Re: [trinity-users] Thoughts & wishes about the Trinity project status and its future...
Hi, I have a few questions about the Trinity project status,(part of them
seem to have been partially discussed on the list):
- Is Trinity endorsed in any way by the KDE project (except the share
of sources repository)?
Not that I know of.
- Are there original KDE3 developpers involved in Trinity development?
If so, I'd really like to know if they do it because KDE4 broke too much
things (and/or they consider a desktop environment should not break things this way)?
Only incidentally, in that I pull updates from the kdepim Enterprise branch, which is still maintained by an original KDE3 developer/development team.
- What are the long term perspectives about Trinity? Will Trinity become something different than KDE3 or it keep it as
close as possible?
As close as possible in terms of look and feel, but new features will still be added where they would improve the functionality of the desktop environment (e.g. krandrtray). Users can always disable new features from the control panel, as providing that option is a requirement for patch submission.
I mean, the move from KDE3 to KDE4 changed & broke a lots of thingsthat I used to work with since 2004. I'd really like a desktop environment that doesn't change too much, that keeps its basis stable
(eg. themes can evolve, apps be improved, but keep it functionally the same!).
By the end, I really think it's a matter of "respect for users": if one
changes things like KDE4 did, what do we have to think about respect they have (or don't have) for their users? OK KDE4 is beautiful, etc. but it's deaply another desktop environment (also deeply slow in some particular configurations such as konsole/nvidia ships), so why should I continue to use KDE desktops? I almost think KDE4 should have change its name to something else OR... KDE3 should have been officially
maintained... or Trinity officially endorsed (is that the case?)!
KDE won't change its name, but KDE3 has changed its name to Trinity. So, KDE3 == Trinity, KDE == KDE4, but KDE3 != KDE4.
So, what's going on? Thank you, Nicolas PS: Do you have an idea about the approximate number of Trinity users?
It seems this list is always growing...
Not sure! I know we had 3000+ downloads of the Maverick Desktop LiveCD from one mirror alone last month, but the actual user number may be much higher.
Hope this helps!
Tim
On 13/01/2011 20:48, Timothy Pearson wrote:
Hi, I have a few questions about the Trinity project status,(part of them
seem to have been partially discussed on the list):
- Is Trinity endorsed in any way by the KDE project (except the share
of sources repository)?
Not that I know of.
- Are there original KDE3 developpers involved in Trinity development?
If so, I'd really like to know if they do it because KDE4 broke too much
things (and/or they consider a desktop environment should not break things this way)?
Only incidentally, in that I pull updates from the kdepim Enterprise branch, which is still maintained by an original KDE3 developer/development team.
- What are the long term perspectives about Trinity? Will Trinity become something different than KDE3 or it keep it as
close as possible?
As close as possible in terms of look and feel, but new features will still be added where they would improve the functionality of the desktop environment (e.g. krandrtray). Users can always disable new features from the control panel, as providing that option is a requirement for patch submission.
I mean, the move from KDE3 to KDE4 changed& broke a lots of thingsthat I used to work with since 2004. I'd really like a desktop environment that doesn't change too much, that keeps its basis stable
(eg. themes can evolve, apps be improved, but keep it functionally the same!).
By the end, I really think it's a matter of "respect for users": if one
changes things like KDE4 did, what do we have to think about respect they have (or don't have) for their users? OK KDE4 is beautiful, etc. but it's deaply another desktop environment (also deeply slow in some particular configurations such as konsole/nvidia ships), so why should I continue to use KDE desktops? I almost think KDE4 should have change its name to something else OR... KDE3 should have been officially
maintained... or Trinity officially endorsed (is that the case?)!
KDE won't change its name, but KDE3 has changed its name to Trinity. So, KDE3 == Trinity, KDE == KDE4, but KDE3 != KDE4.
So, what's going on? Thank you, Nicolas PS: Do you have an idea about the approximate number of Trinity users?
It seems this list is always growing...
Not sure! I know we had 3000+ downloads of the Maverick Desktop LiveCD from one mirror alone last month, but the actual user number may be much higher.
Hope this helps!
Tim
Thank you, I'm always happy to read answers!
I forget to ask: On the Debian side, is Trinity planned to be maintained officially by Debian developpers? (event if the packages will stay in testing/sid repos) This could be nice, maybe we (Debian users) should ask for it via the official Debian procedure.
Nicolas
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 09:27 +0100, Nicolas BERCHER wrote: <snip>
I forget to ask: On the Debian side, is Trinity planned to be maintained officially by Debian developpers? (event if the packages will stay in testing/sid repos) This could be nice, maybe we (Debian users) should ask for it via the official Debian procedure.
Nicolas
I'd love to see that - John
On Friday 14 January 2011 12:52:24 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 09:27 +0100, Nicolas BERCHER wrote:
<snip>
I forget to ask: On the Debian side, is Trinity planned to be maintained officially by Debian developpers? (event if the packages will stay in testing/sid repos) This could be nice, maybe we (Debian users) should ask for it via the official Debian procedure.
Nicolas
I'd love to see that - John
+1 That would be tremendous!
Lisi
On 14/01/2011 16:43, Lisi wrote:
On Friday 14 January 2011 12:52:24 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 09:27 +0100, Nicolas BERCHER wrote:
<snip>
I forget to ask: On the Debian side, is Trinity planned to be maintained officially by Debian developpers? (event if the packages will stay in testing/sid repos) This could be nice, maybe we (Debian users) should ask for it via the official Debian procedure.
Nicolas
I'd love to see that - John
+1 That would be tremendous!
Lisi
OK, so maybe we all have to inform Debian developers. I don't remember the exact procedure to do so but I have papers & docs about it, I can summarize it somewhere (here or not). N.
On Saturday 15 January 2011 12:04:25 Nicolas BERCHER wrote:
On 14/01/2011 16:43, Lisi wrote:
On Friday 14 January 2011 12:52:24 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 09:27 +0100, Nicolas BERCHER wrote:
<snip>
I forget to ask: On the Debian side, is Trinity planned to be maintained officially by Debian developpers? (event if the packages will stay in testing/sid repos) This could be nice, maybe we (Debian users) should ask for it via the official Debian procedure.
Nicolas
I'd love to see that - John
+1 That would be tremendous!
Lisi
OK, so maybe we all have to inform Debian developers. I don't remember the exact procedure to do so but I have papers & docs about it, I can summarize it somewhere (here or not). N.
That would be very helpful.
Lisi
On Saturday 15 January 2011 12:04:25 Nicolas BERCHER wrote:
On 14/01/2011 16:43, Lisi wrote:
On Friday 14 January 2011 12:52:24 John A. Sullivan III wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 09:27 +0100, Nicolas BERCHER wrote:
<snip>
I forget to ask: On the Debian side, is Trinity planned to be maintained officially by Debian developpers? (event if the packages will stay in testing/sid repos) This could be nice, maybe we (Debian users) should ask for it via
the
official Debian procedure.
Nicolas
I'd love to see that - John
+1 That would be tremendous!
Lisi
OK, so maybe we all have to inform Debian developers. I don't remember the exact procedure to do so but I have papers & docs about it, I can summarize it somewhere (here or not). N.
That would be very helpful.
Lisi
Maybe put the summary on the developers web of the Wiki? E.g. on this page: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Developers/DebianAcceptanc...
Just a suggestion...
Tim
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