11 Jan
2016
11 Jan
'16
5:54 p.m.
I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm program. They have
improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not if
*I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but it means
that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error message that I
am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both deloptes and I use
exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list as on this one, and I get
his messages there, so it must in some way be due to ezmlm. Is there
anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
Lisi
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<quote>
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net mailing list.
I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at trinity-users-owner(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net.
Messages to you from the trinity-users mailing list seem to
have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce
message I received.
If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces,
I will remove your address from the trinity-users mailing list,
without further notice.
Copies of these messages may be in the archive.
[snip]
Here are the message numbers:
9751
9753
9755
9759
9770
9771
9773
9775
9778
9780
9787
9802
9807
9815
9820
--- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received.
[snip]
<lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com>om>: host alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.141.27]
said: 550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from yahoo.com is not accepted due
to
domain's 550-5.7.1 DMARC policy. Please contact administrator of yahoo.com
domain if 550-5.7.1 this was a legitimate mail. Please visit 550-5.7.1
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690 to learn about DMARC 550
5.7.1 initiative. h192si57227017vka.138 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA
command)
</quote>
The email address in question is elsewhere said to be:
deloptes(a)yahoo.com
11 Jan
11 Jan
8:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Messages bouncing again
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm
program. They have
improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not
if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but it
means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error
message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both
deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list as
on this one, and I get his messages there, so it must in some way be due
to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC, basically
telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields if they a not
coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that request and reject
deloptes messages to the list because they a coming from TDE servers.
The possible solutions are
a. (best) convince deloptes to resubscribe to list using different address
(actually many lists block subscriptions to them using yahoo addresses)
b. yourself resubscribe to list using an address which ignores DMARC
c. convince trinity maillists admins to change ezmlm settings so its "takes
ownership" of the messages (but this mangles From field among other
things, so many consider this to be a bad solution).
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
12 Jan
12 Jan
12:36 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Messages bouncing again
On Monday 11 January 2016 20:51:26 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the explanation, Nick. But why do I get the Debian list ones?
Presumably they take ownership, do they?
Lisi
I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm
program. They have
improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not
if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but it
means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error
message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both
deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list as
on this one, and I get his messages there, so it must in some way be due
to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC, basically
telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields if they a not
coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that request and reject
deloptes messages to the list because they a coming from TDE servers.
The possible solutions are
a. (best) convince deloptes to resubscribe to list using different address
(actually many lists block subscriptions to them using yahoo addresses)
b. yourself resubscribe to list using an address which ignores DMARC
c. convince trinity maillists admins to change ezmlm settings so its "takes
ownership" of the messages (but this mangles From field among other
things, so many consider this to be a bad solution).
12:46 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Messages bouncing again
On Tuesday 12 January 2016 00:36:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 11 January 2016 20:51:26 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
They "resend" it, whatever they mean by that. So it says sent from Joe Blogs,
resent from debian-user(a)lists.debian.org That requires a lot of mauling does
it?
Lisi
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the explanation, Nick. But why do I get the Debian list ones?
Presumably they take ownership, do they? I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm
program. They have
improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe fails, not
if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them, but
it means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list. The error
message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault, but both
deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the Debian list
as on this one, and I get his messages there, so it must in some way be
due to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC,
basically telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields if
they a not coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that request and
reject deloptes messages to the list because they a coming from TDE
servers. Lisi
The possible solutions are
a. (best) convince deloptes to resubscribe to list using different
address (actually many lists block subscriptions to them using yahoo
addresses) b. yourself resubscribe to list using an address which ignores
DMARC c. convince trinity maillists admins to change ezmlm settings so
its "takes ownership" of the messages (but this mangles From field among
other things, so many consider this to be a bad solution).
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1:58 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Messages bouncing again
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:46:31 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday 12 January 2016 00:36:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
Well, i am not exactly sure what are the minimum changed required to make
DMARC happy, i never run a DMARC compatible list myself. Looking through
the lists i subscribed to there maybe even some way to leave From intact.
Quck googling says that ezmlm added some DMARC support started with version
7.2.0, so you may try to talk to the list admins about it.
On Monday 11 January 2016 20:51:26 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
They "resend" it, whatever they mean by that. So it says sent from Joe
Blogs, resent from debian-user(a)lists.debian.org That requires a lot of
mauling does it?
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the explanation, Nick. But why do I get the Debian list
ones? Presumably they take ownership, do they? I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm
program. They
have improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe
fails, not if *I* bounce another message.
In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them,
but it means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list.
The error message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault,
but both deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the
Debian list as on this one, and I get his messages there, so it
must in some way be due to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone
here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC,
basically telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields
if they a not coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that
request and reject deloptes messages to the list because they a
coming from TDE servers. > Lisi
>
> > The possible solutions are
> > a. (best) convince deloptes to resubscribe to list using different
> > address (actually many lists block subscriptions to them using yahoo
> > addresses) b. yourself resubscribe to list using an address which
> > ignores DMARC c. convince trinity maillists admins to change ezmlm
> > settings so its "takes ownership" of the messages (but this mangles
> > From field among other things, so many consider this to be a bad
> > solution).
>
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
10:02 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Messages bouncing again
On Tuesday 12 January 2016 01:58:55 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:46:31 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Nick. Yes, Debian does seem to leave the From intact. If one replies
carelessly the reply goes to author not list!!
Lisi
On Tuesday 12 January 2016 00:36:08 Lisi Reisz
wrote:
Well, i am not exactly sure what are the minimum changed required to make
DMARC happy, i never run a DMARC compatible list myself. Looking through
the lists i subscribed to there maybe even some way to leave From intact.
Quck googling says that ezmlm added some DMARC support started with version
7.2.0, so you may try to talk to the list admins about it. On Monday 11 January 2016 20:51:26 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
They "resend" it, whatever they mean by that. So it says sent from Joe
Blogs, resent from debian-user(a)lists.debian.org That requires a lot of
mauling does it? On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:54:55 +0000
Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been getting messages again from the ezmlm program. They
> have improved - at least now I shall only be ejected if the probe
> fails, not if *I* bounce another message.
>
> In itself it is not a problem, since I can ignore or delete them,
> but it means that I get none of deloptes' messages to this list.
> The error message that I am sent suggests that it is Gmail's fault,
> but both deloptes and I use exactly the same email addresses on the
> Debian list as on this one, and I get his messages there, so it
> must in some way be due to ezmlm. Is there anything I, or anyone
> here, can do about it?
It is a Yahoo fault. Yahoo uses ant-spoofing scheme called DMARC,
basically telling the world "reject any mail with @yahoo From fields
if they a not coming from yahoo mail servers". Gmail honors that
request and reject deloptes messages to the list because they a
coming from TDE servers.
Thanks for the explanation, Nick. But why do I get the Debian list
ones? Presumably they take ownership, do they?
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