Hello everyone, I tried the Fedora LiveCD and I am very impressed with it.
I would like to install TDE on my PCLinuxOS 2012 system to make a remaster that use TDE. With proper mods, it can look almost as good as KDE4 while being so much faster and using less memory. By using oxygen icon theme and similar color theme, with the new Ubuntu font, as in PCLinuxOS 2012 KDE edition, it looks awesome!
It would be very appreciated to have packages for PCLinuxOS. Thank you for making KDE3 living again!
-Alex
Le 11/11/2012 16:38, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Hello everyone, I tried the Fedora LiveCD and I am very impressed with it.
I would like to install TDE on my PCLinuxOS 2012 system to make a remaster that use TDE. With proper mods, it can look almost as good as KDE4 while being so much faster and using less memory. By using oxygen icon theme and similar color theme, with the new Ubuntu font, as in PCLinuxOS 2012 KDE edition, it looks awesome!
It would be very appreciated to have packages for PCLinuxOS. Thank you for making KDE3 living again!
-Alex
Hello, It looks like PCLinuxOS is an RPM-based distribution, even though it is using APT as package manager. I will look into it, but it should not be too hard to rebuild the existing RPM for another distribution.;
Francois
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:49:56 +0100 From: francois.andriot@free.fr To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
Le 11/11/2012 16:38, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Hello everyone,
I tried the Fedora LiveCD and I am very impressed with it.
I would like to install TDE on my PCLinuxOS 2012 system to make a remaster that use TDE.
With proper mods, it can look almost as good as KDE4 while being so much faster and using less memory. By using oxygen icon theme and similar color theme, with the new Ubuntu font, as in PCLinuxOS 2012 KDE edition, it looks awesome!
It would be very appreciated to have packages for PCLinuxOS.
Thank you for making KDE3 living again!
-Alex
Hello,
It looks like PCLinuxOS is an RPM-based distribution, even though it is using APT as package manager.
I will look into it, but it should not be too hard to rebuild the existing RPM for another distribution.;
Francois
Thank you very much! I think that the Mandriva or the Mageia packages would fit almost just as it should but they use urpmi where PCLinuxOS use apt and Synaptic. PCLinuxOS was some years ago a fork of Mandriva, just as Mageia so they are in the same family! If there is a way to configure Synaptic to use right away the repos for Mandriva or Mageia, it would be great too. If the urpmi repo can't be used by PCLOS, it would probably mean that the existing RPM would have to be placed in a PCLOS-compatible repo.
I use sometimes a CAD program for linux that is named DraftSight. It is available for free and is made in Qt3. It is provided in one big RPM that I can install easily. Would it be possible to put all TDE in a big RPM file?
Thank you for your time!
I just reinstalled my X61s yesterday and ran into a nasty bug: the system hangs on shutdown, the last line on the screen has varying content ("Will halt now ..", "No more processes ..." etc) - just like this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672358
It looks like the bug is triggered by /opt/trinity/bin/tsak and the e1000e module. When I disable tsak and remove e1000e before shutdown the system shuts down as expected, otherwise the system hangs.
So, is there a way to shutdown /opt/trinity/bin/tsak togather with trinidy, so that I can still have sak but the bug is not triggered?
nik
greetings!
I have installed David Hare's exe package on a new-ish Acer Aspire 725-0802 with AMD dual-core processor. I had some hiccups but things seem settled for the most part though I'm not through quite yet!
anyway, I got hibernate/resume to work, almost. it resumes nicely except for the usb drives.
what definitely doesn't reload is xhci. there apparently is a usb 3.0 port here and I can't figure out how to get it to wake up automagically after hibernate. dmesg says something about 'timeout while waiting for a slot' with respect to xhci_hcd.
I have wrestled things to a certain point where if I resume and run the following, I get a port:
sudo /sbin/modprobe -r xhci sudo /sbin/modprobe xhci
so either I would like to do without this expedient or I would like to get resume to run it for me.
to get suspend working, I set up the disk to resume in initramifs and in fstab. I don't have any other suspend tools installed to my knowledge.
I am also uneasy with this setup because it doesn't seem like safe practices; I think the kernel is complaining about missing pages. not sure of this yet.
F.
On 11/11/12 23:41, Felmon Davis wrote:
greetings!
I have installed David Hare's exe package on a new-ish Acer Aspire 725-0802 with AMD dual-core processor. I had some hiccups but things seem settled for the most part though I'm not through quite yet!
anyway, I got hibernate/resume to work, almost. it resumes nicely except for the usb drives.
what definitely doesn't reload is xhci. there apparently is a usb 3.0 port here and I can't figure out how to get it to wake up automagically after hibernate. dmesg says something about 'timeout while waiting for a slot' with respect to xhci_hcd.
I have wrestled things to a certain point where if I resume and run the following, I get a port:
sudo /sbin/modprobe -r xhci sudo /sbin/modprobe xhci
so either I would like to do without this expedient or I would like to get resume to run it for me.
to get suspend working, I set up the disk to resume in initramifs and in fstab. I don't have any other suspend tools installed to my knowledge.
I am also uneasy with this setup because it doesn't seem like safe practices; I think the kernel is complaining about missing pages. not sure of this yet.
F.
Exegnu is straight Debian Squeeze, built from a clean debootstrap, with a stock Debian kernel, with (not the entire metapackage) TDE installed. No core stuff is altered from Squeeze. Whatever your DE, that is unlikely to cause hibernate/resume issues.
A quick look through the search engines shows others with similar problems, e.g. :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01689.html
Most likely this is neither a bug from Exe nor TDE I have nothing that new here to test that (and never actually used hibernate/resume) Squeeze is ~2 years old now, wheezy is coming soon
Have you tried the latest kernel from squeeze-backports? firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
David
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012, David Hare wrote:
On 11/11/12 23:41, Felmon Davis wrote:
greetings!
I have installed David Hare's exe package on a new-ish Acer Aspire 725-0802 with AMD dual-core processor. I had some hiccups but things seem settled for the most part though I'm not through quite yet!
anyway, I got hibernate/resume to work, almost. it resumes nicely except for the usb drives.
what definitely doesn't reload is xhci. there apparently is a usb 3.0 port here and I can't figure out how to get it to wake up automagically after hibernate. dmesg says something about 'timeout while waiting for a slot' with respect to xhci_hcd.
I have wrestled things to a certain point where if I resume and run the following, I get a port:
sudo /sbin/modprobe -r xhci sudo /sbin/modprobe xhci
so either I would like to do without this expedient or I would like to get resume to run it for me.
to get suspend working, I set up the disk to resume in initramifs and in fstab. I don't have any other suspend tools installed to my knowledge.
I am also uneasy with this setup because it doesn't seem like safe practices; I think the kernel is complaining about missing pages. not sure of this yet.
F.
Exegnu is straight Debian Squeeze, built from a clean debootstrap, with a stock Debian kernel, with (not the entire metapackage) TDE installed. No core stuff is altered from Squeeze. Whatever your DE, that is unlikely to cause hibernate/resume issues.
A quick look through the search engines shows others with similar problems, e.g. :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01689.html
Most likely this is neither a bug from Exe nor TDE I have nothing that new here to test that (and never actually used hibernate/resume) Squeeze is ~2 years old now, wheezy is coming soon
Have you tried the latest kernel from squeeze-backports? firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
David
sorry, right. wrong place to seek for the problem.
to answer your questions: I don't have backports or non-free installed. will look into it. wanted to avoid doing a kernel but that is looking more and more like the way to go.
I have it working now, even running my modprobe script on resume but that's a kludge plus there are disturbing messages coming out of dmesg.
thanks for the reply.
F.
On Sunday 11 November 2012 02:49:56 pm Francois Andriot wrote:
Le 11/11/2012 16:38, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Hello everyone, I tried the Fedora LiveCD and I am very impressed with it.
I would like to install TDE on my PCLinuxOS 2012 system to make a remaster that use TDE. With proper mods, it can look almost as good as KDE4 while being so much faster and using less memory. By using oxygen icon theme and similar color theme, with the new Ubuntu font, as in PCLinuxOS 2012 KDE edition, it looks awesome!
It would be very appreciated to have packages for PCLinuxOS. Thank you for making KDE3 living again!
-Alex
Hello, It looks like PCLinuxOS is an RPM-based distribution, even though it is using APT as package manager. I will look into it, but it should not be too hard to rebuild the existing RPM for another distribution.;
Francois
That would be wonderful!
Andy
Le 11/11/2012 23:22, Andy a écrit :
On Sunday 11 November 2012 02:49:56 pm Francois Andriot wrote:
Le 11/11/2012 16:38, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Hello everyone, I tried the Fedora LiveCD and I am very impressed with it.
I would like to install TDE on my PCLinuxOS 2012 system to make a remaster that use TDE. With proper mods, it can look almost as good as KDE4 while being so much faster and using less memory. By using oxygen icon theme and similar color theme, with the new Ubuntu font, as in PCLinuxOS 2012 KDE edition, it looks awesome!
It would be very appreciated to have packages for PCLinuxOS. Thank you for making KDE3 living again!
-Alex
Hello, It looks like PCLinuxOS is an RPM-based distribution, even though it is using APT as package manager. I will look into it, but it should not be too hard to rebuild the existing RPM for another distribution.;
Francois
That would be wonderful!
Andy
Okay I've built a minimal quickbuild for PCLinuxOS 2012. Use the following instructions to install TDE 3.5.13.1 (as root user):
echo "rpm http://trinity.mangafrance.com/pclos2012/ trinity-3.5.13/RPMS i586 noarch" >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list
apt-get update
apt-get install trinity-tdebase
chksession -k -g
If KDE4 is installed, the following script messes up with TDE. You have to move it until I found a solution: mv /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh.OLD
Then restart X server.
Login and choose "TDE" session, which should be in the list. TDE should be available in bot KDM and GDM.
Have fun with TDE :-)
Francois
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:45:13 +0100 From: francois.andriot@free.fr To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
Le 11/11/2012 23:22, Andy a écrit :
On Sunday 11 November 2012 02:49:56 pm Francois Andriot wrote:
Le 11/11/2012 16:38, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Hello everyone, I tried the Fedora LiveCD and I am very impressed with it.
I would like to install TDE on my PCLinuxOS 2012 system to make a remaster that use TDE. With proper mods, it can look almost as good as KDE4 while being so much faster and using less memory. By using oxygen icon theme and similar color theme, with the new Ubuntu font, as in PCLinuxOS 2012 KDE edition, it looks awesome!
It would be very appreciated to have packages for PCLinuxOS. Thank you for making KDE3 living again!
-Alex
Hello, It looks like PCLinuxOS is an RPM-based distribution, even though it is using APT as package manager. I will look into it, but it should not be too hard to rebuild the existing RPM for another distribution.;
Francois
That would be wonderful!
Andy
Okay I've built a minimal quickbuild for PCLinuxOS 2012. Use the following instructions to install TDE 3.5.13.1 (as root user):
echo "rpm http://trinity.mangafrance.com/pclos2012/ trinity-3.5.13/RPMS i586 noarch" >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list
apt-get update
apt-get install trinity-tdebase
chksession -k -g
If KDE4 is installed, the following script messes up with TDE. You have to move it until I found a solution: mv /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh.OLD
Then restart X server.
Login and choose "TDE" session, which should be in the list. TDE should be available in bot KDM and GDM.
Have fun with TDE :-)
Francois
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Thank you very much Francois! I will try it this week. Just a question: Is it the complete environment (with the programs) or just a base package? I am currently removing KDE4 from a PCLOS KDE edition 2012. I will install icewm to have a window manager before removing kde. I will probably have to install another session manager since I will remove every kde4 packages.
Le 12/11/2012 00:40, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Thank you very much Francois! I will try it this week. Just a question: Is it the complete environment (with the programs) or just a base package? I am currently removing KDE4 from a PCLOS KDE edition 2012. I will install icewm to have a window manager before removing kde. I will probably have to install another session manager since I will remove every kde4 packages.
Hello,
This is a build up to "kdebase" components. You have a fully working desktop, including kdesktop, kwin, kicker, konqueror, kdm, kate, etc ... You need nothing from Gnome or KDE4 or any other environment. But you have no extra application at all.
Francois
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:15:18 +0100 From: francois.andriot@free.fr To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
Le 12/11/2012 00:40, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Thank you very much Francois!
I will try it this week. Just a question: Is it the complete environment (with the programs) or just a base package? I am currently removing KDE4 from a PCLOS KDE edition 2012. I will install icewm to have a window manager before removing kde. I will probably have to install another session manager since I will remove every kde4 packages.
Hello,
This is a build up to "kdebase" components.
You have a fully working desktop, including kdesktop, kwin, kicker, konqueror, kdm, kate, etc ... You need nothing from Gnome or KDE4 or any other environment.
But you have no extra application at all.
Francois
Thank you Francois! It works very well. It is amazingly fast on PCLinuxOS and it is stable. Here a 2 ''problems'' that are not that much important that I have found: -It installs base packages of KDE4 as dependencies of TDE. It is not a big problem since I won't use KDE4 but it takes more disk space. -On the login screen, it says Welcome to and after that there are system variables instead of just TDE or PCLinuxOS. I plan to use autologin so it will not even be seen.
I will need other packages such as KCalc, Ark, K3B, amarok, Dolphin and deKorator. If someone can take all these packages and their dependencies from the Mandriva 2011 repo to copy them in the repo made by Francois for PCLinuxOS, it would be very appreciated. Since PCLOS, Mandriva and Mageia are in the same family, it think that these packages would be a direct fit without having to rebuild them.
I hope I can have my PCLinuxOS remaster before christmas to share it here. Upstream PCLinuxOS will probably not support it because main devs on their forum says the TDE will never be part of official PCLOS, but Linux is all about choice! We can have the choice to use a fast but feature-complete TDE instead of having to use incomplete and still slow smaller desktop environment on our computers!
Keep up the good work! -Alexandre
Le 14/11/2012 14:33, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Thank you Francois! It works very well. It is amazingly fast on PCLinuxOS and it is stable. Here a 2 ''problems'' that are not that much important that I have found: -It installs base packages of KDE4 as dependencies of TDE. It is not a big problem since I won't use KDE4 but it takes more disk space.
Hello,
the KDE4 stuff are installed because of a (wrong, imho) dependency in the distribution. In order to get the PCLInuxOS wallpapers in TDE, I need to install this package: "wallpaper-theme-default" It contains only ".jpg" wallpapers. But this package has a requirement for "kde-workspace-core". Why do wallpapers require KDE4 ? It should be the contrary. ... I suggest you fill a bug report in PCLinuxOS web site...
-On the login screen, it says Welcome to and after that there are system variables instead of just TDE or PCLinuxOS. I plan to use autologin so it will not even be seen.
OK, this one will be fixed when I rebuild the package.
I will need other packages such as KCalc, Ark, K3B, amarok, Dolphin and deKorator. If someone can take all these packages and their dependencies from the Mandriva 2011 repo to copy them in the repo made by Francois for PCLinuxOS, it would be very appreciated. Since PCLOS, Mandriva and Mageia are in the same family, it think that these packages would be a direct fit without having to rebuild them.
Alas, even though you may install packages from MGA or MDK, they are likely not to work correctly. Both Mandriva 2011 and Mageia 2 use libpng15, but PCLOS still use libpng12. That means most (if not all) of Trinity applications must be rebuilt for libpng12. But don't worry, I will build the remaining packages soon.
Francois
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:09:00 +0100 From: francois.andriot@free.fr To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
Le 14/11/2012 14:33, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Thank you Francois!
It works very well. It is amazingly fast on PCLinuxOS and it is stable.
Here a 2 ''problems'' that are not that much important that I have found:
-It installs base packages of KDE4 as dependencies of TDE. It is not a big problem since I won't use KDE4 but it takes more disk space.
Hello,
the KDE4 stuff are installed because of a (wrong, imho) dependency in the distribution.
In order to get the PCLInuxOS wallpapers in TDE, I need to install this package: "wallpaper-theme-default"
It contains only ".jpg" wallpapers.
But this package has a requirement for "kde-workspace-core".
Why do wallpapers require KDE4 ? It should be the contrary. ...
I suggest you fill a bug report in PCLinuxOS web site...
-On the login screen, it says Welcome to and after that there are system variables instead of just TDE or PCLinuxOS. I plan to use autologin so it will not even be seen.
OK, this one will be fixed when I rebuild the package.
I will need other packages such as KCalc, Ark, K3B, amarok, Dolphin and deKorator.
If someone can take all these packages and their dependencies from the Mandriva 2011 repo to copy them in the repo made by Francois for PCLinuxOS, it would be very appreciated. Since PCLOS, Mandriva and Mageia are in the same family, it think that these packages would be a direct fit without having to rebuild them.
Alas, even though you may install packages from MGA or MDK, they are likely not to work correctly.
Both Mandriva 2011 and Mageia 2 use libpng15, but PCLOS still use libpng12. That means most (if not all) of Trinity applications must be rebuilt for libpng12.
But don't worry, I will build the remaining packages soon.
Francois
Hi Francois,
It's funny to see that the wallpapers would need kde4. In my opinion, the trinity packages shouldn't have the PCLOS wallpapers as a dependency too. I'll check if I can force the removal of the wallpaper package and then if I can remove KDE4, but at the same time, it can be useful to have the base packages of KDE4 if I want to add KDE4 apps later, so I'll think about it!
For the login, I found out that I could write the text in the login manager page in the TDE control center...
I have installed qtcurve theme for qtk2, qt3 and qt4. Since I have some apps written in qt3 (as QCad and TDE) and some that looks like qt3 apps (as DraftSight) but is made in fact in qt4 and pure qt4 apps (as VLC media player and Clementine). Now, I have 2 or more qtconfig. PCLOS has one QT3 and one QT4, DraftSight seems to have a QT3 (probably that it isn't completely ported to qt4) In some qtconfig, I don't see my qtcurve theme but I see support for GTK theme, which is QTCurve, so I ended up having QTCurve in every apps.
Thank you!
-Alexandre
Le 14/11/2012 22:18, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Hi Francois,
It's funny to see that the wallpapers would need kde4. In my opinion, the trinity packages shouldn't have the PCLOS wallpapers as a dependency too. I'll check if I can force the removal of the wallpaper package and then if I can remove KDE4, but at the same time, it can be useful to have the base packages of KDE4 if I want to add KDE4 apps later, so I'll think about it!
For the login, I found out that I could write the text in the login manager page in the TDE control center...
I have installed qtcurve theme for qtk2, qt3 and qt4. Since I have some apps written in qt3 (as QCad and TDE) and some that looks like qt3 apps (as DraftSight) but is made in fact in qt4 and pure qt4 apps (as VLC media player and Clementine). Now, I have 2 or more qtconfig. PCLOS has one QT3 and one QT4, DraftSight seems to have a QT3 (probably that it isn't completely ported to qt4) In some qtconfig, I don't see my qtcurve theme but I see support for GTK theme, which is QTCurve, so I ended up having QTCurve in every apps.
Thank you!
-Alexandre
Hello,
I've just rebuilt the conflicting packages (tdebase), and also new packages. => no more need for kde4 packages; but you can still install them if you want.
First, remove every Trinity package you have installed previously: # rpm -qa "trinity-*" | xargs rpm -e
New instructions:
Configure the Trinity repository (the directories have changed since yesterday) : # echo "rpm http://trinity.mangafrance.com/pclos2012/ trinity-3.5.13/RPMS dependencies extras main"
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list
# apt-get update
Reinstall Trinity::
# apt-get install trinity-tdebase will install the basic desktop, as you did before.
# apt-get install trinity-desktop will install every base packages (except development).
# apt-get install trinity-i18n-French will install the french translation. There are other translations available too.
There is still a problem with the KDE4 profile script, if KDE4 libraries are installed. Move it away until I find a better solution: # mv /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh.OLD
I will build the remaining applications soon.
Francois
Hello,
This time I've built all TDE 3.5.13.1 packages for PCLinuxOS 2012, and solved the wallpaper and KDE4 problem.
If you have installed previous packages, remove them all: # rpm -qa "trinity-*" | xargs rpm -e
New instructions:
Configure the Trinity repository (the directories have changed since last time) : # echo "rpm http://trinity.mangafrance.com/pclos2012/ trinity-3.5.13/RPMS applications dependencies extras libraries main"
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list
# apt-get update
Install Trinity::
# apt-get install trinity-tdebase will install the basic desktop, as you did before.
# apt-get install trinity-desktop will install every base packages (except development).
# apt-get install trinity-i18n-French will install the french translation. There are other translations available too.
You can also install applications as amarok, k3b ... # apt-get install trinity-amarok # apt-get install trinity-k3b ...
Have fun with TDE :-)
Francois
On Friday 16 November 2012 21:58:02 François ANDRIOT wrote:
You can also install applications as amarok, k3b ... # apt-get install trinity-amarok # apt-get install trinity-k3b ...
Is there a reason that .rpm has trinity before the KDE name of the package - e.g. trinity-k3b - and .deb has it after, e.g. k3b-trinity? I've just checked the name of the .deb package, to make sure that I am not misremembering.
Well, I suppose that there must be a reason, and a better question would be: what is the reason?
Lisi
Le 16/11/2012 23:35, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
On Friday 16 November 2012 21:58:02 François ANDRIOT wrote:
You can also install applications as amarok, k3b ... # apt-get install trinity-amarok # apt-get install trinity-k3b ...
Is there a reason that .rpm has trinity before the KDE name of the package - e.g. trinity-k3b - and .deb has it after, e.g. k3b-trinity? I've just checked the name of the .deb package, to make sure that I am not misremembering.
Well, I suppose that there must be a reason, and a better question would be: what is the reason?
Lisi
It's only a matter of packager's choice. I chose to use "trinity" as a prefix for .rpm packages, whereas the .deb packager chose to use it as a suffix. There is no technical reason.
Francois
On Saturday 17 November 2012 08:45:46 Francois Andriot wrote:
Le 16/11/2012 23:35, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
Is there a reason that .rpm has trinity before the KDE name of the package - e.g. trinity-k3b - and .deb has it after, e.g. k3b-trinity? I've just checked the name of the .deb package, to make sure that I am not misremembering.
Well, I suppose that there must be a reason, and a better question would be: what is the reason?
Lisi
It's only a matter of packager's choice. I chose to use "trinity" as a prefix for .rpm packages, whereas the .deb packager chose to use it as a suffix. There is no technical reason.
Francois
Thank you!
Lisi
From: lisi.reisz@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:03:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
On Saturday 17 November 2012 08:45:46 Francois Andriot wrote:
Le 16/11/2012 23:35, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
Is there a reason that .rpm has trinity before the KDE name of the package - e.g. trinity-k3b - and .deb has it after, e.g. k3b-trinity? I've just checked the name of the .deb package, to make sure that I am not misremembering.
Well, I suppose that there must be a reason, and a better question would be: what is the reason?
Lisi
It's only a matter of packager's choice. I chose to use "trinity" as a prefix for .rpm packages, whereas the .deb packager chose to use it as a suffix. There is no technical reason.
Francois
Thank you!
Lisi
Good choice! It is better IMHO to have them separated for the KDE4 apps and it's less confusing.
-Alexandre
On Saturday 17 November 2012 18:47:33 Alexandre Couture wrote:
It is better IMHO to have them separated for the KDE4 apps and it's less confusing.
Erm ... Why does having the word trinity in different places for .rpm and .deb packages separate them better from KDE4? They could each have been the other way round and still been separated from KDE4.
Of course, having the word trinity in different places does help distinguish between the two packaging systems!
Luisi
From: lisi.reisz@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:15:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
On Saturday 17 November 2012 18:47:33 Alexandre Couture wrote:
It is better IMHO to have them separated for the KDE4 apps and it's less confusing.
Erm ... Why does having the word trinity in different places for .rpm and .deb packages separate them better from KDE4? They could each have been the other way round and still been separated from KDE4.
Of course, having the word trinity in different places does help distinguish between the two packaging systems!
Luisi
PCLinuxOS comes with KDE4. If the trinity word was at the end of the name, it would mean that the tde dolphin package would be right beside the kde4 dolphin package, so it would be easy to install the wrong program. With the trinity word in front of all trinity packages, all the packages coming from tde are grouped together when we go in Synaptic.
I understand why you said that, anyway .deb and .rpm wouldn't be used on the same distro!
-Alexandre
On 11/17/12, Alexandre Couture ac586133@hotmail.com wrote:
From: lisi.reisz@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:15:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
On Saturday 17 November 2012 18:47:33 Alexandre Couture wrote:
It is better IMHO to have them separated for the KDE4 apps and it's less confusing.
Erm ... Why does having the word trinity in different places for .rpm and .deb packages separate them better from KDE4? They could each have been the other way round and still been separated from KDE4.
Of course, having the word trinity in different places does help distinguish between the two packaging systems!
Luisi
PCLinuxOS comes with KDE4. If the trinity word was at the end of the name, it would mean that the tde dolphin package would be right beside the kde4 dolphin package, so it would be easy to install the wrong program. With the trinity word in front of all trinity packages, all the packages coming from tde are grouped together when we go in Synaptic.
I understand why you said that, anyway .deb and .rpm wouldn't be used on the same distro!
-Alexandre
Hi Alexandre
Please let me know when you ISO is ready for testing. I have a bank of test computers ready to go. Ranging from Athlons 32/64, Intel P3, P4, P4 dual core, Quadcore etc.
I have one request. Can you salvage the baghira theme? I think it was abandoned by it's creator.
Thanks and can't wait to try it,
Kate
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:30:30 -0500 From: borglabs4@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
On 11/17/12, Alexandre Couture ac586133@hotmail.com wrote:
From: lisi.reisz@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:15:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
On Saturday 17 November 2012 18:47:33 Alexandre Couture wrote:
It is better IMHO to have them separated for the KDE4 apps and it's less confusing.
Erm ... Why does having the word trinity in different places for .rpm and .deb packages separate them better from KDE4? They could each have been the other way round and still been separated from KDE4.
Of course, having the word trinity in different places does help distinguish between the two packaging systems!
Luisi
PCLinuxOS comes with KDE4. If the trinity word was at the end of the name, it would mean that the tde dolphin package would be right beside the kde4 dolphin package, so it would be easy to install the wrong program. With the trinity word in front of all trinity packages, all the packages coming from tde are grouped together when we go in Synaptic.
I understand why you said that, anyway .deb and .rpm wouldn't be used on the same distro!
-Alexandre
Hi Alexandre
Please let me know when you ISO is ready for testing. I have a bank of test computers ready to go. Ranging from Athlons 32/64, Intel P3, P4, P4 dual core, Quadcore etc.
I have one request. Can you salvage the baghira theme? I think it was abandoned by it's creator.
Thanks and can't wait to try it,
Kate
Kate, it will probably be ready before Christmas. If your computers runs well regular PCLinuxOS, it will run my TDE remaster as well. For the moment, I had an issue with the PCLOS installer who don't seem to ''see'' TDM and wants me to install XDM. Francois tried something but it doesn't work for me.
For now, I have installed GDM and it seem to work flawlessly. I will probably just put a PDF instruction file on the desktop so that the new users will know where to go in the PCLinuxOS control center to switch the session manager to TDM.
I use the Qt-Curve theme for now. It provides consistent look between QT3, Qt4 and GTK2 apps. If you provide a link to the baghira theme, it could include it. Do you have a GTK2 equivalent too?
Coming soon! -Alexandre
From: ac586133@hotmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:22:34 -0500 Subject: RE: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:30:30 -0500 From: borglabs4@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
On 11/17/12, Alexandre Couture ac586133@hotmail.com wrote:
From: lisi.reisz@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:15:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
On Saturday 17 November 2012 18:47:33 Alexandre Couture wrote:
It is better IMHO to have them separated for the KDE4 apps and it's less confusing.
Erm ... Why does having the word trinity in different places for .rpm and .deb packages separate them better from KDE4? They could each have been the other way round and still been separated from KDE4.
Of course, having the word trinity in different places does help distinguish between the two packaging systems!
Luisi
PCLinuxOS comes with KDE4. If the trinity word was at the end of the name, it would mean that the tde dolphin package would be right beside the kde4 dolphin package, so it would be easy to install the wrong program. With the trinity word in front of all trinity packages, all the packages coming from tde are grouped together when we go in Synaptic.
I understand why you said that, anyway .deb and .rpm wouldn't be used on the same distro!
-Alexandre
Hi Alexandre
Please let me know when you ISO is ready for testing. I have a bank of test computers ready to go. Ranging from Athlons 32/64, Intel P3, P4, P4 dual core, Quadcore etc.
I have one request. Can you salvage the baghira theme? I think it was abandoned by it's creator.
Thanks and can't wait to try it,
Kate
Kate, it will probably be ready before Christmas. If your computers runs well regular PCLinuxOS, it will run my TDE remaster as well. For the moment, I had an issue with the PCLOS installer who don't seem to ''see'' TDM and wants me to install XDM. Francois tried something but it doesn't work for me.
For now, I have installed GDM and it seem to work flawlessly. I will probably just put a PDF instruction file on the desktop so that the new users will know where to go in the PCLinuxOS control center to switch the session manager to TDM.
I use the Qt-Curve theme for now. It provides consistent look between QT3, Qt4 and GTK2 apps. If you provide a link to the baghira theme, it could include it. Do you have a GTK2 equivalent too?
Coming soon! -Alexandre
Quick update: My PCLinuxOS 2012 TDE starts in almost exactly the same time as my PCLinuxOS 2012 KDE.
The only difference is that my TDE test machine is a P4 with 768mb of ram and my main computer with KDE4 is a Core 2 Duo with 2gb of RAM.
I have nothing against KDE4... In fact I like it. The only problem with it is that it doesn't run well (or even at all...) on older hardware with less RAM and a less powerful CPU. This is probably why some person here have found KDE4 to be instable, especially on virtual machines. PCLinuxOS KDE is totally unusable on a PC with 512mb of RAM. It hangs just by getting to the desktop, but the problem is not caused by KDE4, it is caused by the fact that the computer runs out of RAM. It is very stable on a PC with plenty of RAM.
At the same time, TDE will probably run very well on computers with 256mb or even 128mb of RAM. I'll try to remove some RAM on my test PC to see how it runs!
-Alexandre
On Sunday 18 November 2012 01:33:17 Alexandre Couture wrote:
PCLinuxOS comes with KDE4. If the trinity word was at the end of the name, it would mean that the tde dolphin package would be right beside the kde4 dolphin package,
So you use a GUI installer? Yes, I suppose that that makes a sort of sense. I never use GUI installers, so hadn't really understood what you meant by "next to".
Lisi
From: lisi.reisz@gmail.com To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:18:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
On Sunday 18 November 2012 01:33:17 Alexandre Couture wrote:
PCLinuxOS comes with KDE4. If the trinity word was at the end of the name, it would mean that the tde dolphin package would be right beside the kde4 dolphin package,
So you use a GUI installer? Yes, I suppose that that makes a sort of sense. I never use GUI installers, so hadn't really understood what you meant by "next to".
Lisi
Yes, I use Synaptic and apps are listed in alphabetical order.
Have a nice day! -Alexandre
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:58:02 +0100 From: francois.andriot@free.fr To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012
Hello,
This time I've built all TDE 3.5.13.1 packages for PCLinuxOS 2012, and solved the wallpaper and KDE4 problem.
If you have installed previous packages, remove them all: # rpm -qa "trinity-*" | xargs rpm -e
New instructions:
Configure the Trinity repository (the directories have changed since last time) : # echo "rpm http://trinity.mangafrance.com/pclos2012/ trinity-3.5.13/RPMS applications dependencies extras libraries main"
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list
# apt-get update
Install Trinity::
# apt-get install trinity-tdebase will install the basic desktop, as you did before.
# apt-get install trinity-desktop will install every base packages (except development).
# apt-get install trinity-i18n-French will install the french translation. There are other translations available too.
You can also install applications as amarok, k3b ... # apt-get install trinity-amarok # apt-get install trinity-k3b ...
Have fun with TDE :-)
Francois
Thank you Francois! My PCLinuxOS TDE remaster is on the way! I have it almost fully set as I want and I did a few test remasters. As of now, it boots perfectly as a livecd but when I install it, draklive-install says that I need xdm. I have copied all files of TDE'S kdm on the normal places (not in /opt...) and I will try it back. It looks like Draklive-install couldn't find kdm.It takes 5-6 hours on my test computer to compress the entire disk to transform it in livecd iso.
The iso will contain the PCLOS base, TDE 3.5.13.1, LibreOffice, DraftSight, QCad, Firefox, Amarok, K3B, many TDE apps and the PCLOS control center. The KDE4 base and libs has been removed to reduce the size of the iso. As it is now, it weights about 1.5gb. It has a look very similar to KDE4 with the QtCurve theme, Oxygen icon theme and SuperKaramba widgets. The only difference is that the system is very fast and much more stable than KDE4, even on systems with less RAM.
I will try to post screenshots soon!
-Alexandre
Le 17/11/2012 20:01, Alexandre Couture a écrit :
Thank you Francois! My PCLinuxOS TDE remaster is on the way! I have it almost fully set as I want and I did a few test remasters. As of now, it boots perfectly as a livecd but when I install it, draklive-install says that I need xdm. I have copied all files of TDE'S kdm on the normal places (not in /opt...) and I will try it back. It looks like Draklive-install couldn't find kdm.It takes 5-6 hours on my test computer to compress the entire disk to transform it in livecd iso.
The iso will contain the PCLOS base, TDE 3.5.13.1, LibreOffice, DraftSight, QCad, Firefox, Amarok, K3B, many TDE apps and the PCLOS control center. The KDE4 base and libs has been removed to reduce the size of the iso. As it is now, it weights about 1.5gb. It has a look very similar to KDE4 with the QtCurve theme, Oxygen icon theme and SuperKaramba widgets. The only difference is that the system is very fast and much more stable than KDE4, even on systems with less RAM.
I will try to post screenshots soon!
-Alexandre
I think I've found a way to make draklive accept to install TDM as display manager, and not require XDM. I've just rebuilt and reuploaded all the 'tdebase' packages, so you must download again at least 'trinity-tdm' package.
Francois
On Sunday 11 November 2012 05:45:13 pm François ANDRIOT wrote:
Okay I've built a minimal quickbuild for PCLinuxOS 2012. Use the following instructions to install TDE 3.5.13.1 (as root user):
echo "rpm http://trinity.mangafrance.com/pclos2012/ trinity-3.5.13/RPMS i586 noarch" >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/trinity.list
apt-get update
apt-get install trinity-tdebase
chksession -k -g
If KDE4 is installed, the following script messes up with TDE. You have to move it until I found a solution: mv /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh /etc/profile.d/kde4env.sh.OLD
Then restart X server.
Login and choose "TDE" session, which should be in the list. TDE should be available in bot KDM and GDM.
Have fun with TDE :-)
Francois
That was fast! Thank you very much, I will give it a try as soon as I can.
Best regards,
Andy
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