20 Sep
2011
20 Sep
'11
12:12 p.m.
If yes, there is another sever license problem with it, incompatibility between GPL-2.0
and MPL-1.1
5:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 21:26:10 Timothy Pearson wrote:
This is the package in openSUSE:
https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=kde3-sim&project=KDE%3…
I had to disable the Yahoo plugin due to legal issues (bugreport:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719081 )
Although Alt Linux has a newer version, I was unable to build it in OBS.
If yes, there
is another sever license problem with it, incompatibility
between GPL-2.0 and MPL-1.1
Please provide a path to the code you are referring to. 
5:37 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 21:26:10 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
This is the package in openSUSE:
https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=kde3-sim&project=KDE%3…
I had to disable the Yahoo plugin due to legal issues (bugreport:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719081 )
Although Alt Linux has a newer version, I was unable to build it in OBS.
No, we do not include or maintain that software. The Trinity project is
very concerned about the legal status of software included in our
repository, and software with questionable legal status that does not add
significant functionality to Trinity is not included. I suggest that
Trinity users stick to the legal alternatives of Kopete and Konversation.
Tim
If yes,
there is another sever license problem with it,
incompatibility
between GPL-2.0 and MPL-1.1
Please provide a path to the code you are referring to.
5:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 21:37:05 Timothy Pearson wrote:
No, we do not include or maintain that software. The
Trinity project is
very concerned about the legal status of software included in our
repository, and software with questionable legal status that does not add
significant functionality to Trinity is not included. I suggest that
Trinity users stick to the legal alternatives of Kopete and Konversation.
The problem there is only with one file.
5:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 21:37:05 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
And what use is an instant messenger that does not support Yahoo?
As a project with limited resources we do not support applications that:
a.) Are maintained upstream
b.) Have standalone replacements that fully include the feature set of the
application in question
c.) Would utilise an unusual amount of Trinity developer resources to
maintain, especially applications where there are legal problems or b.)
above applies.
d.) Have a very low user base under Trinity.
Tim
No, we do not include or maintain that software.
The Trinity project is
very concerned about the legal status of software included in our
repository, and software with questionable legal status that does not
add
significant functionality to Trinity is not included. I suggest that
Trinity users stick to the legal alternatives of Kopete and
Konversation.
The problem there is only with one file.
5:47 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 21:42:20 Timothy Pearson wrote:
And what use is an instant messenger that does not support Yahoo?
I don't know, I do not use Yahoo personally. It has multiple
other plugins.
No, we do not include or maintain that software. The
Trinity project is
very concerned about the legal status of software included in our
repository, and software with questionable legal status that does not
add
significant functionality to Trinity is not included. I suggest that
Trinity users stick to the legal alternatives of Kopete and
Konversation.
The problem there is only with one file. As a project with limited resources we do not support
applications that:
a.) Are maintained upstream
b.) Have standalone replacements that fully include the feature set of the
application in question
c.) Would utilise an unusual amount of Trinity developer resources to
maintain, especially applications where there are legal problems or b.)
above applies.
d.) Have a very low user base under Trinity.
I just asked you, whether you have it, not why you do not have it.
5:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 21:42:20 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
And what use is an instant messenger that does not support Yahoo?
I don't know, I do not use Yahoo personally. It has multiple
other plugins.
I didn't really expect an answer to this question. Most users here would
expect an instant messenger to work with MSN and Yahoo--Kopete does!
> No,
we do not include or maintain that software. The Trinity project
is
very
concerned about the legal status of software included in our
repository, and software with questionable legal status that does not
add
significant functionality to Trinity is not included. I suggest that
Trinity users stick to the legal alternatives of Kopete and
Konversation.
The problem there is only with one file. As a project
with limited resources we do not support applications that:
a.) Are maintained upstream
b.) Have standalone replacements that fully include the feature set of
the
application in question
c.) Would utilise an unusual amount of Trinity developer resources to
maintain, especially applications where there are legal problems or b.)
above applies.
d.) Have a very low user base under Trinity.
I just asked you, whether you have it, not why you do not have it.
6:08 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 21:49:40 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I didn't really expect an answer to this question. Most users here would
expect an instant messenger to work with MSN and Yahoo--Kopete does!
Nobody uses Yahoo or MSN here though.
And what use is an instant messenger that does not
support Yahoo?
I don't know, I do not use Yahoo personally. It has multiple
other plugins. >> As a project with limited resources we do not
support applications that:
>> a.) Are maintained upstream
>> b.) Have standalone replacements that fully include the feature set of
>> the
>> application in question
I would prefer to use an application that is integrated with my desktop.
>> c.) Would utilise an unusual amount of
Trinity developer resources to
>> maintain, especially applications where there are legal problems or b.)
>> above applies.
>> d.) Have a very low user base under Trinity.
I don't think user base of Trinity is large anyway.
I just asked
you, whether you have it, not why you do not have it.
I know. :-) I just thought
this was a good time to post some policy on
what applications are included in Trinity.
6:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 21:49:40 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
I didn't really expect an answer to this question. Most users here
would
expect an instant messenger to work with MSN and Yahoo--Kopete does!
Nobody uses Yahoo or MSN here though.
And what use is an instant messenger that does not
support Yahoo?
I don't know, I do not use Yahoo personally. It has multiple
other plugins. > As a
project with limited resources we do not support applications
that:
> a.) Are maintained upstream
> b.) Have standalone replacements that fully include the feature set
of
>> the
>> application in question > c.)
Would utilise an unusual amount of Trinity developer resources to
> maintain, especially applications where there are legal problems or
b.)
>> above applies.
>> d.) Have a very low user base under Trinity.
6:55 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 22:43:01 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I would prefer to use an application that is integrated with my desktop.
What's wrong with Kopete or Konversation?
I don't know, do not use both. Anyway in Kopete I do not like the appearance.
I don't think user base of Trinity is large anyway.
Well, the population of power users is small compared to regular users in
most cases anyway. You know what I meant; out of Trinity users I would
bet most people never even heard of kde-sim.
I completely agree with you. But if you take power users, or 90% of of the
messengers for KDE3 the picture will not change.
Not only sim, but I bet they did not heard about the following instant messengers:
kmess
psi
licq
kadu
and many others.
> As a
project with limited resources we do not support applications
that:
> a.) Are maintained upstream
> b.) Have standalone replacements that fully include the feature set
of
>> the
>> application in question > c.) Would
utilise an unusual amount of Trinity developer resources to
> maintain, especially applications where there are legal problems or
b.)
>> above applies.
>> d.) Have a very low user base under Trinity. If you want to maintain it that's fine with me.
Oh now. It is quite enough for me that I maintain them in KDE:KDE3
I won't consider it for
inclusion in the Trinity archives until it supports the Yahoo protocol
legally again, and even then it would be conditional on your future
maintenance to handle problems with APIs, etc.
It is your project, maintain it yourself. I maintain my project,
you maintain yours. I only can point your attention to certain things.
From where I sit there are
plenty of good Trinity-integrated IRC applications available,
If you are talking about IRC apps, there are even more of them than instant messengers,
of course. But IRC and IM are something different things.
and effort
should be focused on fixing bugs and upcoming problems such as the
network-manager 0.9 API switch.
Sure.
28 Sep
28 Sep
2:15 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Does Trinity include the messenger SIM?
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 22:43:01 Timothy Pearson wrote:
Well, the population of power users is small compared to regular users in
most cases anyway. You know what I meant; out of Trinity users I would
bet most people never even heard of kde-sim.
If you want to maintain it that's fine with me. I won't consider it for
inclusion in the Trinity archives until it supports the Yahoo protocol
legally again,
There is no such legal problem in the newer version 0.9.5. It builds
successfully, although it uses cmake which is why its build was difficult
to set up.
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