23 Oct
2021
23 Oct
'21
11:03 a.m.
It seems like the sources for the KDE 3 artwork featuring Konqi are lost or really hard to
find. I wouldn't mind rendering some new artwork featuring our mascot with a T instead
of a K on his scarf in Blender but I'm not sure about the licensing status of it or
where to find the model. Any ideas? Thanks.
23 Oct
23 Oct
11:24 a.m.
It would be nice to have new artwork for the mascot, but IMO what we really need is
something a little more radical. As Trinity is in fact, not KDE, so the mascot has to be
somewhat different. We could just take on another dragon mascot with an original design
and some other name. Thus, no licensing issues would arise. My point here: Konqi is nice,
but it's KDE. We need something our own.
I have long pondered the idea of some kind of a mascot contest. The mascot is, in some
part, the emotional soul of the project, and keeping the old version of another
project's mascot around is not a good sign.
There seemed to be some sort of proposal for such a contest several years ago, but the
discussion stalled. I'd like to take the chance of proposing this again, in the form
of a community artwork contest (which could take place on the Wiki). It's a simple
proposal, but it would be a big leap forward in terms of project distinction IMO.
--
Philippe
11:32 a.m.
Anno domini 18:24:27 Sat, 23 Oct 2021 +0000 (UTC)
Mavridis Philippe scripsit:
It would be nice to have new artwork for the mascot,
but IMO what we really need is something a little more radical. As Trinity is in fact, not
KDE, so the mascot has to be somewhat different. We could just take on another dragon
mascot with an original design and some other name. Thus, no licensing issues would arise.
My point here: Konqi is nice, but it's KDE. We need something our own.
I have long pondered the idea of some kind of a mascot contest. The mascot is, in some
part, the emotional soul of the project, and keeping the old version of another
project's mascot around is not a good sign.
There seemed to be some sort of proposal for such a contest several years ago, but the
discussion stalled. I'd like to take the chance of proposing this again, in the form
of a community artwork contest (which could take place on the Wiki). It's a simple
proposal, but it would be a big leap forward in terms of project distinction IMO.
--
Philippe
Ok, as there's a "T" in the name, the mascot sould definitly be Arnold aka
Terminator :)
Nik
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11:35 a.m.
I don't know the legal implications of *that* but then we could call it the
Trinitator. ;-)
23 Οκτ 2021 9:33:14 μ.μ. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp <dr.klepp(a)gmx.at>at>:
Anno domini 18:24:27 Sat, 23 Oct 2021 +0000 (UTC)
Mavridis Philippe scripsit:
It would be nice to have new artwork for the
mascot, but IMO what we really need is something a little more radical. As Trinity is in
fact, not KDE, so the mascot has to be somewhat different. We could just take on another
dragon mascot with an original design and some other name. Thus, no licensing issues would
arise. My point here: Konqi is nice, but it's KDE. We need something our own.
I have long pondered the idea of some kind of a mascot contest. The mascot is, in some
part, the emotional soul of the project, and keeping the old version of another
project's mascot around is not a good sign.
There seemed to be some sort of proposal for such a contest several years ago, but the
discussion stalled. I'd like to take the chance of proposing this again, in the form
of a community artwork contest (which could take place on the Wiki). It's a simple
proposal, but it would be a big leap forward in terms of project distinction IMO.
--
Philippe
Ok, as there's a "T" in the name, the mascot sould definitly be
Arnold aka Terminator :)
Nik
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12:15 p.m.
Borrowing ideas from science fiction is a nice idea, though I'm not sure of the legal
implications. Taking an animal as a base is a proven method of creating a mascot.
But whatever the mascot, we could draw a new graphic from time to time (e.g. between
releases). For example, we could draw the mascot in different themes (e.g. paying homage
to a different book/film each time). It's not totally unlike what OpenBSD is doing
each release (except the song part ;-).
Of course we can be dreamig about it all but whether we will actually be able to do
something with the mascot depends on whether the majority agrees to carry out such a
contest (or some other way of mascot selection).
Discussing the mascot before having seen actual proposals didn't work out the last
time. So a contest would probably be a better medium for decision?
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Philippe
23 Οκτ 2021 9:50:35 μ.μ. Hunter Ellett via tde-devels <devels(a)trinitydesktop.org>rg>:
On October 23, 2021 1:32:56 PM CDT, "Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp" <dr.klepp(a)gmx.at> wrote:
Ok, as there's a "T" in the name,
the mascot sould definitly be Arnold aka Terminator :)
Nik
I like it.. Maybe a robot called the Trinitator.. LOL
12:39 p.m.
On October 23, 2021 2:15:03 PM CDT, Mavridis Philippe <mavridisf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Of course we can be dreamig about it all but whether we
will actually be able to do something with the mascot depends on whether the majority
agrees to carry out such a contest (or some other way of mascot selection).
Discussing the mascot before having seen actual proposals didn't work out the last
time. So a contest would probably be a better medium for decision?
--
Philippe
We should definitely get something put together to do this.
12:59 p.m.
On Saturday 23 October 2021 03:15:03 pm Mavridis Philippe wrote:
Borrowing ideas from science fiction is a nice idea,
though I'm not sure of
the legal implications. Taking an animal as a base is a proven method of
creating a mascot.
But whatever the mascot, we could draw a new graphic from time to time
(e.g. between releases). For example, we could draw the mascot in different
themes (e.g. paying homage to a different book/film each time). It's not
totally unlike what OpenBSD is doing each release (except the song part
;-).
Of course we can be dreamig about it all but whether we will actually be
able to do something with the mascot depends on whether the majority agrees
to carry out such a contest (or some other way of mascot selection).
Discussing the mascot before having seen actual proposals didn't work out
the last time. So a contest would probably be a better medium for decision?
--
Philippe
I like this idea.
Thanks Philippe
24 Oct
24 Oct
2:50 a.m.
On 2021/10/24 04:15 AM, Mavridis Philippe wrote:
Borrowing ideas from science fiction is a nice idea,
though I'm not sure of the legal implications. Taking an animal as
a base is a proven method of creating a mascot.
But whatever the mascot, we could draw a new graphic from time to time (e.g. between
releases). For example, we could
draw the mascot in different themes (e.g. paying homage to a different book/film each
time). It's not totally unlike
what OpenBSD is doing each release (except the song part ;-).
Of course we can be dreamig about it all but whether we will actually be able to do
something with the mascot depends on
whether the majority agrees to carry out such a contest (or some other way of mascot
selection).
Discussing the mascot before having seen actual proposals didn't work out the last
time. So a contest would probably be
a better medium for decision?
--
Philippe
Indeed having our own mascot and differentiate ourselves from KDE would be great. And I
would say that it is probably
time we do something about it! :-)
Long ago there was a discussion about it and Bill proposed the "T.Rex", which
seems to fit well with both:
- having a T in the name
- resembling a dragon (kind-of of course, it's a dinosaur)
See post here :
http://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto…
We didn't do anything at the time, but I find it a good idea. What does everyone
think?
If someone wants to put forward an actual proposal for it, we can review and discuss
together. I can eat hex dump files
for breakfast, but I am terrible at drawing, so I won't definitely be proposing
anything from my side :-)
Cheers
Michele
2:56 a.m.
Anno domini 2021 Sun, 24 Oct 18:50:34 +0900
Michele Calgaro via tde-devels scripsit:
On 2021/10/24 04:15 AM, Mavridis Philippe wrote:
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Borrowing ideas from science fiction is a nice
idea, though I'm not sure of the legal implications. Taking an animal as
a base is a proven method of creating a mascot.
But whatever the mascot, we could draw a new graphic from time to time (e.g. between
releases). For example, we could
draw the mascot in different themes (e.g. paying homage to a different book/film each
time). It's not totally unlike
what OpenBSD is doing each release (except the song part ;-).
Of course we can be dreamig about it all but whether we will actually be able to do
something with the mascot depends on
whether the majority agrees to carry out such a contest (or some other way of mascot
selection).
Discussing the mascot before having seen actual proposals didn't work out the last
time. So a contest would probably be
a better medium for decision?
--
Philippe
Indeed having our own mascot and differentiate ourselves from KDE would be great. And I
would say that it is probably
time we do something about it! :-)
Long ago there was a discussion about it and Bill proposed the "T.Rex", which
seems to fit well with both:
- having a T in the name
- resembling a dragon (kind-of of course, it's a dinosaur)
See post here :
http://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto…
We didn't do anything at the time, but I find it a good idea. What does everyone
think?
If someone wants to put forward an actual proposal for it, we can review and discuss
together. I can eat hex dump files
for breakfast, but I am terrible at drawing, so I won't definitely be proposing
anything from my side :-)
Cheers
Michele
5:11 a.m.
New subject: Proposal for Community Mascot Contest (was: Making new artwork with 3D Konqi)
I propose on a community mascot contest, for the following reasons:
a) A community contest is common practice for such a decision;
b) It will give time for the interested community members to present
their own view of a mascot they consider appropriate;
c) Deciding on a mascot will be easier once we get to see real
submissions with original ideas;
d) This contest can potentially attract attention to the Trinity project;
e) We can decide on the best entry by voting through the mailing list;
f) It can potentially make the community feel closer to the project;
g) It can be well structured and organised.
We would set some rules for the contest (original work, allowed
licences, etc.). Submissions would be showcased on a special Wiki page
and voting would be organised on a mailing list. Eveybody would be
allowed to submit up to 3 proposals, each one with one image just
showing the mascot and up to 3 others like little demos of the mascot in
different interpretations/contexts.
A fixed deadline would be set for the submissions, and another one for
voting. Votes would be recorded on the contest wiki page. The submission
with most votes would become the mascot. In the unlikely case of there
being more than one winners, the decision could be left to the team. A
discussion could then take on about the winner submission, what ought to
be improved and such details.
So, what do you think of this? Constructive criticism is welcome ;-)
(BTW we could also have a wallpaper contest)
--
Philippe
P.S. Even though my drawing skills are average, I'd be happy to propose
a mascot on the contest.
5:30 a.m.
New subject: Proposal for Community Mascot Contest (was: Making new artwork with 3D Konqi)
On 2021/10/24 09:11 PM, Mavridis Philippe wrote:
I propose on a community mascot contest, for the
following reasons:
a) A community contest is common practice for such a decision;
b) It will give time for the interested community members to present their own view of a
mascot they consider appropriate;
c) Deciding on a mascot will be easier once we get to see real submissions with original
ideas;
d) This contest can potentially attract attention to the Trinity project;
e) We can decide on the best entry by voting through the mailing list;
f) It can potentially make the community feel closer to the project;
g) It can be well structured and organised.
We would set some rules for the contest (original work, allowed licences, etc.).
Submissions would be showcased on a
special Wiki page and voting would be organised on a mailing list. Eveybody would be
allowed to submit up to 3
proposals, each one with one image just showing the mascot and up to 3 others like little
demos of the mascot in
different interpretations/contexts.
A fixed deadline would be set for the submissions, and another one for voting. Votes
would be recorded on the contest
wiki page. The submission with most votes would become the mascot. In the unlikely case
of there being more than one
winners, the decision could be left to the team. A discussion could then take on about
the winner submission, what ought
to be improved and such details.
So, what do you think of this? Constructive criticism is welcome ;-)
(BTW we could also have a wallpaper contest)
--
Philippe
Sounds good to me. Let's bring up the proposals!!!! :-)
End of November for proposal submission is good? You can send them to the ML and I can
upload them on the wiki.
Cheers
Michele
7:54 a.m.
New subject: Proposal for Community Mascot Contest (was: Making new artwork with 3D Konqi)
On October 24, 2021 7:30:00 AM CDT, Michele Calgaro via tde-devels
Sounds good to me. Let's bring up the proposals!!!!
:-)
End of November for proposal submission is good? You can send them to the ML and I can
upload them on the wiki.
Challenge accepted. I can try to get something done by then. I have a really good idea for
one :-)
8:13 a.m.
New subject: Proposal for Community Mascot Contest
Sounds like anachronistic waste of time. TDE is about efficient use of computers,
not pets or sports teams.
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8:35 a.m.
New subject: Proposal for Community Mascot Contest
On Sunday 24 October 2021 10:13:33 am Felix Miata wrote:
Sounds like anachronistic waste of time. TDE is about
efficient use of
computers, not pets or sports teams.
I don't see how this hinders the progress of TDE at all. There's something
charming about having a mascot and it's good to distance ourselves from KDE
(heck, nothing about it resembles what TDE is about).
23 Oct
23 Oct
12:58 p.m.
On Saturday 23 October 2021 02:50:14 pm Hunter Ellett via tde-devels wrote:
I'll vote aye, on that.
The Borg agree.
On October 23, 2021 1:32:56 PM CDT, "Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp" <dr.klepp(a)gmx.at>
wrote:
Ok, as
there's a "T" in the name, the mascot sould definitly be Arnold aka
Terminator :)
Nik
I like it.. Maybe a robot called the Trinitator.. LOL
12:57 p.m.
On Saturday 23 October 2021 02:32:56 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 18:24:27 Sat, 23 Oct 2021 +0000 (UTC)
Mavridis Philippe scripsit:
LOL Oh NOooo!
It would be nice to have new artwork for the
mascot, but IMO what we
really need is something a little more radical. As Trinity is in fact,
not KDE, so the mascot has to be somewhat different. We could just take
on another dragon mascot with an original design and some other name.
Thus, no licensing issues would arise. My point here: Konqi is nice, but
it's KDE. We need something our own.
I have long pondered the idea of some kind of a mascot contest. The
mascot is, in some part, the emotional soul of the project, and keeping
the old version of another project's mascot around is not a good sign.
There seemed to be some sort of proposal for such a contest several years
ago, but the discussion stalled. I'd like to take the chance of proposing
this again, in the form of a community artwork contest (which could take
place on the Wiki). It's a simple proposal, but it would be a big leap
forward in terms of project distinction IMO.
--
Philippe
Ok, as there's a "T" in the name, the mascot sould definitly be Arnold aka
Terminator :)
Nik
11:43 a.m.
On October 23, 2021 1:24:27 PM CDT, Mavridis Philippe <mavridisf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It would be nice to have new artwork for the mascot,
but IMO what we really need is something a little more radical. As Trinity is in fact, not
KDE, so the mascot has to be somewhat different. We could just take on another dragon
mascot with an original design and some other name. Thus, no licensing issues would arise.
My point here: Konqi is nice, but it's KDE. We need something our own.
I agree since MATE did the same thing but I thought having the old three-dimensional Konqi
that's no longer used in KDE artwork is enough of a distinction. Its entirely
subjective but I really don't think a 2D mascot fits the project.
Now you have me thinking what would a good mascot be that isn't Konqi..
11:59 a.m.
I thought having the old three-dimensional Konqi
that's no longer used in KDE artwork is enough of a distinction
Well, I don't think so. It's still Konqi and, what's worse, it
connotates with KDE3, meaning no progress, no distinction.
Its entirely subjective but I really don't think a
2D mascot fits the project.
Depends on the design. 2D designs aren't all the same. I agree in that a flat mascot
would probably not mix well with the general look of Trinity. But e.g. a
2D-in-a-comics-ish-way mascot? Why not?
That's part of why a contest would be the ideal means of deciding on the mascot:
everyone could present their own view of the mascot and then we could all decide on the
best.
--
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