3 Mar
2020
3 Mar
'20
3:11 p.m.
I thought it was perfectly safe to execute "apt autoremove", which I was under
the impression simply cleaned up old, unused .deb files. Apparently I was
wrong, in a major way :-(
After executing autoremove and rebooting, my TDE desktop is missing all the
widgets that used to be on the desktop and in the panels. Worse, I can't find
them to re-add them to the desktop/panel any more. To give just one example, I
used to run superkaramba; now it can't be found anywhere and I can't add it to
the panel.
What do I need to do to get back my wonderful, functional desktop?
That's the last time I trust "autoremove" to do the right thing....
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3 Mar
3 Mar
5:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] [FIXED] Re: autoremove removed TDE widgets
D. R. Evans wrote on 3/3/20 8:11 AM:
I thought it was perfectly safe to execute "apt
autoremove", which I was under
the impression simply cleaned up old, unused .deb files. Apparently I was
wrong, in a major way :-(
After executing autoremove and rebooting, my TDE desktop is missing all the
widgets that used to be on the desktop and in the panels. Worse, I can't find
them to re-add them to the desktop/panel any more. To give just one example, I
used to run superkaramba; now it can't be found anywhere and I can't add it to
the panel.
What do I need to do to get back my wonderful, functional desktop?
That's the last time I trust "autoremove" to do the right thing....
I think I have all of them back, although, weirdly, some of them look
different now. autoremove seems to have quite happily removed some of the
actual installed binaries, not just no-longer-used .deb files. I had to
manually reinstall a bunch of TDE-related packages that the system regarded as
no longer installed (although, weirdly, the .deb files were still around and
did not need to be re-downloaded).
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5:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] [FIXED] Re: autoremove removed TDE widgets
On 03/03/2020 09:18 AM, D. R. Evans wrote:
autoremove seems to have quite happily removed some of
the
actual installed binaries, not just no-longer-used .deb files.
That's what autoremove does. You're confusing it with autoclean, which
removes old package files that can no longer be downloaded. You might want
to reference the man page for apt-get.
Glad you got your desktop fixed.
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6:29 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] [FIXED] Re: autoremove removed TDE widgets
Dne út 3. března 2020 Dan Youngquist napsal(a):
On 03/03/2020 09:18 AM, D. R. Evans wrote:
I do not assume that D.R. was confused and used the autoremove instead of
autoclean. Autoclean has a completely different task and has no effect on
the installed packages at all - it just clean in /var/cache/apt - and it
is usually better to use apt clean for that purpose anyway.
In any case, autoremove should be safe. I also commonly use it. Therefore,
I am concerned that this is at least the second occurence when it had
unexpected behavior.
What distribution and version do you use? The first thing that comes to my
mind is that some packages incorrectly use "Replaces:" so that it refers
to itself. If a newer version of apt / apt-get for autoremove evaluates
unnecessary packages based on Replaces, this could cause such unwanted
behavior.
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autoremove seems to have quite happily removed
some of the
actual installed binaries, not just no-longer-used .deb files.
That's what autoremove does. You're confusing it with autoclean, which
removes old package files that can no longer be downloaded. You might
want to reference the man page for apt-get.
Glad you got your desktop fixed. 
6:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] [FIXED] Re: autoremove removed TDE widgets
I wonder if he was trying to run deb-orphan. I don't use it alot but this
is what it sounds like.
https://debian-administration.org/article/134/Removing_unnecessary_packages…
7:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] [FIXED] Re: autoremove removed TDE widgets
Pisini, John wrote on 3/3/20 11:36 AM:
I wonder if he was trying to run deb-orphan. I
don't use it alot but this
is what it sounds like.
https://debian-administration.org/article/134/Removing_unnecessary_packages…
Nope. I was just following the system's suggestion to use autoremove to free
up some disk space. The irony is that it was just me trying to be tidy:
there's plenty of disk space, and the 400MB I saved isn't even noticeable. It
certainly wasn't worth the hour or so it took to get everything back as it
should be.
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7:21 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] [FIXED] Re: autoremove removed TDE widgets
Slávek Banko wrote on 3/3/20 11:29 AM:
Dne út 3. března 2020 Dan Youngquist napsal(a):
debian stable, kept up-to-date.
I was installing something this morning (I don't even remember what, after all
the kerfuffle of trying to get my desktop back), and as part of that process
was given a long list of packages that apt said I could safely remove by using
autoremove, and that would save >400MB. That's why I did it; I won't be doing
it again [as long as I remember this experience].
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On 03/03/2020 09:18 AM, D. R. Evans wrote:
I do not assume that D.R. was confused and used the autoremove instead of
autoclean. Autoclean has a completely different task and has no effect on
the installed packages at all - it just clean in /var/cache/apt - and it
is usually better to use apt clean for that purpose anyway.
In any case, autoremove should be safe. I also commonly use it. Therefore,
I am concerned that this is at least the second occurence when it had
unexpected behavior.
What distribution and version do you use? The first thing that comes to my autoremove seems to have quite happily removed
some of the
actual installed binaries, not just no-longer-used .deb files.
That's what autoremove does. You're confusing it with autoclean, which
removes old package files that can no longer be downloaded. You might
want to reference the man page for apt-get.
Glad you got your desktop fixed.
7:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] [FIXED] Re: autoremove removed TDE widgets
On 03/03/2020 10:29 AM, Slávek Banko wrote:
I do not assume that D.R. was confused and used the
autoremove instead
of autoclean.
I didn't assume. In both posts he described autoclean's function, but said
he expected autoremove to do it.
On 03/03/2020 11:21 AM, D. R. Evans wrote:
I was installing something this morning (I don't
even remember what, after all
the kerfuffle of trying to get my desktop back), and as part of that process
was given a long list of packages that apt said I could safely remove by using
autoremove, and that would save >400MB.
Slavek is correct that autoremove shouldn't have uninstalled packages that
were still in use, but I'm wondering if maybe there was a good reason it
thought they were no longer required. Since you installed Trinity, have you
uninstalled any of the metapackages, but left the packages they installed?
That would make apt-get think the packages they installed were no longer
needed, and autoremove would uninstall them.
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