from
experience, I am all ears.
Here is my model:
https://support.brother.com/g/b/spec.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfc495c…
I don't have a lot of money to spend (much less to waste) on printer
cartridges, for example. (A couple years ago I bought a 12-pack of HP
cartridges for my old HP 825c, but before I could actually use them, the
ink dried up! I don't want to go through that again.)
I managed to download the drivers for Debian, the product manual,
researched everything I could think of, but now it comes to spending my
last few bucks (literally) on the second-most expensive substance* known
in human history, so I hesitate before using my debit card.
[* laser toner refills are more expensive than refills for inkjet]
Brother, of course, "strongly recommends" not to use third-party, or
refillable cartridges, etc., but I don't have a warranty, anyway, as I
got this thing used.
Has anybody else tried the third-party replacement cartridges or
refillables?
I'll have more questions about set-up,
I'm sure, once I get my
cartridges. Everything seems to work fine, except for no ink.
Bill
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My experience with brother is they are well supported under linux and
print/scan well. HOWEVER (insert shocking and dramatic music here), they go
through inkjet cartridges like mad.
A laser printer is always better because, whilst the cartridges are more
expensive, they last longer and print more. I have an HP 1320N printer. I
bought 2 ink cartridges 7 years ago. The first one lasted 5 years. The
second one is on it's 2nd year. I print at least every other day.
I also have a Brother mfc-j615w. Another network printer. It's great,
HOWEVER (insert even more shocking and dramatic music here) the new ink
carts only lasted a week. They sell them cheap in bulk but I would have to
buy about about $100 worth to last a few months.
I will never buy an inkjet (most inkjets I have were $1 purchased at yard
sales or were given to me). I would rather save up and get a laser jet.
Better overall investment.
I don't know if that helps but that is my experience.
(Kate hops off her soapbox, bows, turns and disappears into the mysterious
fog)
5:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
On Wed June 27 2018 10:20:01 Kate Draven wrote:
A laser printer is always better because, whilst the
cartridges are more
expensive, they last longer and print more. I have an HP 1320N printer. I
bought 2 ink cartridges 7 years ago. The first one lasted 5 years. The
second one is on it's 2nd year. I print at least every other day.
Absolutely. Manufacturers basically give away inkjet printers so
that they can hook you on the cartridges.
We have a HP LaserJet Pro MFP M426fdw which scans, faxes, and prints;
works fine with both our Linux boxen and our Android phones; and like
most lasers is very economical. (But don't try to run a laser on dodgy
wiring - when they start printing they use a brief period of heavy
current draw to heat the fuser.)
There are a lot of LaserJet models and I've only used a few over the
years but I've always been happy with them. Nevertheless as always
check several credible reviews before buying.
--Mike
5:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
On Wednesday 27 June 2018 10:44:14 Mike Bird wrote:
On Wed June 27 2018 10:20:01 Kate Draven wrote:
If everybody on the Trinity users mailing list will send me $20 each, then I
will run out and buy myself a laser printer like you all advise, thanks!
(Just kidding, folks.)
I don't have the option to spend money like real people. So I guess I will
just have to take my chances, leaks or no, and hope for the best. I only need
this thing to work for maybe a year or so, while I finish work on a couple of
books, and do layout of some mock-up pages.
When I suddenly strike it rich, then I will go out and buy me one of those
fancy laser printers.
Bill
A laser printer is always better because, whilst
the cartridges are more
expensive, they last longer and print more. I have an HP 1320N printer. I
bought 2 ink cartridges 7 years ago. The first one lasted 5 years. The
second one is on it's 2nd year. I print at least every other day.
Absolutely. Manufacturers basically give away inkjet printers so
that they can hook you on the cartridges.
We have a HP LaserJet Pro MFP M426fdw which scans, faxes, and prints;
works fine with both our Linux boxen and our Android phones; and like
most lasers is very economical. (But don't try to run a laser on dodgy
wiring - when they start printing they use a brief period of heavy
current draw to heat the fuser.)
There are a lot of LaserJet models and I've only used a few over the
years but I've always been happy with them. Nevertheless as always
check several credible reviews before buying.
--Mike
6:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
On Wed June 27 2018 10:49:00 William Morder wrote:
If everybody on the Trinity users mailing list will
send me $20 each, then
I will run out and buy myself a laser printer like you all advise, thanks!
(Just kidding, folks.)
First laser listing from searching local CraigsList. $39. About the same
price as a bottle of dodgy ink. Numerous similar listings at similar prices.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/d/dell-1130n-monochrome-laser/661638…
Caveat: I have not researched this model for Linux compatibility.
Caveat: At some stage you'll have to spend $100 or so on a toner cartridge.
--Mike
6:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
On Wednesday 27 June 2018 11:43:09 Mike Bird wrote:
On Wed June 27 2018 10:49:00 William Morder wrote:
Thanks, I will do a little more research. (Just when I've already spent most
of the past couple weeks doing research...!) I don't suppose there are
third-party toner cartridges out there? cheaper than $100?
Bill
If everybody on the Trinity users mailing list
will send me $20 each,
then I will run out and buy myself a laser printer like you all advise,
thanks! (Just kidding, folks.)
First laser listing from searching local CraigsList. $39. About the same
price as a bottle of dodgy ink. Numerous similar listings at similar
prices.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/d/dell-1130n-monochrome-laser/661638
7861.html
Caveat: I have not researched this model for Linux compatibility.
Caveat: At some stage you'll have to spend $100 or so on a toner
cartridge.
--Mike
6:57 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
On 06/27/2018 11:46 AM, William Morder wrote:
On Wednesday 27 June 2018 11:43:09 Mike Bird wrote:
> Caveat: I have not researched this model for Linux compatibility.
All Dell printers I've seen are Windoze-only. For Linux, HP or Brother is
the best bet, and even then I'd check compatibility just to be sure. I've
only ever run into one HP that's flaky with Linux; unfortunately it belongs
to a friend so I get to keep it running for free. :)
Thanks, I will do a little more research. (Just when
I've already spent most
of the past couple weeks doing research...!) I don't suppose there are
third-party toner cartridges out there? cheaper than $100?
Best deal for toners is usually on Ebay. For older model printers, there's
always someone(s) clearing out old slow-moving stock for cheap. Even new
genuine OEM toners can usually be had pretty cheap. No worries about age,
as you have with inkjet ink. If you buy refills, stick to major names, not
no-name stuff.
7:16 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
On Wednesday 27 June 2018 11:57:36 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 06/27/2018 11:46 AM, William Morder wrote:
I will plan to buy a laser printer somehow in the future. For the present, my
options are limited (and I haven't explained EVERYTHING, as I doubt everybody
wants to read my life story here). I will try to make do with my Brother
inkjet printer (which at least *looks* shiny and brand-new), and figure out
how to make do with refills. Over the years I have got pretty inventive about
making stuff work that really should not work at all, and this is another one
of those moments.
Thanks for the comments & offers of help. Even if I cannot take the advice, I
still got some useful information about what might be my next move for
getting a better printer.
Bill
On Wednesday 27 June 2018 11:43:09 Mike Bird
wrote:
> Caveat: I have not researched this model for Linux compatibility.
All Dell printers I've seen are Windoze-only. For Linux, HP or Brother is
the best bet, and even then I'd check compatibility just to be sure. I've
only ever run into one HP that's flaky with Linux; unfortunately it belongs
to a friend so I get to keep it running for free. :)
Thanks, I will do a little more research. (Just
when I've already spent
most of the past couple weeks doing research...!) I don't suppose there
are third-party toner cartridges out there? cheaper than $100?
Best deal for toners is usually on Ebay. For older model printers, there's
always someone(s) clearing out old slow-moving stock for cheap. Even new
genuine OEM toners can usually be had pretty cheap. No worries about age,
as you have with inkjet ink. If you buy refills, stick to major names, not
no-name stuff.
7:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
Am Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder:
[...]
I will plan to buy a laser printer somehow in the future. For the present, my
options are limited (and I haven't explained EVERYTHING, as I doubt everybody
wants to read my life story here). I will try to make do with my Brother
inkjet printer (which at least *looks* shiny and brand-new), and figure out
how to make do with refills. Over the years I have got pretty inventive about
making stuff work that really should not work at all, and this is another one
of those moments.
I have a Brother MFC which works to my satisfaction with non-Brother-refill and a chip
reseter (from amazon - 1/2 liter ink + reseter for the price of one original cardridge).
That keeps the operation cost quite low. I would not bet that it's as cheep as a
laser, but on the other hand it stinks less :-)
Nik
Thanks for the comments & offers of help. Even if I cannot take the advice, I
still got some useful information about what might be my next move for
getting a better printer.
Bill
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28 Jun
2:11 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
On Wednesday 27 June 2018 12:42:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder:
Yeah, I don't need it to be great; e.g., I won't be printing out photos, nor
doing end-quality work that needs to look perfect. I just need it to be "good
enough", so that I can print out drafts, and print out copies of mock-up
pages that I lay out.
It may come to my laying out and designing the whole book by myself (as I used
to do that kind of thing in days past, when people still read the printed
word); but right now my goal is just to be able to imagine how the final
published version ought to look on the page.
I found some refill kits that have copies of the Brother cartridges; they have
refill holes, and are transparent or translucent, so that you can see whether
they are full or not. Also there are some web pages that tell how to reset
the printer, to keep printing even when it says you need to change
cartridges.
Bill
[...]
I will plan to buy a laser printer somehow in the future. For the
present, my options are limited (and I haven't explained EVERYTHING, as I
doubt everybody wants to read my life story here). I will try to make do
with my Brother inkjet printer (which at least *looks* shiny and
brand-new), and figure out how to make do with refills. Over the years I
have got pretty inventive about making stuff work that really should not
work at all, and this is another one of those moments.
I have a Brother MFC which works to my satisfaction with non-Brother-refill
and a chip reseter (from amazon - 1/2 liter ink + reseter for the price of
one original cardridge). That keeps the operation cost quite low. I would
not bet that it's as cheep as a laser, but on the other hand it stinks
less :-)
Nik > Thanks for the comments & offers of help.
Even if I cannot take the
> advice, I still got some useful information about what might be my next
> move for getting a better printer.
>
> Bill
>
>
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11:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
On Wednesday 27 June 2018 12:42:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder:
By the way, thanks to Nik for answering my actual question. I used the same HP
825c printer for almost 20 years now, and have refilled cartridges before. I
just haven't tried it with the newer Brother inkjet printers. When I changed
from a Windoze system to Linux, I had no problems in finding drivers for my
old printer, and it was easy enough to find deb packages for the Brother. I
was just wavering on the point about whether to try refillable cartridges
with the Brother, as I've heard that the newer, "smarter" printers can tell
when users are not using "genuine Brother products", and reject them. But
then I found out about resetting the chips, and good stuff like that, so I
have a glimmer of hope that there is a way forward.
Bill
[...]
I will plan to buy a laser printer somehow in the future. For the
present, my options are limited (and I haven't explained EVERYTHING, as I
doubt everybody wants to read my life story here). I will try to make do
with my Brother inkjet printer (which at least *looks* shiny and
brand-new), and figure out how to make do with refills. Over the years I
have got pretty inventive about making stuff work that really should not
work at all, and this is another one of those moments.
I have a Brother MFC which works to my satisfaction with non-Brother-refill
and a chip reseter (from amazon - 1/2 liter ink + reseter for the price of
one original cardridge). That keeps the operation cost quite low. I would
not bet that it's as cheep as a laser, but on the other hand it stinks
less :-)
Nik
> Thanks for the comments & offers of help. Even if I cannot take the
> advice, I still got some useful information about what might be my next
> move for getting a better printer.
>
> Bill
>
> 
27 Jun
27 Jun
7:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
Hi William, Guys,
On Wednesday 27 June 2018 20:16:06 William Morder wrote:
> All Dell printers I've seen are
Windoze-only.
>
> > Thanks, I will do a little more research. (Just when I've
> > already spent most of the past couple weeks doing research...!)
> > I don't suppose there are third-party toner cartridges out
> > there? cheaper than $100?
>
Thanks for the comments & offers of help. Even if
I cannot take the
advice, I still got some useful information about what might be my
next move for getting a better printer.
Bill
For what its worth, I still have and use a HP Deskjet 500 printer that
I seem to have had forever. Certainly since the beginning of 90s, and
have been refilling the one remaining cartridge that still works for
over ten years from a litre bottle that has about 1/2 an inch of ink
left in the bottom. Technique is the key to filling cartridges
without causing a mess. I've had a couple or three of those in the
past.
Someone mentioned that the Brother cartridges have a chip in them,
most if not all printer cartridges do nowadays. Once the printer
decides that the cartridge is empty, then that is game over for that
cartridge. However one of the tricks to keeping the cartridge going
is to fill it before the printer says its empty. Weighing the new
cartridge is one way to do this and comparing it with an empty one.
You can probably get a used cartridge from the recycle box that some
stores have to collect old ones.
HTH.
Best Regards:
Baron
5:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Brother printer - comments?
Kate Draven composed on 2018-06-27 13:20 (UTC-0400):
William Morder composed on 2018-06-27 09:53
(UTC-0700):
> Just got a Brother printer-scanner-copier-fax
combo, model is MFC-495CW,
...
Everything
seems to work fine, except for no ink.
My experience with brother is they are well
supported under linux and
print/scan well. HOWEVER (insert shocking and dramatic music here), they go
through inkjet cartridges like mad. A laser printer is always better because, whilst the
cartridges are more
expensive, they last longer and print more. I have an HP 1320N printer. I
bought 2 ink cartridges 7 years ago. The first one lasted 5 years. The second
one is on it's 2nd year. I print at least every other day.
I also have a Brother mfc-j615w. Another network
printer. It's great, HOWEVER
(insert even more shocking and dramatic music here) the new ink carts only
lasted a week. They sell them cheap in bulk but I would have to buy about
about $100 worth to last a few months.
I will never buy an inkjet (most inkjets I have were
$1 purchased at yard
sales or were given to me). I would rather save up and get a laser jet.
Better overall investment.
My Brother network laser HP5470DL is 3years+1week old. It hasn't needed a
cartridge yet.
My Brother network inkjet MFC-420CN empties its itty bitty ink cartridges
self-testing when kept plugged in, dries the ink up and won't print if unplugged
when not needed, and won't print color if the black cartridge is "empty"
(dried
up), besides the cartridge troubleshoot & replace process being horribly messy.
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