Dear TDE users,
I understand this may be off-topic. I was trying to update skype on my openSUSE Leap 15.4 installation (I know this is no longer officially supported), but I discovered that skype is no longer provided as RPM, but only as SNAP.
I have never used SNAP. Can SNAP and RPM coexist in openSUSE Leap? Is that going to create conflicts?
Is there a way to extract files from the SNAP archive? All I see on the skype website is a button that says "Install" but not sure whether that installs directly or first downloads a file?
Thanks!
Gianluca
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said Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users:
| I understand this may be off-topic. I was trying to update skype on my | openSUSE Leap 15.4 installation (I know this is no longer officially | supported), but I discovered that skype is no longer provided as RPM, | but only as SNAP.
This is a sadly growing practice. Sunday, seeking to get access to the G'MIC filters in the GIMP I discovered that there are no plugins available yet for the GIMP 3.0-rc3. So I was limited (though it's not a real limitation, because Krita is very good) to Krita, which now has G'MIC built in. But going to the Krita site I found that the only compiled version for Linux is an appimage. At least it was that and not some Ubuntu scam. Sorry that this isn't true of Skype, but Skype has always been a little hinky.
On Wednesday 26 February 2025 21:14:23 dep via tde-users wrote:
But going to the Krita site I found that the only compiled version for Linux is an appimage.
It's available also as flatpak.
I tend to use flatpaks for KDE apps as this prevents KDE elements to be installed directly on my system.
Thierry
said Thierry de Coulon via tde-users: | On Wednesday 26 February 2025 21:14:23 dep via tde-users wrote: | > But going to the Krita site I found that the only compiled | > version for Linux is an appimage. | | It's available also as flatpak. | | I tend to use flatpaks for KDE apps as this prevents KDE elements to be | installed directly on my system.
These all-in-one packages could be useful -- well, not snap, because Ubuntu -- if they carried everything needed, even to run something from another OS. As it is, they're a wad of confusion.
Example: I use FreeTube on Debian 12 on my Raspberry PI 5 televisions. Which was just fine until recently. Then they built the latest Electron, which does not run on Raspberry. So I d/led the appimage of the latest version of FreeTube. No help. A system that is as we were told Java would be -- write once, run everywhere -- would be useful. Best I can tell, there isn't one. All appimage does for us is make it easy to cleanly delete when it doesn't work, at the price of lots of storage.
dep via tde-users wrote:
These all-in-one packages could be useful -- well, not snap, because Ubuntu -- if they carried everything needed, even to run something from another OS. As it is, they're a wad of confusion.
Example: I use FreeTube on Debian 12 on my Raspberry PI 5 televisions. Which was just fine until recently. Then they built the latest Electron, which does not run on Raspberry. So I d/led the appimage of the latest version of FreeTube. No help. A system that is as we were told Java would be -- write once, run everywhere -- would be useful. Best I can tell, there isn't one. All appimage does for us is make it easy to cleanly delete when it doesn't work, at the price of lots of storage.
First of all why did you hijack this topic? Secondly, I completely agree with you. Unfortunately my observation is that the past 20+ years produced a completely woke and dumb generation of imbeciles. We all know how TDE started and why, so around 2008 we can conclude they took over and now run most of everything with obvious results. NOTHING WORKS! Scary thing is those believe they can make cars and air planes too!
Now back to SNAP. I am not aware of OpenSUSE, but I had to install skype to the PC of my parents, as they are used to it. The PC is setup with Debian 12 and TDE. Everything is working just fine there. I refuse to insult my PC, so I run Skype in the WebGUI - I either use private window in FF (which is my primary browser) or run Chrome just for skype.
Now back to SNAP. I am not aware of OpenSUSE, but I had to install skype to the PC of my parents, as they are used to it. The PC is setup with Debian 12 and TDE. Everything is working just fine there. I refuse to insult my PC, so I run Skype in the WebGUI - I either use private window in FF (which is my primary browser) or run Chrome just for skype.
Just curious, did you install skype on your parents PC using SNAP?
I can't find much information about SNAP. Is this a way to re-package Ubuntu stuff for other distros? Does this carry the risk that an openSUSE installation would break (such as overwriting existing files)?
I wished I could just download a tarball of one of the latest skype versions.
Otherwise, I think I will be running skype just through the browser like you say.
Gianluca
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Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Just curious, did you install skype on your parents PC using SNAP?
yes - you asked in your question about snap. there is no other way ATM. I followed the instructions on the skype page.
I can't find much information about SNAP. Is this a way to re-package Ubuntu stuff for other distros? Does this carry the risk that an openSUSE installation would break (such as overwriting existing files)?
No, it is a way to make one-size-fit-it-all. Basically you package your application for SNAP and install using SNAP. Then SNAP takes care to run your application (it uses DBus for example to interact with your system) It is an abstraction layer.
I wished I could just download a tarball of one of the latest skype versions.
No ... they stopped working.
Otherwise, I think I will be running skype just through the browser like you say.
Yes, if you do not want to add snap to your PC, it works pretty good as well.
said deloptes via tde-users:
| First of all why did you hijack this topic?
Thanks for the accusation. Because you were kind enough to make it, I shall be kind enough to answer it.
My point was that the issue should be of concern to all of us because it isn't just Skype but many applications that are falling prey to snap/flatpak/appimage. That there might be a way to make them more useful but it is not employed.
And that even an application that was developed in and for Linux -- indeed, in KDE when it was still good -- is now available for Linux *only* as an appimage, which is a shame.
Sorry to have upset. Back to your parents' PC, the original topic.
On Wednesday 26 February 2025 23:18:15 dep via tde-users wrote:
My point was that the issue should be of concern to all of us because it isn't just Skype but many applications that are falling prey to snap/flatpak/appimage. That there might be a way to make them more useful but it is not employed.
They can be useful:
I wanted to install kscanpage, which is KDE stuff.
PC 1: I install it as flatpak, it finds my ScanSnap scanner. No KDE stuff installed directly on my system.
PC2: the flatpak install doesn't see the Epson scanner (maybe does not have some Epson drivers I had to install). I uninstalled the flatpak and installed kscanpage form the repository. Installed some KDE stuff but would not start. From cli I found out some things where missing. I had to install a bunch of other KDE stuff (without knowing what was really needed) and now kscanpage does work, but I have KDE stuff on my system that I probably never can remove because I don't know exactly what and where.
Maybe they could be made better, but in my experience flatpaks are useful, and sometimes even necessary: OpenBoard won't install outside of Ubuntu (dependancy problems) but the Flatpak works very well.
Another point that has not been raised: snaps require systemd. Flatpaks do not (my system does not use systemd, so it's out for snaps).
Thierry
On Thursday 27 February 2025 17:01:06 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
there are security consideration AFAIR. Who knows what is in the image? I am not sure if it is true, but didn't find the time to investigate.
What is your opinion, expertise if any?
No expertise at all - For me, I trust Flathub as I trust the distribution's repositories. I understand the question but I've never heard of any problem so far.
On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
They can be useful:
I wanted to install kscanpage, which is KDE stuff.
PC 1: I install it as flatpak, it finds my ScanSnap scanner. No KDE stuff installed directly on my system.
Does flatpak require a service to be running similar to snapd? Is flatpak also reliant on a backend store (run by Canonical or similar)?
My understanding from reading your replies is that snap/flatpak/appimage all consist in images that get mounted through loopback devices, right? Once mounted, can you look at individual files in the images, or is it like a black box?
I also read that snap makes booting slower and snapd adds load on the CPU (either when a snap package is running or always). There is also the issue that updates happen automatically and cannot be controlled by the user.
It seems that I cannot install snappy on openSUSE Leap 15.4 since it is no longer available in this (no longer officially supported) distribution, but only on Leap 15.5 and above. But I don't think I would do it otherwise since I have an alternative how to run skype if I need to.
Thanks for all your replies and conversation,
Gianluca
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On Thursday 27 February 2025 18:40:05 Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Does flatpak require a service to be running similar to snapd? Is flatpak also reliant on a backend store (run by Canonical or similar)?
I'm afraid I'm not able to answer your question. I found this explanation: "Flatpak is using OSTree, which is a kind of hardlink system. A hardlink is a way for the filesystem to point to the same object on disk from two or more different places."
For example, OpenBoard is started by: /usr/bin/flatpak run --branch=stable --arch=x86_64 --command=openboard --file-forwarding ch.openboard.OpenBoard @@ %f @@
As far as I understand, once the flatpak has been installed localy from flathub, it's run localy.
The downside is that the packages are quite big (they contain most, if not all dependancies). The advantage is that the program does not rely on the libraries installed with the distribution, so you can have programs that are newer than those included in the distro.
I don't master the other technical subtilities.
At least, flatpak is already installed by default in the openSUSE distribution. So it may be something more common than snap. It's good to know for the future.
Gianluca
On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 27 February 2025 18:40:05 Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Does flatpak require a service to be running similar to snapd? Is flatpak also reliant on a backend store (run by Canonical or similar)?
I'm afraid I'm not able to answer your question. I found this explanation: "Flatpak is using OSTree, which is a kind of hardlink system. A hardlink is a way for the filesystem to point to the same object on disk from two or more different places."
For example, OpenBoard is started by: /usr/bin/flatpak run --branch=stable --arch=x86_64 --command=openboard --file-forwarding ch.openboard.OpenBoard @@ %f @@
As far as I understand, once the flatpak has been installed localy from flathub, it's run localy.
The downside is that the packages are quite big (they contain most, if not all dependancies). The advantage is that the program does not rely on the libraries installed with the distribution, so you can have programs that are newer than those included in the distro.
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said Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users:
| My understanding from reading your replies is that snap/flatpak/appimage | all consist in images that get mounted through loopback devices, right? | Once mounted, can you look at individual files in the images, or is it | like a black box? | | I also read that snap makes booting slower and snapd adds load on the | CPU (either when a snap package is running or always). There is also the | issue that updates happen automatically and cannot be controlled by the | user. | | It seems that I cannot install snappy on openSUSE Leap 15.4 since it is | no longer available in this (no longer officially supported) | distribution, but only on Leap 15.5 and above. But I don't think I would | do it otherwise since I have an alternative how to run skype if I need | to.
Snap is an Ubuntu project and could well be spyware. The Snap technology is NOT open source. It is controlled by Canmonical, who used to be beloved (as was Google, once). It is tied to AppArmor and of course systemd. It is dangerous, imho.
Flatpak is a little -- but only a little -- less ominous.
AppImage is open source and GPL. Each app brings everything it needs, so it takes up substantial storage. It appears to be the safest of the three. Like anything, it could be abused, but the likelihood of offending packages being caught is greater, probably than Flatpak and certainly than Snap. AppImages come as one executable file, so looking inside best I can tell.
The adoption of all these is worrisome. That's why I mentioned and was troubled by such applications as Krita being available for Linux from the site only as an appimage.
I believe based on some research that only Snap runs a daemon.
I am so glad I shitcanned Ubuntu for Debian.
The adoption of all these is worrisome.
I wonder about the following: If we wanted a package that includes all dependencies, why not provide a tarball with all dependencies? Then, I can decide where to unpack it and set the library paths for example through a config script. This is already done for many applications.
Gianluca
On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, dep via tde-users wrote:
said Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users:
| My understanding from reading your replies is that snap/flatpak/appimage | all consist in images that get mounted through loopback devices, right? | Once mounted, can you look at individual files in the images, or is it | like a black box? | | I also read that snap makes booting slower and snapd adds load on the | CPU (either when a snap package is running or always). There is also the | issue that updates happen automatically and cannot be controlled by the | user. | | It seems that I cannot install snappy on openSUSE Leap 15.4 since it is | no longer available in this (no longer officially supported) | distribution, but only on Leap 15.5 and above. But I don't think I would | do it otherwise since I have an alternative how to run skype if I need | to.
Snap is an Ubuntu project and could well be spyware. The Snap technology is NOT open source. It is controlled by Canmonical, who used to be beloved (as was Google, once). It is tied to AppArmor and of course systemd. It is dangerous, imho.
Flatpak is a little -- but only a little -- less ominous.
AppImage is open source and GPL. Each app brings everything it needs, so it takes up substantial storage. It appears to be the safest of the three. Like anything, it could be abused, but the likelihood of offending packages being caught is greater, probably than Flatpak and certainly than Snap. AppImages come as one executable file, so looking inside best I can tell.
The adoption of all these is worrisome. That's why I mentioned and was troubled by such applications as Krita being available for Linux from the site only as an appimage.
I believe based on some research that only Snap runs a daemon.
I am so glad I shitcanned Ubuntu for Debian.
dep
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On Thursday 27 February 2025 23:52:29 Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
The adoption of all these is worrisome.
I wonder about the following: If we wanted a package that includes all dependencies, why not provide a tarball with all dependencies? Then, I can decide where to unpack it and set the library paths for example through a config script. This is already done for many applications.
Gianluca
I think that's not their idea. Wether snaps or flatpaks, you just choose the application in a list and click "install".
The goal of these systems is a) to make it easy for the user to install b) to make it easy for the developper to distribute the app c) to make it distribution independant
For me it's OK as long as such system is not forces on you. Here on MX-Linux it's an alternative to standard install, you don't have to use it.
Cases where it was useful to me:
OpenBoard that otherwise oinly installs on *buntu Darktable that is only provide as an old version (and lacks support for newer raw formats KDE applications that would require "polluting" my system with KDE binaries
Downsides: Takes a lot of place As we have seen some see decurity issues Must be updated on their own
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 27 February 2025 23:52:29 Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
The adoption of all these is worrisome.
I wonder about the following: If we wanted a package that includes all dependencies, why not provide a tarball with all dependencies? Then, I can decide where to unpack it and set the library paths for example through a config script. This is already done for many applications.
Gianluca
I think that's not their idea. Wether snaps or flatpaks, you just choose the application in a list and click "install".
The goal of these systems is a) to make it easy for the user to install b) to make it easy for the developper to distribute the app c) to make it distribution independant
I'm not a developer or maintainer. snaps/flatpaks may have their advantages. I just don't see why providing a tarball for download does not satisfy the three points above. You can make the tarball distribution-independant by including all the necessary dependencies. This is for examples the case with firefox (to a certain extent).
For me it's OK as long as such system is not forces on you. Here on MX-Linux it's an alternative to standard install, you don't have to use it.
Cases where it was useful to me:
OpenBoard that otherwise oinly installs on *buntu Darktable that is only provide as an old version (and lacks support for newer raw formats KDE applications that would require "polluting" my system with KDE binaries
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:52:53 -0800 (PST) Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Is there a way to extract files from the SNAP archive?
It looks like SNAPs may use squashfs internally. Or at least, some Gentoo overlay ebuilds use that method to unpack the SNAP for recent versions of Skype. It's worth a try, anyway.
The URLs used to fetch the raw SNAP file are ugly:
# fetch snap dl url from: # curl -H 'Snap-Device-Series: 16' http://api.snapcraft.io/v2/snaps/info/skype # "url": "https://api.snapcraft.io/api/v1/snaps/download/QRDEfjn4WJYnm0FzDKwqqRZZI77aw..." # }, # "revision": 333, => patch level (_p) # "version": "8.114.0.214" => version
Hope that helps a bit.
E. Liddell
Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Hello Gianluca,
I just read that Skype is going to be decommissioned by 5.5.2025 [1]
You can migrate your account to Teams-Free by 5.5.
For Linux you can use the Power Web App or an unofficial port [2]
I tried the unofficial port and it works fine, although for some reason I see my older skype contacts, but not of my parents :D thus I could not test if all works.
[1] https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/28/microsoft-hangs-up-on-skype-service-to-shu... [2] https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux
Hello all,
I haven't followed the whole thread but on the topic of MS Teams I remember there is also a Pidgin (libpurple) protocol plugin that supports it, otherwise one can use the official online client from the browser without problem.
-- Philippe MAVRIDIS
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Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Hello Gianluca,
I just read that Skype is going to be decommissioned by 5.5.2025 [1]
You can migrate your account to Teams-Free by 5.5.
For Linux you can use the Power Web App or an unofficial port [2]
I tried the unofficial port and it works fine, although for some reason I see my older skype contacts, but not of my parents :D thus I could not test if all works.
[1] https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/28/microsoft-hangs-up-on-skype-service-to-shu... [2] https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux
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On Sunday 02 March 2025 22:06:22 blu.256 via tde-users wrote:
Hello all,
I haven't followed the whole thread but on the topic of MS Teams I remember there is also a Pidgin (libpurple) protocol plugin that supports it, otherwise one can use the official online client from the browser without problem.
-- Philippe MAVRIDIS
Depending what you want to / have to do with Teams, fi you're using a Debian based distribution, Microsofts "Teams Preview" still woks (at least as far as Debian 11) and had a *.deb package (no more online, but I stll have it).
Thierry
Dear all,
I have actually started using Google Meet and asked my contacts to move to that. It works pretty well, more stable than skype. Users with android phones already have it installed by default, so I can just call them through their gmail address. People with iPhone/iPads I ask them to download the Google Meet app and login with their gmail account.
The only thing is that I still have credit for skype out (only a few dollar). I guess I may switch to the free Teams app just to use up the credit. I may also forgo it and then consider using whatsapp for voice over IP. I liked skype for the reason that I had one app for video calls and voice over IP. whatsapp can also do both but always needs a phone numer associated.
I miss the times when skype was independent, then MS bought it and we were forced upgrades and a constantly changing interface. I also liked that skype was peer-to-peer instead of going through a platform.
Gianluca
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Sunday 02 March 2025 22:06:22 blu.256 via tde-users wrote:
Hello all,
I haven't followed the whole thread but on the topic of MS Teams I remember there is also a Pidgin (libpurple) protocol plugin that supports it, otherwise one can use the official online client from the browser without problem.
-- Philippe MAVRIDIS
Depending what you want to / have to do with Teams, fi you're using a Debian based distribution, Microsofts "Teams Preview" still woks (at least as far as Debian 11) and had a *.deb package (no more online, but I stll have it).
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On Sunday 02 March 2025 13:37:09 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Sunday 02 March 2025 22:06:22 blu.256 via tde-users wrote:
Hello all,
I haven't followed the whole thread but on the topic of MS Teams I remember there is also a Pidgin (libpurple) protocol plugin that supports it, otherwise one can use the official online client from the browser without problem.
-- Philippe MAVRIDIS
Depending what you want to / have to do with Teams, fi you're using a Debian based distribution, Microsofts "Teams Preview" still woks (at least as far as Debian 11) and had a *.deb package (no more online, but I stll have it).
Thierry
Sorry to crash this party ... but if there were ever an off-topic topic that I might want to crash, this off-topic topic would be it. (Just had to put that bit in, as this is one of our wilder and weirder threads.)
Okay, so I don't actually use Skype, and my experiments with voice calls are so far limited to Linphone, and not much of that. I don't need much. (Linphone seems to work pretty well, but I haven't done much more than to install it on my home computers, as well as my phone.) As far as I know, Linphone also supports video calls; I don't think it can make calls to other clients such as Skype. It can make calls to landlines, cellular phones, etc., but only buy purchasing a special account.
I do use Psi-Plus, however, which so far I have liked better than any other xmpp/jabber or other chat client, ever; better than Kopete, Pidgin, and a few others that I've tried.
When I read that another person recommended using Skype via Pidgin, it occured to me that Psi-Plus (or Psi+) probably supports Skype, or at least audio and video calls; and sure enough, it does.
https://appmus.com/vs/psi--vs-skype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_%28instant_messaging_client%29
As for how, and how well it does it, I don't know. I used to chat online a lot, but these days I rarely come out from under my rock, except for food and books, and even my online activity is almost reduced to the Trinity mailing list. So I haven't explored the possibilities here. I am only saying that I am very impressed with Psi-Plus, and have only explored a little of its capabilities, but it seems much farther advanced than similar applications.
If anybody would like to try it out with me, just for testing purposes, or because they are bored, I have several xmpp/jabber IDs, but no longer much reason to use chat.
Bill
Okay, so I don't actually use Skype, and my experiments with voice calls are so far limited to Linphone, and not much of that. I don't need much. (Linphone seems to work pretty well, but I haven't done much more than to install it on my home computers, as well as my phone.) As far as I know, Linphone also supports video calls; I don't think it can make calls to other clients such as Skype. It can make calls to landlines, cellular phones, etc., but only buy purchasing a special account.
I do use Psi-Plus, however, which so far I have liked better than any other xmpp/jabber or other chat client, ever; better than Kopete, Pidgin, and a few others that I've tried.
Thanks Bill. I will look into those. It is important to mention, as has been reported here and I just found out, that skype will be "killed" on May 5. So there is no requirement that any application would work with skype. Good to know about linphone as a pay voice over IP. I often call Europe and international calls are expensive with US plans.
Best,
Gianluca
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Sunday 02 March 2025 13:37:09 Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Sunday 02 March 2025 22:06:22 blu.256 via tde-users wrote:
Hello all,
I haven't followed the whole thread but on the topic of MS Teams I remember there is also a Pidgin (libpurple) protocol plugin that supports it, otherwise one can use the official online client from the browser without problem.
-- Philippe MAVRIDIS
Depending what you want to / have to do with Teams, fi you're using a Debian based distribution, Microsofts "Teams Preview" still woks (at least as far as Debian 11) and had a *.deb package (no more online, but I stll have it).
Thierry
Sorry to crash this party ... but if there were ever an off-topic topic that I might want to crash, this off-topic topic would be it. (Just had to put that bit in, as this is one of our wilder and weirder threads.)
Okay, so I don't actually use Skype, and my experiments with voice calls are so far limited to Linphone, and not much of that. I don't need much. (Linphone seems to work pretty well, but I haven't done much more than to install it on my home computers, as well as my phone.) As far as I know, Linphone also supports video calls; I don't think it can make calls to other clients such as Skype. It can make calls to landlines, cellular phones, etc., but only buy purchasing a special account.
I do use Psi-Plus, however, which so far I have liked better than any other xmpp/jabber or other chat client, ever; better than Kopete, Pidgin, and a few others that I've tried.
When I read that another person recommended using Skype via Pidgin, it occured to me that Psi-Plus (or Psi+) probably supports Skype, or at least audio and video calls; and sure enough, it does.
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As for how, and how well it does it, I don't know. I used to chat online a lot, but these days I rarely come out from under my rock, except for food and books, and even my online activity is almost reduced to the Trinity mailing list. So I haven't explored the possibilities here. I am only saying that I am very impressed with Psi-Plus, and have only explored a little of its capabilities, but it seems much farther advanced than similar applications.
If anybody would like to try it out with me, just for testing purposes, or because they are bored, I have several xmpp/jabber IDs, but no longer much reason to use chat.
Bill
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On Sunday 02 March 2025 19:33:57 Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Thanks Bill. I will look into those. It is important to mention, as has been reported here and I just found out, that skype will be "killed" on May 5. So there is no requirement that any application would work with skype. Good to know about linphone as a pay voice over IP. I often call Europe and international calls are expensive with US plans.
Best,
Gianluca
The problem, for anybody who works in the mainstream of business or STEM, is that they are forced to use proprietary software.
I did see the bit about Skype being killed; which doesn't break my heart, as it was proprietary, anyway. But the song remains the same, which is how to get a GNU/Linux free/libre application to work with proprietary software like Skype, or whatever will replace Skype as the application used by "most people" who aren't Linux geeks who wish to remain free (as in freedom), as well as not to spend too much money.
Glad to hear that Linphone might work for your needs. I am curious to see what will replace Skype in the mainstream world.
Bill
On Sunday 02 March 2025 19:33:57 Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Thanks Bill. I will look into those. It is important to mention, as has been reported here and I just found out, that skype will be "killed" on May 5. So there is no requirement that any application would work with skype. Good to know about linphone as a pay voice over IP. I often call Europe and international calls are expensive with US plans.
I did see the bit about Skype being killed; which doesn't break my heart, as it was proprietary, anyway. But the song remains the same, which is how to get a GNU/Linux free/libre application to work with proprietary software like Skype, or whatever will replace Skype as the application used by "most people" who aren't Linux geeks who wish to remain free (as in freedom), as well as not to spend too much money.
I think that today for informal (non-businness) calls, Google Meet and whatsapp have become very popular.
Gianluca
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Department of Bioengineering University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. -----------------------------------------------------
Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
I think that today for informal (non-businness) calls, Google Meet and whatsapp have become very popular.
so do Signal and Telegram
if I am not mistaken you can buy subscription and use PSTN
But I recall that I was looking into SIP providers in the past. They are (were) cheaper than local telecom.
Somehow unrelated but I wanted to write a client for TDE that would utilize the HSP bluetooth protocol, so that I can call over the headset via the mobile. Unfortunately I never find time to work on it :/ and it hangs in the backlog. On the command line it works :), should be also working with SIP phone
BR
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