Dear Ilya and Timothy,
I am using OpenSuse 11.4 with KDE:KDE3 and am VERY grateful for it! Many thanks, Ilya!
At the same time, I'm also very interested in the Trinity Desktop. Thanks, Timothy for all the great effort you are putting into it!
KDE:KDE3 and Trinity are brother projects. The hostility between the two of you must stop. Timothy, you have made a beginning on this. Ilya, please accept Tim's effort toward reconciliation. Both of you please think back to the time when you felt good toward each other, and restore that feeling now! Forget the angry things that were said. Just begin anew emotionally!
This is needed for the benefit, and perhaps the survival, of the human race!
I say that because KDE4 has been crippled in various ways. Crippled KDE4 creates a crippled GNU/Linux!
But the people of the world greatly need fully functional Linux for worldwide communication and political and economic organization.
At this unique moment in history, the world is at a crossroads. The people of this planet have been dominated by wealthy and powerful psychopaths for thousands of years. These monsters control most of our governments and news media. But now with the Internet, people have been exchanging accurate information about how the world works, and what's really going on.
Free open-source software runs the Internet, and it is also much more resistant than proprietary software to the increasing efforts by governments and corporations to censor the Net. The human race needs fully functional GNU/Linux with the power of KDE3, not crippled KDE4!
KDE4 has been crippled in many ways. The desktop names in the KDE4 desktop pager are not readable, so any more than about 4 desktops are very hard to use. I use 20 desktops.
KDE4 enforces the use of the phonon audio system, which won't work with the audio chip of my merely 4 year old Asus motherboard, and many others as well. These two things alone are sufficient to persuade many Linux experts not to recommend Linux with KDE4 to people, at least not enthusiastically. Linux must support the older machines found in less wealthy nations.
The bullshit KDE4 marketing ploy of renaming everything "plasma-this" and "plasma-that", as if they really invented something new, and the ridiculously complex and useless visual theming system for every tiny part of the GUI, and the stupid "cashews" and the poor UI for adjusting the panels, etc, etc, are also very offensive to rational, thinking people. We don't like to be manipulated!
Without a good KDE -- which means KDE3, not KDE4 -- Linux will not be widely recommended by expert Linux users, and thus will not be widely adopted by new people. The other desktop environments are becoming more oriented toward small-screen tablets and mobile phones, which are not suitable for getting real work done, and storing and organizing large amounts of data on multiple subjects, for thinking people with multiple interests (power users).
Without wide adoption of Linux and other free software, for communication and organization of the emerging World Community of people, humanity will suffer even more under the military and economic attacks by various corporate-controlled governments than it has already.
KDE was always the DE of choice among Linux power users before KDE4. The crippled KDE4 means crippled Linux for any distro that does not also offer easy selection of KDE3.
The world is now at a major turning point in history that can lead either to total domination by the wealthy, and thus world fascism and war, or to a World Community where all people benefit from economic activity and work and share ideas together.
Excellent, functional Linux, which means fully functional KDE3, is vital to history turning in a good direction now, since it's essential for communication and organization among the people of the world.
It also serves as a model of how sharing instead of competing can work in areas other than software. This is already happening in the publication of scientific papers freely accessible on the Web.
So, Ilya and Timothy, the results of your work go far beyond a set of software. No one knows how close we are to total nuclear annihilation by the vicious wars of the governments controlled by the ultra-wealthy, or to an electronic and computer enforced worldwide fascist police state far worse than what the Nazis and Stalinists created.
The human race needs to pull out of this nose-dive into extinction, and that means very good worldwide communication via the Net and personal computers, which means Linux and KDE3.
So please, Ilya, accept Tim's efforts of reconciliation. Both of you please stop saying anything negative about the other person and project for a while. If you need to criticize, please do it gently, kindly, and constructively. The work you are doing is extremely important! Both of you please re-think whether one or the other or both projects can be upstream (I don't really know what that means). Just forget about previous negative feelings toward each other. Lots of people are trying to save the human species from attacks by real monster psychopaths with weapons that can kill millions. The two of you may not have realized it, but your efforts and successes with KDE3, and thus with the increased worldwide adoption of GNU/Linux can help humankind substantially!
Sincerely,
Mark S Bilk mark@cosmicpenguin.com phone 650-968-1065 any time
Le Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:15:42 -0800, Mark S Bilk mark@cosmicpenguin.com a écrit :
KDE4 enforces the use of the phonon audio system, which won't work with the audio chip of my merely 4 year old Asus motherboard, and many others as well. These two things alone are sufficient to persuade many Linux experts not to recommend Linux with KDE4 to people, at least not enthusiastically. Linux must support the older machines found in less wealthy nations.
Did you try every Phonon backend available ? Except for really bad luck at least one of them should work.
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 03:43:27AM +0100, /dev/ammo42 wrote:
Le Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:15:42 -0800, Mark S Bilk mark@cosmicpenguin.com a écrit :
KDE4 enforces the use of the phonon audio system, which won't work with the audio chip of my merely 4 year old Asus motherboard, and many others as well. These two things alone are sufficient to persuade many Linux experts not to recommend Linux with KDE4 to people, at least not enthusiastically. Linux must support the older machines found in less wealthy nations.
Did you try every Phonon backend available ? Except for really bad luck at least one of them should work.
Thanks! No I didn't. No one in #suse suggested it. I don't know what the overall structure of the sound system is. I just switched back to alsa when I installed KDE3, and it works fine. One less pain in my backend. 8^)
Cheers Mark and well said.
Kate Draven
On Saturday 12 November 2011, Mark S Bilk wrote:
Dear Ilya and Timothy,
I am using OpenSuse 11.4 with KDE:KDE3 and am VERY grateful for it! Many thanks, Ilya!
At the same time, I'm also very interested in the Trinity Desktop. Thanks, Timothy for all the great effort you are putting into it!
KDE:KDE3 and Trinity are brother projects. The hostility between the two of you must stop. Timothy, you have made a beginning on this. Ilya, please accept Tim's effort toward reconciliation. Both of you please think back to the time when you felt good toward each other, and restore that feeling now! Forget the angry things that were said. Just begin anew emotionally!
This is needed for the benefit, and perhaps the survival, of the human race!
I say that because KDE4 has been crippled in various ways. Crippled KDE4 creates a crippled GNU/Linux!
But the people of the world greatly need fully functional Linux for worldwide communication and political and economic organization.
At this unique moment in history, the world is at a crossroads. The people of this planet have been dominated by wealthy and powerful psychopaths for thousands of years. These monsters control most of our governments and news media. But now with the Internet, people have been exchanging accurate information about how the world works, and what's really going on.
Free open-source software runs the Internet, and it is also much more resistant than proprietary software to the increasing efforts by governments and corporations to censor the Net. The human race needs fully functional GNU/Linux with the power of KDE3, not crippled KDE4!
KDE4 has been crippled in many ways. The desktop names in the KDE4 desktop pager are not readable, so any more than about 4 desktops are very hard to use. I use 20 desktops.
KDE4 enforces the use of the phonon audio system, which won't work with the audio chip of my merely 4 year old Asus motherboard, and many others as well. These two things alone are sufficient to persuade many Linux experts not to recommend Linux with KDE4 to people, at least not enthusiastically. Linux must support the older machines found in less wealthy nations.
The bullshit KDE4 marketing ploy of renaming everything "plasma-this" and "plasma-that", as if they really invented something new, and the ridiculously complex and useless visual theming system for every tiny part of the GUI, and the stupid "cashews" and the poor UI for adjusting the panels, etc, etc, are also very offensive to rational, thinking people. We don't like to be manipulated!
Without a good KDE -- which means KDE3, not KDE4 -- Linux will not be widely recommended by expert Linux users, and thus will not be widely adopted by new people. The other desktop environments are becoming more oriented toward small-screen tablets and mobile phones, which are not suitable for getting real work done, and storing and organizing large amounts of data on multiple subjects, for thinking people with multiple interests (power users).
Without wide adoption of Linux and other free software, for communication and organization of the emerging World Community of people, humanity will suffer even more under the military and economic attacks by various corporate-controlled governments than it has already.
KDE was always the DE of choice among Linux power users before KDE4. The crippled KDE4 means crippled Linux for any distro that does not also offer easy selection of KDE3.
The world is now at a major turning point in history that can lead either to total domination by the wealthy, and thus world fascism and war, or to a World Community where all people benefit from economic activity and work and share ideas together.
Excellent, functional Linux, which means fully functional KDE3, is vital to history turning in a good direction now, since it's essential for communication and organization among the people of the world.
It also serves as a model of how sharing instead of competing can work in areas other than software. This is already happening in the publication of scientific papers freely accessible on the Web.
So, Ilya and Timothy, the results of your work go far beyond a set of software. No one knows how close we are to total nuclear annihilation by the vicious wars of the governments controlled by the ultra-wealthy, or to an electronic and computer enforced worldwide fascist police state far worse than what the Nazis and Stalinists created.
The human race needs to pull out of this nose-dive into extinction, and that means very good worldwide communication via the Net and personal computers, which means Linux and KDE3.
So please, Ilya, accept Tim's efforts of reconciliation. Both of you please stop saying anything negative about the other person and project for a while. If you need to criticize, please do it gently, kindly, and constructively. The work you are doing is extremely important! Both of you please re-think whether one or the other or both projects can be upstream (I don't really know what that means). Just forget about previous negative feelings toward each other. Lots of people are trying to save the human species from attacks by real monster psychopaths with weapons that can kill millions. The two of you may not have realized it, but your efforts and successes with KDE3, and thus with the increased worldwide adoption of GNU/Linux can help humankind substantially!
Sincerely,
Mark S Bilk mark@cosmicpenguin.com phone 650-968-1065 any time
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