22 Dec
2014
22 Dec
'14
12:37 a.m.
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on.
Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I
installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but
I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a
quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
22 Dec
22 Dec
2:27 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
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On 12/22/2014 09:37 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on.
Recently, I bought an HP 620lx
palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility
Edition, available at
jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but
I am not sure about the
legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it
could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Personally I support the idea of a new KDE-unrelated mascot for TDE. I know E.
doesn't, so it is a matter of opinions.
I guess we would at least need to see what Tim and Slavek (and possibly other users)
think.
As for what mascot, although the tux_tde_gradient.png looks nice, I would prefer an
"original" mascot, something
designed by us, not something made up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just move
from a KDE-related mascot
to another project-related mascot.
Just my two cents.
Cheers
Michele
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2:42 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Monday 22 of December 2014 03:27:11 Michele Calgaro wrote:
On 12/22/2014 09:37 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Konqi is my favorite :) But I understand that it would be good to choose
another mascot. However, I also believe that it should be something original.
--
Slávek
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee
going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for
non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition,
available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a
TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is
you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Personally I support the idea of a new KDE-unrelated mascot for TDE. I know
E. doesn't, so it is a matter of opinions. I guess we would at least need
to see what Tim and Slavek (and possibly other users) think.
As for what mascot, although the tux_tde_gradient.png looks nice, I would
prefer an "original" mascot, something designed by us, not something made
up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just move from a KDE-related
mascot to another project-related mascot.
Just my two cents.
Cheers
Michele
4:14 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On 12/21/2014 08:27 PM, Michele Calgaro wrote:
As for what mascot, although the tux_tde_gradient.png
looks nice, I
would prefer an "original" mascot, something designed by
us, not
something made up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just move
from a KDE-related mascot to another project-related mascot.<
What about a corvid? I must admit I seemed to have picked the wrong
time when I tried to make a push for branding earlier. Then I got
distracted by everything that wasn't TDE.
Dark gray beak and feathers? Common crows have some unfortunate
connotations, but they're tool users and have very good memories. They
also may communicate among each other better than we give them credit for.
If I were to start over, I could probably do a better job than what I
did three years ago that probably no one remembers:
http://www.dimensionality.com/tqtde/LB15_Mascot_Head.png
There should be a vector version but I've only found the PNG.
We also might want to think in terms of standardizing on colors and
typefaces. An optimal typeface would have both one or more free
versions and an availability from preferably more than one foundry with
umpteen variants; optimal colors would have Pantone numbers and ideally
cable (textile) and FS-595 (paint) equivalents.
After all, at some point we might want a printed manual, logo or mascot
hats, et c. 8)
1:26 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:14:26 -0600
James Gholston <jamesg(a)dimensionality.com> wrote:
On 12/21/2014 08:27 PM, Michele Calgaro wrote:
There are less common, visually distinctive corvidae that might have less
unfortunate connotations, like the collared crow. I'd be tempted to suggest
one of the petrels (great distance fliers), but they're in the albatross family,
which has even more unfortunate connotations for English-speakers,
thanks to Coleridge.
As for what mascot, although the
tux_tde_gradient.png looks nice, I
would prefer an "original" mascot,
something designed by us, not
something made up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just move
from a KDE-related mascot to another project-related mascot.<
What about a corvid? I must admit I seemed to have picked the wrong
time when I tried to make a push for branding earlier. Then I got
distracted by everything that wasn't TDE.
Dark gray beak and feathers? Common crows have some unfortunate
connotations, but they're tool users and have very good memories. They
also may communicate among each other better than we give them credit for. We also might want to think in terms of standardizing
on colors and
typefaces. An optimal typeface would have both one or more free
versions and an availability from preferably more than one foundry with
umpteen variants; optimal colors would have Pantone numbers and ideally
cable (textile) and FS-595 (paint) equivalents.
You're not going to find exactly the same font from more than one foundry
(they can be very similar and based on the same pre-computer typeface,
but there will be differences in the details, like exact angles and how specific
pair kernings work). The number of non-decorative open-source fonts with
decent Unicode support isn't really all that large--most free fonts are only
free-as-in-beer, not libre, and I see no benefit in standardising on a non-libre
font.
Having Pantone numbers for the logo and mascot colours would be nice,
but unless we're printing something physically on a press that supports spot
colours, it isn't really necessary. Besides, the only way to get an *accurate*
Pantone colour is with a physical swatchbook--does anyone even have one?
(The "Pantone colours" shown on-screen by Adobe software and the like
are only approximations even on a calibrated monitor.)
After all, at some point we might want a printed
manual, logo or mascot
hats, et c. 8)
Unless we're going pretty high-end we're likely to end up printing on a
CMYK press anyway.
E. Liddell
1:08 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:27:11 +0900
Michele Calgaro <michele.calgaro(a)yahoo.it> wrote:
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On 12/22/2014 09:37 AM, Alexandre wrote:
I'm cautiously in favour of a change, actually--Konqui is definitely a branding
problem.
Plus, I haven't been able to get a clear picture of his trademark status from
available
documents, so he might be a legal problem (even though none of the KDE people have
called us on it yet).
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on.
Recently, I bought an HP 620lx
palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility
Edition, available at
jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but
I am not sure about the
legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it
could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Personally I support the idea of a new KDE-unrelated mascot for TDE. I know E.
doesn't, so it is a matter of opinions.
I guess we would at least need to see what Tim and Slavek (and possibly other users)
think. As for what mascot, although the tux_tde_gradient.png
looks nice, I would prefer an "original" mascot, something
designed by us, not something made up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just
move from a KDE-related mascot
to another project-related mascot.
Agree on this. We'd just be opening ourselves up to the same problems that already
exist with Konqui.
E. Liddell
2:39 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
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Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee
going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for
non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available
at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a
TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is
you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal
implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux
kernel.
Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a
couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they are
already taken:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the hummingbird
or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices. In
line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for TDE
to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in
businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be
preferred.
Tim
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1:39 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
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I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots
of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee
going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for
non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available
at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a
TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is
you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal
implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux
kernel. Taking the bird idea further, looking at this
Wikipedia image I see a
couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they are
already taken:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the hummingbird
or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices. In
line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for TDE
to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in
businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be
preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm
sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of them
have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not a bad-looking bird
either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped Swallow.
E. Liddell
2:03 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course
for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell <ejlddll(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
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I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots
of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee
going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for
non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available
at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a
TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is
you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal
implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux
kernel. Taking the bird idea further, looking at this
Wikipedia image I see a
couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they are
already taken:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the hummingbird
or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices. In
line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for TDE
to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in
businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be
preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm
sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of them
have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not a bad-looking bird
either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped Swallow.
E. Liddell
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New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:03:10 -0500
From: mutantturkey(a)gmail.com
To: trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course
for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell <ejlddll(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600
> "Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
>
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>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee
>> > going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for
>> > non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available
>> > at jlime.com
>> >
>> > I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a
>> > TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is
>> > you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
>> >
>> > Have a great Christmas time!
>> >
>> > -Alexandre
>>
>> The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal
>> implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux
>> kernel.
>
> I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots
> of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
>
>> Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a
>> couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they are
>> already taken:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
>>
>> Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the hummingbird
>> or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices. In
>> line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for
TDE
>> to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in
>> businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be
>> preferred.
>
> Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm
> sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of them
> have very nice plumage, too.
>
> I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its name.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not a bad-looking bird
> either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped Swallow.
>
> E. Liddell
Hi,
Personnally, I'm not sure about these kinds of birds of prey.
In french, we call it ''rapace'', which has an extremely bad connotation.
Is there a specific reason why it should be a bird?
On kde.org, I can find the source blender file for Konqui, but I don't know much at
all on how to use Blender...
-Alexandre
8:51 p.m.
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Thank you for the info; I had no idea as there is no such connotation in
English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though,
and crows even less so unfortunately.
No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird;
my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the
Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
Tim
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:03:10 -0500
From: mutantturkey(a)gmail.com
To: trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course
for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell <ejlddll(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
are
them
Hi,
Personnally, I'm not sure about these kinds of birds of prey.
In french, we call it ''rapace'', which has an extremely bad
connotation.
Is there a specific reason why it should be a bird?
On kde.org, I can find the source blender file for Konqui, but I don't
know much at all on how to use Blender...
-Alexandre On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
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>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE
has bee
> > going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx
palmtop (er, Handheld PC,
for
> > non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada
Linux Mobility Edition,
available
> > at jlime.com
> >
> > I thought that a modified version of their logo could be
interesting as
a
> > TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the
legal aspect of it. Also,
what is
> you
opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
>
> Have a great Christmas time!
>
> -Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal
implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux
kernel.
I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots
of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
> Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a
> couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they > already taken:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
>
> Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the
hummingbird
> or various members of the swallow family
would be my first choices.
In
> line with TDE's professional image (at
least that's what I aspire for
TDE
to be...)
something that could be used and easily recognized in
businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be
preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm
sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its
name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not
a bad-looking bird
either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped
Swallow.
>
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10:14 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
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Thank you for the info; I had no idea as there is no such connotation in
English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though,
and crows even less so unfortunately.
No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird;
my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the
Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
Tim
How about something in the heron family?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heron_tricol_01.JPG
It's a distinctive, intelligent bird with no negative connotations that I
am aware of for English speakers, and is pleasing to my eye (need more
feedback here though!).
Tim
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:03:10 -0500
From: mutantturkey(a)gmail.com
To: trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course
for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell <ejlddll(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
Personnally, I'm not sure about these kinds of birds of prey.
In french, we call it ''rapace'', which has an extremely bad
connotation.
Is there a specific reason why it should be a bird?
On kde.org, I can find the source blender file for Konqui, but I don't
know much at all on how to use Blender...
-Alexandre On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
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> Hash: SHA224
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE
has bee
> > going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx
palmtop (er, Handheld PC,
for
> > non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada
Linux Mobility Edition,
available
> > at jlime.com
> >
> > I thought that a modified version of their logo could be
interesting as
a
> > TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the
legal aspect of it. Also,
what is
> > you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup
of what it could be.
> >
> > Have a great Christmas time!
> >
> > -Alexandre
>
> The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal
> implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux
> kernel.
I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots
of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
> Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see
a
> couple of birds that might be appropriate but
I have no idea if they
are
> already taken:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
>
> Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the
hummingbird
> or various members of the swallow family
would be my first choices.
In
> line with TDE's professional image (at
least that's what I aspire
for
TDE
> to be...) something that could be used and
easily recognized in
> businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be
> preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm
sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of
them
have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its
name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not
a bad-looking bird
either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped
Swallow.
>
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23 Dec
4:17 a.m.
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On 12/23/2014 07:14 AM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
How about something in the heron family?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heron_tricol_01.JPG
It's a distinctive, intelligent bird with no negative connotations that I am aware of
for English speakers, and is
pleasing to my eye (need more feedback here though!).
Tim
Looks good to me :-)
Cheers
Michele
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22 Dec
10:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:51:48 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
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Thank you for the info; I had no idea as there is no such connotation in
English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though,
and crows even less so unfortunately.
No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird;
my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the
Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
We could pick another mythical beastie--gryphon? Salamander ("blazingly
fast")? Pegasus (flies and carries loads->fast and can support your business)?
Heraldic antelope (well, okay, I'm not really serious about that one)? A
phoenix might be appropriate ("rising from the ashes of KDE3"), but we'd
have to be careful to avoid treading on the toes of the old Firefox logo (from
the days before they got into a trademark dispute with Firebird and had
to change their name).
E. Liddell
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:03:10 -0500
From: mutantturkey(a)gmail.com
To: trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course
for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell <ejlddll(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Personnally, I'm not sure about these kinds of birds of prey.
In french, we call it ''rapace'', which has an extremely bad
connotation.
Is there a specific reason why it should be a bird?
On kde.org, I can find the source blender file for Konqui, but I don't
know much at all on how to use Blender...
-Alexandre On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
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> > Hi,
> >
> > Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE
has bee
> > going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx
palmtop (er, Handheld PC,
for
> > non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada
Linux Mobility Edition,
available
> > at jlime.com
> >
> > I thought that a modified version of their logo could be
interesting as
a
> > TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the
legal aspect of it. Also,
what is
> > you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup
of what it could be.
> >
> > Have a great Christmas time!
> >
> > -Alexandre
>
> The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal
> implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux
> kernel.
I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots
of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
> Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a
> couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they
are
> already taken:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
>
> Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the
hummingbird
> or various members of the swallow family
would be my first choices.
In
> line with TDE's professional image (at
least that's what I aspire for
TDE
> to be...) something that could be used and
easily recognized in
> businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be
> preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm
sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of
them
have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its
name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not
a bad-looking bird
either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped
Swallow.
>
> E. Liddell
27 Dec
27 Dec
11:57 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
> Thank you for the info; I had no idea as there is
no such connotation in
> English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though,
> and crows even less so unfortunately.
>
> No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird;
> my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the
> Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
But my cat is big, strong and
fast, and it is certainly flightless :)
We could pick another mythical beastie--gryphon? Salamander ("blazingly
fast")? Pegasus (flies and carries loads->fast and can support your business)?
Heraldic antelope (well, okay, I'm not really serious about that one)? A
phoenix might be appropriate ("rising from the ashes of KDE3"), but we'd
have to be careful to avoid treading on the toes of the old Firefox logo (from
the days before they got into a trademark dispute with Firebird and had
to change their name).
E. Liddell
E. Liddell,
I love your idea about the salamander, and I'll also consider the Heron!
I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG, but I don't know if they worth it.
Ill have to test.
I bought for my work a Windows 8 (required for industrial software...) Lenovo Ideapad S210
touch, so I'll see if it work well or not to draw with the touch screen. Pretty
impressed with this machine for now!
Thank you!
-Alexandre
28 Dec
28 Dec
1:14 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
Here are two old wood cuts of a phoenix, a bit intricate for a logo,
but they could be redrawn or gimped and reduced in detail as needed,
so that they would reproduce better as a logo. They have the "T"
shape and I like the "attitude" they display <grin>.
I also own a nice line drawing logo, of a woodpecker, that I had
made, for a business I started in the 80s, which I would donate if
you are interested. I would have attached it but I have to go find it
in my archives first, and don't want to bother unless you are
interested in seeing it.
Keith
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Alexandre <ac586133(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the info; I had no idea as
there is no such connotation in
> English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though,
> and crows even less so unfortunately.
>
> No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird;
> my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the
> Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
But my cat is big, strong and
fast, and it is certainly flightless :)
We could pick another mythical beastie--gryphon? Salamander ("blazingly
fast")? Pegasus (flies and carries loads->fast and can support your
business)?
Heraldic antelope (well, okay, I'm not really serious about that one)? A
phoenix might be appropriate ("rising from the ashes of KDE3"), but we'd
have to be careful to avoid treading on the toes of the old Firefox logo
(from
the days before they got into a trademark dispute with Firebird and had
to change their name).
E. Liddell
E. Liddell,
I love your idea about the salamander, and I'll also consider the Heron!
I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG, but I don't know if they
worth it. Ill have to test.
I bought for my work a Windows 8 (required for industrial software...)
Lenovo Ideapad S210 touch, so I'll see if it work well or not to draw with
the touch screen. Pretty impressed with this machine for now!
Thank you!
-Alexandre 
1:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On 12/27/2014 05:57 PM, Alexandre wrote:
I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG, but
I don't know if
they worth it. Ill have to test.<
Inkscape has tools for doing this. I've used them a few times.
I'm pretty sure someone else is already using a salamander. I'm
guessing that introduction of anything like this in TDE itself is 14.0.1
at the earliest.
1:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 19:34:07 -0600
James Gholston <jamesg(a)dimensionality.com> wrote:
On 12/27/2014 05:57 PM, Alexandre wrote:
I have, too. For best results, you often have to clean the file by hand
afterwards.
I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG,
but I don't know if
they worth it. Ill have to test.<
Inkscape has tools for doing this. I've used them a few times. I'm pretty sure someone else is already using a
salamander.
We're always going to have that risk--we just need a sufficiently
different salamander (or heron or whatever). There's probably
no one using a cartoony heron or a salamander with T-shaped
markings or . . . well, you get the idea.
I'm
guessing that introduction of anything like this in TDE itself is 14.0.1
at the earliest.
I can't see us having a special release just for the mascot, and even
once we settle on something, tracking down every piece of artwork
with Konqui in it may take a while, so I'm guessing that it won't be
until after 14.0.1.
E. Liddell
29 Dec
29 Dec
2:08 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
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On 12/28/2014 10:07 PM, E. Liddell wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 19:34:07 -0600 James Gholston
<jamesg(a)dimensionality.com> wrote:
What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive animals, which was go
perfectly with the TDE.
Cheers
Michele
On 12/27/2014 05:57 PM, Alexandre wrote:
I have, too. For best results, you often have to clean the file by hand afterwards.
I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG,
but I don't know if
they worth it. Ill have to test.<
Inkscape has tools for doing this. I've used them a few times. I'm pretty sure someone else is already using
a salamander.
We're always going to have that risk--we just need a sufficiently different
salamander (or heron or whatever).
There's probably no one using a cartoony heron or a salamander with T-shaped markings
or . . . well, you get the
idea.
I'm guessing that introduction of anything
like this in TDE itself is 14.0.1 at the earliest.
I can't see us having a special release just for the mascot, and even once we settle
on something, tracking down
every piece of artwork with Konqui in it may take a while, so I'm guessing that it
won't be until after 14.0.1.
E. Liddell
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30 Dec
1:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive animals, which was go
perfectly with the TDE.
Cheers
Michele
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander, and I'm not
too sure about it. It is a little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
2:35 a.m.
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On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive animals, which was go
perfectly with the TDE.
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
Cheers
Michele
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander, and I'm
not too sure about it. It is a
little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
12:59 p.m.
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:35:45 +0900
Michele Calgaro <michele.calgaro(a)yahoo.it> wrote:
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On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
Legendarily, the salamander is associated with elemental fire.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 )
Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real
animal all that much.
E. Liddell
What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive animals, which was go
perfectly with the TDE.
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander, and I'm
not too sure about it. It is a
little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
6:50 p.m.
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On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
and
I'm not too sure about it. It is a
Legendarily, the salamander is associated with elemental fire.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 )
Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real
animal all that much.
E. Liddell
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
I'm not sure the salamander is a good choice; OpenSUSE got away with an
iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce revulsion in a
non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not sure about a bee for the
same reasons; it seems most people can identify with mammals and birds but
not so much with insects, arachnids, and reptiles.
Tim
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> What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive
animals,
which was go perfectly with the TDE.
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander, little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
7:15 p.m.
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:50:11 -0600
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There's nothing wrong with the heron either; I think we're just still at
the "flinging ideas around" stage.
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:35:45 +0900
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On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Legendarily, the salamander is associated with elemental fire.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 )
Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real
animal all that much.
E. Liddell
>
> What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive
animals,
which was go perfectly with the TDE.
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander,
and
I'm not too sure about it. It is a
little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander.... I'm not sure the salamander is a good choice;
OpenSUSE got away with an
iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce revulsion in a
non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not sure about a bee for the
same reasons; it seems most people can identify with mammals and birds but
not so much with insects, arachnids, and reptiles.
The more discussion we have about this, the more I think there there's
*something* potentially objectionable about *any* animal we could pick.
E. Liddell
9:33 p.m.
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:50:11 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Yes, this does seem to be the case. Let's stay away from known
problematic categories though like (at least for English speaking regions)
most insects, reptiles, arachnoids, and dinosaurs (the latter due to its
negative connotations in the tech world and the inevitable resultant
comments on TDE being an obsolete dinosaur). Dragons also are out due to
linkage with KDE, but most other animals can be considered.
The phoenix is interesting as I like the imagery, but as mentioned before
I'm not sure we can do that without stepping on other toes. Comments on
that issue are welcome; I wasn't involved with FOSS when the pheonix was
Firefox's logo so I wouldn't know. :-)
Tim
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Yep. Just wanted some feedback; thanks!
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:35:45 +0900
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> On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive
> animals, which was go perfectly with the TDE.
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
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> >
> > I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the
salamander,
and
I'm not too sure about it. It is a
> little bit disguisting...
>
> -Alexandre
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
Legendarily, the salamander is associated with elemental fire.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 )
Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real
animal all that much.
E. Liddell I'm not
sure the salamander is a good choice; OpenSUSE got away with an
iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce revulsion in a
non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not sure about a bee for
the
same reasons; it seems most people can identify with mammals and birds
but
not so much with insects, arachnids, and reptiles.
The more discussion we have about this, the more I think there there's
*something* potentially objectionable about *any* animal we could pick.
10:27 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:33:54 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
The phoenix is interesting as I like the imagery, but
as mentioned before
I'm not sure we can do that without stepping on other toes. Comments on
that issue are welcome; I wasn't involved with FOSS when the pheonix was
Firefox's logo so I wouldn't know. :-)
The people we'd have to watch out for are not the Mozilla Foundation,
but the Firebird Foundation (firebirdsql.org), the people who made
Mozilla change the name of their browser. However, I think it was
mostly a dispute about the *name*--Firefox just changed their logos
and such to match the new name afterwards.
The Firebird logo is extremely stylized and more dragon-like than
bird-like (in my opinion, anyway), and their page on branding policy
( http://www.firebirdsql.org/en/firebird-brand-faq/ ) doesn't suggest
that they're trying to "own" all images of phoenixes in the open-source
world, just their name and exact logo. So long as there's no close
resemblance between the logo and whatever we come up with, I
doubt it would be much of a problem.
E. Liddell
11:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
The people we'd have to watch out for are not the
Mozilla Foundation,
but the Firebird Foundation (firebirdsql.org), the people who made
Mozilla change the name of their browser. However, I think it was
mostly a dispute about the *name*--Firefox just changed their logos
and such to match the new name afterwards.
The Firebird logo is extremely stylized and more dragon-like than
bird-like (in my opinion, anyway), and their page on branding policy
( http://www.firebirdsql.org/en/firebird-brand-faq/ ) doesn't suggest
that they're trying to "own" all images of phoenixes in the open-source
world, just their name and exact logo. So long as there's no close
resemblance between the logo and whatever we come up with, I
doubt it would be much of a problem.
E. Liddell
Hi,
E. Liddell, you raised a good point by saying that its still at the stage of ideas.
I am not sure if I will concretize something on it yet. Do some persons here are up to the
task to collaborate on this?
Happy new year!
-Alexandre
8:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 14:15 (-0500), E. Liddell wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:50:11 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
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>>> On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive
>>> animals, which was go perfectly with the TDE.
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>>> >
>>> > I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the
salamander,
>>> and I'm not too sure about it. It is a
>>> > little bit disguisting...
>>> >
>>> > -Alexandre
>>> I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
>> Legendarily, the salamander is associated with
elemental fire.
>> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 )
>> Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real
>> animal all that much.
>> E. Liddell
> No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback
would be appreciated)
There's nothing wrong with the heron either; I
think we're just still at
the "flinging ideas around" stage.
> I'm not sure the salamander is a good choice;
OpenSUSE got away with an
> iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce revulsion in a
> non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not sure about a bee for the
> same reasons; it seems most people can identify with mammals and birds but
> not so much with insects, arachnids, and reptiles.
If you don't mind a comment from someone who is an almost completely
passive observer on this project (Yo, Darrell, got some new Slackware
build scripts?)...
Having been stung way more than my fair share of times, I can't say I
find a bee logo as appealing. And most people consider ants to be
pests.
On the other hand, some moths and butterflies are beautiful, and I
except that people have warmer and fuzzier feelings about them than
about most insects. Not that I'm suggesting the idea, just mentioning
it as a counter-point to painting all insects with the same brush.
The more discussion we have about this, the more I
think there there's
*something* potentially objectionable about *any* animal we could pick.
I expect you are right (although googling "cutest animal" gives a page
of pictures of animals, some of which most people probably wouldn't
find objectionable, but possibly none of them are relevant to TDE, if
that matters).
Cheers.
Jim
9:18 p.m.
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As long as you're in the brainstorming phase....
How about one of the dinosaurs?
Or, would the connotation be off-putting? :-)
Jonesy
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9:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Tuesday 30 December 2014 18:50:11 Timothy Pearson wrote:
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would
be
appreciated)
I'm not sure the salamander is a good choice; OpenSUSE got away
with an iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce
revulsion in a non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not
sure about a bee for the same reasons; it seems most people can
identify with mammals and birds but not so much with insects,
arachnids, and reptiles.
Tim
I'm not keen on a Heron either !
I tend to agree that insects would not make for a good mascot.
Though I don't know what to suggest that would.
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31 Dec
31 Dec
2:31 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
On Tuesday 30 December 2014 9:50:11 am you wrote:
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
Of all that I have seen presented here I like that imge of the Heron best. Up
here in Alaska we are on the Sandhill Crane migratory path,now that is an
awesome bird :-)
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=creamersfield.main
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2:53 a.m.
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On 12/31/2014 11:31 AM, Greg Madden wrote:
On Tuesday 30 December 2014 9:50:11 am you wrote:
Heron looks good to me too.
Alternatively, someone mentioned butterflies. Here I found same images that looks quite
interesting.
http://dreamatico.com/butterfly.html
Cheers
Michele
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
Of all that I have seen presented here I like that imge of the Heron best. Up here in
Alaska we are on the Sandhill
Crane migratory path,now that is an awesome bird :-)
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=creamersfield.main
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22 Dec
9:07 a.m.
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Am Montag, 22. Dezember 2014 schrieb Alexandre:
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on.
Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I
installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but
I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a
quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Cute, I like it :-)
Nik
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11:51 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
Hi Alexandre,
On Monday 22 December 2014 00:37:24 Alexandre wrote:
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE
has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er,
Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux
Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be
interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal
aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick
mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Looks good, very laid back. I like it !
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