25 Nov
2020
25 Nov
'20
10:01 p.m.
Does anyone know which Debian version the latest Trinity Slax LiveCD is
based on?
Although I have the Trinity Debian (20.04.1) image installed in a
VirtualBox, Debian has not updated Thunderbird to version 78.5 (the
latest from Mozilla) for this release. They have provided 78.5 for
Debian 20.10, but for 20.04.1 and the previous two LTS releases,
Thunderbird is still on version 68, which is now EOL'd and has been for
some time now
Thanks.
25 Nov
25 Nov
10:33 p.m.
On 11/25/20 5:01 PM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Does anyone know which Debian version the latest
Trinity Slax LiveCD is
based on?
Although I have the Trinity Debian (20.04.1) image installed in a
VirtualBox, Debian has not updated Thunderbird to version 78.5 (the
latest from Mozilla) for this release. They have provided 78.5 for
Debian 20.10, but for 20.04.1 and the previous two LTS releases,
Thunderbird is still on version 68, which is now EOL'd and has been for
some time now
Thanks.
I may have partially resolved the issue. Canonical's Snapcraft service
has the latest Thunderbird there, I would have to install the
'snapcraft' package, then install Thunderbird from Konsole.
For the Trinity/Debian install, would this be an 'acceptable' way of
getting the latest Thunderbird since Ubuntu has not provided 78.5, or
would it cause problems with the rest of the installed software?
Thanks again.
Ed
10:37 p.m.
On 11/25/20 5:33 PM, Edward wrote:
I may have partially resolved the issue. Canonical's Snapcraft service
has the latest Thunderbird there, I would have to install the
'snapcraft' package, then install Thunderbird from Konsole.
For the Trinity/Debian install, would this be an 'acceptable' way of
getting the latest Thunderbird since Ubuntu has not provided 78.5, or
would it cause problems with the rest of the installed software?
Thanks again.
Ed
My apologies. Trinity/UBUNTU install.
(I'll get it right one of these days!)
10:58 p.m.
On Wednesday 25 of November 2020 23:37:00 Edward via tde-users wrote:
On 11/25/20 5:33 PM, Edward wrote:
Hi Eduard,
I have to admit that I was a little confused by your question before you
specified it - Slax (based on Debian) × Ubuntu, but for completeness I
will add both information:
+ Slax with Trinity is currently based on Debian 9, as Slax as such has not
yet been released for Debian 10.
+ TDE Ubuntu LiveCDs are based on LTS versions of Ubuntu, so now on Ubuntu
20.04.1.
Cheers
--
Slávek
I may have partially resolved the issue.
Canonical's Snapcraft service
has the latest Thunderbird there, I would have to install the
'snapcraft' package, then install Thunderbird from Konsole.
For the Trinity/Debian install, would this be an 'acceptable' way of
getting the latest Thunderbird since Ubuntu has not provided 78.5, or
would it cause problems with the rest of the installed software?
Thanks again.
Ed
My apologies. Trinity/UBUNTU install.
(I'll get it right one of these days!)
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11:18 p.m.
On 11/25/20 5:58 PM, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
Hi Eduard,
I have to admit that I was a little confused by your question before you
specified it - Slax (based on Debian) × Ubuntu, but for completeness I
will add both information:
+ Slax with Trinity is currently based on Debian 9, as Slax as such has not
yet been released for Debian 10.
+ TDE Ubuntu LiveCDs are based on LTS versions of Ubuntu, so now on Ubuntu
20.04.1.
Cheers
Hi Slávek,
My apologies regarding that. I have four images installed on this
system. TDE/PCLinuxOS is the main operating system. And I have three
VirtualBoxes installed under it, containing: Debian (10.6), Lubuntu
(20.10) and TDE/Ubuntu (20.04.1).
VirtualBox is all new to me. I'm just barely getting started with it to
see what it can and cannot do. TDE/Ubuntu runs very well in it.
Thank you for the info regarding the current images.
Ed
27 Nov
27 Nov
4:15 p.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On Wednesday 25 November 2020 05:18:53 pm Edward via tde-users wrote:
VirtualBox is all new to me. I'm just barely
getting started with it to
see what it can and cannot do. TDE/Ubuntu runs very well in it.
Hi Ed,
Do you have a VirtualBox tutorial and/or setup instructions guide that you
used (and liked)?
Like you VirtualBox isn't something I've used before and I'm trying to get the
wife to move to TDE, but she has 2 windows programs she has to use (neither
run well under wine).
Thanks,
Michael
5:27 p.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On 11/27/20 11:15 AM, Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Wednesday 25 November 2020 05:18:53 pm Edward via
tde-users wrote:
Hi Michael,
I'm sorry, I don't. Oracle has a web site at https://www.virtualbox.org
that includes technical and end-user documentation. Up to now, I haven't
had the need to refer to it.
When I had Fedora installed, someone asked me if I tried Gnome Boxes
(GB), which doesn't require Gnome to be installed, it works with any DE.
Of course, I hadn't used any type of virtual anything before, so I
figured I would give it a try.
Although it's very easy to create a box using GB, VirtualBox (VB) has
more options. One thing I like about VB, is that there is an option to
make the box automatically expand its size on the disk, if needed. As
far as I know, the box size is fixed with GB when it's created. When I
created my boxes with VB, I set it to use 4GB of RAM and 20 or 25 GB for
the box size on the disk.
When installing an OS in a box and with the immediate subsequent package
upgrades, it will run somewhat slower. I noticed that some of the
kernel-related packages took a bit of time to upgrade. But Firefox and
Thunderbird run fine.
The Trinity PCLinuxOS image includes the VirtualBox installer and was
one of the first OS' I tried out in a box under Fedora.
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This message was sent using virtual technology.
VirtualBox is all new to me. I'm just barely
getting started with it to
see what it can and cannot do. TDE/Ubuntu runs very well in it.
Hi Ed,
Do you have a VirtualBox tutorial and/or setup instructions guide that you
used (and liked)?
Like you VirtualBox isn't something I've used before and I'm trying to get
the
wife to move to TDE, but she has 2 windows programs she has to use (neither
run well under wine).
Thanks,
Michael 
28 Nov
28 Nov
1:47 a.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On 2020/11/28 02:27 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Although it's very easy to create a box using GB, VirtualBox (VB) has
more options. One thing I like about VB, is that there is an option to
make the box automatically expand its size on the disk, if needed. As
far as I know, the box size is fixed with GB when it's created. When I
created my boxes with VB, I set it to use 4GB of RAM and 20 or 25 GB for
the box size on the disk.
Hi Edward
if you plan to use an OS in a VB machine regularly, I strongly suggest you go for fixed
size preallocated disks.
Expanding size disks are slower and keep growing over time. Good if you want to do a quick
test of an OS.
But if you use it regularly, the fixed size is recommended.
Regarding speed, try out different options for the storage controller. I found SAS to be
way faster than SCSI or SATA in
the past and I see now there are even newer options.
Cheers
Michele
PS: debian + TDE works like a charm in VB VM :-)
2:16 a.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On 11/27/20 8:47 PM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/11/28 02:27 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Hi Michele,
Thank you for this information. Will keep it in mind. I just checked the
sizes of the boxes created and each of them were only using 1/2 of the
allocated amount of space, but I just expanded them as the hard drive is
large. I could not find anything in the VB settings that would change it
from an expandable box to fixed, once one is created, but this would be
a nice feature.
I'm actually keeping them lean, only using Firefox and Thunderbird.
Haven't used any office-related applications yet.
Ed
Although it's very easy to create a box using GB, VirtualBox (VB) has
more options. One thing I like about VB, is that there is an option to
make the box automatically expand its size on the disk, if needed. As
far as I know, the box size is fixed with GB when it's created. When I
created my boxes with VB, I set it to use 4GB of RAM and 20 or 25 GB for
the box size on the disk.
Hi Edward
if you plan to use an OS in a VB machine regularly, I strongly suggest
you go for fixed size preallocated disks.
Expanding size disks are slower and keep growing over time. Good if
you want to do a quick test of an OS.
But if you use it regularly, the fixed size is recommended.
Regarding speed, try out different options for the storage controller.
I found SAS to be way faster than SCSI or SATA in the past and I see
now there are even newer options.
Cheers
Michele
PS: debian + TDE works like a charm in VB VM :-)
6:21 a.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On 2020/11/28 11:16 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Thank you for this information. Will keep it in mind. I just checked the
sizes of the boxes created and each of them were only using 1/2 of the
allocated amount of space, but I just expanded them as the hard drive is
large. I could not find anything in the VB settings that would change it
from an expandable box to fixed, once one is created, but this would be
a nice feature.
Hi Ed,
quick search in google returns this:
1) see command on first reply to original post
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=55892
2) if you want a longer reading and explanation (but same command)
https://www.howtogeek.com/312456/how-to-convert-between-fixed-and-dynamic-d…
Cheers
Michele
6:08 p.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On 11/28/20 1:21 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/11/28 11:16 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Hi Michele,
Thank you for providing the links, I didn't know it could be done that way.
I have since recreated the two Trinity (Debian and Ubuntu) boxes, with
fixed sizes. I haven't yet noticed the occasional sluggishness, that was
with the expandable boxes. The fixed sized boxes were created using 40GB
each.
Although after upgrading everything - and again, it could be a result of
the fixed size, HPLIP seems to have suffered a role-reversal.
In the Trinity/Debian box, the printer did not configure automatically
as it did with the expandable box. With the expandable boxes, the HPLIP
Toolbox (GUI) would not launch in either, so I used hp-setup in a
Konsole window to configure the printer in the Ubuntu box.
This time around, hp-setup would not launch from a Konsole window in
either box, It reported it could not connect to any displays. So then I
tried the HPLIP Toolbox and that now launches successfully in both boxes
and was able to configure the printer in each.
I'll try these for a few days then will delete the original expandable
boxes. So far, I like what I'm seeing.
Ed
Thank you for this information. Will keep it in mind. I just checked the
sizes of the boxes created and each of them were only using 1/2 of the
allocated amount of space, but I just expanded them as the hard drive is
large. I could not find anything in the VB settings that would change it
from an expandable box to fixed, once one is created, but this would be
a nice feature.
Hi Ed,
quick search in google returns this:
1) see command on first reply to original post
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=55892
2) if you want a longer reading and explanation (but same command)
https://www.howtogeek.com/312456/how-to-convert-between-fixed-and-dynamic-d…
Cheers
Michele
29 Nov
29 Nov
3:29 a.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On 2020/11/29 03:08 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Although after upgrading everything - and again, it could be a result of
the fixed size, HPLIP seems to have suffered a role-reversal.
I seriously doubt there is any sort of connection between how VB manages its disks and
HPLIP auto configuring your
printer. In fact when in your first email mentioned that it auto configured that, I was a
bit surprised :-)
Cheers
Michele
3:45 p.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On 11/28/20 10:29 PM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/11/29 03:08 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
I was surprised myself. I used the Debian image containing the LXQt
desktop to install, but I did not do anything afterwards to configure
the printer, so unless that image somehow added the printer
automatically during the installation, I can't explain it. :)
Although after upgrading everything - and again, it could be a result of
the fixed size, HPLIP seems to have suffered a role-reversal.
I seriously doubt there is any sort of connection between how VB
manages its disks and HPLIP auto configuring your printer. In fact
when in your first email mentioned that it auto configured that, I was
a bit surprised :-)
Cheers
Michele
30 Nov
30 Nov
11:56 a.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On 2020/11/30 12:45 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
I was surprised myself. I used the Debian image containing the LXQt
desktop to install, but I did not do anything afterwards to configure
the printer, so unless that image somehow added the printer
automatically during the installation, I can't explain it. :)
ok, that could a different. Maybe when installing LXQt there is some process checking and
setting up local printers in
CUPS, which would later be found in TDE as well.
Cheers
Michele
1:45 p.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On Monday 30 of November 2020 12:56:06 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/11/30 12:45 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
There is a cups-browsed package that could be the one responsible for
automatically installing printers.
Cheers
--
Slávek
I was surprised myself. I used the Debian image containing the LXQt
desktop to install, but I did not do anything afterwards to configure
the printer, so unless that image somehow added the printer
automatically during the installation, I can't explain it. :)
ok, that could a different. Maybe when installing LXQt there is some
process checking and setting up local printers in CUPS, which would
later be found in TDE as well.
Cheers
Michele
2:01 p.m.
New subject: [OT] VirtualBox, was: Trinity Slax LiveCD
On 11/30/20 8:45 AM, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 30 of November 2020 12:56:06 Michele Calgaro
via tde-users wrote:
Hi Slávek,
cups-browsed is listed as being installed now, but it's not included on
the original Debian image's list of packages. I guess when I installed
HPLIP, it must have included that package as a dependency. :)
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On 2020/11/30 12:45 AM, Edward via tde-users
wrote:
There is a cups-browsed package that could be the one responsible for
automatically installing printers.
Cheers
I was surprised myself. I used the Debian image containing the LXQt
desktop to install, but I did not do anything afterwards to configure
the printer, so unless that image somehow added the printer
automatically during the installation, I can't explain it. :)
ok, that could a
different. Maybe when installing LXQt there is some
process checking and setting up local printers in CUPS, which would
later be found in TDE as well.
Cheers
Michele
26 Nov
26 Nov
1:04 a.m.
New subject: Installing Thunderbird (was Trinity Slax LiveCD)
On 11/25/20 5:33 PM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
I may have partially resolved the issue.
Canonical's Snapcraft service
has the latest Thunderbird there, I would have to install the
'snapcraft' package, then install Thunderbird from Konsole.
For the Trinity/Debian install, would this be an 'acceptable' way of
getting the latest Thunderbird since Ubuntu has not provided 78.5, or
would it cause problems with the rest of the installed software?
Can't use the Snap or Flatpak Thunderbird with Trinity/Ubuntu.
Flatpak: package will not install, GPG errors.
Snap: Installs. But when selecting the Attach icon or its pull-down menu
selecting 'File(s)', it does nothing. Shouldn't it be opening a file
manager in Trinity?
1:48 a.m.
New subject: Installing Thunderbird (was Trinity Slax LiveCD)
On 11/25/20 8:04 PM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Can't use the Snap or Flatpak Thunderbird with Trinity/Ubuntu.
Flatpak: package will not install, GPG errors.
Snap: Installs. But when selecting the Attach icon or its pull-down menu
selecting 'File(s)', it does nothing. Shouldn't it be opening a file
manager in Trinity?
Received a bit of info from a friend who is a semi-retired Linux
software engineer:
When a program opens a file manager, it opens the file manager
associated with the graphics package it was built with. Since the snap
Thunderbird didn't open anything, whatever it was built with, is (1)
unknown and (2) clearly isn't part of Trinity and that is no one's fault.
I also read some brief info about issues with the Snap package. But
there is a PPA for Firefox ESR and Thunderbird stable builds from the
Debian Mozilla Team. I will add this PPA. Perhaps I'll have better luck.
2:29 a.m.
New subject: Installing Thunderbird (was Trinity Slax LiveCD)
On 11/25/20 8:48 PM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
I also read some brief info about issues with the Snap
package. But
there is a PPA for Firefox ESR and Thunderbird stable builds from the
Debian Mozilla Team. I will add this PPA. Perhaps I'll have better luck.
.../Ubuntu/ Mozilla team.
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5:55 a.m.
New subject: Installing Thunderbird (was Trinity Slax LiveCD)
On Thursday 26 November 2020 02.04:50 Edward via tde-users wrote:
Can't use the Snap or Flatpak Thunderbird with
Trinity/Ubuntu.
Flatpak: package will not install, GPG errors.
No experience
Snap: Installs. But when selecting the Attach icon or
its pull-down menu
selecting 'File(s)', it does nothing. Shouldn't it be opening a file
manager in Trinity?
No idea. I do have at least one snap app installes (Meshlab). I created a
launcher with eth following command: "/snap/bin/meshlab".
I'd guess it would be the same for other snaps.
Thierry
3:30 p.m.
New subject: Installing Thunderbird (was Trinity Slax LiveCD)
On 11/26/20 12:55 AM, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 26 November 2020 02.04:50 Edward via
tde-users wrote:
Hello Thierry,
The Thunderbird package from the Ubuntu Mozilla Team PPA installed
perfectly and runs fine.
I tried a different Snap package under Fedora a number of months back
and did not have a good experience with it.
Can't use the Snap or Flatpak Thunderbird
with Trinity/Ubuntu.
Flatpak: package will not install, GPG errors.
No experience
Snap: Installs. But when selecting the Attach
icon or its pull-down menu
selecting 'File(s)', it does nothing. Shouldn't it be opening a file
manager in Trinity?
No idea. I do have at least one snap app installes (Meshlab).
I created a
launcher with eth following command: "/snap/bin/meshlab".
I'd guess it would be the same for other snaps.
Thierry
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