On 11/25/20 5:33 PM, Edward wrote:

I may have partially resolved the issue. Canonical's Snapcraft service has the latest Thunderbird there, I would have to install the 'snapcraft' package, then install Thunderbird from Konsole.

For the Trinity/Debian install, would this be an 'acceptable' way of getting the latest Thunderbird since Ubuntu has not provided 78.5, or would it cause problems with the rest of the installed software?

Thanks again.

Ed

My apologies. Trinity/UBUNTU install.

(I'll get it right one of these days!)

On 11/25/20 5:58 PM, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:

Hi Eduard,

I have to admit that I was a little confused by your question before you specified it - Slax (based on Debian) × Ubuntu, but for completeness I will add both information:

• Slax with Trinity is currently based on Debian 9, as Slax as such has not

yet been released for Debian 10.

• TDE Ubuntu LiveCDs are based on LTS versions of Ubuntu, so now on Ubuntu

20.04.1.

Cheers

Hi Slávek,

My apologies regarding that. I have four images installed on this system. TDE/PCLinuxOS is the main operating system. And I have three VirtualBoxes installed under it, containing: Debian (10.6), Lubuntu (20.10) and TDE/Ubuntu (20.04.1).

VirtualBox is all new to me. I'm just barely getting started with it to see what it can and cannot do. TDE/Ubuntu runs very well in it.

Thank you for the info regarding the current images.

Ed

On 11/27/20 11:15 AM, Michael via tde-users wrote:

On Wednesday 25 November 2020 05:18:53 pm Edward via tde-users wrote:

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VirtualBox is all new to me. I'm just barely getting started with it to see what it can and cannot do. TDE/Ubuntu runs very well in it.

Hi Ed,

Do you have a VirtualBox tutorial and/or setup instructions guide that you used (and liked)?

Like you VirtualBox isn't something I've used before and I'm trying to get the wife to move to TDE, but she has 2 windows programs she has to use (neither run well under wine).

Thanks, Michael

Hi Michael,

I'm sorry, I don't. Oracle has a web site at https://www.virtualbox.org that includes technical and end-user documentation. Up to now, I haven't had the need to refer to it.

When I had Fedora installed, someone asked me if I tried Gnome Boxes (GB), which doesn't require Gnome to be installed, it works with any DE. Of course, I hadn't used any type of virtual anything before, so I figured I would give it a try.

Although it's very easy to create a box using GB, VirtualBox (VB) has more options. One thing I like about VB, is that there is an option to make the box automatically expand its size on the disk, if needed. As far as I know, the box size is fixed with GB when it's created. When I created my boxes with VB, I set it to use 4GB of RAM and 20 or 25 GB for the box size on the disk.

When installing an OS in a box and with the immediate subsequent package upgrades, it will run somewhat slower. I noticed that some of the kernel-related packages took a bit of time to upgrade. But Firefox and Thunderbird run fine.

The Trinity PCLinuxOS image includes the VirtualBox installer and was one of the first OS' I tried out in a box under Fedora.

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On 11/27/20 8:47 PM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:

On 2020/11/28 02:27 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:

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Although it's very easy to create a box using GB, VirtualBox (VB) has more options. One thing I like about VB, is that there is an option to make the box automatically expand its size on the disk, if needed. As far as I know, the box size is fixed with GB when it's created. When I created my boxes with VB, I set it to use 4GB of RAM and 20 or 25 GB for the box size on the disk.

Hi Edward if you plan to use an OS in a VB machine regularly, I strongly suggest you go for fixed size preallocated disks. Expanding size disks are slower and keep growing over time. Good if you want to do a quick test of an OS. But if you use it regularly, the fixed size is recommended.

Regarding speed, try out different options for the storage controller. I found SAS to be way faster than SCSI or SATA in the past and I see now there are even newer options.

Cheers   Michele

PS: debian + TDE works like a charm in VB VM :-)

Hi Michele,

Thank you for this information. Will keep it in mind. I just checked the sizes of the boxes created and each of them were only using 1/2 of the allocated amount of space, but I just expanded them as the hard drive is large. I could not find anything in the VB settings that would change it from an expandable box to fixed, once one is created, but this would be a nice feature.

I'm actually keeping them lean, only using Firefox and Thunderbird. Haven't used any office-related applications yet.

Ed

On 11/28/20 1:21 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:

On 2020/11/28 11:16 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:

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Thank you for this information. Will keep it in mind. I just checked the sizes of the boxes created and each of them were only using 1/2 of the allocated amount of space, but I just expanded them as the hard drive is large. I could not find anything in the VB settings that would change it from an expandable box to fixed, once one is created, but this would be a nice feature.

Hi Ed, quick search in google returns this:

1. see command on first reply to original post

https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=55892

2. if you want a longer reading and explanation (but same command)

https://www.howtogeek.com/312456/how-to-convert-between-fixed-and-dynamic-di...

Cheers  Michele

Hi Michele,

Thank you for providing the links, I didn't know it could be done that way.

I have since recreated the two Trinity (Debian and Ubuntu) boxes, with fixed sizes. I haven't yet noticed the occasional sluggishness, that was with the expandable boxes. The fixed sized boxes were created using 40GB each.

Although after upgrading everything - and again, it could be a result of the fixed size, HPLIP seems to have suffered a role-reversal.

In the Trinity/Debian box, the printer did not configure automatically as it did with the expandable box. With the expandable boxes, the HPLIP Toolbox (GUI) would not launch in either, so I used hp-setup in a Konsole window to configure the printer in the Ubuntu box.

This time around, hp-setup would not launch from a Konsole window in either box, It reported it could not connect to any displays. So then I tried the HPLIP Toolbox and that now launches successfully in both boxes and was able to configure the printer in each.

I'll try these for a few days then will delete the original expandable boxes. So far, I like what I'm seeing.

Ed

On 11/28/20 10:29 PM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:

On 2020/11/29 03:08 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:

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Although after upgrading everything - and again, it could be a result of the fixed size, HPLIP seems to have suffered a role-reversal.

I seriously doubt there is any sort of connection between how VB manages its disks and HPLIP auto configuring your printer. In fact when in your first email mentioned that it auto configured that, I was a bit surprised :-)

Cheers  Michele

I was surprised myself. I used the Debian image containing the LXQt desktop to install, but I did not do anything afterwards to configure the printer, so unless that image somehow added the printer automatically during the installation, I can't explain it. :)

On Monday 30 of November 2020 12:56:06 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:

On 2020/11/30 12:45 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:

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I was surprised myself. I used the Debian image containing the LXQt desktop to install, but I did not do anything afterwards to configure the printer, so unless that image somehow added the printer automatically during the installation, I can't explain it. :)

ok, that could a different. Maybe when installing LXQt there is some process checking and setting up local printers in CUPS, which would later be found in TDE as well. Cheers Michele

There is a cups-browsed package that could be the one responsible for automatically installing printers.

Cheers

On 11/25/20 5:33 PM, Edward via tde-users wrote:

I may have partially resolved the issue. Canonical's Snapcraft service has the latest Thunderbird there, I would have to install the 'snapcraft' package, then install Thunderbird from Konsole.

For the Trinity/Debian install, would this be an 'acceptable' way of getting the latest Thunderbird since Ubuntu has not provided 78.5, or would it cause problems with the rest of the installed software?

Can't use the Snap or Flatpak Thunderbird with Trinity/Ubuntu.

Flatpak: package will not install, GPG errors.

Snap: Installs. But when selecting the Attach icon or its pull-down menu selecting 'File(s)', it does nothing. Shouldn't it be opening a file manager in Trinity?

On 11/25/20 8:48 PM, Edward via tde-users wrote:

I also read some brief info about issues with the Snap package. But there is a PPA for Firefox ESR and Thunderbird stable builds from the Debian Mozilla Team. I will add this PPA. Perhaps I'll have better luck.

.../Ubuntu/ Mozilla team.

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On 11/26/20 12:55 AM, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:

On Thursday 26 November 2020 02.04:50 Edward via tde-users wrote:

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Can't use the Snap or Flatpak Thunderbird with Trinity/Ubuntu.

Flatpak: package will not install, GPG errors.

No experience

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Snap: Installs. But when selecting the Attach icon or its pull-down menu selecting 'File(s)', it does nothing. Shouldn't it be opening a file manager in Trinity?

No idea. I do have at least one snap app installes (Meshlab). I created a launcher with eth following command: "/snap/bin/meshlab".

I'd guess it would be the same for other snaps.

Thierry

Hello Thierry,

The Thunderbird package from the Ubuntu Mozilla Team PPA installed perfectly and runs fine.

I tried a different Snap package under Fedora a number of months back and did not have a good experience with it.