tde-users April 2018

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TDE setting up the environment
by Oleg Levenets 30 Apr '18

30 Apr '18

Hi, I have two questions. First: how can I enable scrolling text in tde console using the mouse wheel? I did not find the necessary parameters in the configuration. The second question: I would like to change the display of the date and time in the system tray. By default, the left is the time, on the right is the date, how can I change their places best regards, Oleg Levenets.

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(How) Can I use a markdown parser in Konqueror?
by Leslie Turriff 30 Apr '18

30 Apr '18

It seems that markdown has become the new darling of the technical writers. Is there a markup parser that's compatible with Konqueror? Would it have to be written in JavaScript, or can other languages be made to work? I see that the original markdown parser was written in perl. If there is such an animal that will work with Konqueror, how does one install it? Leslie

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[trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5
by dep 30 Apr '18

30 Apr '18

said deloptes: |You need to be more explicit, there re, or were, 2 different versions of |TDE, I jumped straight to R14.0.0.1 originally, and never looked back, |currently at R14.0.5. So I don't recall the other version offered. okay, let's take it from the top. i ran kde from the last beta before kde 1.0, almost 20 years ago. beginning with 4.0, the kde project went in my estimation all flaky, so i stuck with 3.5.x until i was happy to learn of tde, which i have used since then in its verious versions. i am currently running tde 14.0.5 atop ubuntu 14.04. [much deletia] i'm glad you have kmail working as you like. i do, too. |What does this protonmail do that makes it so much more desirable? it's not either/or. protonmail is a secure mail service, not a mail client. you can learn about it if you like at protonmail.com. thing is, access to protonmail in linux is currently via a secure web interface (or an unofficial desktop app that is really a secure browser dedicated to protonmail). for windows and mac there is a thing called protonmail bridge. it encrypts the mail on the local machine before sending it, and decrypts it upon receipt, allowing more traditional mail clients to send and receive mail through protonmail. there is currently a beta, available only from protonmail, of the bridge for linux. that is what i am trying to install, so i can continue to use kmail, as i have for nearly two decades. part of the reason for this is a change of the terms of use by my isp a week ago, wherein they announced that they would be combing through my email, pictures, and everything else in search of things useful to them. as a reporter and photographer for a living, i found this unacceptable. hence protonmail and hence my desire to make it work with kmail. dep Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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[trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5
by dep 29 Apr '18

29 Apr '18

said Dr. Nikolaus Klepp: |The point of protinmail - as I see it - was an email address, that could not be associated | with a real person. But protonmail changed the initial user authentication to require a | handy or some other identifyable device, so the main purpose is gone. not necessarily. while two-factor authentication is offered, it is not required. |But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted mail-subject, e.g "Subject: [trinity-users] | Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random string, which gets replaced on the | receiver side with an embedded subject from within the encrypted mail. Reason is, that a | lot of users use a subject that tells a lot about the mail content, at least enough to let it be | sorted in "interesting" or "junk". that's the point, and why setting it up to work with kmail requires an intervening application, the protonmail bridge. normally one would use the protonmail web interface -- essentially webmail -- which is entirely encrypted, or a special application that seems to be little more than a one-site secure browser connected to the protonmail site. (for linux: https://github.com/protonmail-desktop/application) but to use it with kmail or another mail client one needs to employ the bridge application, which encrypts before sending and decrypts upon receipt, on which a regular mail client can be hitched. (details here:https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/third-party-email-client…) in each case, as i understand it absolutely everything is encrypted: subject, sender, recipient, the works. the advantage to two-factor encryption in the service is of course added security should someone learn or guess your password but also the service's claim that with two-factor authentication not even the owners of protonmail can read your mail. i should mention that they offer a free version, which gives you a protonmail.com email address and limits your storage to 500 mb and each user to 150 email messages per day. though some features -- using your own domain, use of protonmail bridge -- are restricted to paid accounts, the cheapest of which is € 48.00 per year. and i think i've carried the forum terribly off-topic. i am not, btw, a protonmail salesman! dep Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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[trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5
by dep 29 Apr '18

29 Apr '18

asked Gene Heskett: |Silly Q: do they do mailing lists? i don't think so, but i don't know with certainty. |And how much per annum do they want for a paid service? i'm paying $48/year, but that's because i wanted to bring a domain (drippingwithirony.com) along. they have more expensive services, typically i'd guess for businesses. it's worth knowing that end-to-end encryption requires the person on the other end to be a protonmail user as well. for anyone else, they encrypt it from desktop to them, and on their servers. they're in switzerland, which has pretty stringent privacy laws. they also offer a vpn, which i'm considering, though the fast ones are substantially more than their mail service. though for now i'm content to get protonmail bridge installed and playing nicely with kmail. dep Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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[trinity-users] Re: more re. tde and qt5
by dep 29 Apr '18

29 Apr '18

said Gene Heskett: |There is no competing ISP available in your neck of the woods? And do |those posts normally subjectable to copyright carry the notice that they |are? alas, no, frontier dsl is the only game in my neck of -- literally -- the woods. there's not even cellular service here, though at home i can get tmobile cell over ip. as to copyright, that's not the issue. people i'm writing about and who are giving me information sometimes communicate via email and they would like that communication to be confidential. frontier has always farmed its email service out to yahoo, which is frightening enough. but last year the email part of the rotting remains of yahoo was bought up by a consortium of what's left of aol and verizon to create something called "oath." last week they sent new terms of use, in part: -- We’ve updated how we collect and use data. We’ve updated some of the ways we collect and analyze user data in order to deliver services, content, and relevant advertising to you and protect against abuse. This includes: --Analyzing content and information (including emails, instant messages, posts, photos, attachments, and other communications) when you use our services. This allows us to deliver, personalize and develop relevant features, content, advertising and services -- Linking your activity on third-party sites and apps with information we have about you Providing anonymized and aggregated reports to other parties regarding user trends -- We’ve joined Verizon. By joining Verizon, Oath and its affiliates may share the information we receive among Verizon. Learn more about Verizon’s privacy practices. dont you just love that "protect against abuse" part? that's the same company that managed to let the information on a *billion* users get loose not long ago. no, thanks. so protonmail is essential. making it work with kmail is to cause my life to be nicer. dep Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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[trinity-users] more re. tde and qt5
by dep 28 Apr '18

28 Apr '18

per Nick Koretsky: | none of this conflicts with trinity on debian. Either ubuntu pacakges are | broken or you installed some libs from ppas and now have version conflicts. | Start aptitude in interactive mode and look for what exactly brakes when | you add this packages. here's what happens when i try to install protonmail-bridge: Selecting previously unselected package protonmail-bridge. (Reading database ... 1534488 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../protonmail-bridge_1.0.3-1_amd64.deb ... Unpacking protonmail-bridge (1.0.3-1) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of protonmail-bridge: protonmail-bridge depends on qt5-default; however: Package qt5-default is not installed. protonmail-bridge depends on libqt5designer5; however: Package libqt5designer5 is not installed. protonmail-bridge depends on libqt5multimediawidgets5; however: Package libqt5multimediawidgets5 is not installed. protonmail-bridge depends on libqt5quickwidgets5; however: Package libqt5quickwidgets5 is not installed. dpkg: error processing package protonmail-bridge (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.10.1-0ubuntu2) ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.22-1ubuntu1.1) ... Processing triggers for mime-support (3.54ubuntu1.1) ... Errors were encountered while processing: protonmail-bridge RESULT=1 so let's install the dependencies, beginning with qt5-default: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: protonmail-bridge : Depends: libqt5designer5 but it is not going to be installed Depends: libqt5multimediawidgets5 but it is not going to be installed Depends: libqt5quickwidgets5 but it is not installable qt5-default : Depends: qtbase5-dev but it is not going to be installed N: Ignoring file 'brave-trusty.listgrep' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension N: Ignoring file 'brave*' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension N: Ignoring file 'brave-trusty.listgrep' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension N: Ignoring file 'brave*' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension N: Ignoring file 'brave-trusty.listgrep' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension N: Ignoring file 'brave*' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). so let's do what it suggests and run apt-get -f install: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: acpi amarok-common-trinity amarok-engine-xine-trinity amarok-trinity arts-trinity bluetooth bluez-utils crystalcursors desktop-effects-tde-trinity dmz-cursor-theme fonts-arabeyes foo2zjs fortune-mod fortunes-min fotoxx-common gir1.2-ges-1.0 gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-0.10 gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0 gir1.2-gstreamer-0.10 gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 gstreamer1.0-gnonlin gtk-qt-engine-trinity gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity gwenview-trinity kaffeine-trinity karm-trinity katapult-trinity kbstate-trinity kdbusnotification-trinity keep-trinity kmag-trinity kmailcvt-trinity kmousetool-trinity kmplayer-base-trinity kmplayer-konq-plugins-trinity konversation-trinity kopete-trinity kpf-trinity kppp-trinity krdc-trinity krfb-trinity ksplash-engine-moodin-trinity ksystemlog-trinity ktorrent-trinity kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts-trinity kvkbd-trinity landscape-client landscape-common lftp libavahi-tqt-1 libccfits0 libcfitsio3 libdbus-tqt-1-1c2 libges-1.0-0 libifp4 libjs-sphinxdoc libllvm3.8v4 libmp4v2-2 libnjb5 libqt5concurrent5 libraw9 librsync1 libscim8c2a libwayland-dev min12xxw pnm2ppa powermanagement-interface pxljr python-gst-1.0 python-pylibacl python-pyxattr qt4-tqt-theme-engine qt5-qmake qtbase5-dev-tools rdesktop rdiff-backup scim-bridge-client-qt scim-im-agent scim-modules-socket screen speedcrunch splix strigi-daemon synaptic-trinity tqca-tls ttf-arabeyes ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming ttf-lao ttf-malayalam-fonts ttf-thai-tlwg ttf-unfonts-core Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: fotoxx gimp-gmic gir1.2-clutter-gst-1.0 gir1.2-clutter-gst-2.0 gir1.2-gtkclutter-1.0 kubuntu-desktop-trinity libchamplain-0.12-0 libchamplain-gtk-0.12-0 libclutter-gst-1.0-0 libxatracker2 luminance-hdr pitivi protonmail-bridge xorg xserver-xorg-video-vmware 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 15 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 33.1 MB disk space will be freed. see the problem? among other things, i believe that xorg is crucial to full enjoyment of the tde experience. dep Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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[trinity-users] more re. tde and qt5
by dep 28 Apr '18

28 Apr '18

Per Felix Miata: |Maybe if we saw your sources.list we might be able to suggest a reason. I just |booted 14.04.5 (with DE KDE only) and updated sources. Subsequently, aptitude |was unable to locate protonmail*. # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 14.04.1 LTS _Trusty Tahr_ - Release amd64 (20120820.1)]/ dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/ # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 14.04.1 LTS _Trusty Tahr_ - Release amd64 (20120820.1)]/ dists/trusty/restricted/binary-i386/ # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 14.04.1 LTS _Trusty Tahr_ - Release amd64 (20120820.1)]/ trusty main restricted # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to # newer versions of the distribution. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty main restricted deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty main restricted ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the ## distribution. ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty universe deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty universe ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu ## security team. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty multiverse deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty multiverse ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's ## 'partner' repository. ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users. # deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu trusty partner # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu trusty partner ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by third-party ## developers who want to ship their latest software. deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main ## Trinity Desktop Environment deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/ubuntu trusty main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-r14.0.0/ubuntu trusty main deb http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/ubun… trusty main deb-src http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity/trinity-builddeps-r14.0.0/ubun… trusty main ## DVD styler deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/dvdstyler-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu trusty main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/dvdstyler-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu trusty main deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian trusty contrib deb-src http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian trusty contrib deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security main multiverse restricted universe deb https://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org trusty main # deb-src https://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org trusty main |Maybe what you need is to let go of 14.04. What does it have that you can't have |from 16.04 LTS, Jessie or Stretch, from which you should expect less trouble |with QT4 or QT5 issues? when i upgraded from 12.04 LTS to 14.04, i asked here if there were a problem with 16.04 and was told that there was a problem with 16.04 and TDE. has this gotten better? i'd be very happy to make the upgrade! |What source provides protonmail? the protonmail service is from protonmail.com, and the protonmail bridge, which is what i'm trying to install, is an encryption/decryption application that allows protonmail to work with a normal mail client. while it has existed for windows and mac for some time, it is in beta for linux, and this is what i'm trying to install. https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/bridge-for-linux/ dep Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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[trinity-users] more re. tde and qt5
by dep 28 Apr '18

28 Apr '18

the dependencies for the deb are: qt5-default, libqt5designer5, libqt5multimediawidgets5, libqt5quickwidgets5, libpulse-mainloop-glib0, libsecret-1-0, gnome-keyring, ttf-dejavu dep Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. Because privacy matters.

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more re. tde and qt5
by dep 28 Apr '18

28 Apr '18

as i dig deeper inti this, i see that the qt5 packages on which the protonmail bridge depends themselves depend on wayland. is there a qt5 that doesn't need wayland? that itself could be the issue.

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