I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm program. They have improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but it means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list as on this one, and I get his messages there, so it must in some way be due to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
Lisi
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <quote> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net mailing list.
I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at trinity-users-owner@lists.pearsoncomputing.net.
Messages to you from the trinity-users mailing list seem to have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce message I received.
If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces, I will remove your address from the trinity-users mailing list, without further notice.
Copies of these messages may be in the archive. [snip]
Here are the message numbers:
9751 9753 9755 9759 9770 9771 9773 9775 9778 9780 9787 9802 9807 9815 9820
--- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. [snip]
lisi.reisz@gmail.com: host alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.141.27] said: 550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from yahoo.com is not accepted due to domain's 550-5.7.1 DMARC policy. Please contact administrator of yahoo.com domain if 550-5.7.1 this was a legitimate mail. Please visit 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690 to learn about DMARC 550 5.7.1 initiative. h192si57227017vka.138 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command) </quote>
The email address in question is elsewhere said to be: deloptes@yahoo.com
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000 Lisi Reisz lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm program. They have improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but it means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list as on this one, and I get his messages there, so it must in some way be due to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC, basically telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields if they a not coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that request and reject deloptes messages to the list because they a coming from TDE servers.
The possible solutions are a. (best) convince deloptes to resubscribe to list using different address (actually many lists block subscriptions to them using yahoo addresses) b. yourself resubscribe to list using an address which ignores DMARC c. convince trinity maillists admins to change ezmlm settings so its "takes ownership" of the messages (but this mangles From field among other things, so many consider this to be a bad solution).
On Monday 11 January 2016 20:51:26 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000
Lisi Reisz lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm program. They have improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but it means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list as on this one, and I get his messages there, so it must in some way be due to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC, basically telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields if they a not coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that request and reject deloptes messages to the list because they a coming from TDE servers.
Thanks for the explanation, Nick. But why do I get the Debian list ones? Presumably they take ownership, do they?
Lisi
The possible solutions are a. (best) convince deloptes to resubscribe to list using different address (actually many lists block subscriptions to them using yahoo addresses) b. yourself resubscribe to list using an address which ignores DMARC c. convince trinity maillists admins to change ezmlm settings so its "takes ownership" of the messages (but this mangles From field among other things, so many consider this to be a bad solution).
On Tuesday 12 January 2016 00:36:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 20:51:26 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000
Lisi Reisz lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm program. They have improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but it means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list as on this one, and I get his messages there, so it must in some way be due to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC, basically telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields if they a not coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that request and reject deloptes messages to the list because they a coming from TDE servers.
Thanks for the explanation, Nick. But why do I get the Debian list ones? Presumably they take ownership, do they?
They "resend" it, whatever they mean by that. So it says sent from Joe Blogs, resent from debian-user@lists.debian.org That requires a lot of mauling does it?
Lisi
Lisi
The possible solutions are a. (best) convince deloptes to resubscribe to list using different address (actually many lists block subscriptions to them using yahoo addresses) b. yourself resubscribe to list using an address which ignores DMARC c. convince trinity maillists admins to change ezmlm settings so its "takes ownership" of the messages (but this mangles From field among other things, so many consider this to be a bad solution).
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:46:31 +0000 Lisi Reisz lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday 12 January 2016 00:36:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 20:51:26 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000
Lisi Reisz lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm program. They have improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but it means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list as on this one, and I get his messages there, so it must in some way be due to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC, basically telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields if they a not coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that request and reject deloptes messages to the list because they a coming from TDE servers.
Thanks for the explanation, Nick. But why do I get the Debian list ones? Presumably they take ownership, do they?
They "resend" it, whatever they mean by that. So it says sent from Joe Blogs, resent from debian-user@lists.debian.org That requires a lot of mauling does it?
Well, i am not exactly sure what are the minimum changed required to make DMARC happy, i never run a DMARC compatible list myself. Looking through the lists i subscribed to there maybe even some way to leave From intact. Quck googling says that ezmlm added some DMARC support started with version 7.2.0, so you may try to talk to the list admins about it.
Lisi
The possible solutions are a. (best) convince deloptes to resubscribe to list using different address (actually many lists block subscriptions to them using yahoo addresses) b. yourself resubscribe to list using an address which ignores DMARC c. convince trinity maillists admins to change ezmlm settings so its "takes ownership" of the messages (but this mangles From field among other things, so many consider this to be a bad solution).
On Tuesday 12 January 2016 01:58:55 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:46:31 +0000
Lisi Reisz lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday 12 January 2016 00:36:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 20:51:26 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000
Lisi Reisz lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm program. They have improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but it means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list as on this one, and I get his messages there, so it must in some way be due to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC, basically telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields if they a not coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that request and reject deloptes messages to the list because they a coming from TDE servers.
Thanks for the explanation, Nick. But why do I get the Debian list ones? Presumably they take ownership, do they?
They "resend" it, whatever they mean by that. So it says sent from Joe Blogs, resent from debian-user@lists.debian.org That requires a lot of mauling does it?
Well, i am not exactly sure what are the minimum changed required to make DMARC happy, i never run a DMARC compatible list myself. Looking through the lists i subscribed to there maybe even some way to leave From intact. Quck googling says that ezmlm added some DMARC support started with version 7.2.0, so you may try to talk to the list admins about it.
Thanks, Nick. Yes, Debian does seem to leave the From intact. If one replies carelessly the reply goes to author not list!!
Lisi
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