I need a sound played 10 minutes before each hour during the work day, such that it does not interfere with what’s on the screen, grab the mouse, or grab the keyboard. Scheduling it with cron is easy, but I can’t seem to get the sound to play reliably. I’m currently using:
/usr/bin/play --no-show-progress --volume .5 /opt/trinity/share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Connect.ogg
Sometimes that plays other times it’s silent.
I’ve also tried:
kaboodle /opt/trinity/share/sounds/KDE_Event_2.ogg
Which always plays, but I don’t know how to start it either minimized, closed to the system tray, or some other way so it doesn’t cause issues. I’ve seen some hokey solutions using wmctrl and/or xdotool, but they still pop up the program (kaboodle) before minimizing it.
AV isn’t really my forte, and I don’t really care what program works, does anyone have experience doing something like this?
Thanks, Michael
On Wednesday 16 November 2022 10:29:55 Michael wrote:
I need a sound played 10 minutes before each hour during the work day, such that it does not interfere with what’s on the screen, grab the mouse, or grab the keyboard. Scheduling it with cron is easy, but I can’t seem to get the sound to play reliably. I’m currently using:
/usr/bin/play --no-show-progress --volume .5 /opt/trinity/share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Connect.ogg
Sometimes that plays other times it’s silent.
I’ve also tried:
kaboodle /opt/trinity/share/sounds/KDE_Event_2.ogg
Which always plays, but I don’t know how to start it either minimized, closed to the system tray, or some other way so it doesn’t cause issues. I’ve seen some hokey solutions using wmctrl and/or xdotool, but they still pop up the program (kaboodle) before minimizing it.
AV isn’t really my forte, and I don’t really care what program works, does anyone have experience doing something like this?
Thanks, Michael
Just curious why it must be played on your computer; in which case, one has to deal with competing programs that may also use the sound system, not to mention these other disruptions, such as grabbing the mouse, etc.
If it were myself, I would of course set an alarm on my phone, then use a special sound file for just that alarm.
As for starting it minimized, I believe that you can set any window to start minimized: right-click at top of window > Advanced > Special Application Settings, etc.
My hunch is that you probably already know all this, and you have some special reasons for not wanting to use another device such as a phone for this task, and special application settings also don't quite fit.
So this is more like a research question. I am trying to picture your situation. To find a solution that matches your needs, it may require a little more information. There are, of course, lots of media players that could be used for the task.
Bill
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 12:29:55 -0600 Michael mb_trinity_desktop@inet-design.com wrote:
I need a sound played 10 minutes before each hour during the work day, such that it does not interfere with what’s on the screen, grab the mouse, or grab the keyboard. Scheduling it with cron is easy, but I can’t seem to get the sound to play reliably. I’m currently using:
/usr/bin/play --no-show-progress --volume .5 /opt/trinity/share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Connect.ogg
Sometimes that plays other times it’s silent.
What program is /usr/bin/play, actually? On my system, it's a symlink to sox, but we're not using the same distro.
I'd probably try mpg123, aplay, ffplay, or mplayer in roughtly that order (not all of which will take an ogg, but converting the file is a one-and-done operation). You want a player without a GUI for this, ideally a small one that doesn't use many resources.
Results may vary depending on what else you're doing with the soundcard and whether you're running aRts and/or pulseaudio and/or some other mixer.
E. Liddell
Thanks Bill, E.,
I'm such a luddite when it comes to GUI.
As for starting it minimized, I believe that you can set any window to start minimized: right-click at top of window > Advanced > Special Application Settings, etc.
I didn’t even know about the Special Application Settings. Once I finally figured out how to get it to work (make sure to click the X on the right to enable the setting!) it worked great to both minimize it and open it on the second desktop (that way it doesn’t flash in the task bar either).
I actually liked E.’s idea better, and tried a few, but ‘eh, I got Kaboodle to work, so I gave up looking for something that has a ‘--minimized’ switch. Here’s what worked in cron.
#!/bin/bash DISPLAY=:0 /opt/trinity/bin/kaboodle /opt/trinity/share/sounds/KDE_Window_Close.ogg
# # #
Oh, the goal is to get me off my butt once an hour, so if I’m not at the computer, I probably don’t need the sound. I have also turned off/force stopped/removed Google from my phone, which has mostly crippled it. All the default apps have to have notifications silenced or they spam you with, “Google services seems to be off, should I turn it back on?” Gotta love G’s persistence to spy on you, cause really, under what conceivable scenario does a calculator need to phone home to G to work? I could probably side load a third party timer though.
Thanks again, Michael
On Friday 18 November 2022 18:21:10 Michael wrote:
Thanks Bill, E.,
I'm such a luddite when it comes to GUI.
I am a Luddite in general, on principle; but only because the new technology would seem to divide people from one another. But that is a whole other off-topic discussion.
Oh, the goal is to get me off my butt once an hour, so if I’m not at the computer, I probably don’t need the sound. I have also turned off/force stopped/removed Google from my phone, which has mostly crippled it. All the default apps have to have notifications silenced or they spam you with, “Google services seems to be off, should I turn it back on?” Gotta love G’s persistence to spy on you, cause really, under what conceivable scenario does a calculator need to phone home to G to work? I could probably side load a third party timer though.
There's a great big pile of Google-free apps to be had on F-Droid and similar sites. I have installed *only* F-droid certified non-snooping and non-intrusive apps on my phone. And I do still get a notification about wanting me to update, and sometimes a recommendation to allow Google to know my location, and all that crap, but I just ignore them. Every couple months I am forced to do an update for my own good, whether I want one or not, but after I figure out how properly to root my phone, I will purge Google for ever and ever from my life.
First, though, I will get some practice by rooting my old phone, which still works, but gets no telephone signal. Interesting, though, is the fact that I can still use it for internet, so I am also thinking about moving to Linphone (recommended by Leslie) or some other internet phone.
I say the only reasonable response to Google's forced snooping, and other intrusions into our privacy, is just to reject them outright, or at least to pry oneself free, by small steps.
Check out F-Droid! if you haven't done already.
Bill
P.S. By the way, I use my *second* old phone to set alarms, because nothing else works on it any more. This keeps my other phones from giving up data. P.P.S., This has not gone totally off-topic, because someday soon I know that I will be running TDE on my phone.
On 2022-11-18 21:03:49 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
...I am also thinking about moving to Linphone (recommended by Leslie)...
Well, suggested...
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On Friday 18 November 2022 09:03:49 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I am also thinking about moving to Linphone (recommended by Leslie) or some other internet phone.
Huh, cool, it can be installed on Linux desktop!
https://www.linphone.org/technical-corner/linphone?qt-technical_corner=2#qt-...
On Friday 18 November 2022 20:10:48 Michael wrote:
On Friday 18 November 2022 09:03:49 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I am also thinking about moving to Linphone (recommended by Leslie) or some other internet phone.
Huh, cool, it can be installed on Linux desktop!
https://www.linphone.org/technical-corner/linphone?qt-technical_corner=2#qt -technical_corner ____________________________________________________
Linphone? yup, that's what I like, that I can use it on both.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:03:49 -0800 William Morder via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
P.P.S., This has not gone totally off-topic, because someday soon I know that I will be running TDE on my phone.
A PinePhone might be able to do it already, although they have . . . other issues.
E. Liddell
On Saturday 19 November 2022 05:24:06 E. Liddell wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:03:49 -0800
William Morder via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
P.P.S., This has not gone totally off-topic, because someday soon I know that I will be running TDE on my phone.
A PinePhone might be able to do it already, although they have . . . other issues.
E. Liddell
Yeah, I got all excited when I first heard about them, but as I followed their progress over a few years, enthusiasm has waned. I do still hope that they get it together, but it's hard for those smaller development projects to compete with the big dogs. Google has very deep pockets.
Better now, I think, to get a phone that is already reliable, root that device, install a GNU/Linux free/libre OS, and work with that until something better comes along. Whenever that happens, I am ready to jump on it, but I won't hold my breath waiting for a miracle.
Meanwhile, I can get a FREE phone with a new account (& I am old enough to qualify for one of those discounted plans, so it only costs me $10 US a month); that's cheaper, and I don't worry so much about bricking it.
My new phone, by the way, does have a "desktop mode"; I haven't explored whatever that is, but I am guessing that where TDE will find a home on my phone.
Bill
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 19 Nov 10:43:55 -0800 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Saturday 19 November 2022 05:24:06 E. Liddell wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:03:49 -0800
William Morder via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
P.P.S., This has not gone totally off-topic, because someday soon I know that I will be running TDE on my phone.
A PinePhone might be able to do it already, although they have . . . other issues.
E. Liddell
Yeah, I got all excited when I first heard about them, but as I followed their progress over a few years, enthusiasm has waned. I do still hope that they get it together, but it's hard for those smaller development projects to compete with the big dogs. Google has very deep pockets.
Better now, I think, to get a phone that is already reliable, root that device, install a GNU/Linux free/libre OS, and work with that until something better comes along. Whenever that happens, I am ready to jump on it, but I won't hold my breath waiting for a miracle.
Meanwhile, I can get a FREE phone with a new account (& I am old enough to qualify for one of those discounted plans, so it only costs me $10 US a month); that's cheaper, and I don't worry so much about bricking it.
My new phone, by the way, does have a "desktop mode"; I haven't explored whatever that is, but I am guessing that where TDE will find a home on my phone.
Oh you youngsters! My phone is a Siemens C55 :)
Nik
Bill
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On Saturday 19 November 2022 12:03:46 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 19 Nov 10:43:55 -0800
Oh you youngsters! My phone is a Siemens C55 :)
Nik
Who you calling "young"? I will be 65 in a few months, though I still feel about age 17 or so; however, I find that I now have a hard time determining the ages of people between about 15-50 years, as they all look like children to me.
I keep an old ZTE Blackberry-type phone that I still use for some tasks, such as alarms.
If I had my druthers, I'd stick with a landline and no snooper device at all, but it is obvious that people are being herded into using smartphones, and there is no escape for some things. (Some jobs require a smartphone, and many services here in the US are available only for smartphone users.)
Instead of pleading ignorance of the new technology (and then to fend off well-meaning do-gooders, or get me branded as a heretic by the new tech-loving Inquisition, I believe that it's better to know enough about the new stuff coming out, just so I can avoid the unwanted side-effects.
Bill
On 2022-11-19 14:50:05 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 19 November 2022 12:03:46 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sat, 19 Nov 10:43:55 -0800
Oh you youngsters! My phone is a Siemens C55 :)
Nik
Who you calling "young"? I will be 65 in a few months, though I still feel about age 17 or so; however, I find that I now have a hard time determining the ages of people between about 15-50 years, as they all look like children to me.
I keep an old ZTE Blackberry-type phone that I still use for some tasks, such as alarms.
If I had my druthers, I'd stick with a landline and no snooper device at all, but it is obvious that people are being herded into using smartphones, and there is no escape for some things. (Some jobs require a smartphone, and many services here in the US are available only for smartphone users.)
Instead of pleading ignorance of the new technology (and then to fend off well-meaning do-gooders, or get me branded as a heretic by the new tech-loving Inquisition, I believe that it's better to know enough about the new stuff coming out, just so I can avoid the unwanted side-effects.
Bill
Hear, Hear!
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William Morder via tde-users wrote:
My new phone, by the way, does have a "desktop mode"; I haven't explored whatever that is, but I am guessing that where TDE will find a home on my phone.
Please post if you get some meaningful results. I moved from Nokia N9 (MeeGo project - pure linux with debian based packaging) to the spin of SailFish OS by Jolla (is continuation of the MeeGo but with RPM based packaging)
I am using it as my main phone with the android emulator (AlienDalvik) for some Android apps. The problem with TDE is that it was not developed for touchscreen , so without a key board and mouse, I don't think it will work. There are also tons of other details where many vendors failed on.
One of my major use cases I manage to handle is the sync of PIM between phone and TDE via bluetooth.
The phone is Sony Xperia X and since last year Sony Xperia 10 II and works pretty well (especially the later with Android 10 based emulator)
However the base system is the android kernel. I did not have time to read about Pine Phone or Free Phone, but I am curios if there are any new developments.
BR
On Saturday 19 November 2022 23.00:54 deloptes wrote:
However the base system is the android kernel. I did not have time to read about Pine Phone or Free Phone, but I am curios if there are any new developments.
I've got the PinePhone Pro and it's still far from being really usable - although when I have time I'll try to install the newest systems and see how far it has improved.
Power management is still not good, for the time being.
Thierry
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I've got the PinePhone Pro and it's still far from being really usable - although when I have time I'll try to install the newest systems and see how far it has improved.
I read many months ago about the Pine Phone and was not convinced in anyway that it is useful either. Let me know what is your experience and share some use cases. For example can you sync data, how the usual features work, calendar, alarms, sms, e-mail clients etc.
How does it behave in a car - can you connect and use the phone (HFP)?
can you encrypt the filesystem?
which ECO systems are available?
Can you use clients such as Signal, WhatsApp, Firefox?
thank you
On Sunday 20 November 2022 00.46:29 deloptes wrote:
I read many months ago about the Pine Phone and was not convinced in anyway that it is useful either. Let me know what is your experience and share some use cases. For example can you sync data, how the usual features work, calendar, alarms, sms, e-mail clients etc.
I'd be happy to share, but you seem to be a much heavier phone user than I am :)
I don't think many (if any) "linux application for phone" have been writen, so you mostly have to rely on apps that were not inteded to be used on a phone (or a tiny screen, or a vertical screen).
As far as I undestand, Pine's idea is that no one will write these applpications as long as there is no hardware, so they try to provide that hardware. The software still has to be created.
How does it behave in a car - can you connect and use the phone (HFP)?
Sorry, don't know what HFP means (english is not my mother tongue). Hand free maybe? There is bluetooth but I never tried to connect in a car (only use it with a special app to control charging...). I'll take a look.
can you encrypt the filesystem?
I guess this will depend on the system. Never tried it with android either, I have no secrets on my phone...
which ECO systems are available?
Not sure what you mean. Some linux-for-phone systems are based on regular distributions, such as Mobian - Debian. Some GUIs are based on KDE. But I did not have the feeling that there was a real integration at this point.
Can you use clients such as Signal, WhatsApp, Firefox?
Firefox sure. Does Signal have a Linux version? AFAIK WhatsApp is IOS/Android only (but as I use neither this in only hearsay).
I must say I'm rather a phone hater - I use my Android as a PDA (alarm, short notes, Kindle), parking paying and - when I absolutely have to - phoning. I usually have phone costs (all included) of less then $5 a month...
Thierry
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I read many months ago about the Pine Phone and was not convinced in anyway that it is useful either. Let me know what is your experience and share some use cases. For example can you sync data, how the usual features work, calendar, alarms, sms, e-mail clients etc.
I'd be happy to share, but you seem to be a much heavier phone user than I am :)
well, I can not carry my PC in the pocket - so except phone and sms, I need reminders (calendar) and contacts, which I need to sync (and I refuse to use cloud services for that) The other thing is that I have issue with business contacts, mails and scheduled meetings, so I need some kind of outlook on the phone as well. These are my use cases and I basically driven from the need to do business.
I don't think many (if any) "linux application for phone" have been writen, so you mostly have to rely on apps that were not inteded to be used on a phone (or a tiny screen, or a vertical screen).
I contradict, because Sailfish (the former MeeGo) was developed exactly for smart phones.
As far as I undestand, Pine's idea is that no one will write these applpications as long as there is no hardware, so they try to provide that hardware. The software still has to be created.
Well this is where former Nokia and later Jolla/Sailfish failed and this is how Alien Dalvik got adopted (license cost 50€ and is permanent). So the point is that the developer expects some kind of monetization and if the community is not big enough, there is no motivation to write apps
How does it behave in a car - can you connect and use the phone (HFP)?
Sorry, don't know what HFP means (english is not my mother tongue). Hand free maybe? There is bluetooth but I never tried to connect in a car (only use it with a special app to control charging...). I'll take a look.
Yes, HFP is hands free profile. The other one that you may use is HSP (head set profile). HFP is used mostly in cars as it offers some additional functions.
can you encrypt the filesystem?
I guess this will depend on the system. Never tried it with android either, I have no secrets on my phone...
which ECO systems are available?
Not sure what you mean. Some linux-for-phone systems are based on regular distributions, such as Mobian - Debian. Some GUIs are based on KDE. But I did not have the feeling that there was a real integration at this point.
the eco system is the apps and the way you manage them (install, access to data on the phone, monetization, user base etc.)
Can you use clients such as Signal, WhatsApp, Firefox?
Firefox sure. Does Signal have a Linux version? AFAIK WhatsApp is IOS/Android only (but as I use neither this in only hearsay).
Yes it has Linux version, but it is closed/pre-compiled for specific distributions. WhatsApp is BS, but they use it here and I need it for contacting the school etc.
I must say I'm rather a phone hater - I use my Android as a PDA (alarm, short notes, Kindle), parking paying and - when I absolutely have to - phoning. I usually have phone costs (all included) of less then $5 a month...
Oh, good that you can be so conservative, I am trying too, but I already described the use cases that are driven by the circumstances. The stupid thing is that is expected if you want to be part of the company/social life :/
BR
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 00:46:29 +0100 deloptes emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org wrote:
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I've got the PinePhone Pro and it's still far from being really usable - although when I have time I'll try to install the newest systems and see how far it has improved.
I read many months ago about the Pine Phone and was not convinced in anyway that it is useful either. Let me know what is your experience and share some use cases. For example can you sync data, how the usual features work, calendar, alarms, sms, e-mail clients etc.
How does it behave in a car - can you connect and use the phone (HFP)?
can you encrypt the filesystem?
which ECO systems are available?
Can you use clients such as Signal, WhatsApp, Firefox?
WhatsApp has a Web client, so if there's a usable browser, you have access to it too. (Someone also wrote an Electron-based desktop wrapper, but there's no indication of whether it works on ARM.)
The main issue with the PinePhone Pro, as I understand it, is that the software is effectively alpha quality as yet. Another year or two and it should hopefully be a lot more usable. It can run several different Linux distros as well as Android, but reliability for phone-specific stuff just isn't there yet.
E. Liddell
E. Liddell wrote:
It can run several different Linux distros as well as Android, but reliability for phone-specific stuff just isn't there yet.
Well, I can sing a song about it. I have written a client to oFono (still very alpha - see attached) to utilize HFP over BT, but it crashes now and then after closing a phone call. As a result kmix hits 100% CPU (cause pulseaudio dies beneath). It took me few months to rule out it is not the code, but something between oFono, pulseaudio and bluetooth. I have only few hours now and then to do some development.
On Sunday 20 November 2022 11:17:54 deloptes wrote:
E. Liddell wrote:
It can run several different Linux distros as well as Android, but reliability for phone-specific stuff just isn't there yet.
Well, I can sing a song about it. I have written a client to oFono (still very alpha - see attached) to utilize HFP over BT, but it crashes now and then after closing a phone call. As a result kmix hits 100% CPU (cause pulseaudio dies beneath). It took me few months to rule out it is not the code, but something between oFono, pulseaudio and bluetooth. I have only few hours now and then to do some development.
That screenshot looks nice, comforting, oddly familiar ... like some home where I used to live long ago ... like TDE/KDE3!
Not a bad start.
Bill
On Saturday 19 November 2022 14:00:54 deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
My new phone, by the way, does have a "desktop mode"; I haven't explored whatever that is, but I am guessing that where TDE will find a home on my phone.
Please post if you get some meaningful results. I moved from Nokia N9 (MeeGo project - pure linux with debian based packaging) to the spin of SailFish OS by Jolla (is continuation of the MeeGo but with RPM based packaging)
I've been thinking of trying it out with an external keyboard and mouse, if I can get one to work on this new phone.
I did have another smartphone for a job a few years ago, and I managed to connect it to external keyboard, mouse, hard drives & flash drives, etc. There are a couple of gadgets I have, which ought to allow me to connect my phone to anything via USB. But so far I haven't had the ambition or enough free time and relative seclusion, so that I won't be constantly interrupted in the middle of some complicated or delicate operation.
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I've been thinking of trying it out with an external keyboard and mouse, if I can get one to work on this new phone.
I did have another smartphone for a job a few years ago, and I managed to connect it to external keyboard, mouse, hard drives & flash drives, etc. There are a couple of gadgets I have, which ought to allow me to connect my phone to anything via USB. But so far I haven't had the ambition or enough free time and relative seclusion, so that I won't be constantly interrupted in the middle of some complicated or delicate operation.
Yes, the lack of time is a big issue so stability of the device is crucial. In fact a phone should be able primary to make phone calls. But working in modern environment requires having a smart phone. This is also why I prefer using TDE (it just works as it did back in 2005). I tried Android and it was disgusting. Constantly updates, privacy issues and alike. I wish we could implement MTP in TDE, but I found out I do not have the time to dive into it. I compiled TDE 14.1 for RPI and wanted to replace my desktop PC, but found out that the scanner software is bound to x86 architecture and gave it up. It is hard to match all use cases on alternative devices.
On Saturday 19 November 2022 16:20:30 deloptes wrote:
This is also why I prefer using TDE (it just works as it did back in 2005). I tried Android and it was disgusting. Constantly updates, privacy issues and alike. I wish we could implement MTP in TDE, but I found out I do not have the time to dive into it. I compiled TDE 14.1 for RPI and wanted to replace my desktop PC, but found out that the scanner software is bound to x86 architecture and gave it up. It is hard to match all use cases on alternative devices.
For the present, I think that if we get some practice at how properly to root our smartphones without bricking them (such as I want to do with my older smartphone), and manage to get a free/libre OS installed, that will provide a place to experiment with putting TDE on a smartphone desktop.
So that will be my first goal, to root my older phone. If anybody else wants to join in the experiment, then we can pool our knowledge.
Once we have prepared the ground, so to speak, then maybe we can talk realistically about creating a version of TDE for phones. On my older phone, if I recall correctly, it was possible to install debian packages (or at least there were some modified Debian programs available, made into smartphone apps?); I never did much with it, but I remember one app in particular that was called L'il Debbie (after the name of a brand of junk food, cookies and cupcakes, etc., also playing on Debian), but I could not determine if it actually *did* anything. In any case, the command-line in Android works almost the same as Debian, but again, I haven't explored much.
Well anyway ... if anybody out there wants to collaborate on rooting smartphones and installing a Google-free OS, the help would be appreciated. I've done some reading and research, but (I keep reminding people) I am not a techie or geek.
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
So that will be my first goal, to root my older phone. If anybody else wants to join in the experiment, then we can pool our knowledge.
well the problem is the drivers for the hardware. except for project like Pine Phone or Free Phone manufacturers do not provide information. Jolla uses the AOSP program by Sony and is able to build/port the MeeGo to the hardware creating sophisticated layer between the Android kernel and the application layer, so I am really sceptical about you undertaking.
Once we have prepared the ground, so to speak, then maybe we can talk realistically about creating a version of TDE for phones. On my older phone, if I recall correctly, it was possible to install debian packages (or at least there were some modified Debian programs available, made into smartphone apps?); I never did much with it, but I remember one app in particular that was called L'il Debbie (after the name of a brand of junk food, cookies and cupcakes, etc., also playing on Debian), but I could not determine if it actually *did* anything. In any case, the command-line in Android works almost the same as Debian, but again, I haven't explored much.
Well Android is a Linux fork, but again, you can't just get the hardware working without drivers, which are mostly proprietary and closed
Well anyway ... if anybody out there wants to collaborate on rooting smartphones and installing a Google-free OS, the help would be appreciated. I've done some reading and research, but (I keep reminding people) I am not a techie or geek.
I hope for a break through, but again ... things worsened since 2008 and no light at the end of the tunnel yet, although I am not actively following any new developments
On Sunday 20 November 2022 04:23:30 deloptes wrote:
I am really sceptical about you undertaking.
You are not alone. Your scepticism is shared by the Present Author. ;-)
Well Android is a Linux fork, but again, you can't just get the hardware working without drivers, which are mostly proprietary and closed
My ambition is not to create a working, fully-functional smartphone with a TDE desktop. I want only to see if it is possible to get it installed in such an environment. I realize that there is a different file system, the problem with drivers, etc., etc.
Long ago (20 years?), I knew somebody who actually installed Linux on a phone. I don't know how, don't know if it actually worked. I didn't hear much more about it, so I assume that it wasn't really functional, but he actually got Linux to run on a phone, and this was one of those really old cheap phones; not one of our new smartphones.
If I get a chance to talk to him about that (probably not soon), then I will find out more about how and so on. At the time, it seemed like building a ship in a bottle: interesting, but not really practical. Now it suddenly seems like a good idea.
As I said, I have a brand-new, working phone, but I don't intend to do anything to mess up that device (yet), as I do actually use it for maybe 5-10 calls a month.
However, I also have an older smartphone, which does not receive a phone signal any longer, but which still can connect to Internet. This is the device that I intend to start on. Once I get it rooted - if I don't brick it - I intend to install Replicant, Sailfish, or whatever is closest to GNU/Linux free/libre (meaning, I won't be restricted by proprietary barriers), and there, if I have enough capacity, I will try to install a TDE desktop, just to see if it is possible.
Other phones (as I've heard here and elsewhere) use some modified KDE desktop, if they have a proper desktop at all, so perhaps I am not yet entirely out of my mind. (Some may suppose otherwise.)
After I get practice at rooting my older smartphone, and installing a free/libre OS, then I will try it out on my new phone, my primary phone. At present, I don't intend to experiment with TDE on my new phone, but in another year or two it will become my older phone, and then anything goes.
As for the rooting, I've been doing my research, and I hope that over the winter months, that will be my project, to root my older phone, and if all goes well, to get my new phone rooted, Google-free, running a free/libre OS, and to be functional.
I looked round for some kind of group that is into rooting Android phones, but they don't seem to exist, or maybe they keep to themselves. I suppose that this would be like building a pirate ship in a bottle.
Bill
Hi Bill!
Anno domini 2022 Sun, 20 Nov 10:50:31 -0800 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Sunday 20 November 2022 04:23:30 deloptes wrote:
I am really sceptical about you undertaking.
You are not alone. Your scepticism is shared by the Present Author. ;-)
Well Android is a Linux fork, but again, you can't just get the hardware working without drivers, which are mostly proprietary and closed
My ambition is not to create a working, fully-functional smartphone with a TDE desktop. I want only to see if it is possible to get it installed in such an environment. I realize that there is a different file system, the problem with drivers, etc., etc.
Long ago (20 years?), I knew somebody who actually installed Linux on a phone. I don't know how, don't know if it actually worked. I didn't hear much more about it, so I assume that it wasn't really functional, but he actually got Linux to run on a phone, and this was one of those really old cheap phones; not one of our new smartphones.
If I get a chance to talk to him about that (probably not soon), then I will find out more about how and so on. At the time, it seemed like building a ship in a bottle: interesting, but not really practical. Now it suddenly seems like a good idea.
As I said, I have a brand-new, working phone, but I don't intend to do anything to mess up that device (yet), as I do actually use it for maybe 5-10 calls a month.
However, I also have an older smartphone, which does not receive a phone signal any longer, but which still can connect to Internet. This is the device that I intend to start on. Once I get it rooted - if I don't brick it - I intend to install Replicant, Sailfish, or whatever is closest to GNU/Linux free/libre (meaning, I won't be restricted by proprietary barriers), and there, if I have enough capacity, I will try to install a TDE desktop, just to see if it is possible.
Other phones (as I've heard here and elsewhere) use some modified KDE desktop, if they have a proper desktop at all, so perhaps I am not yet entirely out of my mind. (Some may suppose otherwise.)
After I get practice at rooting my older smartphone, and installing a free/libre OS, then I will try it out on my new phone, my primary phone. At present, I don't intend to experiment with TDE on my new phone, but in another year or two it will become my older phone, and then anything goes.
As for the rooting, I've been doing my research, and I hope that over the winter months, that will be my project, to root my older phone, and if all goes well, to get my new phone rooted, Google-free, running a free/libre OS, and to be functional.
I looked round for some kind of group that is into rooting Android phones, but they don't seem to exist, or maybe they keep to themselves. I suppose that this would be like building a pirate ship in a bottle.
These groups exist, a starting point is https://forum.xda-developers.com - but you'll need chinese and russian language skills quite soon. That said ... been there, done that ... and in the end all forfeit. Sharp Zaurus looked like the dawn of a new periode, Nokia N900 too, and at last Android. "The system is rigged" if I may cite a well known person that just got his twitter account reinstantiated.
To sum up 25 years: rooted smartphones are not rooted at all. Yes, you get a different GUI, you get rid of bloatware etc, but the "rooted" application processor is only second class citizen on your phone. Master is the baseband processor aka "modem" - and that's owned by your vendor/provider/3letters. And to make things worse, "some" devices (notable eary Samsung Galaxy Note) have hw-debug of the application processor wired to the baseband. Guess why. Guess what you can do with that.
Yes, it's cool to thinker with these devices - as long as you get payed for it. Even then, I would not consider signing a contract for these things again. Just my 2¢.
Nik
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On Sunday 20 November 2022 11:28:56 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Bill!
Anno domini 2022 Sun, 20 Nov 10:50:31 -0800
I looked round for some kind of group that is into rooting Android phones, but they don't seem to exist, or maybe they keep to themselves. I suppose that this would be like building a pirate ship in a bottle.
To sum up 25 years: rooted smartphones are not rooted at all.
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Yes, it's cool to thinker with these devices - as long as you get payed for it. Even then, I would not consider signing a contract for these things again. Just my 2�.
Nik
Well, as somebody else said earlier in this thread, these smartphones are becoming necessary for almost everything. True, I am getting old enough that I can avoid being forced to change my way of life, but there is also a kind of social stigma against those who are not fervent believers in the wholesome goodness of smartphones; the Apple-users are the worst, as they are the most trusting, because of course they cannot actually tinker with their devices at all. (I think jailbreaking iPhones has almost disappeared, or I don't hear about it any more.)
And while I would prefer to stick with a landline, and my only computer is a desktop (with maybe a laptop for travel), I find that I do not live in such a world, that at every turn I am pressured to use my smartphone to verify, or pay, or to do practically anything.
The rule of smartphones has indirectly interfered with my travel plans, with my work, my finances, and I am trying to extricate myself from this trap. Since I cannot, at present, get rid of my smartphone completely, then the next best thing is to try to get control over it.
Whenever I can live elsewhere, then I hope to get far enough away from dense urban areas that I don't need a smartphone, and a landline and/or dumbphone will do. Yes, there is still such a place in this world, where large areas have no cellular coverage at all. While they have discovered the internet, everybody seems blissfully unconcerned about smartphones, because they can't get a signal, anyway.
Bill
On Sunday 20 November 2022 21.01:43 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Well, as somebody else said earlier in this thread, these smartphones are becoming necessary for almost everything. True, I am getting old enough that I can avoid being forced to change my way of life,
Yes. Just had to "activate two factor authentification" just to be able to order a new microwave...
But there are things I refuse. Whats app is such a thing. If they don't send e-mails, I'm out (and willing to remain).
Luckily my school did not choose to use Teams for messages, but others seem to make this choice: you sens a mail (with an M$ address because it's for work) and you get an invitation to an online meeting...
On Sunday 20 November 2022 12:20:36 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Sunday 20 November 2022 21.01:43 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Well, as somebody else said earlier in this thread, these smartphones are becoming necessary for almost everything. True, I am getting old enough that I can avoid being forced to change my way of life,
Yes. Just had to "activate two factor authentification" just to be able to order a new microwave...
I am thinking about a solar oven. But now I hear that Jackery (among others) has a 2600W power bank (whatever is the proper term?), with solar panels to match, etc., etc. This is a portable solar generator setup, and it is almost enough to run a whole house.
So I am thinking to keep anything that can be powered by my solar setup.
But there are things I refuse. Whats app is such a thing. If they don't send e-mails, I'm out (and willing to remain).
I do send SMS message on my phone, because I have contacts who are too lazy or not smart enough or just unwilling to use XMPP/Jabber. However, except for those few laggards, I try to stick to messaging only by Jabber, which I use over Tor.
Luckily my school did not choose to use Teams for messages, but others seem to make this choice: you sens a mail (with an M$ address because it's for work) and you get an invitation to an online meeting...
This is another perk of getting older. I can only say that I am glad that I missed all that, because I know that I would be even more unemployable in that glorious future that I can already see here and now.
Bill
Anno domini 2022 Sun, 20 Nov 12:01:43 -0800 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
[...] Whenever I can live elsewhere, then I hope to get far enough away from dense urban areas that I don't need a smartphone, and a landline and/or dumbphone will do. Yes, there is still such a place in this world, where large areas have no cellular coverage at all. While they have discovered the internet, everybody seems blissfully unconcerned about smartphones, because they can't get a signal, anyway.
Green Bank, West Virginia, for example. It's not allowed in the Free West to peak of the other regions.
Nik
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On Monday 21 November 2022 00:49:26 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sun, 20 Nov 12:01:43 -0800
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
[...] Whenever I can live elsewhere, then I hope to get far enough away from dense urban areas that I don't need a smartphone, and a landline and/or dumbphone will do. Yes, there is still such a place in this world, where large areas have no cellular coverage at all. While they have discovered the internet, everybody seems blissfully unconcerned about smartphones, because they can't get a signal, anyway.
Green Bank, West Virginia, for example. It's not allowed in the Free West to peak of the other regions.
Nik
Yeah, I do know about that area, where radio signals are limited, and all wireless devices are banned, so that they don't interfere with their scientifc research and military spookery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Radio_Quiet_Zone
That's Gene's neck of the woods. I don't know much about it myself, but I intend to check out the area for livability.
Myself, I still need to be close enough to a university with a proper research library, so I need to do some reconnaissance on the ground to determine where will fit my needs. (I am a very selective Luddite.) But it may not need to be WV, as there are other places.
Not too far northeast of there is the area where I grew up, and my home town is only a 30 minute drive from Penn State, and they have seven research libraries, and I have relatives all over that area, etc. But also, that is Amish country, and because large areas are taken up with their communities, there isn't much need for cellular service. Only a short distance outside any city or large town, and nobody can get a signal. Unless everybody starts using satellite phones, or somehow hooks up with Elon Musk's Starlink, I don't foresee things changing soon.
Well, anyway, I still have a few things to finish up here, before I can think about moving. And recent events around the world (war and its effects, for example) have made me postpone my plans.
Bill
On 11/21/22 03:52, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Sun, 20 Nov 12:01:43 -0800 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
[...] Whenever I can live elsewhere, then I hope to get far enough away from dense urban areas that I don't need a smartphone, and a landline and/or dumbphone will do. Yes, there is still such a place in this world, where large areas have no cellular coverage at all. While they have discovered the internet, everybody seems blissfully unconcerned about smartphones, because they can't get a signal, anyway.
Green Bank, West Virginia, for example. It's not allowed in the Free West to peak of the other regions.
Nik
Bill
Which, if you've time for demo of the stupidity a gvmnt agency, in this care the FCC, can really screw things up hopelessly. Background, early 2000's and they have published a list of the new channel assignments we are supposed to use when we switch to digital. I am the now 20 years retired, CE of WDTV-5 and at that point I called Wes Sizemore, who is in charge of seeing to it that Grenn Bank is not disturbed by any radio or tv signals getting into their dishes, Wes wants to know what the frequency is, so I tell him and about 45 seconds later, he asks if I'm sitting down. Fisher Hill, just north of Weston WV is where the ch5 transmitter is, and has been since back in the '50's. And we've been at full power output, 100kw, on channel 5 from the gitgo.
But.... Fisher Hill is about 3 miles INSIDE the Green Bank NRQZ.
Channel's 56 and 58 are what the FCC originally proposed for us, as we had jut bought the remains of the bankrupt fox station.
Wes says he'll have to shut us down if we make more than 4.78 watts of noise toward 270 degrees true. I take a deep breath and request an official letter confirming that.
Which I got in due time, and dropped it on the copy machine for about 10 copies because I was going to have some fun with them at the annual NAB in another month, going around to the various transmitter makers asking for a quote for 2 transmitters and antenna's to be used. Most had real engineers in their booths and got the message in 30 seconds or less and we all had good laughs.
In the meantime, I had sicced our fcc lawyer after them. Their computer completely forgot our transmitter on Fisher Hill was about 3 miles inside the Green Bank NRQZ.
Took them a couple years, but they finally decided we could stay on ch-5.
That's good, but later side effects are the killers. We are the only low band vhf broadcaster in the country now, and except for a run of 100 or so, by channel master a couple years ago, no new low band antennas are being made. So we've laid a high def fiber link to nearly all the cable systems in our area.
I'm glad I retired 20 years ago. Somebody else can deal with the idiots now.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
gene heskett wrote:
I'm glad I retired 20 years ago. Somebody else can deal with the idiots now.
this is taking pandemic dimensions all over the globe and is likely to accelerate in the future (especially in the west). Education is broken from the kinder garden to the university. We were laughing few years ago that the movie "Idiocracy" is not a fiction but is the now, however we did not expected to have the future so fast arriving to reality. It is hopeless!
On Monday 21 November 2022 23:01:34 deloptes wrote:
gene heskett wrote:
I'm glad I retired 20 years ago. Somebody else can deal with the idiots now.
this is taking pandemic dimensions all over the globe and is likely to accelerate in the future (especially in the west). Education is broken from the kinder garden to the university. We were laughing few years ago that the movie "Idiocracy" is not a fiction but is the now, however we did not expected to have the future so fast arriving to reality. It is hopeless!
Agreed. The depth of ignorance is shocking. People conflate formal schooling (the goal of which is to get a degree) with education (which has no end).
The idea of a liberal education originally meant something more like free-ranging, independent inquiry. Now *liberal* is taken to be a political stance, opposed to *conservative*; thus some people (won't name names) would like to purge liberals from education and to fill universities with dunces and butt-kissers whose only qualifications are loyalty to Big Brother and the official party line.
Ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery.
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
The idea of a liberal education originally meant something more like free-ranging, independent inquiry. Now *liberal* is taken to be a political stance, opposed to *conservative*; thus some people (won't name names) would like to purge liberals from education and to fill universities with dunces and butt-kissers whose only qualifications are loyalty to Big Brother and the official party line.
well, in Europe we have evidence that George Soros is involved in many of these processes with his Open Society Foundation, for whatever reason - they are destroying education and countries as whole, but it is getting very political and conspirative into some extent. But there is evidence - ask the Hungarians if you don't want to ask the Russians. The other countries are simply subordinate to his foundation. It is everywhere the same scheme - they infected the education system (the universities and the teachers) also the media and the politicians ... so mostly there is no chance to resist. Why they are doing it - I don't know. But in 10-15 years Europe will be finished. Even today there is not enough educated people to build something. I don't know how it is in the US ... but well, I can imagine.
Anno domini 2022 Tue, 22 Nov 11:47:09 +0100 deloptes scripsit:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
The idea of a liberal education originally meant something more like free-ranging, independent inquiry. Now *liberal* is taken to be a political stance, opposed to *conservative*; thus some people (won't name names) would like to purge liberals from education and to fill universities with dunces and butt-kissers whose only qualifications are loyalty to Big Brother and the official party line.
well, in Europe we have evidence that George Soros is involved in many of these processes with his Open Society Foundation, for whatever reason - they are destroying education and countries as whole, but it is getting very political and conspirative into some extent. But there is evidence - ask the Hungarians if you don't want to ask the Russians. The other countries are simply subordinate to his foundation. It is everywhere the same scheme - they infected the education system (the universities and the teachers) also the media and the politicians ... so mostly there is no chance to resist. Why they are doing it - I don't know. But in 10-15 years Europe will be finished. Even today there is not enough educated people to build something. I don't know how it is in the US ... but well, I can imagine.
+1
You know where the sinking of the Titanic differs from the sinking of EU economy? Titanic had the lights on.
Nik
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Why they are doing it - I don't know. But in 10-15 years Europe will be finished. Even today there is not enough educated people to build something.
I guess the strategy is that in a world where most are uneducated, the few who are are the masters.
Look at the way the church could rule the (western) world in the Middle Ages when even kings could barely read and write.
Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I guess the strategy is that in a world where most are uneducated, the few who are are the masters.
do not overestimate the ruling class. Education is not equal to Enlightment, but I understand what you mean ... there were few that played chess, could read and write and were at the right position of power.
Look at the way the church could rule the (western) world in the Middle Ages when even kings could barely read and write.
And what makes you think they are not doing it right now? Enlightent people make things more complicated and to have them under control costs a lot, but these are somehow necessary to build all those machinery. IMO we evidence the failure to comprehend this truth by the new (Wall-Street) elite. Manufacturing and knowledge shifted east - so does or will do enlightment.
On 11/22/22 05:52, deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
The idea of a liberal education originally meant something more like free-ranging, independent inquiry. Now *liberal* is taken to be a political stance, opposed to *conservative*; thus some people (won't name names) would like to purge liberals from education and to fill universities with dunces and butt-kissers whose only qualifications are loyalty to Big Brother and the official party line.
well, in Europe we have evidence that George Soros is involved in many of these processes with his Open Society Foundation, for whatever reason - they are destroying education and countries as whole, but it is getting very political and conspirative into some extent. But there is evidence - ask the Hungarians if you don't want to ask the Russians. The other countries are simply subordinate to his foundation. It is everywhere the same scheme - they infected the education system (the universities and the teachers) also the media and the politicians ... so mostly there is no chance to resist. Why they are doing it - I don't know. But in 10-15 years Europe will be finished. Even today there is not enough educated people to build something. I don't know how it is in the US ... but well, I can imagine.
IDK either deloptes. Soros, Gates and Fauci are the 3 most dangerous people on this ball of rock and water, that single pixel, a pale blue dot in a voyager image from 30 some years ago.
What I do know is that there are not enough of us JOAT's to keep civilization running another 100 years. I'm close to being in that category, and from what you've written over the last couple decades, you are also in that group. We are a library others can consult as long as we live. And I find it somewhat discouraging that there is not some youngster, following us around 24/7 trying to absorb and understand what I/we do on a daily basis.
I'm now 88, have a chest full of hardware and electronics, so my remaining time is obviously limited. So this library has a limited time left to be open.
Question? How many others on this list feel like they could walk into a test session to be a Certified Electronics Technician, and pass it?
Without "cracking" a book? I did that in 1972, and passed it, the only one who passed it after that professor had been teaching a class on the subject for the 5 years previous. I was the first to pass the final exam, and all I did was walk in the door with a $20 bill and that seasons flu to pay for his time to administer the test.
I was very discouraged 35 years ago, when I got stuck showing a 2 buss loads of students from a local high school around WDTV-5. Showing them around and telling them how tv actually worked for most of a morning, finished up by walking each of them past a studio camera so they could see how they looked on tv, and said as I was winding up, that someday I would retire, and I hoped that by then one of you would be nipping at my heels, wanting my job.
The most vocal of the group, when they all got thru laughing, asked who in hell would want such a job? I had just spent nearly 3 hours trying to glamorize it as a well paying endeavor, because I was well paid, making about 15k a year more at a market 162 tv station than the rest of that market group were paying. Only one piece of gear was ever sent out to be repaired, and that was because the maker didn't want to supply a service manual. All the rest of the stuff news could break, I restored to operation, 90% of the time by myself.
Now I'm just another fading book, still designing and making things, in steel with cnc machines I built, wood, or plastic on a 3d printer and rebuilding a couple of them to be lots faster.
I'm having fun, although its lonesome fun as my wife has passed already, and keeping busy keeps me out of the bars.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
Okay, I believe it's long past time we bring this off-topic odyssey to a close. It's fun sometimes, but we're going too far. We won't agree on those big questions, and obviously we won't solve the world's problems.
Let's try to solve our problems locally, where we live, starting with getting our machines to serve us, rather than the other way around.
My apologies for starting or furthering the madness, but it is like a snowball rolling downhill.
Besides, I have other problems, mostly having to do with my machine at the moment. Also, I can feel that Slavek is about to drop the hammer.
Bill
On Tuesday 22 November 2022 12:02:41 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Okay, I believe it's long past time we bring this off-topic odyssey to a close. It's fun sometimes, but we're going too far. We won't agree on those big questions, and obviously we won't solve the world's problems.
Let's try to solve our problems locally, where we live, starting with getting our machines to serve us, rather than the other way around.
My apologies for starting or furthering the madness, but it is like a snowball rolling downhill.
Besides, I have other problems, mostly having to do with my machine at the moment. Also, I can feel that Slavek is about to drop the hammer.
Naw, we're good. We used the [offtopic] tag and (AFAIK) nobody was impolite.
I like Idiocracy, but in hindsight it was too mild. Here’ a book I recently read that somewhat (obliquely) explains some of the Gates/Soros/Fauci crap.
Metabolical: The Lure and the Lies of Processed Food, Nutrition, and Modern Medicine by RH Lustig, https://robertlustig.com/metabolical/
Also see: The Real Anthony Fauci The Movie, https://therealanthonyfaucimovie.com/ (edit: Ah!, it based on the book: The Real Anthony Fauci by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.)
I haven’t watched it (probably never will), but I’ve heard it basically shows how Fauci and Hitler used the same propaganda mechanisms to create lock-step obedience in their respective populations. Again, I could have misinterpreted that, but the similarities are just too eerie.
Oh, and my personal opinion, ‘they’ don’t care if civilization stagnates. Like said earlier about the Middle Ages, ~1,000 years of stagnation, but the ‘elites’ keep their rule the whole time by keeping everyone uneducated.
My 2 cents, and I’m out.
Best All, Michael
On Tuesday 22 November 2022 13:15:39 Michael wrote:
Oh, and my personal opinion, ‘they’ don’t care if civilization stagnates. Like said earlier about the Middle Ages, ~1,000 years of stagnation, but the ‘elites’ keep their rule the whole time by keeping everyone uneducated.
Michael
Well, I will let you picture it this way, with a picture: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/jul/21/carlos-curbelo/clintons-re... https://web.archive.org/web/20220407204533/https://www.politifact.com/factch...
https://people.com/celebrity/hillary-clinton-and-bill-clinton-at-donald-trum... https://web.archive.org/web/20220615231401/https://people.com/celebrity/hill...
My point is that, for the most part, with some rare exceptions, it doesn't matter which side we choose. They may [say that they] destest one another, but the truth is, they have more in common among themselves than they do with almost any of ourselves. They shop at the same high-end places, invest their money in the same ways, mix and mingle with the same kinds of people.
And what is true here in the US at present, I do not doubt, is pretty similar to what we see developing elsewhere. Some places are much worse, a few are better.
A person looking to move somewhere with enlightened rulers would probably narrow down the choices to something like my own top three: Bhutan, Finland and Iceland. Otherwise, I hear that there are a few isolated spots in the world which are technically outside the laws of any government, but good luck with that.
They are the rulers, and we are the ruled. That is how it really works. Once we realize that we don't actually belong to their club, that none of us has a hope belonging, then at least we can make wise choices about what to do with the rest of our time.
my own two cents,
Bill
Michael wrote:
Oh, and my personal opinion, ‘they’ don’t care if civilization stagnates. Like said earlier about the Middle Ages, ~1,000 years of stagnation, but the ‘elites’ keep their rule the whole time by keeping everyone uneducated.
Well if you substract the down and up part of the wave you are left with about 500y which somehow corresponds to the fact that it was colder in Europe and elsewhere and there was not enough food. So it could be the elites had something in mind and used the circumstances to their advantage, but I tend to admit that the food factor can not be let out of the equation. In fact they turned the heresy called Christianity into their advantage by the genius of Constantin the Great so that they can consolidate the power in the Roman Empire and thus save the Empire. It is remarkable to see the layer of paganism under the layer of Christianity. I have full respect for this. Also full respect to the Medici who gave us Michelangelo, Leonardo and the Renaissance. The conclusion we can draw is that we need enlightened monarchs, who bring stability. I somehow do not see these in the west - it is pure irony, but sadly true. Perhaps we evidence the shift of the pendulum to the east unless we bring up some new Constantin the Great or preferably Medici.
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
The rule of smartphones has indirectly interfered with my travel plans, with my work, my finances, and I am trying to extricate myself from this trap. Since I cannot, at present, get rid of my smartphone completely, then the next best thing is to try to get control over it.
Technology is changing anyway and moving to LTE VoIP. Which means that the smart phone will become an internet device with SIP client anyway. In the US 3G is disabled and probably later 4G.
The land lines moved in the past years to SIP anyway.
I guess it is the costs that is driving the providers to move in this direction.
On Monday 21 November 2022 02:24:12 deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
The rule of smartphones has indirectly interfered with my travel plans, with my work, my finances, and I am trying to extricate myself from this trap. Since I cannot, at present, get rid of my smartphone completely, then the next best thing is to try to get control over it.
Technology is changing anyway and moving to LTE VoIP. Which means that the smart phone will become an internet device with SIP client anyway. In the US 3G is disabled and probably later 4G.
The land lines moved in the past years to SIP anyway.
I guess it is the costs that is driving the providers to move in this direction.
So Linphone (for example) is maybe where I ought to move in the future for my phone. I already have it installed on both smartphones and my laptop, but none of my contacts use it.
There is a way to use VOIP/SIP phones not just to call other users of Linphone, but like an actual phone, to call regular numbers. But one must get a monthly service, which is inexpensive, and of course internet is necessary for them to work. But if I can get internet wherever I am going, then this will work.
I am curious how this change will happen. As things stand now, VOIP/SIP only works with internet. What about the old folks who still have their landline, haven't figured out how to work a cell phone, and are afraid to go online?
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
So Linphone (for example) is maybe where I ought to move in the future for my phone. I already have it installed on both smartphones and my laptop, but none of my contacts use it.
Well, Linphone is a SIP client, where you can configure your SIP account and do phone calls.
There is a way to use VOIP/SIP phones not just to call other users of Linphone, but like an actual phone, to call regular numbers. But one must get a monthly service, which is inexpensive, and of course internet is necessary for them to work. But if I can get internet wherever I am going, then this will work.
Yes this is because you use an interconnect to Telcos networks.
I am curious how this change will happen. As things stand now, VOIP/SIP only works with internet. What about the old folks who still have their landline, haven't figured out how to work a cell phone, and are afraid to go online?
the change is transparent for the customer and it already happened. Most of the Telcos use their internet network to operate the SIP/VoIP part in transparent way. The landline (your phone) is connected to a modem and the modem does have the SIP account associated with your phone number, so when I call your phone number the switch (voice switch) will route the call to your SIP account and the modem will signal via the phone. So all the magic is under the service and the user can still use his/her phone.
I don't have the time to google now good articles, but it is explained already at numerous places.
There are still some ADSL/ISDN switches involved, but AFAIK the issue is they consume much more power and cost more (licenses and support)
BR
On Sunday 20 November 2022 20.28:56 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Sharp Zaurus looked like the dawn of a new periode
Waow! That brings back memory! I think I still have one of these somewhere. Now, would the battery still work?
Thierry
On 2022-11-19 16:00:54 deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
My new phone, by the way, does have a "desktop mode"; I haven't explored whatever that is, but I am guessing that where TDE will find a home on my phone.
Please post if you get some meaningful results. I moved from Nokia N9 (MeeGo project - pure linux with debian based packaging) to the spin of SailFish OS by Jolla (is continuation of the MeeGo but with RPM based packaging)
I am using it as my main phone with the android emulator (AlienDalvik) for some Android apps. The problem with TDE is that it was not developed for touchscreen , so without a key board and mouse, I don't think it will work. There are also tons of other details where many vendors failed on.
Does touchpad emulation (i.e. synaptics) not handle this?
One of my major use cases I manage to handle is the sync of PIM between phone and TDE via bluetooth.
The phone is Sony Xperia X and since last year Sony Xperia 10 II and works pretty well (especially the later with Android 10 based emulator)
However the base system is the android kernel. I did not have time to read about Pine Phone or Free Phone, but I am curios if there are any new developments.
BR
Leslie -- Platform: GNU/Linux Hardware: x86_64 Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.13 tde-config: 1.0
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