Since Calvin answered two of your questions, I'll answer the remaining.
It is possible to not enter the password in Kmail, most email clients offer to store the password.
In the Kmail settings, go to Accounts and click Add. You'll have the option of POP, IMAP, or Disconnected IMAP. After entering the details at http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=78799 (for IMAP/Disconnected IMAP) or at http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287 (for POP) (make sure to enable either POP or IMAP in your Gmail settings in your browser!), tick off Store Password, Show Only Serverside Subscribed Folders, Include In Manual Check (optional), and Enable Interval Checking (optional). On the Security tab, select "Use SSL" and "Clear Text".
When you apply the settings, it will either bring up KWallet or ask you to confirm storing the password unsafely (depending on whether or not KWallet is installed). If it brings up KWallet, and you /don't / want to use it, just click Next, then Finish (don't set a KWallet password if you're not going to use it).
For sending, enter the smtp details on either of those links. For security, select TLS (/not/ SSL) and Plain.
For IMAP, POP, and SMTP, you need to use the full email address as the login.
Hi, Kris.
Thank you for the reply.
On Sunday 12 February 2012 19:06:38 Kristopher John Gamrat wrote:
It is possible to not enter the password in Kmail, most email clients offer to store the password.
That is the problem. I can't find a way. But it used to be possible.
I don't like KWallet. It is just there by default. Can I safely uninstall it? And would I then be able to get KMail to store the passwords itself, as it used to do?
Thanks, Lisi
On Sunday 12 February 2012 03:01:21 pm Lisi wrote:
Hi, Kris.
Thank you for the reply.
On Sunday 12 February 2012 19:06:38 Kristopher John Gamrat wrote:
It is possible to not enter the password in Kmail, most email clients offer to store the password.
That is the problem. I can't find a way. But it used to be possible.
Using my instructions (typing it in when setting up the accounts and checking off the store password option) should work. I've also noticed that when I forget to add the password at setup, it will come up with a popup asking for the password, and there will be a checkbox for storing it.
I don't like KWallet. It is just there by default. Can I safely uninstall it? And would I then be able to get KMail to store the passwords itself, as it used to do?
Since Kmail can store your passwords directly, it should not matter whether KWallet is present or not.
I never tried removing KWallet before now, but Kmail seems to work fine without it. After removing kwalletmanager-trinity and restarting Kontact (which uses Kmail directly for email), it did not ask me for a password, neither for sending nor receiving (I don't like KWallet either, so I don't use it, though I do have it store my passwords). It might ask you to remove several meta-packages, though I'm not sure which ones specifically as I manually selected which packages to install (I think I added KWallet by accident since it was in the suggested packages). Just make sure to check what your package manager wants to remove first; meta-packages are generally safe to remove since they are there simply to make it easier to install the real packages in bulk.
If your package manager indicates that it can't be removed safely, then when KWallet comes up, don't check the box on the second screen of the KWallet wizard that comes up (on my system, when it came up, I clicked Next, then clicked Finish without touching anything else in the wizard). Kmail will then ask you if you wish to store the password unsafely. Once you confirm that you do, it should not ask for the password again, unless you change the passwords on your configured email accounts (e.g. visiting google.com, signing in with your Gmail account, and changing the password in your Account Settings).
On Sunday 12 February 2012 20:22:58 Kristopher John Gamrat wrote:
On Sunday 12 February 2012 03:01:21 pm Lisi wrote:
Hi, Kris.
Thank you for the reply.
On Sunday 12 February 2012 19:06:38 Kristopher John Gamrat wrote:
It is possible to not enter the password in Kmail, most email clients offer to store the password.
That is the problem. I can't find a way. But it used to be possible.
Using my instructions (typing it in when setting up the accounts and checking off the store password option) should work. I've also noticed that when I forget to add the password at setup, it will come up with a popup asking for the password, and there will be a checkbox for storing it.
Thanks, Kris. That uis obviously one of teh things taht TDE has improved. In KMail in KDE 3.5.10 it won't store the password anywhere but in KWallet. If I can tell KMail not to use KWallet, I don't care whether KWallet is there or not.
I don't like KWallet. It is just there by default. Can I safely uninstall it? And would I then be able to get KMail to store the passwords itself, as it used to do?
Since Kmail can store your passwords directly, it should not matter whether KWallet is present or not.
[snip] - [lots of helpful info]
Thank you very much for such a detailed and helpful reply.
Lisi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristopher John Gamrat" chaotickjg@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:22:58 PM Subject: Re: [trinity-users] LXDE, TDE and KMail - can I achieve what I would like to do?
On Sunday 12 February 2012 03:01:21 pm Lisi wrote:
Hi, Kris.
Thank you for the reply.
On Sunday 12 February 2012 19:06:38 Kristopher John Gamrat wrote:
It is possible to not enter the password in Kmail, most email clients offer to store the password.
That is the problem. I can't find a way. But it used to be possible.
Using my instructions (typing it in when setting up the accounts and checking off the store password option) should work. I've also noticed that when I forget to add the password at setup, it will come up with a popup asking for the password, and there will be a checkbox for storing it.
I don't like KWallet. It is just there by default. Can I safely uninstall it? And would I then be able to get KMail to store the passwords itself, as it used to do?
Since Kmail can store your passwords directly, it should not matter whether KWallet is present or not.
I never tried removing KWallet before now, but Kmail seems to work fine without it. After removing kwalletmanager-trinity and restarting Kontact (which uses Kmail directly for email), it did not ask me for a password, neither for sending nor receiving (I don't like KWallet either, so I don't use it, though I do have it store my passwords). It might ask you to remove several meta-packages, though I'm not sure which ones specifically as I manually selected which packages to install (I think I added KWallet by accident since it was in the suggested packages). Just make sure to check what your package manager wants to remove first; meta-packages are generally safe to remove since they are there simply to make it easier to install the real packages in bulk.
If your package manager indicates that it can't be removed safely, then when KWallet comes up, don't check the box on the second screen of the KWallet wizard that comes up (on my system, when it came up, I clicked Next, then clicked Finish without touching anything else in the wizard). Kmail will then ask you if you wish to store the password unsafely. Once you confirm that you do, it should not ask for the password again, unless you change the passwords on your configured email accounts (e.g. visiting google.com, signing in with your Gmail account, and changing the password in your Account Settings). <snip> Sorry - just seeing this thread now. I've never been a great fan of KWallet either and it creates a nightmare when you change your mail password and it suddenly tried to login with the old password to every kmail account, kalendar, kaddressbook, etc. account and locks out for too many failed attempts! However, is there a difference in the way in which KWallet and KMail store the passwords? I was under the impression the KMail storage of simply a hash in an rc file was significantly less secure than KWallet - John
On Monday 13 February 2012 12:53:59 pm John A. Sullivan III wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristopher John Gamrat" chaotickjg@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:22:58 PM Subject: Re: [trinity-users] LXDE, TDE and KMail - can I achieve what I would like to do?
On Sunday 12 February 2012 03:01:21 pm Lisi wrote:
Hi, Kris.
Thank you for the reply.
On Sunday 12 February 2012 19:06:38 Kristopher John Gamrat wrote:
It is possible to not enter the password in Kmail, most email clients offer to store the password.
That is the problem. I can't find a way. But it used to be possible.
Using my instructions (typing it in when setting up the accounts and checking off the store password option) should work. I've also noticed that when I forget to add the password at setup, it will come up with a popup asking for the password, and there will be a checkbox for storing it.
I don't like KWallet. It is just there by default. Can I safely uninstall it? And would I then be able to get KMail to store the passwords itself, as it used to do?
Since Kmail can store your passwords directly, it should not matter whether KWallet is present or not.
I never tried removing KWallet before now, but Kmail seems to work fine without it. After removing kwalletmanager-trinity and restarting Kontact (which uses Kmail directly for email), it did not ask me for a password, neither for sending nor receiving (I don't like KWallet either, so I don't use it, though I do have it store my passwords). It might ask you to remove several meta-packages, though I'm not sure which ones specifically as I manually selected which packages to install (I think I added KWallet by accident since it was in the suggested packages). Just make sure to check what your package manager wants to remove first; meta-packages are generally safe to remove since they are there simply to make it easier to install the real packages in bulk.
If your package manager indicates that it can't be removed safely, then when KWallet comes up, don't check the box on the second screen of the KWallet wizard that comes up (on my system, when it came up, I clicked Next, then clicked Finish without touching anything else in the wizard). Kmail will then ask you if you wish to store the password unsafely. Once you confirm that you do, it should not ask for the password again, unless you change the passwords on your configured email accounts (e.g. visiting google.com, signing in with your Gmail account, and changing the password in your Account Settings).
<snip> Sorry - just seeing this thread now. I've never been a great fan of KWallet either and it creates a nightmare when you change your mail password and it suddenly tried to login with the old password to every kmail account, kalendar, kaddressbook, etc. account and locks out for too many failed attempts! However, is there a difference in the way in which KWallet and KMail store the passwords? I was under the impression the KMail storage of simply a hash in an rc file was significantly less secure than KWallet - John
Unless you know the algorithm used to produce the hash (MD5 or otherwise), chances are you won't be able to de-hash it. I'm not exactly sure how KWallet stores passwords, though I can only guess it uses a better encryption scheme than just a hash.
On Monday 13 February 2012 8:53:59 am John A. Sullivan III wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristopher John Gamrat" chaotickjg@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 3:22:58 PM Subject: Re: [trinity-users] LXDE, TDE and KMail - can I achieve what I would like to do?
On Sunday 12 February 2012 03:01:21 pm Lisi wrote:
Hi, Kris.
Thank you for the reply.
On Sunday 12 February 2012 19:06:38 Kristopher John Gamrat wrote:
It is possible to not enter the password in Kmail, most email clients offer to store the password.
That is the problem. I can't find a way. But it used to be possible.
Using my instructions (typing it in when setting up the accounts and checking off the store password option) should work. I've also noticed that when I forget to add the password at setup, it will come up with a popup asking for the password, and there will be a checkbox for storing it.
I don't like KWallet. It is just there by default. Can I safely uninstall it? And would I then be able to get KMail to store the passwords itself, as it used to do?
Since Kmail can store your passwords directly, it should not matter whether KWallet is present or not.
I never tried removing KWallet before now, but Kmail seems to work fine without it. After removing kwalletmanager-trinity and restarting Kontact (which uses Kmail directly for email), it did not ask me for a password, neither for sending nor receiving (I don't like KWallet either, so I don't use it, though I do have it store my passwords). It might ask you to remove several meta-packages, though I'm not sure which ones specifically as I manually selected which packages to install (I think I added KWallet by accident since it was in the suggested packages). Just make sure to check what your package manager wants to remove first; meta-packages are generally safe to remove since they are there simply to make it easier to install the real packages in bulk.
snip
kwalletmanager only manages the 'wallet', it is not the wallet system. Deleting kwalletmanager-trinity won''t delete the wallet subsystem.
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