27 Feb
2012
27 Feb
'12
1:11 a.m.
Update starttde consistent with the changes made to tdelibs/tdesu/stub.cpp in bug report
766.
The first snippet that is deleted is redundant and conflicts with the same $PATH test
several lines later in the script.
The second change ensures $PATH is consistent with stub.cpp, which places $PREFIX/bin in
the path order just before /usr/bin and not blindly as first in the search path. If,
oddly, /usr/bin is not in the search path then the script falls back to placing
$PREFIX/bin first in the search path.
==============================================================
diff -urN tdebase/starttde tdebase.new/starttde
--- tdebase/starttde 2012-02-15 13:26:30.000000000 -0600
+++ tdebase.new/starttde 2012-02-26 19:08:44.000000000 -0600
@@ -76,15 +76,6 @@
fi
fi
-# In case we have been started with full pathname spec without being in PATH.
-bindir=`echo "$0" | sed -n 's,^\(/.*\)/[^/][^/]*$,\1,p'`
-if [ -n "$bindir" ]; then
- case $PATH in
- $bindir|$bindir:*|*:$bindir|*:$bindir:*) ;;
- *) PATH=$bindir:$PATH; export PATH;;
- esac
-fi
-
# Boot sequence:
#
# tdeinit is used to fork off processes which improves memory usage
@@ -165,7 +156,14 @@
fi
if [ -d $TDEDIR/bin ]; then
if [ -z "`echo $PATH | grep \"$TDEDIR/bin\"`" ]; then
- export PATH=$TDEDIR/bin:$PATH
+ # Respect the traditional path order. Don't blindly place $TDEDIR/bin
+ # first in the path. Only place $TDEDIR/bin before /usr/bin. This order is
+ # consistent with tdelibs/tdesu/stub.cpp.
+ if [ -n "`echo $PATH | grep \"/usr/bin\"`" ]; then
+ export PATH="`echo $PATH | sed
\"s|/usr/bin|$TDEDIR/bin:/usr/bin|\"`"
+ else
+ export PATH=$TDEDIR/bin:$PATH
+ fi
fi
fi
if [ -d $TDEDIR/share ]; then
==============================================================
I have tested the change. If there are no objections then I would like to push the patch.
27 Feb
27 Feb
1:22 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
Update starttde consistent with the changes made to
tdelibs/tdesu/stub.cpp
in bug report 766.
The first snippet that is deleted is redundant and conflicts with the same
$PATH test several lines later in the script.
The second change ensures $PATH is consistent with stub.cpp, which places
$PREFIX/bin in the path order just before /usr/bin and not blindly as
first in the search path. If, oddly, /usr/bin is not in the search path
then the script falls back to placing $PREFIX/bin first in the search
path.
==============================================================
diff -urN tdebase/starttde tdebase.new/starttde
--- tdebase/starttde 2012-02-15 13:26:30.000000000 -0600
+++ tdebase.new/starttde 2012-02-26 19:08:44.000000000 -0600
@@ -76,15 +76,6 @@
fi
fi
-# In case we have been started with full pathname spec without being in
PATH.
-bindir=`echo "$0" | sed -n 's,^\(/.*\)/[^/][^/]*$,\1,p'`
-if [ -n "$bindir" ]; then
- case $PATH in
- $bindir|$bindir:*|*:$bindir|*:$bindir:*) ;;
- *) PATH=$bindir:$PATH; export PATH;;
- esac
-fi
-
# Boot sequence:
#
# tdeinit is used to fork off processes which improves memory usage
@@ -165,7 +156,14 @@
fi
if [ -d $TDEDIR/bin ]; then
if [ -z "`echo $PATH | grep \"$TDEDIR/bin\"`" ]; then
- export PATH=$TDEDIR/bin:$PATH
+ # Respect the traditional path order. Don't blindly place $TDEDIR/bin
+ # first in the path. Only place $TDEDIR/bin before /usr/bin. This
order is
+ # consistent with tdelibs/tdesu/stub.cpp.
+ if [ -n "`echo $PATH | grep \"/usr/bin\"`" ]; then
+ export PATH="`echo $PATH | sed
\"s|/usr/bin|$TDEDIR/bin:/usr/bin|\"`"
+ else
+ export PATH=$TDEDIR/bin:$PATH
+ fi
fi
fi
if [ -d $TDEDIR/share ]; then
==============================================================
I have tested the change. If there are no objections then I would like to
push the patch.
Only concern I have is sed--is sed installed on all systems? Should there
be a sanity check for sed somewhere in starttde?
Tim
2:20 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
Only concern I have is sed--is sed installed on all
systems? Should there be a sanity check for sed somewhere in starttde?
I don't know. I thought sed was a standard install. Besides there are several other
instances of sed being used in the script that precede Trinity. And some sed snippets you
added back in the 3.5.11 days. If we add a sed sanity test then the test should be at the
beginning of the script and would be beyond the scope of this patch.
Push the patch?
Darrell
3:03 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
Only concern I
have is sed--is sed installed on all
systems? Should there be a sanity check for sed somewhere in starttde?
I don't know. I thought sed was a standard install. Besides there are
several other instances of sed being used in the script that precede
Trinity. And some sed snippets you added back in the 3.5.11 days. If we
add a sed sanity test then the test should be at the beginning of the
script and would be beyond the scope of this patch.
Push the patch?
Darrell 
6:42 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Darrell Anderson
<humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Update starttde consistent with the changes made to
tdelibs/tdesu/stub.cpp in bug report 766.
The first snippet that is deleted is redundant and conflicts with the same $PATH test
several lines later in the script.
The second change ensures $PATH is consistent with stub.cpp, which places $PREFIX/bin in
the path order just before /usr/bin and not blindly as first in the search path. If,
oddly, /usr/bin is not in the search path then the script falls back to placing
$PREFIX/bin first in the search path.
==============================================================
diff -urN tdebase/starttde tdebase.new/starttde
--- tdebase/starttde 2012-02-15 13:26:30.000000000 -0600
+++ tdebase.new/starttde 2012-02-26 19:08:44.000000000 -0600
@@ -76,15 +76,6 @@
fi
fi
-# In case we have been started with full pathname spec without being in PATH.
-bindir=`echo "$0" | sed -n 's,^\(/.*\)/[^/][^/]*$,\1,p'`
-if [ -n "$bindir" ]; then
- case $PATH in
- $bindir|$bindir:*|*:$bindir|*:$bindir:*) ;;
- *) PATH=$bindir:$PATH; export PATH;;
- esac
-fi
-
# Boot sequence:
#
# tdeinit is used to fork off processes which improves memory usage
@@ -165,7 +156,14 @@
fi
if [ -d $TDEDIR/bin ]; then
if [ -z "`echo $PATH | grep \"$TDEDIR/bin\"`" ]; then
- export PATH=$TDEDIR/bin:$PATH
+ # Respect the traditional path order. Don't blindly place $TDEDIR/bin
+ # first in the path. Only place $TDEDIR/bin before /usr/bin. This order is
+ # consistent with tdelibs/tdesu/stub.cpp.
+ if [ -n "`echo $PATH | grep \"/usr/bin\"`" ]; then
+ export PATH="`echo $PATH | sed
\"s|/usr/bin|$TDEDIR/bin:/usr/bin|\"`"
+ else
+ export PATH=$TDEDIR/bin:$PATH
+ fi
fi
fi
if [ -d $TDEDIR/share ]; then
==============================================================
I have tested the change. If there are no objections then I would like to push the
patch.
The patch has bug. Consider $PATH first containing something like
'/home/me/opt/usr/bin'. Or even that '/usr/bin_strange_backup'. It
must check that '/usr/bin' string is final. That is done with check if
it is in begin of string or have ':' in front and it is in end of
string or have ':' in back.
6:57 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
I would strongly recommend after renaming such scripts as startkde to
create symlinks to old names or at least ask user in postinst to make
such links!
8:45 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:57:17 +0400
Aleksey Midenkov <midenok(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I would strongly recommend after renaming such scripts
as startkde to
create symlinks to old names or at least ask user in postinst to make
such links!
I think a tdesymlinks packages would be a good idea. It would include
not only startkde->starttde, but also symlinks to every renamed
application such as twin, etc.
It would both:
-enable former KDE3 users to use the old names, just by installing one
package
-if the renaming is completed, enable new Trinity users to install it
in /usr alongside KDE SC 4/5.
10:17 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM, /dev/ammo42
<mickeytintincolle(a)yahoo.fr> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:57:17 +0400
Aleksey Midenkov <midenok(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Making separate package is not necessary and not practical (it must
depend on all packages). Better to develop common postinst procedure
and include in every such package with info about renamed executables.
I would strongly recommend after renaming such
scripts as startkde to
create symlinks to old names or at least ask user in postinst to make
such links!
I think a tdesymlinks packages would be a good idea. It would include
not only startkde->starttde, but also symlinks to every renamed
application such as twin, etc.
It would both:
-enable former KDE3 users to use the old names, just by installing one
package
-if the renaming is completed, enable new Trinity users to install it
in /usr alongside KDE SC 4/5.
10:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:17:28 +0400
Aleksey Midenkov <midenok(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM, /dev/ammo42
<mickeytintincolle(a)yahoo.fr> wrote:
Why make the package depend on every Trinity package ? I don't think
dangling symlinks are such of a problem. Or perhaps it's just my
Slackware-originated "automatic dependencies are too complicated" way
of thinking.
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:57:17 +0400
Aleksey Midenkov <midenok(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Making separate package is not necessary and not practical (it must
depend on all packages). Better to develop common postinst procedure
and include in every such package with info about renamed executables. I would strongly recommend after renaming such
scripts as startkde
to create symlinks to old names or at least ask user in postinst
to make such links!
I think a tdesymlinks packages would be a good idea. It would
include not only startkde->starttde, but also symlinks to every
renamed application such as twin, etc.
It would both:
-enable former KDE3 users to use the old names, just by installing
one package
-if the renaming is completed, enable new Trinity users to install
it in /usr alongside KDE SC 4/5.
1:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On 02/27/2012 02:45 AM, /dev/ammo42 wrote:
+1,
A symlink packages is a simple fix to a lot of potential problems. By putting
symlink control in a single package, you also gain control over the symlink
issues that users are bound to create them on their own, and can easily
update/revise the symlink setup by updates to a single package. I think it is a
good idea. Something like 'tde-tdesymlinks' or 'trinity-tdesymlinks'
sounds like
a reasonable name.
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
I would
strongly recommend after renaming such scripts as startkde to
> create symlinks to old names or at least ask user in postinst to make
> such links!
I think a tdesymlinks packages would be a good idea. It would
include
not only startkde->starttde, but also symlinks to every renamed
application such as twin, etc.
It would both:
-enable former KDE3 users to use the old names, just by installing one
package
-if the renaming is completed, enable new Trinity users to install it
in /usr alongside KDE SC 4/5.
3:11 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:53 PM, David C. Rankin
<drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 02/27/2012 02:45 AM, /dev/ammo42 wrote:
+1,
A symlink packages is a simple fix to a lot of potential problems. By putting
symlink control in a single package, you also gain control over the symlink
issues that users are bound to create them on their own, and can easily
update/revise the symlink setup by updates to a single package. I think it is a
good idea. Something like 'tde-tdesymlinks' or 'trinity-tdesymlinks'
sounds like
a reasonable name.
I suppose, it's not that so. From development p.o.v. you are forcing
yourself to constantly sync different projects. From user p.o.v. he is
forced to install all packages 'tde-tdesymlinks' depends on. Better is
to develop common measure for packaging and inform user once
(remembering his choice).
I would
strongly recommend after renaming such scripts as startkde to
> create symlinks to old names or at least ask user in postinst to make
> such links!
I think a tdesymlinks packages would be a good idea. It would
include
not only startkde->starttde, but also symlinks to every renamed
application such as twin, etc.
It would both:
-enable former KDE3 users to use the old names, just by installing one
package
-if the renaming is completed, enable new Trinity users to install it
in /usr alongside KDE SC 4/5.
3:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On 02/27/2012 09:11 AM, Aleksey Midenkov wrote:
I suppose, it's not that so. From development
p.o.v. you are forcing
yourself to constantly sync different projects. From user p.o.v. he is
forced to install all packages 'tde-tdesymlinks' depends on. Better is
to develop common measure for packaging and inform user once
(remembering his choice).
I agree. You would need to base the package of symlinks on the user's install
preference. Couldn't you use $TDEDIR to obtain the install location and then set
the symlinks based on that?
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
3:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On 27 February 2012 10:44, David C. Rankin
<drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On 02/27/2012 09:11 AM, Aleksey Midenkov wrote:
Here is a solution.
Don't offer symlinks. Force users to memorize very minor changes in a few
differnet programs. If their scripts don't work - it will be pretty obvious
why. In our release announcement we will not what has changed.
One thing that bugs me about Trinity is the fear of any change whatsoever.
Yes we want to continue the KDE3 tradition, no we are not exactly kde3. If
we make changes, users will have to adjust.
It is better to force them to learn the new names then down the road having
more nasty issues with symlinks and packaging and a whole mess of crap that
isn't a good idea.
Calvin
I suppose, it's not that so. From development
p.o.v. you are forcing
yourself to constantly sync different projects. From user p.o.v. he is
forced to install all packages 'tde-tdesymlinks' depends on. Better is
to develop common measure for packaging and inform user once
(remembering his choice).
I agree. You would need to base the package of symlinks on the user's
install
preference. Couldn't you use $TDEDIR to obtain the install location and
then set
the symlinks based on that?
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
10:16 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:59:08 -0500
Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 February 2012 10:44, David C. Rankin
<drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I know I'm probably trolling, but I'm
not sure making Trinity more
difficult to use than KDE SC 4 for former KDE 3 users is a good idea
either.
On 02/27/2012 09:11 AM, Aleksey Midenkov wrote:
Here is a solution.
Don't offer symlinks. Force users to memorize very minor changes in a
few differnet programs. If their scripts don't work - it will be
pretty obvious why. In our release announcement we will not what has
changed.
One thing that bugs me about Trinity is the fear of any change
whatsoever. Yes we want to continue the KDE3 tradition, no we are not
exactly kde3. If we make changes, users will have to adjust.
It is better to force them to learn the new names then down the road
having more nasty issues with symlinks and packaging and a whole mess
of crap that isn't a good idea. I suppose, it's not that so. From development
p.o.v. you are
forcing yourself to constantly sync different projects. From user
p.o.v. he is forced to install all packages 'tde-tdesymlinks'
depends on. Better is to develop common measure for packaging and
inform user once (remembering his choice).
I agree. You would need to base the package of symlinks on the
user's install
preference. Couldn't you use $TDEDIR to obtain the install location
and then set
the symlinks based on that?
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Calvin
28 Feb
28 Feb
12:19 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On 02/27/2012 09:59 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Here is a solution.
Don't offer symlinks. Force users to memorize very minor changes in a few
differnet programs. If their scripts don't work - it will be pretty obvious why.
In our release announcement we will not what has changed.
One thing that bugs me about Trinity is the fear of any change whatsoever. Yes
we want to continue the KDE3 tradition, no we are not exactly kde3. If we make
changes, users will have to adjust.
It is better to force them to learn the new names then down the road having more
nasty issues with symlinks and packaging and a whole mess of crap that isn't a
good idea.
Calvin
I'm not adverse to change -- I have fully embraced kde4....
Seriously,
The issue isn't 'change' -- it's about 'smart change'. The
symlink issue is a
crutch - yes, but it is a necessary one until the entire codebase and
applications can be updated to use the new names.
CASE-IN-POINT - twin-style-crystal will not build because the
${TDEDIR}/lib/kde directory has been renamed ${TDEDIR}/lib/trinity. With the
complex build wizardry now used in building (libtools/cmake/take your pick) it
is not a simple 'grep some-changed-name some-source.c' to find the hardcoded
link. The problem may not even be in the source, but instead, some crazy
submodule somewhere...
If symlinks will provide a way to alleviate build or runtime issues until the
source and build system can be completely verified and fixed to use the renamed
files/locations, then I think they server a valid temporary purpose.
Just my .02 and not an argument against changing anything.
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
27 Feb
27 Feb
11:30 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
I would strongly recommend after
renaming such scripts as startkde to
create symlinks to old names or at least ask user in
postinst to make such links!
I'm not in favor of that kind of complicated layer. Change is a part of free/libre
software.
The starttde script is a secondary layer in the session startup process that users
don't really see. The xinitrc and Xsession scripts handle starttde. Of all the
renaming, the only ones I think might trip a few people are tdesu and tdm.
I prefer a "What is New" notice that appears on the desktop with any first
Trinity session. Possibly as a pseudo desktop device like some of the other newer desktop
device icons.
Let's instead focus on the bug list backlog.
Darrell
2:56 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Darrell Anderson
<humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Not at all. Any scripts can be utilized by the user (or by the third
party) in his own scripts. You'll end up with bug reports like 'My
desktop won't start'. That is the least part of the problem. The worse
part is that you put user into uncertain state when his environment is
not starting and he must debug it for himself. Seems 'a bit'
unfriendly.
About that bug what exactly is incomprehensible? I will compose regex
later if I'll want to (if you'll not want to fix it) or at least
submit bug report.
I would
strongly recommend after
renaming such scripts as startkde to
create symlinks to old names or at least ask user in
postinst to make such links!
I'm not in favor of that kind of complicated layer. Change is a part of free/libre
software.
The starttde script is a secondary layer in the session startup process that users
don't really see. The xinitrc and Xsession scripts handle starttde. Of all the
renaming, the only ones I think might trip a few people are tdesu and tdm.
3:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
About that bug what exactly is incomprehensible? I
will
compose regex later if I'll want to (if you'll not want to fix it) or at
least submit bug report.
Comprehension is not the issue. I don't read minds and guessing wastes time.
Please provide an improved sed string. Just don't blurt out there is a bug and not
offer a proposed solution --- especially when you have the skills to do so.
Who uses weird directory names like /home/me/opt/usr/bin or /usr/bin_strange_backup?
Darrell
4:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Darrell Anderson
<humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, I have. But not have much time. I use my time in my own way, that
I'm interested in. It's your mistake by the way. If you have not
enough skills then you should be keen to be better and be thankful if
someone did spent his time to give you advice. At least, I would do
exactly this, but not demand finished solution.
About that bug
what exactly is incomprehensible? I will
compose regex later if I'll want to (if you'll not want to fix it) or at
least submit bug report.
Comprehension is not the issue. I don't read minds and guessing wastes time.
Please provide an improved sed string. Just don't blurt out there is a bug and not
offer a proposed solution --- especially when you have the skills to do so.
Who uses weird directory names like /home/me/opt/usr/bin or /usr/bin_strange_backup?
Wrong question. In real world if there is a possibility for a bug to
happen, it will happen. Though /home/me/some_product/opt/usr/bin is
very realistic example.
29 Feb
29 Feb
5:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Darrell Anderson
<humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I did my best to help you. Sorry if I can't do more.
Yes, I have.
But not have much time. I use my time in my own
way, that I'm interested in.
Thank you for letting us know where you stand in this community.
6:33 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Darrell Anderson
<humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I did my best to help you. Sorry if I can't do more.
No problem. We all appreciate what you have done so far. :-)
Tim
Yes, I
have. But not have much time. I use my time in my own
way, that I'm interested in.
Thank you for letting us know where you stand in this community.
27 Feb
27 Feb
5:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Darrell Anderson
<humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, I have. But not have much time. I use my time in my own way, that
I'm interested in. It's your mistake by the way. If you have not
enough skills then you should be keen to be better and be thankful if
someone did spent his time to give you advice. At least, I would do
exactly this, but not demand finished solution.
This is correct. We need to be careful of corner cases in general.
Tim
About
that bug what exactly is incomprehensible? I will
compose regex later if I'll want to (if you'll not want to fix it) or
at
least submit bug report.
Comprehension is not the issue. I don't read minds and guessing wastes
time.
Please provide an improved sed string. Just don't blurt out there is a
bug and not offer a proposed solution --- especially when you have the
skills to do so.
Who uses weird directory names like /home/me/opt/usr/bin or
/usr/bin_strange_backup?
Wrong question. In real world if there is a possibility for a bug to
happen, it will happen. Though /home/me/some_product/opt/usr/bin is
very realistic example.
11:22 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Proposed starttde patch
The patch has bug. Consider $PATH first containing
something
like '/home/me/opt/usr/bin'. Or even that
'/usr/bin_strange_backup'. It must check that '/usr/bin' string is final.
That is done
with check if it is in begin of string or have ':' in front and it is in
end of string or have ':' in back.
Fix the patch to show me exactly what you want.
Darrell
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