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Re: Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

> On Saturday 16 January 2021 09:46:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost the "Delete" > > funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click on at file on a FAT32 > > usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up with the "Delete" entry > > greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently des not delete the file nor > > move it to the thrashcan. Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>" deletes the file. > > > > Does somebody else see this, too? > > > > Nik > > I just upgraded a couple days ago, and I don't have that problem. Everything > works the same as before. > > The problem, however, may reside in the flash drive itself, and the fat32 > filesystem. I've had problems with both flash drives and SD cards: sometimes > they mount and behave normally, sometimes not. Do you have the delete > function when you are using Konqueror with non-fat drives, such as your other > hard drives? > > You might dig up your konquerorrc file, where the delete function can be set > or unset. You might be able to override other changes by changing that file. > > Bill > ____________________________________________________ I need to use fat32 because I still have some itsinks clients (thankfully that's fading) Stock formatted usb and SD cards do exhibit problems like that in general. That's why I always format them with linux before use. I never have a problem after that. NTFS, when I have to use that crap, sometimes will. HFS doesn't give me much of a problem, less than NTFS more than fat32. Try clean formatting the drives before use and make use you chown to your user just in case. Kate

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Re: Konqueror & FAT32 --> system:/media/ is to blame
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

> Anno domini 2021 Sun, 17 Jan 13:52:12 -0500 > BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit: > > On Sunday 17 January 2021, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Hi all! > > > > > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 19:41:35 -0800 > > > > > > William Morder via tde-users scripsit: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > The problem is that Linux systems in general seem to have a problem > > > > sometimes with mounting a flash drive or SD card, but only after they > > > > have been used in another device, such as a smartphone or a non-Linux > > > > system. > > > > > > > > I put a large music collection on a new SD card, for listening while I am > > > > outdoors walking, but when I went to change some of the items, now I find > > > > that my Linux system refuses to mount the drive. The same has happened > > > > with fat32 flash drives. > > > > > > > > This does not happen with other hard drives, such as an external hard > > > > drive that is formatted NTFS; only with fat32 flash drives or (I forget > > > > the filesystem here) SD cards. > > > > > > > > Also I believe that smartphones can really mess up the data on SD cards, > > > > as I had a lot of weirdness there. For example: a folder for one artist > > > > was instead filled with music from an entirely different artist. This > > > > could not have been a mistake on my part, as I have the originals, all > > > > tidy and organized, and the contents of the flash drive were first > > > > organized on a folder that resides in my desktop computer. Thus all I > > > > need to do is copy the contents of that folder to my SD card. > > > > > > > > It is only when I tried to copy the contents of that SD card to another > > > > location, then suddenly everything got messed up. > > > > > > > > So I believe that Kate might be onto something there, that formatting > > > > with Linux first could eliminate some of that mess. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > Web mail archive available at > > > > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydes > > > >ktop.org > > > > > > Looks like this is complints about FAT32 are not the cause of my > > > observations. Please see the attached screenshot: upper half of windows > > > uses system:/media/sdb and shows the describes malfuncions (i.e.: <del> not > > > working, no autorefresh), the lower half shows the very device but where > > > it's mounted in the filesystem as /media/toshiba and there it works as > > > expected (i.e.: <del> working and autorefresh working). > > > > > > So this is definitly a TDE problem. Is there a way to get rid of > > > "system:/media/" and just use the real mountpoint instead? > > > > > > Nik > > > > Ok I just checked out all the media* options and delete appears in all of > > them. What distro are you using. Try using a live CD and see what happens. > > Which mount helper do you use? I have udisks2 here. I think I did not see that problem when I had pmount (but that had a different set of problems which I dislike more than that missing <del>. > > Nik > > > I don't have pmount installed. I've attached a img of all the "mount" related items I have installed. Kate

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Re: Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

> On Saturday 16 January 2021 11:19:51 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 09:46:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost the > > > > "Delete" funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click on at file > > > > on a FAT32 usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up with the > > > > "Delete" entry greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently des not > > > > delete the file nor move it to the thrashcan. Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>" > > > > deletes the file. > > > > > > > > Does somebody else see this, too? > > > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > I just upgraded a couple days ago, and I don't have that problem. > > > Everything works the same as before. > > > > > > The problem, however, may reside in the flash drive itself, and the fat32 > > > filesystem. I've had problems with both flash drives and SD cards: > > > sometimes they mount and behave normally, sometimes not. Do you have the > > > delete function when you are using Konqueror with non-fat drives, such as > > > your > > > > other > > > > > hard drives? > > > > > > You might dig up your konquerorrc file, where the delete function can be > > > set or unset. You might be able to override other changes by changing > > > that file. > > > > > > Bill > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > I need to use fat32 because I still have some itsinks clients (thankfully > > that's fading) > > > > Stock formatted usb and SD cards do exhibit problems like that in general. > > That's why I always format them with linux before use. I never have a > > problem after that. > > > > NTFS, when I have to use that crap, sometimes will. HFS doesn't give me > > much of a problem, less than NTFS more than fat32. > > > > Try clean formatting the drives before use and make use you chown to your > > user just in case. > > > > Kate > > Except ... maybe users need to use those items with other devices that do not > read Linux filesystems? e.g., SD cards in smartphones, or flash drives to be > used with other computers. Maybe, the unfortunate user is forced by job or > circumstances to take those flash drives or SD cards and use them on > [*SHUDDER of horror*] Windozes or Rotten Apples? In such cases, fat32 is read > by all of them; ext3 or ext4, not. > > 'Twould be nice if Linux could handle fat32 sometimes without having to format > it to a Linux filesystem. > > :-/ > > Bill You misunderstood. Format the drives, using linux, TO fat32. They will work on windows and apple [*SHUDDER of horror*] etc. It's just that linux does a "clean" format with no empty spaces or oddities. Kate

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Re: [users] Mailing list etiquette [meta] top posting? [Correction]
by J Leslie Turriff 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

On 2021-01-16 22:00:56 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote: > On 2021/01/17 12:28 PM, William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > How about we just dispense with top posting altogether? > > I was about to ask the same question. > What are the advantages of bottom posting? I can't fiugre them out to be > honest. I use top posting daily everywhere other than TDE and I always find > annoying having to scroll down to read a post in TDE. If there is a clear > benefit for bottom posting, I will understand. But currently I am > struggling to see the point of it. > > Cheers > Michele Oops! My first message had instructions for setting a global template. To set a folder-specific template, do this: If one is using kmail, one can create a custom template for the TDE mailing lists so that all posts going there default to bottom-posting. Right-click on the folder and select Properties. Click on the Templates tab. Click on Reply to All / Reply to List; type the following: | %REM="Reply to TDE Lists template"%- | On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote: | %QUOTE | %CURSOR | | <Your Name> | -- Click on Reply to Sender and repeat. (Replace trailing EN if desired with a different language code, and <Your Name> as appropriate.) Leslie --

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Mailing list etiquette [meta] [was Re: Re: Konqueror & FAT32]
by Steven D'Aprano 17 Jan '21

17 Jan '21

Just a gentle reminder about bottom-quoting without trimming, which combines all the disadvantages of top-posting with none of the advantages. The message I replied to included *nine* levels of quoting, approximately 200 lines worth, followed by a single response at the very end. I had to page through six screens to get to the author's comment. Please everyone, remember to trim your quoting to managable levels, and to use inline posting between paragraphs. (Some people call that "bottom posting" as you respond at the bottom of each paragraph, but that term is more correctly used for adding your own text at the very bottom of the entire quoted message. Which is worse for the reader than top-posting.) (I've done my best to remove any threading information from this email, as I don't want to point the finger at any specific person.) -- Steve

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Re: Boot times [OT] Way OT.
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 07:19:08PM -0500, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > Big Daddy's initial install is about 10 or less GBs. > > Who or what is Big Daddy? > > > It's likely the differences you're seeing are do to some form of > > customization? It may be the faster one has some kind of boot > > streamlining. > > Time for boot up (power on to appearance of the wall paper where you can > click to get a login prompt) is about the same on both machines. > > It's the login itself which is wildly different: virtually instantaneous > on one machine, long enough for me to make a coffee on the other. > > > If so I'd like to know. Could be handy. > > > > Investigate, the collect requires this information! > > I doubt I will be able to do much investigation, they are work machines, > I have limited access to them (no more than two days per week) and > neither the time nor inclination to spend hours dissecting the fine > details of their configurations. > > But if I do happen to find out anything useful, I'll let you know. > > > -- > Steve > ____________________________________________________ Big Daddy PCLOS http://trinity.mypclinuxos.com/ This is Alistair Izzard's Trinity Desktop roll of PC Linux OS It's a great distro, give it a go. The diff in login could be a matter of security. One may have more steps. So it's likely not related to the machine or OS. Any info would be useful. I, sadly, know a few windows users. Yes, I know, I shouldn't be associating with those kind of people. Still they are good people. Kate

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Boot times [OT] Way OT.
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 04:49:13PM -0500, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > PS 30 secs or less on mine as well. Interesting thing, a mate demanded a side > > by side (well using the same computer, mine) of win10 boot up vs Ali's roll > > of PCLOS aka Big Daddy. BD booted, in less then 30s, to desktop where it took > > win10 an entire 2.4 mins average to boot to desktop. It also took up massive > > amounts of initial storage space. He's now only using win10 for gaming. He's > > now "one of us!" > > (Aside: depending on how you are comparing storage requirements, some of > that space may be a complete full backup of the Windows install.) > > Windows boot and login times are weird. I work part-time for two > companies that both provide me with a Win10 PC to use. One of them boots > up in about a minute, and logs on instantly. The other also boots up in > about a minute, but takes about three minutes to log in, and even then > there's obviously still stuff going on in the background because > performance is pretty horrible for another two or three minutes. > > The two machines are roughly equivalent in hardware specs, and once the > second one settles down, performance is more or less the same as the > first. > > > -- > Steve > ____________________________________________________ Hi Steve, I can understand the differences. This comparison didn't allow for a win10 install backup. This was purely just the OS and we removed all background nonesense, disable all unneeded services, disable updates (the comparison was done with and without updates, no real dif). We used a custom install (and stock). Stock was almost 32GBs. We were able to reduce it to about 21GBs. Big Daddy's initial install is about 10 or less GBs. Fully loaded or what I can the insane package install is 48.6GBs. The test was done on an i9 18 core Intel with 256 gigs of ram, 1300 watt PS, Seagate 1TB Barracuda Pro SSD. We disconnected all hard drives save for the OS/boot drive. The best boot to desktop time we were able to get was 2 mins some odd secs with minimal background items loading. Just what was needed. Best for Big Daddy was 28 secs average. With LOTS extra of stuff loading. We tried to give win10 all the chances in the world. It's likely the differences you're seeing are do to some form of customization? It may be the faster one has some kind of boot streamlining. If so I'd like to know. Could be handy. Investigate, the collect requires this information! Thanks for the info. Cheers, Kate

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Keyboard shortcut for single app cycling?
by Michael 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

What’s the key combination (like ALT-TAB) for cycling just through the instances of the in focus application? ALT-TAB cycles through all applications, CTRL-TAB cycles through desktops, and I just randomly hit a combination that only showed one application’s windows (Pale Moon) but can’t re-create what I hit. Thanks, Michael

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Re: Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

> Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 16:17:10 -0500 > BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit: > > > As usual, the moment you press "send" you find the solution :) > > > > > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 21:46:46 +0100 > > > Dr. Nikolaus Klepp scripsit: > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 16 Jan 14:57:00 -0500 > > > > BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit: > > > > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 11:19:51 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > > > > On Saturday 16 January 2021 09:46:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just found that after my latest updates to 14.0.10 I lost the > > > > > > > > > "Delete" funtionality in konqueror. When I do a right click on > > at file > > > > > > > > > on a FAT32 usb thumbdrive, then the context menu pops up with > > the > > > > > > > > > "Delete" entry greyed out. Pressing "<DEL>"-key consequently des > > not > > > > > > > > > delete the file nor move it to the thrashcan. > > Pressing "<shift>+<DEL>" > > > > > > > > > deletes the file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does somebody else see this, too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just upgraded a couple days ago, and I don't have that problem. > > > > > > > > Everything works the same as before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem, however, may reside in the flash drive itself, and > > the > > > > > fat32 > > > > > > > > filesystem. I've had problems with both flash drives and SD cards: > > > > > > > > sometimes they mount and behave normally, sometimes not. Do you > > have the > > > > > > > > delete function when you are using Konqueror with non-fat drives, > > such > > > > > as > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard drives? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might dig up your konquerorrc file, where the delete function > > can be > > > > > > > > set or unset. You might be able to override other changes by > > changing > > > > > > > > that file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need to use fat32 because I still have some itsinks clients > > (thankfully > > > > > > > that's fading) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stock formatted usb and SD cards do exhibit problems like that in > > general. > > > > > > > That's why I always format them with linux before use. I never have > > a > > > > > > > problem after that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NTFS, when I have to use that crap, sometimes will. HFS doesn't give > > me > > > > > > > much of a problem, less than NTFS more than fat32. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try clean formatting the drives before use and make use you chown to > > your > > > > > > > user just in case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > > > > > > > > Except ... maybe users need to use those items with other devices that > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > read Linux filesystems? e.g., SD cards in smartphones, or flash drives > > to be > > > > > > used with other computers. Maybe, the unfortunate user is forced by > > job or > > > > > > circumstances to take those flash drives or SD cards and use them on > > > > > > [*SHUDDER of horror*] Windozes or Rotten Apples? In such cases, fat32 > > is > > > > > read > > > > > > by all of them; ext3 or ext4, not. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Twould be nice if Linux could handle fat32 sometimes without having > > to > > > > > format > > > > > > it to a Linux filesystem. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > You misunderstood. Format the drives, using linux, TO fat32. They will > > work on > > > > > windows and apple [*SHUDDER of horror*] etc. It's just that linux does > > > > > a "clean" format with no empty spaces or oddities. > > > > > > > > > > Kate > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > > tde-users mailing list -- users(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)trinitydesktop.org > > > > > Web mail archive available at > > https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to say, neither does work. I tried it as "superdisk" or with one > > partion, the result is the same - "Move to trash" is greyed out and <DEL> > > does not work (<shift>+<DEL> does work). > > > > > > > > I tried ext4, too, with the very same behaviour, so it's not filesystem > > specific. File creation works without problems. > > > > > > > > What's also strange: the konqeror is not notified about changes on that > > filesystem, e.g. if I create a new file it is not visible in konqueror till I > > press "F5". > > > > > > > > Oh, I have "udisks2" as helper. > > > > > > > > > Ok, in konqueror settings, tab "behaviour" --> "show delete entry (no > > trash)". if this is checked, I get a "Delete" entry in the context menu. This > > still does not enable "<del>"-key, but for the "usual" user it's ok. > > > > > > Interestingly I cannot identify the corresponding setting > > in .trinity/share/config/konquerorrc > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing > > with the NSA, CIA ... > > > ____________________________________________________ > > " What's also strange: the konqeror is not notified about changes on that > > filesystem, e.g. if I create a new file it is not visible in konqueror till I > > press "F5"." > > > > When is the last time you rebooted X or the entire computer? > > I'd reboot the computer. The F5 thing happens after a large update (at least > > in my exp). Try a reboot. > > I power it off when not used and turn it on when I need it (bootime <30sec), so it' up just some hours. > > Nik > > > > > Kate > > ____________________________________________________ Rats. Did you try root and a freshly made user to see if it still does it? Also, do you have another machine? Try it on there. Kate PS 30 secs or less on mine as well. Interesting thing, a mate demanded a side by side (well using the same computer, mine) of win10 boot up vs Ali's roll of PCLOS aka Big Daddy. BD booted, in less then 30s, to desktop where it took win10 an entire 2.4 mins average to boot to desktop. It also took up massive amounts of initial storage space. He's now only using win10 for gaming. He's now "one of us!"

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Re: [users] Konqueror & FAT32
by BorgLabs - Kate Draven 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

> On 2021-01-16 15:17:10 BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: > > > Ok, in konqueror settings, tab "behaviour" --> "show delete entry (no > > > > trash)". if this is checked, I get a "Delete" entry in the context menu. > > This still does not enable "<del>"-key, but for the "usual" user it's ok. > > If you like, you can also add a Delete button to Konqueror's Main toolbar. > > Leslie > -- > Oh that is definitely a good idea. I have that as well. Well spotted Leslie. Can't believe I didn't think to suggest it. I'm tired lol. Kate

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