4 Feb
2024
4 Feb
'24
1:52 p.m.
I don't know if this is totally selfish and/or solipsistic of me, but I would
like to have a way to download *all* available packages appropriate to my
system.
If there is some command that will do this, that will work, as I can pick and
choose on my own. A tool like aptoncd would be better, but I can find
anything like it any more. Best thing about images created with aptoncd is
that apt treats them exactly like repositories, so I don't need to cobble
together self-styled hacks and use dpkg, but can just depend or apt to find
the right combination of packages and dependencies.
Debian still offers, I believe, extra CD or DVD images of the extra packages
in their repositories. In addition to the installation images, there are
usually extra discs, 1, 2, 3 and 4, containing extra packages. I used to
search all over Devuan to find the same, but now it seems that they, too,
have caught up, and offer disc images of extras. Or perhaps I have only
recently discovered where they keep them hidden?
My reason for this request is related to my recent previous posts: sometimes I
find myself in a remote place, or in a crazy situation, where there is no
internet access, or where -- such as recently -- flooding or some other
disaster has knocked out internet. Yet, while I have no internet, I still
need to have a working computer for other things that I do offline; and now,
suddenly, my machine gives me problems, and I need to do a system
reinstallation, or at least to install some new and unfamiliar packages.
Thanks for any help,
Bill
4 Feb
4 Feb
3:25 p.m.
Anno domini 2024 Sun, 4 Feb 13:52:22 +0000
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
I don't know if this is totally selfish and/or solipsistic of me, but I would
like to have a way to download *all* available packages appropriate to my
system.
If there is some command that will do this, that will work, as I can pick and
choose on my own. A tool like aptoncd would be better, but I can find
anything like it any more. Best thing about images created with aptoncd is
that apt treats them exactly like repositories, so I don't need to cobble
together self-styled hacks and use dpkg, but can just depend or apt to find
the right combination of packages and dependencies.
Debian still offers, I believe, extra CD or DVD images of the extra packages
in their repositories. In addition to the installation images, there are
usually extra discs, 1, 2, 3 and 4, containing extra packages. I used to
search all over Devuan to find the same, but now it seems that they, too,
have caught up, and offer disc images of extras. Or perhaps I have only
recently discovered where they keep them hidden?
My reason for this request is related to my recent previous posts: sometimes I
find myself in a remote place, or in a crazy situation, where there is no
internet access, or where -- such as recently -- flooding or some other
disaster has knocked out internet. Yet, while I have no internet, I still
need to have a working computer for other things that I do offline; and now,
suddenly, my machine gives me problems, and I need to do a system
reinstallation, or at least to install some new and unfamiliar packages.
Copy the folder /var/cache/apt, there's all in what you may need. Or try
"refractasnapsot". I have just uploaded a "bleeding edge" iso of
devuan excalibur + TDE 14.2 + patched refractasnapshot:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6299
Nik
Thanks for any help,
Bill
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6:56 p.m.
On Sunday 04 February 2024 15:25:50 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Yes, I already do that, only in a little more complicated and exact way, to
wit:
sudo
mv -f -v /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb -t
/home/geekstuff/archives/daedalus-bookworm_64/messy-20240201/
sudo
dpkg -i -E -G
/home/geekstuff/archives/daedalus-bookworm_64/tde-trinity-daedalus-bookworm-20240201-stable/*.deb
sudo
mv -f -v /var/cache/apt/archives/*trinity*.deb -t
/home/geekstuff/archives/daedalus-bookworm_64/tde-trinity-daedalus-bookworm-20240201-stable/
sudo
mv -f -v /var/cache/apt/archives/*tde*.deb -t
/home/geekstuff/archives/daedalus-bookworm_64/tde-trinity-daedalus-bookworm-20240201-stable/
sudo
mv -f -v /var/cache/apt/archives/*tqt*.deb -t
/home/geekstuff/archives/daedalus-bookworm_64/tde-trinity-daedalus-bookworm-20240201-stable/
sudo
mv -f -v /var/cache/apt/archives/*tqca*.deb -t
/home/geekstuff/archives/daedalus-bookworm_64/tde-trinity-daedalus-bookworm-20240201-stable/
sudo
dpkg -i -E -G
/home/geekstuff/archives/daedalus-bookworm_64/tde-trinity-daedalus-bookworm-20240201-stable-deps/*.deb
sudo
mv -f -v /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb -t
/home/geekstuff/archives/daedalus-bookworm_64/tde-trinity-daedalus-bookworm-20240201-stable-deps/
This sorts everything into the right folders. You will note how I try to
separate Trinity-TDE items from dependencies; this works pretty well, but
sometimes packages get put with Trinity, sometimes with deps.
There is often a problem of duplication, as different packages use the same
dependency, so when I get into installing other packages (notably,
multimedia), I often have the same dependencies copied into different package
folders. What I want is to create a local mini-repository, e.g., on a flash
drive, then change my sources.list so that apt will look there for packages.
Bill
P.S. Below are some recent discoveries. I am appending the links here, as
others may be able to make use of them, too.
It seems that apt-mirror may do what I want, but I've yet to explore it yet.
https://www.linux.com/news/burning-debian-packages-and-repositories-disc-ap…
https://web.archive.org/web/20240127221904/https://www.linux.com/news/burni…
https://askubuntu.com/questions/3576/how-to-make-usb-drive-as-local-reposit…
https://web.archive.org/web/20230410001817/https://askubuntu.com/questions/…
So far, this seems the best for my purposes. But if I understand other
information I've read elsewhere, I need to make a tar.gz archive of those
packages before I can use them as a repository with apt. But it's getting
close to what I want.
I've read about refracta and similar tools, but I don't want to create a
snapshot of my system. A snapshot is only good if you don't care about
recently saved or changed items; otherwise, it is like a backup, right?
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=678
https://web.archive.org/web/20221129054513/https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic…
Also I want to create an installation image of Devuan with TDE already
available, and probably no other desktops (except maybe xfce for
troubleshooting and testing). But I am not quite there yet.
This is to create an actual online repository, I believe, for others to use. I
don't have the resources for that; I just want to create one for myself on a
flash drive.
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20230409023758/https://www.debian.org/doc/manua…
However, it may contain some useful information that I can apply to my own
situation.
Apparently aptoncd is still preserved somewhere. We hear that old versions can
be downloaded from sourceforge. I tried, but their download link for that deb
package is dead; I searched for an archived version, but found nothing.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/aptoncd/
https://web.archive.org/web/20240204183159/https://sourceforge.net/projects…
https://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/download.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20221007075747/https://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/…
no archived versions of packages:
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/aptoncd/aptoncd_0.1-1_all.deb
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/aptoncd/aptoncd-0.1.tar.gz
https://www.linux.com/news/burning-debian-packages-and-repositories-disc-ap…
https://web.archive.org/web/20240127221904/https://www.linux.com/news/burni…
Looks like it's been a long time since any development was done on this item.
https://launchpad.net/aptoncd
https://web.archive.org/web/20231107014851/https://launchpad.net/aptoncd
Anno domini 2024 Sun, 4 Feb 13:52:22 +0000
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
> I don't know if this is totally selfish and/or solipsistic of me, but I
> would like to have a way to download *all* available packages appropriate
> to my system.
>
> If there is some command that will do this, that will work, as I can pick
> and choose on my own. A tool like aptoncd would be better, but I can find
> anything like it any more.
>
Copy the folder /var/cache/apt, there's all in what you may need. Or try
"refractasnapsot". I have just uploaded a "bleeding edge" iso of
devuan
excalibur + TDE 14.2 + patched refractasnapshot:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6299
Nik
8:18 p.m.
On Sun February 4 2024 05:52:22 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I don't know if this is totally selfish and/or
solipsistic of me, but I
would like to have a way to download *all* available packages appropriate
to my system.
Hi Bill,
I would try (but have not):
# apt update
# apt --download-only install tde-trinity
- and then backup both /var/lib/apt and /var/cache/apt.
Restoring those backups onto a new system should (I haven't tried
it) make all the non-devel parts of TDE including dependencies
available for installation by apt.
If you need devel parts of TDE add "tde-devel-trinity" to the
download command.
--Mike
5 Feb
5 Feb
1:37 p.m.
On Sunday 04 of February 2024 14:52:22 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I don't know if this is totally selfish and/or
solipsistic of me, but I
would like to have a way to download *all* available packages
appropriate to my system.
If there is some command that will do this, that will work, as I can
pick and choose on my own. A tool like aptoncd would be better, but I
can find anything like it any more. Best thing about images created with
aptoncd is that apt treats them exactly like repositories, so I don't
need to cobble together self-styled hacks and use dpkg, but can just
depend or apt to find the right combination of packages and
dependencies.
Debian still offers, I believe, extra CD or DVD images of the extra
packages in their repositories. In addition to the installation images,
there are usually extra discs, 1, 2, 3 and 4, containing extra packages.
I used to search all over Devuan to find the same, but now it seems that
they, too, have caught up, and offer disc images of extras. Or perhaps I
have only recently discovered where they keep them hidden?
My reason for this request is related to my recent previous posts:
sometimes I find myself in a remote place, or in a crazy situation,
where there is no internet access, or where -- such as recently --
flooding or some other disaster has knocked out internet. Yet, while I
have no internet, I still need to have a working computer for other
things that I do offline; and now, suddenly, my machine gives me
problems, and I need to do a system reinstallation, or at least to
install some new and unfamiliar packages.
Thanks for any help,
Bill
____________________________________________________
Hi Bill,
although there were several answers, I will add more.
1. If you just want to download all deb packages to one folder, like apt
cache, you can use aptitude:
aptitude search -F "%p" "~Otrinitydesktop.org" | xargs -r aptitude
download
2. If you want to have a complete structure including apt metadata, I
recommend interested in apt-mirror package:
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/apt-mirror
Cheers
--
Slávek
8 Feb
8 Feb
12:40 a.m.
On Monday 05 February 2024 13:37:16 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Sunday 04 of February 2024 14:52:22 William Morder
via tde-users wrote:
> [snip snip]
> I would like to have a way to download *all* available packages
> appropriate to my system.
>
> If there is some command that will do this, that will work, as I can
> pick and choose on my own. A tool like aptoncd would be better, but I
> can't find anything like it any more.
Hi Bill,
although there were several answers, I will add more.
1. If you just want to download all deb packages to one folder, like apt
cache, you can use aptitude:
aptitude search -F "%p" "~Otrinitydesktop.org" | xargs -r aptitude
download
2. If you want to have a complete structure including apt metadata, I
recommend interested in apt-mirror package:
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/apt-mirror
Yes, thank you Slavek! This is more specifically what I needed, although I
haven't yet had the opportunity to explore either of these options.
Thanks to all who offered suggestions (Nik, deloptes, Mike, ...? I hope I
didn't miss anybody). It is all grist for the mill, and I can learn new
things, even when they are not exactly the right solution.
Things are now back to normal here, at least regarding my machine. As for life
in California, especially in San Francisco, it is hard to say what
is "normal"; but at least the weather is not so terrible. This so-called
Pineapple Express is bad news.
Bill
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