BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
I get this msg too. I use Android File Transfer and, sometimes, gmtp. Konq was better but suddenly stopped working. For now, the above should help.
Kate
I also think it was working before. Kate, what version of TDE are you using?
R14.0.8
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 28 Oct 17:30:24 -0400 BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
I get this msg too. I use Android File Transfer and, sometimes, gmtp. Konq was better but suddenly stopped working. For now, the above should help.
Kate
I also think it was working before. Kate, what version of TDE are you using?
R14.0.8
Could it be that it's not necessarily the TDE version that is causing problems but the smartphone? I've never managed to get MTP working on my testobject "Samsung Note II + LinageOS".
nik
On Wednesday 28 October 2020 14:37:40 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 28 Oct 17:30:24 -0400
BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
I get this msg too. I use Android File Transfer and, sometimes, gmtp. Konq was better but suddenly stopped working. For now, the above should help.
Kate
I also think it was working before. Kate, what version of TDE are you using?
R14.0.8
Could it be that it's not necessarily the TDE version that is causing problems but the smartphone? I've never managed to get MTP working on my testobject "Samsung Note II + LinageOS".
nik
A couple years ago, I had to use a smartphone for work; I only recall that it was a Samsung, I forget what model. Anyway, just connected it to the USB port of my desktop (running TDE), and it worked, just like an external hard drive, no mess, no fuss.
My newer smartphone (another Samsung, somewhere I have the model) doesn't work like that at all.
I just looked through developer options, and I notice that under USB configuration I have several options: charging, MTP, PTP, RNDIS (USB Ethernet), audio source and MIDI. I wonder if RNDIS could be used?
Also, do you have developer options enabled? and/or Did you root your phone?
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
A couple years ago, I had to use a smartphone for work; I only recall that it was a Samsung, I forget what model. Anyway, just connected it to the USB port of my desktop (running TDE), and it worked, just like an external hard drive, no mess, no fuss.
It was before people started communicating with selfies
My newer smartphone (another Samsung, somewhere I have the model) doesn't work like that at all.
I just looked through developer options, and I notice that under USB configuration I have several options: charging, MTP, PTP, RNDIS (USB Ethernet), audio source and MIDI. I wonder if RNDIS could be used?
What has RNDIS (ethernet=internet over USB) has to do with file transfers. I don't want a work around, I want MTP working both ways. IMO the problem is how the phone is recognized but I'm not sure if it is coming out of konqueror or from the new kernel I installed few days ago ... or may be the whole series of kernel I used in the past few months.
Also, do you have developer options enabled? and/or Did you root your phone?
I use Sailfish OS - after using debian based Nokia N9, I could not become a friend of Android and adopted the evolution of the meego called mer - but it is the same in the background (I mean they use the android kernel by Sony AOSP and put the Sailfish OS on top. There are also many community ports for various makes and models)
What is bothering me is this:
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:39 2020] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [Wed Oct 28 09:26:40 2020] usb 2-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 21 [Wed Oct 28 09:26:42 2020] usb 2-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 22 using ehci-pci
It recognizes as removable this but then it says disconnect 21 and new high-spped blah blah 22.
May be I ask in Debian User
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:10:41 +0100 deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Also, do you have developer options enabled? and/or Did you root your phone?
I use Sailfish OS - after using debian based Nokia N9, I could not become a friend of Android and adopted the evolution of the meego called mer - but it is the same in the background (I mean they use the android kernel by Sony AOSP and put the Sailfish OS on top. There are also many community ports for various makes and models)
What is bothering me is this:
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:39 2020] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [Wed Oct 28 09:26:40 2020] usb 2-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 21 [Wed Oct 28 09:26:42 2020] usb 2-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 22 using ehci-pci
It recognizes as removable this but then it says disconnect 21 and new high-spped blah blah 22.
May be I ask in Debian User
I assume you've already seen https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
Might be something useful here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Media_Transfer_Protocol
or here:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MTP
If those are no help, I would agree that it's better to ask through the Debian channels—this is a general non-TDE Linux question, so few of us are going to be at all knowledgeable.
E. Liddell
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E. Liddell wrote:
I assume you've already seen https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
Might be something useful here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Media_Transfer_Protocol
or here:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MTP
If those are no help, I would agree that it's better to ask through the Debian channels—this is a general non-TDE Linux question, so few of us are going to be at all knowledgeable.
Well, I am not 100% sure it is not TDE. It could be the "camera protocol" used by TDE is the problem, because I can see and browse through the content in konqueror, but can not create directory or copy a file in already existing directories. But as far as I understand with MTP one could create directory on the device or save a file. It might be a project for someone or for me to create TDE MTP protocol for konqueror.
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:14:33 +0100 deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
E. Liddell wrote:
I assume you've already seen https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
Might be something useful here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Media_Transfer_Protocol
or here:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MTP
If those are no help, I would agree that it's better to ask through the Debian channels—this is a general non-TDE Linux question, so few of us are going to be at all knowledgeable.
Well, I am not 100% sure it is not TDE. It could be the "camera protocol" used by TDE is the problem, because I can see and browse through the content in konqueror, but can not create directory or copy a file in already existing directories. But as far as I understand with MTP one could create directory on the device or save a file. It might be a project for someone or for me to create TDE MTP protocol for konqueror.
One really obvious, really stupid thing that didn't pop into my head last night: have you checked user permissions and ownership on the mount point and below? (Not that I know whether MTP does user permissions or not.)
E. Liddell
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On Thursday 29 October 2020 04:21:29 E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:14:33 +0100
deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
E. Liddell wrote:
I assume you've already seen https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
Might be something useful here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Media_Transfer_Protocol
or here:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MTP
If those are no help, I would agree that it's better to ask through the Debian channels—this is a general non-TDE Linux question, so few of us are going to be at all knowledgeable.
Well, I am not 100% sure it is not TDE. It could be the "camera protocol" used by TDE is the problem, because I can see and browse through the content in konqueror, but can not create directory or copy a file in already existing directories. But as far as I understand with MTP one could create directory on the device or save a file. It might be a project for someone or for me to create TDE MTP protocol for konqueror.
One really obvious, really stupid thing that didn't pop into my head last night: have you checked user permissions and ownership on the mount point and below? (Not that I know whether MTP does user permissions or not.)
E. Liddell
So far as I am concerned, if the user is trying to connect the smartphone to a TDE desktop, then (strictly speaking) it is not off-topic, but rather a problem that concerns TDE users in general; not necessarily that TDE users can actually use said smartphone.
;-)
I did mention this much earlier (months ago, maybe even a year ago?) when smartphones again were being discussed. But here goes ...
When I was using the MATE desktop, I noticed that the MATE file manager, Caja, *does* recognize the file system on my current smartphone, when attached by a USB. (I was installing TDE packages, and had not yet got back home into TDE.)
I could browse the directories, look at files, etc.; yet I could not write or make changes to anything on the phone, nor delete items. For that, I got myself a card reader, and generally keep everything important on an SD card. (I searched for the thread, but cannot find it; I remember giving some more details about the connection, but it's buried somewhere in my emails.)
I *believe* that I recall the connections were listed as mtp://whatever
Whether I could somehow use Caja (or preferably Konqueror) to read and write to the phone is another question. I did try changing permissions, but for that, I believe I would need to root my phone, and I haven't wanted to take that step yet, until I am sure that I have a backup plan. (I have a failed hard drive full of inaccessible data to remind me of such folly, and a bricked smartphone would be worse in some ways.)
I am not suggesting using MATE or Konqueror, only testifying that it is possible to get my desktop to recognize the phone like a connected hard drive, to browse directories and files, etc. So as I said, the problem, it seems to me, has something to do with changing permissions, or rooting the phone.
Bill
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 29 Oct 04:48:15 -0700 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Thursday 29 October 2020 04:21:29 E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:14:33 +0100
deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
E. Liddell wrote:
I assume you've already seen https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
Might be something useful here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Media_Transfer_Protocol
or here:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MTP
If those are no help, I would agree that it's better to ask through the Debian channels—this is a general non-TDE Linux question, so few of us are going to be at all knowledgeable.
Well, I am not 100% sure it is not TDE. It could be the "camera protocol" used by TDE is the problem, because I can see and browse through the content in konqueror, but can not create directory or copy a file in already existing directories. But as far as I understand with MTP one could create directory on the device or save a file. It might be a project for someone or for me to create TDE MTP protocol for konqueror.
One really obvious, really stupid thing that didn't pop into my head last night: have you checked user permissions and ownership on the mount point and below? (Not that I know whether MTP does user permissions or not.)
E. Liddell
So far as I am concerned, if the user is trying to connect the smartphone to a TDE desktop, then (strictly speaking) it is not off-topic, but rather a problem that concerns TDE users in general; not necessarily that TDE users can actually use said smartphone.
;-)
I did mention this much earlier (months ago, maybe even a year ago?) when smartphones again were being discussed. But here goes ...
When I was using the MATE desktop, I noticed that the MATE file manager, Caja, *does* recognize the file system on my current smartphone, when attached by a USB. (I was installing TDE packages, and had not yet got back home into TDE.)
I could browse the directories, look at files, etc.; yet I could not write or make changes to anything on the phone, nor delete items. For that, I got myself a card reader, and generally keep everything important on an SD card. (I searched for the thread, but cannot find it; I remember giving some more details about the connection, but it's buried somewhere in my emails.)
I *believe* that I recall the connections were listed as mtp://whatever
Whether I could somehow use Caja (or preferably Konqueror) to read and write to the phone is another question. I did try changing permissions, but for that, I believe I would need to root my phone, and I haven't wanted to take that step yet, until I am sure that I have a backup plan. (I have a failed hard drive full of inaccessible data to remind me of such folly, and a bricked smartphone would be worse in some ways.)
I am not suggesting using MATE or Konqueror, only testifying that it is possible to get my desktop to recognize the phone like a connected hard drive, to browse directories and files, etc. So as I said, the problem, it seems to me, has something to do with changing permissions, or rooting the phone.
Just for checking: Does MTP allow delete/create on the same machine with the same phone but a different tool?
Bill
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Just for checking: Does MTP allow delete/create on the same machine with the same phone but a different tool?
I downloaded go-mtpfs from the repository, attached a Samsung J3 by usb and mounted it. I had to go sudo even to see the directories; I did a 'sudo mv' on a file and it worked.
I just opened Konqueror and strangely it doesn't even show the mountpoint. I don't understand that. I guess it's not really treated like a normal mountpoint.
I may have missed the sense of the thread; must access happen via Konqueror?
I would also make sure of the quality of the usb cable.
fjd
On Thursday 29 of October 2020 19:10:56 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Just for checking: Does MTP allow delete/create on the same machine with the same phone but a different tool?
I downloaded go-mtpfs from the repository, attached a Samsung J3 by usb and mounted it. I had to go sudo even to see the directories; I did a 'sudo mv' on a file and it worked.
I just opened Konqueror and strangely it doesn't even show the mountpoint. I don't understand that. I guess it's not really treated like a normal mountpoint.
I may have missed the sense of the thread; must access happen via Konqueror?
I would also make sure of the quality of the usb cable.
fjd
Hi Felmon,
why are you doing this through sudo? By default, fuse filesystems are only available to the person who mounted them. So when you use sudo, the fuse files system is mounted by root => is unavailable to the user.
Cheers
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 29 of October 2020 19:10:56 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Just for checking: Does MTP allow delete/create on the same machine with the same phone but a different tool?
I downloaded go-mtpfs from the repository, attached a Samsung J3 by usb and mounted it. I had to go sudo even to see the directories; I did a 'sudo mv' on a file and it worked.
I just opened Konqueror and strangely it doesn't even show the mountpoint. I don't understand that. I guess it's not really treated like a normal mountpoint.
I may have missed the sense of the thread; must access happen via Konqueror?
I would also make sure of the quality of the usb cable.
fjd
Hi Felmon,
why are you doing this through sudo? By default, fuse filesystems are only available to the person who mounted them. So when you use sudo, the fuse files system is mounted by root => is unavailable to the user.
Cheers
you're right of course. must have been automatic from doing 'sudo mount ....'.
now it also shows up in Konqueror and I can move files though maybe in only one direction. seems I can move off the phone but not onto it, whether to the ssd card or to the phone's storage.
"cp: cannot create regular file 'mnt/Card/check-in.pdf': Function not implemented"
Konqueror just says "could not write...."
probably some limitation of 'go-mtpfs', perhaps.
fjd
On Thursday 29 October 2020 03:27:04 pm Felmon Davis wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 29 of October 2020 19:10:56 Felmon Davis wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Just for checking: Does MTP allow delete/create on the same machine with the same phone but a different tool?
I downloaded go-mtpfs from the repository, attached a Samsung J3 by usb and mounted it. I had to go sudo even to see the directories; I did a 'sudo mv' on a file and it worked.
I just opened Konqueror and strangely it doesn't even show the mountpoint. I don't understand that. I guess it's not really treated like a normal mountpoint.
I may have missed the sense of the thread; must access happen via Konqueror?
I would also make sure of the quality of the usb cable.
fjd
Hi Felmon,
why are you doing this through sudo? By default, fuse filesystems are only available to the person who mounted them. So when you use sudo, the fuse files system is mounted by root => is unavailable to the user.
Cheers
you're right of course. must have been automatic from doing 'sudo mount ....'.
now it also shows up in Konqueror and I can move files though maybe in only one direction. seems I can move off the phone but not onto it, whether to the ssd card or to the phone's storage.
"cp: cannot create regular file 'mnt/Card/check-in.pdf': Function not implemented"
Konqueror just says "could not write...."
Ah, that 'error' is from the Android OS, not the PC. LG will give you similar types of errors for functions they removed from their software builds.
Going off topic, if you're wanting to use LineageOS on your phone, LG makes it extremely difficult to use LineageOS on their phones because of removed functionality.
Best, Michael
On Thursday 29 of October 2020 09:14:33 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
E. Liddell wrote:
I assume you've already seen https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
Might be something useful here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Media_Transfer_Protocol
or here:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MTP
If those are no help, I would agree that it's better to ask through the Debian channels—this is a general non-TDE Linux question, so few of us are going to be at all knowledgeable.
Well, I am not 100% sure it is not TDE. It could be the "camera protocol" used by TDE is the problem, because I can see and browse through the content in konqueror, but can not create directory or copy a file in already existing directories. But as far as I understand with MTP one could create directory on the device or save a file. It might be a project for someone or for me to create TDE MTP protocol for konqueror.
As I mentioned in earlier thread - it would probably be good to port kio-mtp to tdeio-mtp:
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto...
Cheers
Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
As I mentioned in earlier thread - it would probably be good to port kio-mtp to tdeio-mtp:
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto...
Cheers
Ah, thank you Slavek. I guess this was it, what was in the back of my head. It sounds like a new project for Christmas ... or before Christmas.
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