Hello,
Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
Thank you,
André
Hi André!
Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
From what I've seen, there is something wrong with Stretch :-/
Nik
Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images. My one 9 install today has been a disappointment.
On Jun 25, 2017 10:45, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" office@klepp.biz wrote:
Hi André!
Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
From what I've seen, there is something wrong with Stretch :-/
Nik
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On Sunday 25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images. My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
Hello Curt, Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to Stretch ? Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
On Jun 25, 2017 10:45, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" office@klepp.biz wrote:
Hi André! From what I've seen, there is something wrong with Stretch :-/ Nik
Hi Nikolaus! Idem, what is something wrong with Stretch ?
André
On Sunday 25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images. My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
Curt-
On Sunday 25 June 2017 16:42:13 Curt Howland wrote:
On Sunday 25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images. My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
Curt-
Its there, but not in the users $PATH, so you either need to use the full path or sudo ifconfig.
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Sunday 25 June 2017 16:42:13 Curt Howland wrote:
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
Its there, but not in the users $PATH, so you either need to use the full path or sudo ifconfig.
Forgive me, I thought that since I included # you'd know I was issuing the command as root.
Not important.
Curt Howland wrote:
On Sunday 25 June 2017 16:42:13 Curt Howland wrote:
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net wrote:
Its there, but not in the users $PATH, so you either need to use the full path or sudo ifconfig.
Forgive me, I thought that since I included # you'd know I was issuing the command as root.
Not important.
The package I think net tools or smth is not installed by default anymore
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:42:13 -0400 Curt Howland Howland@priss.com wrote:
On Sunday 25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images. My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
Erm? ifconfig exist in stretch in the same net-tools package as always.
On Sunday 25 of June 2017 23:23:31 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:42:13 -0400
Curt Howland Howland@priss.com wrote:
On Sunday 25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images. My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
Erm? ifconfig exist in stretch in the same net-tools package as always.
Exactly, ifconfig is in the net-tools package. Just the difference is that net-tools is no longer installed as the essential package. Must be installed manually.
Cheers
On 06/25/2017 03:01 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
On Sunday 25 of June 2017 23:23:31 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:42:13 -0400
Curt Howland Howland@priss.com wrote:
On Sunday 25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images. My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, andre_debian@numericable.fr wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
Erm? ifconfig exist in stretch in the same net-tools package as always.
Exactly, ifconfig is in the net-tools package. Just the difference is that net-tools is no longer installed as the essential package. Must be installed manually.
Cheers
Debian: net-tools will be deprecated in favor of iproute2.."ip command" instead of "ifconfig command". Fewer characters to type :-)
Greg Madden composed on 2017-06-25 21:33 (UTC-0800): .
Slávek Banko wrote:
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Exactly, ifconfig is in the net-tools package. Just the difference is that net-tools is no longer installed as the essential package. Must be installed manually.
.
Debian: net-tools will be deprecated in favor of iproute2.."ip command" instead of "ifconfig command". Fewer characters to type :-).
More obtuse manual more than makes up for that de minimus improvement. Without examples from the Internet, ip usage for getting other than mere current status is inexplicable.
Am Sonntag, 25. Juni 2017 schrieb andre_debian@numericable.fr:
On Jun 25, 2017 10:45, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" office@klepp.biz wrote:
Hi André! From what I've seen, there is something wrong with Stretch :-/ Nik
Hi Nikolaus! Idem, what is something wrong with Stretch ?
add to the list: - RDX drives lost hotplugging ability - dmesg requires root - did I mention systemd? - X11 requires login manager
Nik
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
add to the list:
- RDX drives lost hotplugging ability
- dmesg requires root
- did I mention systemd?
- X11 requires login manager
Nik, sorry but I don't see how this is related to TDE.
I have played around TDE and building amd64 packages from git. I have used debian as a base and I have not encountered any single issue so far. Not that I've tested that much, but still all looks normal and seems to work as in Jessie.
- systemd is annoying (sometimes very annoying) - X11 - login mgr - I think when I have time I'll talk to Slavek, Tim & Co about dependencies. There is a lo of room for improvement.
regards
On 06/27/2017 02:11 AM, deloptes wrote:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
add to the list:
- RDX drives lost hotplugging ability
- dmesg requires root
- did I mention systemd?
- X11 requires login manager
Nik, sorry but I don't see how this is related to TDE.
I have played around TDE and building amd64 packages from git. I have used debian as a base and I have not encountered any single issue so far. Not that I've tested that much, but still all looks normal and seems to work as in Jessie.
- systemd is annoying (sometimes very annoying)
- X11 - login mgr - I think when I have time I'll talk to Slavek, Tim & Co
about dependencies. There is a lo of room for improvement.
I agree with you on the systemd issue. I'm using AMDs new Ryzen + ASUS hardware and I'm finding that even WIN 10 has problems the the new platform, so I can't put any blame on Trinity at this point. The version before the R14 release seems to run better on this system. But there are still unexpected reboots, even in windows. I'm thinking its BIOS/UEFI problems. Dave
Dave wrote:
I agree with you on the systemd issue. I'm using AMDs new Ryzen + ASUS hardware and I'm finding that even WIN 10 has problems the the new platform, so I can't put any blame on Trinity at this point. The version before the R14 release seems to run better on this system. But there are still unexpected reboots, even in windows. I'm thinking its BIOS/UEFI problems.
Do you have something in the logs - what is causing the reboots. I don't recall exactly but there is an option when you compile the kernel to have some errors ignored - usb or non critical submodules. Most likely it is kernel related. What you could do is try find out what causes the problem and find a fix. perhaps the users here can help.
In theory the DE has less to do with the kernel, so I would not expect this to be related, but it could be in case of graphic card driver or alike that there is a causal relation
regards
Hi!
Am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2017 schrieb deloptes:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
add to the list:
- RDX drives lost hotplugging ability
- dmesg requires root
- did I mention systemd?
- X11 requires login manager
Nik, sorry but I don't see how this is related to TDE.
No, it's not related to TDE. But it's the answer to:
Idem, what is something wrong with Stretch ?
:-)
Nik
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
No, it's not related to TDE. But it's the answer to:
Idem, what is something wrong with Stretch ?
The only problem I have so far with systemd is that when I shutdown it waits for some tasks. As it was discussed here already I don't think we have to go again for it. It was also in jessie and should have not changed much.
Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
I upgraded to Stretch last week. TDE works perfectly fine, but you need to use preliminary stable builds as there is no official release of latest stable TDE for Stretch. As others have already hinted there are some changes in Stretch. I suggest that you check the manual before deciding whether to upgrade or not:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en...
HTH
Janek
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On 06/26/17 09:16, Jan Stolarek wrote:
Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
I upgraded to Stretch last week. TDE works perfectly fine, but you need to use preliminary stable builds as there is no official release of latest stable TDE for Stretch. As others have already hinted there are some changes in Stretch. I suggest that you check the manual before deciding whether to upgrade or not:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en...
HTH
Janek
I'm writing this on Stretch because Stretch install killed Jessie! I'm using preliminary stable with a fresh Stretch install on encrypted LVM. fsck was complaining about metadata_csum, "you need to update fsck!" I don't know how that flag got added as I built Stretch up from a debootstrap on the already-created lvm partition. I chrooted it to complete installation steps from within Jessie. Now I find that the ethernet and wifi device names changed to enp3s0b1/wlp2s0b1 and now they are enp3s0/wlp2s0 - I don't know why, but hopefully it has sorted itself out. I use wpa-supplicant to allow network access without a GUI. Anyway the most recent 6 attempts to boot into Jessie (3.16.0-4-amd64 kernel) resulted in a low res screen with mouse and keyboard non-functional.
hope this helps!
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Now I find that the ethernet and wifi device names changed to enp3s0b1/wlp2s0b1 and now they are enp3s0/wlp2s0 - I don't know why, but hopefully it has sorted itself out.
Like I said, it might be worth to read the upgrade manual link that I posted - it's explained there.
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