Hi everyone.
Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not working correctly. Specifically, Firefox was repeatedly asking to be the default browser, even as I previously selected it as the default. And Thunderbird, in the middle of all this, would no longer open links at all, deciding to automatically add a new 'account' relating to news and feeds.
Both Vivaldi and Chromium were also installed as browsers, but once both of these were removed, Firefox and Thunderbird continued to exhibit the same behavior.
Upon installing first Trinity/Ubuntu 20.04.1 and then Lubuntu 20.04 LTS, I was unable to get HPLIP (as hp-setup) with either OS to communicate with my HP printer, which was USB-connected.
Final attempt, was to install Debian (10, LXQt). Fortunately, this was able to detect the printer using hp-setup, however neither hp-systray nor the HPLIP Toolbox (GUI) will launch.
I am extremely hesitant to install Trinity on top of this Debian installation, because I am afraid that with Konqueror included as the default file manager, I will have the same issues with Firefox and Thunderbird. I suspect that something with PCLOS may have changed, causing it to detect both Firefox and Konqueror as web browsers, instead of a web browser and a file manager. I don't know.
I have been fiddling with this for the past seven hours now. I just want it to work.
Thanks in advance for any advice/suggestions/etc.
On 2020/12/31 07:08 AM, Edward wrote:
Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not working correctly
Hi Edward, I use firefox every day on a debian install + TDE and I have no issues. I also used thunderbird for long time and it was always quite ok. You can set the default browser and file manager in the Trinity Control center, so the options are there. You probably get some wrong options somewhere, just wanted to say that usually konqueror, firefox, thunderbird can live together in a TDE installation without major dramas.
Cheers Michele
On 12/30/20 8:24 PM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/12/31 07:08 AM, Edward wrote:
Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not working correctly
Hi Edward, I use firefox every day on a debian install + TDE and I have no issues. I also used thunderbird for long time and it was always quite ok. You can set the default browser and file manager in the Trinity Control center, so the options are there. You probably get some wrong options somewhere, just wanted to say that usually konqueror, firefox, thunderbird can live together in a TDE installation without major dramas.
Cheers Michele
Hi Michele,
I honestly don't know what went wrong with Trinity/PCLOS. Everything had been fine before I installed Chromium first, then Vivaldi.
I'll install TDE on top of this Debian install. This is what's installed on my other desktop and so far, I'm not having the issues I had with TDE/PCLOS.
Thanks for the reply.
Ed
On Wednesday 30 December 2020 07:24:26 pm Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/12/31 07:08 AM, Edward wrote:
Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of Trinity/PCLinuxOS this morning, due to Firefox and Thunderbird not working correctly
Hi Edward, I use firefox every day on a debian install + TDE and I have no issues.
Unfortunately, I was forced to remove my installation of Trinity/PCLinuxOS
Upon installing first Trinity/Ubuntu 20.04.1 and then Lubuntu 20.04 LTS, Final attempt, was to install Debian (10, LXQt). Fortunately, this was
I have been fiddling with this for the past seven hours now. I just want it to work.
Thanks in advance for any advice/suggestions/etc.
Hi Edward,
If I’m reading that right, you don't seem to be married to any one distribution? Like Michele, I don’t have any issues with Debian 10 (buster) and the software you’ve mentioned.
This works ‘out of the box:’
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Ins...
The MX Package Installer has a ‘one click’ HP Printing (HPLIP and printing extras) install. [1]
My 2 cents.
Best, Michael
Note 1: MX is init based, non-systemd (uses a systemd shim, so you will see a dummy systemd entry in ps). Note 2: The tde.pm attached to that page works to fully install TDE. I’m in the middle of testing the next tde.pm release which will do a clean ‘uninstall’ of TDE. ETA ~Feb 1.
[1] List of what it installs: <install_package_names> printer-driver-hpijs hpijs-ppds hplip-data hplip-gui cups cups-pdf cups-client magicfilter gv </install_package_names>
On 12/30/20 9:32 PM, Michael via tde-users wrote:
Hi Edward,
If I’m reading that right, you don't seem to be married to any one distribution? Like Michele, I don’t have any issues with Debian 10 (buster) and the software you’ve mentioned.
This works ‘out of the box:’
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/MX_Linux_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Ins...
The MX Package Installer has a ‘one click’ HP Printing (HPLIP and printing extras) install. [1]
My 2 cents.
Best, Michael
Note 1: MX is init based, non-systemd (uses a systemd shim, so you will see a dummy systemd entry in ps). Note 2: The tde.pm attached to that page works to fully install TDE. I’m in the middle of testing the next tde.pm release which will do a clean ‘uninstall’ of TDE. ETA ~Feb 1.
[1] List of what it installs:
<install_package_names> printer-driver-hpijs hpijs-ppds hplip-data hplip-gui cups cups-pdf cups-client magicfilter gv </install_package_names>
I now have Debian 10 with Trinity installed on both of my desktops. So far, so good. :)
For a number of years, I used Fedora exclusively, but it eventually got to the point where it would take between 2-3 minutes just to boot-up. I have no idea why, but although I had multiple desktops installed, I didn't think that would have caused the slow boot-up. I actually tried Trinity with Fedora, but had to use the Fedora 31 packages, as the packages for 32 were not yet available at the time. It had worked fine.
I wanted to try out other distros with Trinity, to see how they all performed and each of them booted up in a matter of seconds, including inside a VirtualBox.
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 31 Dec 17:17:58 +0900 Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
On 2020/12/31 12:46 PM, Edward wrote:
I now have Debian 10 with Trinity installed on both of my desktops. So far, so good. :)
Can't beat that!!! (especially Debian Testing + TDE PSB/PTB)
Devuan :)
Cheers Michele
On Thursday 31 December 2020 00:25:55 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Thu, 31 Dec 17:17:58 +0900
Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
On 2020/12/31 12:46 PM, Edward wrote:
I now have Debian 10 with Trinity installed on both of my desktops. So far, so good. :)
Can't beat that!!! (especially Debian Testing + TDE PSB/PTB)
Devuan :)
+1 to that. I have found Devuan to be even more Debian than Debian itself.
Cheers Michele
May the Source be with you!
Bill
On 12/31/20 3:17 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/12/31 12:46 PM, Edward wrote:
I now have Debian 10 with Trinity installed on both of my desktops. So far, so good. :)
Can't beat that!!! (especially Debian Testing + TDE PSB/PTB)
Cheers Michele
Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in the past, it was only specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are showing Firefox as the default.
Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in the past, it was only specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are showing Firefox as the default.
Hi Edwards, have a look at Trinity Control Center -> TDE Components -> Default applications -> Web browser and set whatever is your preference there, regardless of what Firefox tells you.
Cheers Michele
On 1/1/21 2:34 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in the past, it was only specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are showing Firefox as the default.
Hi Edwards, have a look at Trinity Control Center -> TDE Components -> Default applications -> Web browser and set whatever is your preference there, regardless of what Firefox tells you.
Cheers Michele
Hi Michele,
I've actually reinstalled everything on the main desktop, but using the text-based installer this time, so I will have a look at those TDE settings after.
When I used the Debian LXQt image to originally install, I used the graphical installer and it appeared to have incorrectly set up the network, as an IPv6 testing web site mirror reported Firefox had an IPv6 address but was avoiding using it. I also had to disable IPv6 in the Thunderbird config file as it would not connect to my home Internet service provider's IMAP and SMTP servers. In addition, the graphical installer did not ask for the Internet domain nor a root password, which the text-based installer does. I found instructions to add the root password, when I discovered I couldn't update the system! I noticed the problem when I looked at resolv.conf and it did not contain 'domain' and 'search' entries, only containing ::1 and 127.0.0.1 as nameservers and included a reference that it was created by 'Connection Manager'. 😕
On my other desktop, I used the text-based version of the installer and that appears to correctly set up the network.
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On 1/1/21 2:34 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in the past, it was only specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are showing Firefox as the default.
Hi Edwards, have a look at Trinity Control Center -> TDE Components -> Default applications -> Web browser and set whatever is your preference there, regardless of what Firefox tells you.
Cheers Michele
Hi Michele,
Thunderbird was acting up again earlier, then noticed that Firefox had unbecome the default web browser again, so I went into the above screen and made Firefox the default.
TDE is a lot easier when it comes to things like this, an easy-to-use GUI. To turn off the user list at the login screen and turn on the numlock, instead of manually editing text files, it was two checkboxes away. :)
Ed
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On 2021-01-02 18:04:45 Edward wrote:
TDE is a lot easier when it comes to things like this, an easy-to-use GUI. To turn off the user list at the login screen and turn on the numlock, instead of manually editing text files, it was two checkboxes away. :)
Ed
That's one of the best things about TDE: One doesn't have to go down through innumerable layers of configuration windows to make a change.
Leslie --
On 1/2/21 7:46 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-02 18:04:45 Edward wrote:
TDE is a lot easier when it comes to things like this, an easy-to-use GUI. To turn off the user list at the login screen and turn on the numlock, instead of manually editing text files, it was two checkboxes away. :)
Ed
That's one of the best things about TDE: One doesn't have to go down through innumerable layers of configuration windows to make a change.
Leslie
And I discover it 10 years later! 😂
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On 1/2/21 7:04 PM, Edward wrote:
On 1/1/21 2:34 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
Although I have beta-tested software on Linux in the past, it was only specific applications, not an actual distribution. :)
I checked the Firefox preferences and even though it has so far, not prompted me to select it as the default browser, the preferences are showing Firefox as the default.
Hi Edwards, have a look at Trinity Control Center -> TDE Components -> Default applications -> Web browser and set whatever is your preference there, regardless of what Firefox tells you.
Cheers Michele
Hi Michele,
Thunderbird was acting up again earlier, then noticed that Firefox had unbecome the default web browser again, so I went into the above screen and made Firefox the default.
TDE is a lot easier when it comes to things like this, an easy-to-use GUI. To turn off the user list at the login screen and turn on the numlock, instead of manually editing text files, it was two checkboxes away. :)
Last night I had opened Konqueror to find some files. This morning, I clicked a link in Thunderbird, it opened Firefox and it again displayed a window that it wasn't the default browser. I again selected it as the default. This was after I set Firefox as the default in TDE Control Center/TDE Components/Default Applications.
So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless of the TCC setting.
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On 2021/01/04 10:09 PM, Edward wrote:
So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless of the TCC setting.
It must be something else Edward. I have Konqueror and Firefox open all the time and I have no problem. Konqueror is open with File Manager profile, maybe something different from your system??
Cheers Michele
On 1/4/21 8:42 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2021/01/04 10:09 PM, Edward wrote:
So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless of the TCC setting.
It must be something else Edward. I have Konqueror and Firefox open all the time and I have no problem. Konqueror is open with File Manager profile, maybe something different from your system??
Cheers Michele
I used the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE after. I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web Browser) and the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file manager, which is the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
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On 1/4/21 9:27 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 8:42 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2021/01/04 10:09 PM, Edward wrote:
So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless of the TCC setting.
It must be something else Edward. I have Konqueror and Firefox open all the time and I have no problem. Konqueror is open with File Manager profile, maybe something different from your system??
Cheers Michele
I used the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE after. I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web Browser) and the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file manager, which is the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
I didn't have this problem before installing Trinity, so I may have to discontinue using it.
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Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 09:33:46 -0500 Edward scripsit:
On 1/4/21 9:27 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 8:42 AM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2021/01/04 10:09 PM, Edward wrote:
So it appears that once Konqueror is launched for something, the system is making it the default browser, when it should not be and regardless of the TCC setting.
It must be something else Edward. I have Konqueror and Firefox open all the time and I have no problem. Konqueror is open with File Manager profile, maybe something different from your system??
Cheers Michele
I used the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE after. I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web Browser) and the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file manager, which is the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
I didn't have this problem before installing Trinity, so I may have to discontinue using it.
Open Firefox, go to "about:config", enter "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", set it to "false".
Quit all firefox instances. Do whatever it takes to make firfox amnesia appear. Reboot, log out, pray to the good of rotten software and lost spagetties. Restart firefox and check if the popup pops up again. If yes, check filepermissions of the ~/.mozilla - e.g. kill all firefox intances, do something like "chown $USER:$USER ~/.mozilla -R; chmod u+rw ~/.mozilla -R", reboot, check again. Repeat till you either find what program changes "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" to "true" or the problem goes away.
Nik
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On 1/4/21 10:30 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 09:33:46 -0500 Edward scripsit:
I used the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE after. I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web Browser) and the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file manager, which is the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
I didn't have this problem before installing Trinity, so I may have to discontinue using it.
Open Firefox, go to "about:config", enter "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", set it to "false".
Quit all firefox instances. Do whatever it takes to make firfox amnesia appear. Reboot, log out, pray to the good of rotten software and lost spagetties. Restart firefox and check if the popup pops up again. If yes, check filepermissions of the ~/.mozilla - e.g. kill all firefox intances, do something like "chown $USER:$USER ~/.mozilla -R; chmod u+rw ~/.mozilla -R", reboot, check again. Repeat till you either find what program changes "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" to "true" or the problem goes away.
Nik
Hi Nik,
I'll keep the list apprised. The above item in the config file was on 'true', I changed it to 'false' and rebooted the system.
This issue also occurred with Trinity and PCLinuxOS, using the TDE Mini install image.
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Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 11:25:46 -0500 Edward scripsit:
On 1/4/21 10:30 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 09:33:46 -0500 Edward scripsit:
I used the LXQt Debian 10.6 image to install, then installed TDE after. I have removed the Konqueror icon from the desktop (as Web Browser) and the panel and replaced them with the PCManFM-Qt file manager, which is the default for LXQt. I will see how this works.
I didn't have this problem before installing Trinity, so I may have to discontinue using it.
Open Firefox, go to "about:config", enter "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", set it to "false".
Quit all firefox instances. Do whatever it takes to make firfox amnesia appear. Reboot, log out, pray to the good of rotten software and lost spagetties. Restart firefox and check if the popup pops up again. If yes, check filepermissions of the ~/.mozilla - e.g. kill all firefox intances, do something like "chown $USER:$USER ~/.mozilla -R; chmod u+rw ~/.mozilla -R", reboot, check again. Repeat till you either find what program changes "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" to "true" or the problem goes away.
Nik
Hi Nik,
I'll keep the list apprised. The above item in the config file was on 'true', I changed it to 'false' and rebooted the system.
This issue also occurred with Trinity and PCLinuxOS, using the TDE Mini install image.
Well, it's a firefox problem. There's also a real chance for the user to have the GUI settings and about:config out of sync - it's somewhere in the firefox bugtracker, dating from 2018.
Nik
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On 1/4/21 11:43 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Well, it's a firefox problem. There's also a real chance for the user to have the GUI settings and about:config out of sync - it's somewhere in the firefox bugtracker, dating from 2018.
Nik
I'm still trying this and that. But so far, what I am seeing, is that if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
* Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
* Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi Snapshot release.
* Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Testing continues.
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On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 11:43 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Well, it's a firefox problem. There's also a real chance for the user to have the GUI settings and about:config out of sync - it's somewhere in the firefox bugtracker, dating from 2018.
Nik
I'm still trying this and that. But so far, what I am seeing, is that if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi Snapshot release.
Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Testing continues.
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it was in my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing me some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
On 1/4/21 5:02 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
I'm still trying this and that. But so far, what I am seeing, is that if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi Snapshot release.
Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Testing continues.
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it was in my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing me some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
No presence of BROWSER in .bashrc
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On 2021-01-04 16:59:33 Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 5:02 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
I'm still trying this and that. But so far, what I am seeing, is that if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
- Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to
False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi Snapshot release.
Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Testing continues.
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it was in my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing me some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
No presence of BROWSER in .bashrc.
Do echo $BROWSER to see if /something/ set it. :-)
Leslie --
On 1/4/21 6:43 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-04 16:59:33 Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 5:02 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
I'm still trying this and that. But so far, what I am seeing, is that if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
* Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back toFalse, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
* Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi, is still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi Snapshot release. * Not use Konqueror as a file manager.Testing continues.
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it was in my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing me some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
No presence of BROWSER in .bashrc.
Do echo $BROWSER to see if /something/ set it. :-)
No response to that command, not from my home directory and not from /
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On Monday 04 January 2021 16:37:58 Edward wrote:
No response to that command, not from my home directory and not from /
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My opinion, for what it's worth, is that Konqueror is an excellent file browser (better than available alternatives), but also a pretty nice web browser; however, it's best to choose one or the other, and there are lots of other web browsers out there. Your config file can be changed to force your own preferences; I haven't changed mine since about 2005, when I was running Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 and KDE3.
For Firefox and other Mozilla browsers, about:config can make your browser do almost anything you want. There are a lot of sites out there that give pretty clear instructions for how-to. And once I've got it set, I search for my about:config xul file, and save that, because it can be reused in other Mozilla browsers (modifying, of course, where necessary). My about:config, however, has been gradually modified, maybe once or twice a year, because the developers keep changing stuff.
Normally, I would be glad to share my xul file(s), but in this case they contain sensitive information, such as names and locations of places in my system. Whenever I can't get a browser to do what I want through the gui settings, it has pretty much always obeyed me after I go into about:config.
If you can't find answers on the web, try searching for specific terms; e.g., "force private window Firefox startup about:config" or "force compatibility about:config" or "make default browser about:config" -- and you will usually find *something* useful out there.
Good luck!
Bill
On 1/4/21 8:38 PM, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that Konqueror is an excellent file browser (better than available alternatives), but also a pretty nice web browser; however, it's best to choose one or the other, and there are lots of other web browsers out there. Your config file can be changed to force your own preferences; I haven't changed mine since about 2005, when I was running Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 and KDE3.
I agree that Konqueror is an excellent file manager.
The issue, is that once a different browser is launched, the system-wide setting for the default browser changes to whatever browser is launched, resulting in Firefox and Thunderbird not behaving as expected.
This clearly is overriding any default application settings in the TDE Control Center.
If Firefox is set as the default browser on the system, it should stay that way.
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On Tuesday 05 January 2021 05:21:41 Edward wrote:
I agree that Konqueror is an excellent file manager.
The issue, is that once a different browser is launched, the system-wide setting for the default browser changes to whatever browser is launched, resulting in Firefox and Thunderbird not behaving as expected.
This clearly is overriding any default application settings in the TDE Control Center.
If Firefox is set as the default browser on the system, it should stay that way.
Did you try changing those settings in about:config? (Nik was more explicit here.) Also, what other browsers do you use? I believe you never specified which others. That "something else" that makes system-wide changes is almost certainly another browser ... although strange things do happen.
Assuming that you are free of viruses, malware, etc., my only other guess would be Thunderbird, because it's also Mozilla, and *maybe* there could be a weird connection somewhere. But that seems like a stretch.
You might also want to take a look at permissions. I generally make everything read-only, no group privileges, unless there is good reason otherwise, so that nothing can be changed except by myself as admin.
Bill
On 2021-01-04 18:37:58 Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 6:43 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-04 16:59:33 Edward wrote:
On 1/4/21 5:02 PM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-04 15:18:02 Edward wrote:
I'm still trying this and that. But so far, what I am seeing, is that if /any/ web browser (Vivaldi, Konqueror) is launched while Firefox is already set as the default in the Firefox Preferences, it /will/ change the default browser setting within Firefox, whether or not the TDE Control Center defaults are empty or specify a default; and Thunderbird will then not open any links, instead creating that Blogs & News Feeds entry. This also automatically changes that Firefox config entry from False, back to True.
Suggestions to fix this (so far):
* Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back toFalse, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
* Use another browser/e-mail combo. Debian no longer provides SeaMonkey and the e-mail app that is now included with Vivaldi,is still under Technical Preview, but is enabled in the Vivaldi Snapshot release.
* Not use Konqueror as a file manager.Testing continues.
Look also to see if environment variable BROWSER is set, as it was in my .bashrc (I had apparently set it long ago, then forgotten), causing me some confusion until I found it.
Leslie
No presence of BROWSER in .bashrc.
Do echo $BROWSER to see if /something/ set it. :-)
No response to that command, not from my home directory and not from /
Well, at least that possibility is eliminated.
Leslie --
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 19:48:09 -0600 J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
- Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to
False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
Follow these steps:
https://www.cb-net.co.uk/linux/debian-8-jessie-firefox-locked-preferences/
Nik
Anno domini 2021 Tue, 5 Jan 09:45:44 +0100 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp scripsit:
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 4 Jan 19:48:09 -0600 J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
- Change the setting mentioned in your previous message back to
> False, setting it as the default again, exiting Firefox and > Thunderbird, then powering down or rebooting the system.
Follow these steps:
https://www.cb-net.co.uk/linux/debian-8-jessie-firefox-locked-preferences/
Nik
additional note: you can turn on plaintext preferences and add the defaultbrowsercheck to these prefs on login:
about:config --> general.config.obscure_value" = 0
Then in your .xinitrc or whatever you use to mange autostart on login:
for i in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/prets.js; do echo 'user_pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",false);' >> $i done
Sidenote: check the modification time of that file to identify if something is mession with your local firefox settings or if it's done on a global base.
nik
On 1/5/21 4:32 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Follow these steps:
https://www.cb-net.co.uk/linux/debian-8-jessie-firefox-locked-preferences/
Nik
additional note: you can turn on plaintext preferences and add the defaultbrowsercheck to these prefs on login:
about:config --> general.config.obscure_value" = 0
Then in your .xinitrc or whatever you use to mange autostart on login:
for i in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/prets.js; do echo 'user_pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",false);' >> $i done
Sidenote: check the modification time of that file to identify if something is mession with your local firefox settings or if it's done on a global base.
nik
Hi Nik,
When I turned the system on this morning (without launching Konqueror), Firefox and Thunderbird were working as expected. But when I checked the Firefox preferences, it again said it was not the default browser, I changed it back.
Something system-wide keeps changing the default browser.
I don't know what is installed managing autostart.
I added the above user pref line to a new file 'user.js' in the profile directory, this is commented as one method to change the preferences when looking at prefs.js in vim, however when launching Firefox after, the preferences again indicated it wasn't the default and the same user pref was true, so the user.js had no effect.
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Anno domini 2021 Tue, 5 Jan 08:47:00 -0500 Edward scripsit:
On 1/5/21 4:32 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Follow these steps:
https://www.cb-net.co.uk/linux/debian-8-jessie-firefox-locked-preferences/
Nik
additional note: you can turn on plaintext preferences and add the defaultbrowsercheck to these prefs on login:
about:config --> general.config.obscure_value" = 0
Then in your .xinitrc or whatever you use to mange autostart on login:
for i in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/prets.js; do echo 'user_pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser",false);' >> $i done
Sidenote: check the modification time of that file to identify if something is mession with your local firefox settings or if it's done on a global base.
nik
Hi Nik,
When I turned the system on this morning (without launching Konqueror), Firefox and Thunderbird were working as expected. But when I checked the Firefox preferences, it again said it was not the default browser, I changed it back.
Something system-wide keeps changing the default browser.
I don't know what is installed managing autostart.
I added the above user pref line to a new file 'user.js' in the profile directory, this is commented as one method to change the preferences when looking at prefs.js in vim, however when launching Firefox after, the preferences again indicated it wasn't the default and the same user pref was true, so the user.js had no effect.
Please check if "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" is set somewhere in the defaults. On my system it's set in 2 files. Whichever is read later will win:
$ fgrep browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser /usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults -R /usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults/syspref/firefox-esr.js:pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", false); /usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults/preferences/firefox.js:pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", true); $
Interestingly it's not set to false in my profile - where I explictly set it to false. But as "false" is the system default, I assume firefox uses some "clever opimisation" when saving preferences: $ fgrep browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser ~/.mozilla -R $
You can check what your firefox reads with this line - look for the last occurence of what ever prefrences file holds references to "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser": $ strace -f $(which firefox) 2>&1|grep '[.]js'|grep "[.]js""|sed 's#^.*"(.*)".*$#\1#'|less
Nik
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On 1/5/21 9:17 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Please check if "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser" is set somewhere in the defaults. On my system it's set in 2 files. Whichever is read later will win:
$ fgrep browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser /usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults -R /usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults/syspref/firefox-esr.js:pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", false); /usr/lib/firefox-esr/browser/defaults/preferences/firefox.js:pref("browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser", true); $
Interestingly it's not set to false in my profile - where I explictly set it to false. But as "false" is the system default, I assume firefox uses some "clever opimisation" when saving preferences: $ fgrep browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser ~/.mozilla -R $
You can check what your firefox reads with this line - look for the last occurence of what ever prefrences file holds references to "browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser": $ strace -f $(which firefox) 2>&1|grep '[.]js'|grep "[.]js""|sed 's#^.*"(.*)".*$#\1#'|less
Nik
Results:
The first fgrep command displayed the same as above. The second fgrep and strace commands resulted in no output.
Although browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser is listed in about:prefs in the browser, I noticed it is currently /not/ in the prefs.js file in my profile directory - when I opened Konqueror and then opened it with Kate. Firefox's preferences currently show it is the default browser and the box above it to check to see if it's the default each time, is currently not checked.
I also had Vivaldi installed, now removed. Will continue testing.
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On 1/5/21 10:58 AM, Edward wrote:
Although browser.shell.checkDefaultBrowser is listed in about:prefs in the browser, I noticed it is currently /not/ in the prefs.js file in my profile directory - when I opened Konqueror and then opened it with Kate. Firefox's preferences currently show it is the default browser and the box above it to check to see if it's the default each time, is currently not checked.
I also had Vivaldi installed, now removed. Will continue testing.
This should read /about:config/, not about:prefs.
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On 2021-01-05 07:47:00 Edward wrote:
Hi Nik,
When I turned the system on this morning (without launching Konqueror), Firefox and Thunderbird were working as expected. But when I checked the Firefox preferences, it again said it was not the default browser, I changed it back.
Something system-wide keeps changing the default browser.
I don't know what is installed managing autostart.
I added the above user pref line to a new file 'user.js' in the profile directory, this is commented as one method to change the preferences when looking at prefs.js in vim, however when launching Firefox after, the preferences again indicated it wasn't the default and the same user pref was true, so the user.js had no effect.
Is it possible that there are left-over tasks running that were created by another desktop, that might be changing this setting? I wonder, because when I used to reinstall my OpenSuSE system, to get GUI working I had to choose KDE(4) or Gnome, and since I really wanted to ultimately install Trinity, I chose Gnome. Once Trinity was working my system was amazingly slow, and after a lot of hairpulling I discovered that Gnome's file indexing subsystem was starting, even though I wasn't using Gnome; I had to delete those Gnome components. Maybe something similar is happening on your machine?
Leslie --
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 12:26:47AM -0600, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Is it possible that there are left-over tasks running that were created by another desktop, that might be changing this setting? I wonder, because when I used to reinstall my OpenSuSE system, to get GUI working I had to choose KDE(4) or Gnome, and since I really wanted to ultimately install Trinity, I chose Gnome. Once Trinity was working my system was amazingly slow, and after a lot of hairpulling I discovered that Gnome's file indexing subsystem was starting, even though I wasn't using Gnome; I had to delete those Gnome components. Maybe something similar is happening on your machine?
Modern Gnome is to classic Gnome as KDE 4 was to classic KDE, only more so. It puts its tentacles into everything, and like a vampire squid, sucks the life out of your desktop.
"What do you mean, not everyone has a $20K laptop with 64GB of RAM, which they religiously shut down at least twice a day?"
- the Gnome and Red Hat developers
Speaking of expensive laptops, I'm thinking of starting a GoFundMe to by me a Luvaglio.
https://www.topteny.com/top-10-most-expensive-laptops-in-the-world/
On Tuesday 05 January 2021 12.50:55 phiebie@drei.at wrote:
Midnight commander (mc) is as file manager far superior to konqueror.
That's only your opinion. I think it depends a lot on *what* one does with a "file manager". I'd not try to sort pictures with mc. I do it with Konqueror.
Thierry
On 2021-01-05 05:50:55 phiebie@drei.at wrote:
Edward,
- Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Midnight commander (mc) is as file manager far superior to konqueror.
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Uh-oh. Let the file-manager wars begin. :-D
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On Tuesday 05 January 2021 22:20:58 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-05 05:50:55 phiebie@drei.at wrote:
Edward,
- Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Midnight commander (mc) is as file manager far superior to konqueror.
Peter.
Uh-oh. Let the file-manager wars begin. :-D
Leslie
We are all free to use whatever suits us best. Linux has plenty of choices.
My point was, it seems a bad idea to use Konqueror as both a web browser and a file manager, even though it's possible, and even though you can create different profiles. Somebody else may know better than I, and I will listen. But my gut instinct says, choose one or the other, web browser or file manager. Don't use Konqueror for both.
Bill
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:53:55PM -0800, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
My point was, it seems a bad idea to use Konqueror as both a web browser and a file manager, even though it's possible, and even though you can create different profiles. Somebody else may know better than I, and I will listen. But my gut instinct says, choose one or the other, web browser or file manager. Don't use Konqueror for both.
Why not?
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for the soup.
On Tuesday 05 January 2021 23:34:10 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:53:55PM -0800, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
My point was, it seems a bad idea to use Konqueror as both a web browser and a file manager, even though it's possible, and even though you can create different profiles. Somebody else may know better than I, and I will listen. But my gut instinct says, choose one or the other, web browser or file manager. Don't use Konqueror for both.
Why not?
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
TDEs Konqueror as a browser is quite useless, but as file manager it is (almost) great. The problem is the HTML engine behind.
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Anno domini 2021 Wed, 06 Jan 10:35:46 +0100 deloptes via tde-users scripsit:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
TDEs Konqueror as a browser is quite useless, but as file manager it is (almost) great. The problem is the HTML engine behind.
Yep. Once upon a time you could select a different rendering engine, but IMO that was a millenia ago :)
Nik
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local drive?
Do you use different text editors for each sort of text file you view, according to their source or contents or both?
Do you use a different email client for every sender or mailing list?
I am perfectly content to use the same video player to view videos I have downloaded from the internet *and* those videos I have recorded or created myself. How about you?
My guess is that your web browser and your file browser are probably running under the same user account, stored in the same file system, on the same hard drive, in the same computer, under the same OS.
It isn't clear to me how using the same application for file browsing and web browsing is substantially worse, especially since you don't seem to be arguing that Konq is unsuitable for either task. You're just arguing that we shouldn't use it for *both*.
Bill, if you wanted to argue that Konq makes a crappy web browser in 2021, then I would agree. If you wanted to argue that it was a rubbish file browser, I would disagree but put it down to bad taste on your part. (I think Konq is the best file browser I have ever used on any OS.) But your argument that it is fine for one or the other but not both perplexes me.
On Wednesday 06 January 2021 03:20:29 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local drive?
Do you use different text editors for each sort of text file you view, according to their source or contents or both?
Do you use a different email client for every sender or mailing list?
I am perfectly content to use the same video player to view videos I have downloaded from the internet *and* those videos I have recorded or created myself. How about you?
My guess is that your web browser and your file browser are probably running under the same user account, stored in the same file system, on the same hard drive, in the same computer, under the same OS.
It isn't clear to me how using the same application for file browsing and web browsing is substantially worse, especially since you don't seem to be arguing that Konq is unsuitable for either task. You're just arguing that we shouldn't use it for *both*.
Bill, if you wanted to argue that Konq makes a crappy web browser in 2021, then I would agree. If you wanted to argue that it was a rubbish file browser, I would disagree but put it down to bad taste on your part. (I think Konq is the best file browser I have ever used on any OS.) But your argument that it is fine for one or the other but not both perplexes me.
I haven't used Konq as a web browser (except occasionally by accident) for a long time, and as others have noted, it's not so useful any more as a web browser any more, but I hadn't really paid attention to that side of it. I remember it being a pretty good web browser, years ago, but prefer to use it strictly as a file manager.
The reason I don't like it (or any similar software) for mixed uses such as web browsing *and* file manager is, if I might call it such, sort of like sandboxing. If you have ever tried to open a web page in your browser, then -- SURPRISE! -- you find yourself looking at your file system, you might understand what I am driving at. (And perhaps others can chime in here, if they agree or disagree ...) In my view, you open yourself up to insecurities.
And as a matter of fact, I do use different text editors, but only so that I can anchor them to different desktops, and use them for dedicated tasks that I like to keep separate. When it comes to browsers, again, I do indeed use different browsers, each with different security settings, some strictly over proxy with everything blocked, some not quite so secure, and some that I use over a direct connection for banking, shopping, etc. So to use Konqueror for one thing only -- file browsing -- follows the same principle of using different browsers for different sorts of sites, each dedicated to their different tasks. I use Seamonkey for a obscure blog to which I add new posts every couple months; I use Icecat for all my most secure web browsing, when I do research on whatever; I use Vivaldi for business stuff; I used Qupzilla when I was the admin and DJ of an online radio station; I sometimes also use other browsers now and then, and always follow that same basic principle.
You don't have to agree with me. You don't have to take my advice or follow my own path; it will undoubtedly end in madness, anyway. If anybody knows better, I'm always glad to listen and learn if I can. But there is my reasoning. I believe I'm just about explained out of breath, so I hope I've made myself clear.
Maybe I ought to add that I also keep using stone tools; no need to upgrade. My ways are primitive, but they work.
Bill
What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked, Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and not open links when selected.
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Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500 Edward scripsit:
What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked, Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and not open links when selected.
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So you'll have to check 2 things: 1) reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close it. reboot, launch firefox: does the said popup occur? 2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen? 2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500 Edward scripsit:
What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked, Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
- reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close it. reboot, launch firefox: does the said popup occur?
2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen? 2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
1. No 2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon shutdown/reboot.
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On 1/6/21 9:31 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500 Edward scripsit:
What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked, Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
- reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close
it. reboot, launch firefox: does the said popup occur? 2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen? 2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
- No
2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon shutdown/reboot.
Just did a shutdown (for 20 minutes) and powered it back on. Opened Thunderbird, selected a link in an e-mail, it correctly launched Firefox and opened the page. Upon checking the Firefox preferences, it now shows Firefox is *not* the default browser with the check-for-default box still unchecked.
So, something occurring during shutdowns and reboots, is clearly affecting the system default browser settings.
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Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 10:01:32 -0500 Edward scripsit:
On 1/6/21 9:31 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500 Edward scripsit:
What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked, Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
- reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close
it. reboot, launch firefox: does the said popup occur? 2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen? 2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
- No
2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon shutdown/reboot.
Just did a shutdown (for 20 minutes) and powered it back on. Opened Thunderbird, selected a link in an e-mail, it correctly launched Firefox and opened the page. Upon checking the Firefox preferences, it now shows Firefox is *not* the default browser with the check-for-default box still unchecked.
So, something occurring during shutdowns and reboots, is clearly affecting the system default browser settings.
Firefox GUI settings is not the right place to go. Go to about:config and check there. Also, have you tried mandatory settings?
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On 2021-01-06 09:01:32 Edward wrote:
On 1/6/21 9:31 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500
Edward scripsit:
What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked, Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
- reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close
it. reboot, launch firefox: does the said popup occur? 2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen? 2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
- No
2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon shutdown/reboot.
Just did a shutdown (for 20 minutes) and powered it back on. Opened Thunderbird, selected a link in an e-mail, it correctly launched Firefox and opened the page. Upon checking the Firefox preferences, it now shows Firefox is *not* the default browser with the check-for-default box still unchecked.
So, something occurring during shutdowns and reboots, is clearly affecting the system default browser settings.
Is there anything pertinent/suspicious in the system log for the period between the shutdown command and the hardware shutdown?
Leslie --
On 1/8/21 4:11 AM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Is there anything pertinent/suspicious in the system log for the period between the shutdown command and the hardware shutdown?
Leslie
In looking at /var/log/syslog.1 from the shutdown last night, only one item was highlighted (using vim to view):
at-spi-bus-launcher[963]: XIO: fatal I/O error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0"
Otherwise, it appears to have shutdown normally.
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On 1/8/21 7:54 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/8/21 4:11 AM, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Is there anything pertinent/suspicious in the system log for the period between the shutdown command and the hardware shutdown?
Leslie
In looking at /var/log/syslog.1 from the shutdown last night, only one item was highlighted (using vim to view):
at-spi-bus-launcher[963]: XIO: fatal I/O error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0"
Otherwise, it appears to have shutdown normally.
There are 2 choices for the alternative x-www-browser (providing /usr/bin/x-www-browser).
Selection Path Priority Status ------------------------------------------------------------ * 0 /opt/trinity/bin/konqueror 100 auto mode 1 /opt/trinity/bin/konqueror 100 manual mode 2 /usr/bin/firefox-esr 70 manual mode
Firefox was the default earlier, when I now checked it, it wasn't and noticed the above. Konqueror has not been launched all day.
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Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 09:31:23 -0500 Edward scripsit:
On 1/6/21 8:29 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 08:09:23 -0500 Edward scripsit:
What I have been able to determine, so far:
If Konqueror or another web browser is left alone:
And Firefox is *not* the default browser, the box in Preferences to always check if it's the default is *not* checked, both Firefox and Thunderbird, so far, have behaved as expected. With the box unchecked, Firefox obviously does not prompt for it to become the default.
Once Konqueror or another web browser is launched:
Firefox, when launched afterwards, will again prompt to become the default and once again, Thunderbird will create 'Blogs & News Feeds' and not open links when selected.
So you'll have to check 2 things:
- reboot, launch firefox, close it, lauch any other browser, close it. reboot, launch firefox: does the said popup occur?
2a) If not: what changed in the local users environment variablen? 2b) if yes: what files were changed in the local users environment?
Nik
When I powered the system on this morning, the Firefox preferences indicated it *was* the default browser, with the box to check for default, unchecked. Last night, it was showing it was *not* the default.
In light of this, upon performing the steps in Q1:
- No
2A. Unknown
Something appears to be changing the default browser status upon shutdown/reboot.
Nothing changes things for firefox. Most likely "something" sets some environment varable that firefox uses to determine if it's the standard browser.
So look for changes in your environment. Start with a clean reboot, then:
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/a", close terminal - start firefox, note if the said popup appears - open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/b", close terminal - start "some other" browser - open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/c", close terminal - start firefox, note if the said popup appears - open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/d", close terminal
Then note the differences aka changes to the initial environment (You may use "kompare" instead of "diff", if you like):
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b $ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c $ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d
So let's see what changes from a to d :)
Nik
On 1/6/21 10:24 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Nothing changes things for firefox. Most likely "something" sets some environment varable that firefox uses to determine if it's the standard browser.
So look for changes in your environment. Start with a clean reboot, then:
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/a", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/b", close terminal
- start "some other" browser
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/c", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/d", close terminal
Then note the differences aka changes to the initial environment (You may use "kompare" instead of "diff", if you like):
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b $ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c $ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d
So let's see what changes from a to d :)
Nik
Upon starting both instances of Firefox, it came up as the default browser each time, no prompt and the check-for-default box was not checked.
Konqueror was launched between the two, went through a couple of directories in Konqueror.
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b 14,15c14,15 < KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole) < KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1) ---
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1193,konsole) KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1193,session-1)
19d18 < OLDPWD=/home/epp 21c20 < PWD=/home/epp/tmp ---
PWD=/home/epp
39c38 < WINDOWID=67108874 ---
WINDOWID=83886090
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c 14,15c14,15 < KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole) < KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1) ---
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1207,konsole) KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1207,session-1)
19d18 < OLDPWD=/home/epp 21c20 < PWD=/home/epp/tmp ---
PWD=/home/epp
39c38 < WINDOWID=67108874 ---
WINDOWID=85983242
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d 14,15c14,15 < KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole) < KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1) ---
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1377,konsole) KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1377,session-1)
19d18 < OLDPWD=/home/epp 21c20 < PWD=/home/epp/tmp ---
PWD=/home/epp
39c38 < WINDOWID=67108874 ---
WINDOWID=85983242
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Anno domini 2021 Wed, 6 Jan 11:25:18 -0500 Edward scripsit:
On 1/6/21 10:24 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Nothing changes things for firefox. Most likely "something" sets some environment varable that firefox uses to determine if it's the standard browser.
So look for changes in your environment. Start with a clean reboot, then:
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/a", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/b", close terminal
- start "some other" browser
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/c", close terminal
- start firefox, note if the said popup appears
- open terminal window, "env | sort > /tmp/d", close terminal
Then note the differences aka changes to the initial environment (You may use "kompare" instead of "diff", if you like):
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b $ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c $ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d
So let's see what changes from a to d :)
Nik
Upon starting both instances of Firefox, it came up as the default browser each time, no prompt and the check-for-default box was not checked.
Konqueror was launched between the two, went through a couple of directories in Konqueror.
So konqueror is not the problem. You'll need to find the program that does bad things to firefox. KONSOLE_DCOP*-variables can be safely ignored, as can PWD and PLDPWD.
Nik
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/b 14,15c14,15 < KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole)
< KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1)
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1193,konsole) KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1193,session-1)
19d18 < OLDPWD=/home/epp 21c20
< PWD=/home/epp/tmp
PWD=/home/epp
39c38
< WINDOWID=67108874
WINDOWID=83886090
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/c 14,15c14,15 < KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole)
< KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1)
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1207,konsole) KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1207,session-1)
19d18 < OLDPWD=/home/epp 21c20
< PWD=/home/epp/tmp
PWD=/home/epp
39c38
< WINDOWID=67108874
WINDOWID=85983242
$ diff /tmp/a /tmp/d 14,15c14,15 < KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,konsole)
< KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1004,session-1)
KONSOLE_DCOP=DCOPRef(konsole-1377,konsole) KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION=DCOPRef(konsole-1377,session-1)
19d18 < OLDPWD=/home/epp 21c20
< PWD=/home/epp/tmp
PWD=/home/epp
39c38
< WINDOWID=67108874
WINDOWID=85983242
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On 2021-01-06 05:20:29 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local drive?
It works fine for that, as long as the HTML is ancient. Don't expect HTML5 and/or CSS3 to work correctly; the rendering engine doesn't understand that.
[snip]
Leslie --
On Friday 08 January 2021 01:06:40 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-06 05:20:29 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local drive?
It works fine for that, as long as the HTML is ancient. Don't expect HTML5 and/or CSS3 to work correctly; the rendering engine doesn't understand that.
[snip]
Leslie
Any security or privacy risk, I think, would be similar to loading the html content in your email, or reading a pdf which contains live external html links and is allowed access to the internet. If you are one of those folks who, like myself, force Kmail or other email client to display plain text only, then why not be consistent throughout?
If you use Konqueror as both web browser and file manager -- especially at the same time, in the same session -- then you may not only leak personal data, but also present opportunities for intrusions; others may see inside your file system, such as the contents of your home folder, or maybe do worse. But I am just speculating what could happen, if one is careless, or an intruder too clever.
Bill
On 2021-01-08 08:42:35 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 01:06:40 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-06 05:20:29 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 01:04:02AM -0800, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
If I like Konq's file browser functionality, and I like Konq's web browser functionality, why do I have to pick only one?
That seems a bit like saying that I can use a spoon for eating soup, or for eating breakfast cereal, but I can only choose one. If I choose to eat cereal with the spoon, then I have to use chopsticks or a fork for the soup.
A more appropriate metaphor would be: One ought not use the same tub of water for cooking, bathing, cleaning the floor and bathroom, etc. Better to have separate tubs. Or maybe others are not so fastidious as myself?
Sorry, I don't see why that is a better analogy.
Is it okay to use Konq to look at web pages (html files) on your local drive?
It works fine for that, as long as the HTML is ancient. Don't expect HTML5 and/or CSS3 to work correctly; the rendering engine doesn't understand that.
[snip]
Leslie
Any security or privacy risk, I think, would be similar to loading the html content in your email, or reading a pdf which contains live external html links and is allowed access to the internet. If you are one of those folks who, like myself, force Kmail or other email client to display plain text only, then why not be consistent throughout?
If you use Konqueror as both web browser and file manager -- especially at the same time, in the same session -- then you may not only leak personal data, but also present opportunities for intrusions; others may see inside your file system, such as the contents of your home folder, or maybe do worse. But I am just speculating what could happen, if one is careless, or an intruder too clever.
I agree. Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from connecting to the internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the best search arguments would be for hunting for them.
Leslie --
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from connecting to the internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the best search arguments would be for hunting for them.
https://serverfault.com/questions/550276/how-to-block-internet-access-to-cer...
On Friday 08 January 2021 10:31:23 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from connecting to the internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the best search arguments would be for hunting for them.
https://serverfault.com/questions/550276/how-to-block-internet-access-to-cer...
Oooh! NEW TOY!
Thanks, Michael. This might keep me busy for a while.
Bill
On 2021-01-08 12:31:23 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from connecting to the internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the best search arguments would be for hunting for them.
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Hmmm... firejail looks like the easiest way to go, but their RPM package is broken and can't be installed.
Leslie --
On Friday 08 January 2021 18:42:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-08 12:31:23 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from connecting to the internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the best search arguments would be for hunting for them.
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Hmmm... firejail looks like the easiest way to go, but their RPM package is broken and can't be installed.
Leslie
It's in Debian/Devuan repositories. There is some package that will convert deb to rpm; I forget the name offhand. Or you could go by way of compile-from-source ... or build your own packages ...
I know, I hate doing that stuff, but maybe there are other possible solutions out there?
Bill
Anno domini 2021 Fri, 8 Jan 19:46:54 -0800 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Friday 08 January 2021 18:42:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-08 12:31:23 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from connecting to the internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the best search arguments would be for hunting for them.
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Hmmm... firejail looks like the easiest way to go, but their RPM package is broken and can't be installed.
Leslie
It's in Debian/Devuan repositories. There is some package that will convert deb to rpm; I forget the name offhand. Or you could go by way of compile-from-source ... or build your own packages ...
I know, I hate doing that stuff, but maybe there are other possible solutions out there?
cgroups - but they are a bit strange.
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On 2021-01-08 21:46:54 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 18:42:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-08 12:31:23 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2021 12:00:36 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Do you know of a way to prevent a browser from connecting to the internet (ideally, by preventing connections using particular useragent strings)? So far I haven't found any such, but I don't know what the best search arguments would be for hunting for them.
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Hmmm... firejail looks like the easiest way to go, but their RPM package is broken and can't be installed.
Leslie
It's in Debian/Devuan repositories. There is some package that will convert deb to rpm; I forget the name offhand. Or you could go by way of compile-from-source ... or build your own packages ...
I know, I hate doing that stuff, but maybe there are other possible solutions out there?
Bill
I found RPMs for firejail using the OpenSuSE Download webpage, but OpenSuSE has deprecated the Leap 15.1 repositories, so first I have to upgrade my system to 15.2.
Leslie --
On 2021-01-06 00:53:55 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 05 January 2021 22:20:58 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-05 05:50:55 phiebie@drei.at wrote:
Edward,
- Not use Konqueror as a file manager.
Midnight commander (mc) is as file manager far superior to konqueror.
Peter.
Uh-oh. Let the file-manager wars begin. :-D
Leslie
We are all free to use whatever suits us best. Linux has plenty of choices.
My point was, it seems a bad idea to use Konqueror as both a web browser and a file manager, even though it's possible, and even though you can create different profiles. Somebody else may know better than I, and I will listen. But my gut instinct says, choose one or the other, web browser or file manager. Don't use Konqueror for both.
The only reason I don't use Konqueror anymore for browsing is that it can't render modern webpages properly because of its ancient HTML engine. Whenever I do accidentally open a web link the results are painful to look at. I suspect that it doesn't provide much of the necessary protection that a modern web browser does, either.
Leslie --
On Thursday 31 December 2020 03.32:52 Michael via tde-users wrote:
Hi Edward,
If I’m reading that right, you don't seem to be married to any one distribution? Like Michele, I don’t have any issues with Debian 10 (buster) and the software you’ve mentioned.
I owe a big debt to SuSE (written that way) for teaching me how to use Linux back in the 1990's (their manual was perfect), but since I discovered TDE, Debian has been the most reliable distribution and I've been comming back to it whatever I've tried.
It's the source of *buntu and as they say, "use the source" :)
Raspbian works well on ARM too.
Thierry
On 12/31/20 3:12 AM, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 31 December 2020 03.32:52 Michael via tde-users wrote:
Hi Edward,
If I’m reading that right, you don't seem to be married to any one distribution? Like Michele, I don’t have any issues with Debian 10 (buster) and the software you’ve mentioned.
I owe a big debt to SuSE (written that way) for teaching me how to use Linux back in the 1990's (their manual was perfect), but since I discovered TDE, Debian has been the most reliable distribution and I've been comming back to it whatever I've tried.
It's the source of *buntu and as they say, "use the source" :)
Raspbian works well on ARM too.
Thierry
Hi Thierry,
When I was first introduced to Linux back in 2003, SuSE was the first distribution I tried. Installed it and it worked right out of the box. In fact, I still have the SuSE 9 retail box and installation media.
Have used Linux ever since. Linux is a continual learning experience. :)
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