[sorry if the below has messed-up formatting; I sent it a few days
ago, but apparently the list software rejected it — without even so
much as a bounce :-( — b/c I was not yet a subscriber to the list]
Hello folks.
First off: I _love_ TDE for keeping KDE 3.x alive. ;-)
Recently, the alt-tab behavior on one of my GNU/Linux boxes has been
driving me nuts: when I press alt-tab, the switcher only shows other
windows that are on the *_same screen_* as the one that was
active/current/front at the time I pressed alt-tab. With windows
spread across two screens, this is _very_ annoying. I tried to find a
way to configure this, but I did not find one. [EDIT: please read all
the way to the bottom of this e-mail for additional details that I
found while writing this email but _way_ after writing _this_
paragraph up to the "EDIT" marker.]
Current setup on the machine in question: Debian 7.11, TDE 3.5.13.2,
one video card installed, nVidia PCI-Express video card with 4 heads
possible [only 2 in use], GPU seems to be an "NVS 510", nVidia
proprietary driver 450.57; two monitors, both "technically" 1600x1200
["technically" b/c one of them is "rotated", so it "looks like"
1200x1600], only 1 desktop, and Xinerama & RandR are both off
according to "/var/log/Xorg.0.log". The motherboard has a VGA port on
it, but I must have disabled the relevant on-board chip in the BIOS
settings [or did the BIOS disable that chip by itself based on the
fact that I have a video card installed and selected as "primary"?]
since it`s not showing up in "lspci"`s output.
From the "NVIDIA X Server Settings" program:
* Server Version Number: 11.0
* Server Vendor String: The X.Org Foundation
* Server Vendor Version: 1.12.4 (11204000)
* NV-CONTROL Version: 1.29
* Screens: 1
From "lspci -v":
09:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0ffd
(rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0967
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 27
Memory at c2000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
Memory at b0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M]
I/O ports at 1000 [size=128]
[virtual] Expansion ROM at 000c0000 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [b4] Vendor Specific Information: Len=14 <?>
Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting <?>
Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1
Len=024 <?>
Kernel driver in use: nvidia
Other "trivia": 4.13.16 self-configured kernel. PS/2 keyboard and
"mouse" [trackball, really ;-)].
"Stop the presses!" ;-) : look what I found in my
"~/.trinity/share/config/kwinrc" while searching through
"~/.trinity/":
[TabBox]
TraverseAll=false
... however, when I edited that to "TraverseAll=true" and logged out
and then back in [to TDE], alt-tab _still_ behaved as before. :-( I
checked that the edit wasn`t overwritten, and it wasn`t.
Also found in the same file, in the "[Windows]" section:
AltTabStyle=KDE
Should I be messing with _that_ somehow?
Also: how/where should I find these settings in a GUI context?
They don`t seem to be available in KControl. OK, hold on... I think I
found them, in "Desktop"::"Window Behavior"::"Focus", under the
section heading "Navigation". I tried turning "Traverse windows on
all desktops" off, hitting "Apply", then turning it back on again and
"Apply" again, but it did _not_ seem to help. :-(
"The plot _thickens_!" When I switch off "Show window list while
switching windows" [in "Desktop"::"Window Behavior"::"Focus",
under the section heading "Navigation"], I get the following changes:
* my "~/.trinity/share/config/kwinrc" now has "AltTabStyle=CDE"
instead of "AltTabStyle=KDE"
* alt-tab _does_ traverse windows on both screens -- but, of course,
does not show visual feedback for the switcher
I searched for something relevant in the Bugzilla, but I found nothing
that was an exact match. I _did_ find the following, which I`m
including here... #1, for "completeness", and #2, to _prove_ that I
really _did_ search the Bugzilla before emailing to the list. ;-)
* https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1787
* " Include minimized system tray apps in Alt+Tab switching"
How can I [at least try to] solve this problem? I _want_ the
KDE-style switcher [with visual feedback], not the CDE-style "silent"
and/or "invisible" one, but I _also_ want _all_ windows [or at least
as many as possible, given bug #1787] from _all_ screens to be
included in the switcher`s list and keyboard-selection choices.
Suggestions, anybody?
Regards,
Abe
> BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
>
> > I get this msg too. I use Android File Transfer and, sometimes, gmtp.
> > Konq was better but suddenly stopped working. For now, the above should
> > help.
> >
> > Kate
>
> I also think it was working before.
> Kate, what version of TDE are you using?
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
R14.0.8
I was wondering if someone who has Image Magick installed and is
running a newer TDE than 14.0.5 would do an experiment for me...
If you create a PNG file (say, a.png) with ksnapshot, what does
identify -units PixelsPerInch -format '%x,%y\n' a.png
output?
Thanks.
Jim
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 10:59:24PM +0100, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
>
> > And regarding unsubscribing - everybody is free to subscribe and
> > unsubscribe. There is no need to put it on the wall.
>
> How will we know how many potential TDE users we are driving away if
> they don't tell us?
>
>
> > And what does working at the university has to do with the TDE user list,
I
> > also do not understand.
>
> The context was being told that this mailing list is like having a job:
> it's about the social chit-chat. (That doesn't sound much like the jobs
> I've had. I guess some people are lucky enough to get paid to stand
> around the water-cooler and gossip all day long, but most people have to
> actually work.)
>
>
> > @Janek - free your mind and enjoy the "stupidity" of day-to-day life.
>
> You know nothing about Janek, and you're telling him how he needs to fix
> his life? Astonishing. I'm offended and that wasn't even aimed at me.
>
>
> > The thing I enjoy more are the life stories of people I
> > know.
>
> If you like that, you will LOVE Facebook and Twitter and other social
> media.
>
>
> --
> Steve
> ____________________________________________________
OK ENOUGH. It's over.
This thread is dead.
I'm sorry I ever brought it up.
I can't believe the snowflakery.
It's over. Enough.
Kate
> Anno domini 2020 Wed, 28 Oct 22:05:50 -0400
> BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
> > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 10:59:24PM +0100, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
> > >
> > > > And regarding unsubscribing - everybody is free to subscribe and
> > > > unsubscribe. There is no need to put it on the wall.
> > >
> > > How will we know how many potential TDE users we are driving away if
> > > they don't tell us?
> > >
> > >
> > > > And what does working at the university has to do with the TDE user
list,
> > I
> > > > also do not understand.
> > >
> > > The context was being told that this mailing list is like having a job:
> > > it's about the social chit-chat. (That doesn't sound much like the jobs
> > > I've had. I guess some people are lucky enough to get paid to stand
> > > around the water-cooler and gossip all day long, but most people have to
> > > actually work.)
> > >
> > >
> > > > @Janek - free your mind and enjoy the "stupidity" of day-to-day life.
> > >
> > > You know nothing about Janek, and you're telling him how he needs to fix
> > > his life? Astonishing. I'm offended and that wasn't even aimed at me.
> > >
> > >
> > > > The thing I enjoy more are the life stories of people I
> > > > know.
> > >
> > > If you like that, you will LOVE Facebook and Twitter and other social
> > > media.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steve
> > > ____________________________________________________
> > OK ENOUGH. It's over.
> >
> > This thread is dead.
> >
> > I'm sorry I ever brought it up.
> >
> > I can't believe the snowflakery.
> >
> > It's over. Enough.
>
> Na, sombody has to mention kittens. No thread is dead wthout kitens. So I'd
suggest we fork the TDE potatatoman, give him a kitten face and ... oh,
where's my cofee?
>
You're lovely Doc.
Kate
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:10:41 +0100
> deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > William Morder via tde-users wrote:
> >=20
> > > Also, do you have developer options enabled? and/or Did you root your
> > > phone?
> >=20
> > I use Sailfish OS - after using debian based Nokia N9, I could not become=
> a
> > friend of Android and adopted the evolution of the meego called mer - but
> > it is the same in the background (I mean they use the android kernel by
> > Sony AOSP and put the Sailfish OS on top. There are also many community
> > ports for various makes and models)
> >=20
> > What is bothering me is this:
> >=20
> > [Wed Oct 28 09:26:39 2020] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
> > [Wed Oct 28 09:26:40 2020] usb 2-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 21
> > [Wed Oct 28 09:26:42 2020] usb 2-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 22
> > using ehci-pci
> >=20
> > It recognizes as removable this but then it says disconnect 21 and new
> > high-spped blah blah 22.
> >=20
> > May be I ask in Debian User
>
> I assume you've already seen https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
>
> Might be something useful here:
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Media_Transfer_Protocol
>
> or here:
>
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MTP
>
> If those are no help, I would agree that it's better to ask through the Deb=
> ian
> channels=E2=80=94this is a general non-TDE Linux question, so few of us are=
> going to
> be at all knowledgeable.
>
> E. Liddell
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks Liddell
I'm going to experiment after reading it through a few times.
Cheers,
Kate
Hi,
I am sure it was discussed here in the past, but I could not find it.
I attach the phone to USB and select MTP (file transfer), It shows up as
camera in konqueror and I can not copy files to the device "Creating
folders is not supported with protocol camera.".
kernel is 4.19.149 if it matters. In dmesg it says "Attached scsi generic
sg2 type 0" but after this "Power-on or device reset occurred" and "USB
disconnect, device number 21":
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:38 2020] usb-storage 2-1.3:1.0: USB Mass Storage device
detected
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:38 2020] scsi host6: usb-storage 2-1.3:1.0
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:39 2020] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access Linux File-CD
Gadget 0310 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:39 2020] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:39 2020] sd 6:0:0:0: Power-on or device reset occurred
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:39 2020] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:40 2020] usb 2-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 21
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:42 2020] usb 2-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 22
using ehci-pci
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:42 2020] usb 2-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=05c6,
idProduct=0a07, bcdDevice= 3.10
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:42 2020] usb 2-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1,
Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:42 2020] usb 2-1.3: Product: Xperia X
[Wed Oct 28 09:26:42 2020] usb 2-1.3: Manufacturer: Sony
Do you have any idea? I am sure it was working before, but I do not know
when ... might be long time ago as I usually copy from the device to the
PC.
thanks
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> On Wednesday 28 October 2020 14:37:40 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Anno domini 2020 Wed, 28 Oct 17:30:24 -0400
> >
> > BorgLabs - Kate Draven scripsit:
> > > > BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote:
> > > > > I get this msg too. I use Android File Transfer and, sometimes,
gmtp.
> > > > > Konq was better but suddenly stopped working. For now, the above
> > > > > should help.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kate
> > > >
> > > > I also think it was working before.
> > > > Kate, what version of TDE are you using?
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > R14.0.8
> >
> > Could it be that it's not necessarily the TDE version that is causing
> > problems but the smartphone? I've never managed to get MTP working on my
> > testobject "Samsung Note II + LinageOS".
> >
> > nik
>
> A couple years ago, I had to use a smartphone for work; I only recall that
it
> was a Samsung, I forget what model. Anyway, just connected it to the USB
port
> of my desktop (running TDE), and it worked, just like an external hard
drive,
> no mess, no fuss.
>
> My newer smartphone (another Samsung, somewhere I have the model) doesn't
work
> like that at all.
>
> I just looked through developer options, and I notice that under USB
> configuration I have several options: charging, MTP, PTP, RNDIS (USB
> Ethernet), audio source and MIDI. I wonder if RNDIS could be used?
>
> Also, do you have developer options enabled? and/or Did you root your phone?
>
> Bill
> ____________________________________________________
I have dev options enabled I did not root the phone.
USB Mass storage was removed a long time ago by google. They claim the other
ftps are better. They just removed it because it's easier to track data
transfers on MS and Apple that way.
I had an LG phone with USB MS and it never had a problem. Until it was run
over by a pickup truck. It didn't work well after that. 0_o
Kate
> On Wednesday 28 October 2020 17:59:24 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
>
> > @Janek - free your mind and enjoy the "stupidity" of day-to-day life.
> > I think no one here uses facebook or similar. Sometimes I have the
> > feeling I am of the younger generation being 47.
>
> You sir, compared to me, are. About 2 generations. :) But you have a rare
> attribute, a goodly dose of common sense.
>
> > You can enjoy and relax - it is much better than Netflix or whatever
> > story you find out there. The thing I enjoy more are the life stories
> > of people I know. I was considering extracting all the personal
> > postings of Gene and putting them together for his next birthday, but
> > I never have time for that :D.
>
> Thank your favorite $Deity.
>
> > It is a great story he has to tell and
> > I am thankful that no moderator censored that.
>
> Thanks for the flowers, but the net in general hasn't heard more than 5%
> of my BTDT's. If I live long enough you'll probably read more. They
> are the education of Gene, who in the official record has an 8th grade
> education dated in the 1940's. 3rd time married 31 years in about a
> month, to a lady thats about done now, and has a B of A in music
> education, she wanted me to at least get a GED so I took it about 25
> years ago. Didn't hear by the time I should have, so since the test
> givers $DayJob was at the P.O. I went in to check on it, and his
> question to me was "Why are you worried about it, you were just doing it
> for the exercise, weren't you?" I had to say yes. I did get it about a
> week later. I also have a degree from the University of Hard Knocks. One
> of the rules for that is that you can say you've made it on a high
> school education or less. More disqualifies you. And your claim to have
> made it must be proved by a $100 donation to the student loan fund at
> Alderson-Broaddus University in Philippi WV where Dee got her Music
> diploma from. And of coarse $35 a head for the graduation dinner and
> dance.
>
> I quit school in '48 to go fix what were then these new-fangled things
> called "tv's". There's a hell of a lot of history between then and now.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
> - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
> ____________________________________________________
Cool...
Kate
> Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
>
> > I think that if this was a brand new group, not just a migration from
> > one list to another, we could be a bit stricter about off-topic emails.
> > But it's a small community, with not many regular participants. There is
> > a lot of institutional knowledge held by the regulars and if the cost of
> > keeping them around is to put up with a bit of off-topic discussion and
> > their inability to trim pages and pages of quoted text onto the eighth
> > or tenth generation "> > > > > > > > > > blah blah blah" then so be it.
>
> I also enjoy the OT freedom here and in other groups for the simple reason
> that discussing with people that have same interest feels better.
>
> I usually read the headlines and follow the topic until I get bored - this
> may happend by the 10th reply by Gene :D. When I don't have time or I am
> not interested I just ignore and mark as read.
> There is also no way to enforce rules besides the rules that are
> established.
>
> And regarding unsubscribing - everybody is free to subscribe and
> unsubscribe. There is no need to put it on the wall.
>
> And what does working at the university has to do with the TDE user list, I
> also do not understand.
> I am honestly thankful that I do not work at a university - don't understand
> me wrong I have two degrees and most of my friends have also a degree but
> in the past 20+some years universities degraded to below zero in some
> extent.
>
> @Janek - free your mind and enjoy the "stupidity" of day-to-day life. I
> think no one here uses facebook or similar. Sometimes I have the feeling I
> am of the younger generation being 47.
> You can enjoy and relax - it is much better than Netflix or whatever story
> you find out there. The thing I enjoy more are the life stories of people I
> know. I was considering extracting all the personal postings of Gene and
> putting them together for his next birthday, but I never have time for
> that :D. It is a great story he has to tell and I am thankful that no
> moderator censored that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Steven D'Aprano
+1
I enjoy the stories and ramblings.
I do see the need for an OT ML for this.
That said, ramble on.
Kate
