said Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:
|The point of protinmail - as I see it - was an email address, that could not be associated
| with a real person. But protonmail changed the initial user authentication to require a
| handy or some other identifyable device, so the main purpose is gone.
not necessarily. while two-factor authentication is offered, it is not required.
|But what I miss in kamil+PGPG is an encrypted mail-subject, e.g "Subject: [trinity-users]
| Re: more re. tde and qt5" beeing replaced by a random string, which gets replaced on the
| receiver side with an embedded subject from within the encrypted mail. Reason is, that a
| lot of users use a subject that tells a lot about the mail content, at least enough to let it be
| sorted in "interesting" or "junk".
that's the point, and why setting it up to work with kmail requires an intervening application, the protonmail bridge. normally one would use the protonmail web interface -- essentially webmail -- which is entirely encrypted, or a special application that seems to be little more than a one-site secure browser connected to the protonmail site. (for linux: https://github.com/protonmail-desktop/application)
but to use it with kmail or another mail client one needs to employ the bridge application, which encrypts before sending and decrypts upon receipt, on which a regular mail client can be hitched. (details here:https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/third-party-email-client…)
in each case, as i understand it absolutely everything is encrypted: subject, sender, recipient, the works.
the advantage to two-factor encryption in the service is of course added security should someone learn or guess your password but also the service's claim that with two-factor authentication not even the owners of protonmail can read your mail.
i should mention that they offer a free version, which gives you a protonmail.com email address and limits your storage to 500 mb and each user to 150 email messages per day. though some features -- using your own domain, use of protonmail bridge -- are restricted to paid accounts, the cheapest of which is € 48.00 per year.
and i think i've carried the forum terribly off-topic. i am not, btw, a protonmail salesman!
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asked Gene Heskett:
|Silly Q: do they do mailing lists?
i don't think so, but i don't know with certainty.
|And how much per annum do they want for a paid service?
i'm paying $48/year, but that's because i wanted to bring a domain (drippingwithirony.com) along. they have more expensive services, typically i'd guess for businesses.
it's worth knowing that end-to-end encryption requires the person on the other end to be a protonmail user as well. for anyone else, they encrypt it from desktop to them, and on their servers. they're in switzerland, which has pretty stringent privacy laws. they also offer a vpn, which i'm considering, though the fast ones are substantially more than their mail service.
though for now i'm content to get protonmail bridge installed and playing nicely with kmail.
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said Gene Heskett:
|There is no competing ISP available in your neck of the woods? And do
|those posts normally subjectable to copyright carry the notice that they
|are?
alas, no, frontier dsl is the only game in my neck of -- literally -- the woods. there's not even cellular service here, though at home i can get tmobile cell over ip. as to copyright, that's not the issue. people i'm writing about and who are giving me information sometimes communicate via email and they would like that communication to be confidential.
frontier has always farmed its email service out to yahoo, which is frightening enough. but last year the email part of the rotting remains of yahoo was bought up by a consortium of what's left of aol and verizon to create something called "oath." last week they sent new terms of use, in part:
-- We’ve updated how we collect and use data. We’ve updated some of the ways we collect and analyze user data in order to deliver services, content, and relevant advertising to you and protect against abuse. This includes:
--Analyzing content and information (including emails, instant messages, posts, photos, attachments, and other communications) when you use our services. This allows us to deliver, personalize and develop relevant features, content, advertising and services
-- Linking your activity on third-party sites and apps with information we have about you
Providing anonymized and aggregated reports to other parties regarding user trends
-- We’ve joined Verizon. By joining Verizon, Oath and its affiliates may share the information we receive among Verizon. Learn more about Verizon’s privacy practices.
dont you just love that "protect against abuse" part? that's the same company that managed to let the information on a *billion* users get loose not long ago. no, thanks.
so protonmail is essential. making it work with kmail is to cause my life to be nicer.
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per Nick Koretsky:
| none of this conflicts with trinity on debian. Either ubuntu pacakges are
| broken or you installed some libs from ppas and now have version conflicts.
| Start aptitude in interactive mode and look for what exactly brakes when
| you add this packages.
here's what happens when i try to install protonmail-bridge:
Selecting previously unselected package protonmail-bridge.
(Reading database ... 1534488 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../protonmail-bridge_1.0.3-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking protonmail-bridge (1.0.3-1) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of protonmail-bridge:
protonmail-bridge depends on qt5-default; however:
Package qt5-default is not installed.
protonmail-bridge depends on libqt5designer5; however:
Package libqt5designer5 is not installed.
protonmail-bridge depends on libqt5multimediawidgets5; however:
Package libqt5multimediawidgets5 is not installed.
protonmail-bridge depends on libqt5quickwidgets5; however:
Package libqt5quickwidgets5 is not installed.
dpkg: error processing package protonmail-bridge (--install):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.10.1-0ubuntu2) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.22-1ubuntu1.1) ...
Processing triggers for mime-support (3.54ubuntu1.1) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
protonmail-bridge
RESULT=1
so let's install the dependencies, beginning with qt5-default:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
protonmail-bridge : Depends: libqt5designer5 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt5multimediawidgets5 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libqt5quickwidgets5 but it is not installable
qt5-default : Depends: qtbase5-dev but it is not going to be installed
N: Ignoring file 'brave-trusty.listgrep' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
N: Ignoring file 'brave*' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension
N: Ignoring file 'brave-trusty.listgrep' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
N: Ignoring file 'brave*' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension
N: Ignoring file 'brave-trusty.listgrep' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
N: Ignoring file 'brave*' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
so let's do what it suggests and run apt-get -f install:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
acpi amarok-common-trinity amarok-engine-xine-trinity amarok-trinity
arts-trinity bluetooth bluez-utils crystalcursors
desktop-effects-tde-trinity dmz-cursor-theme fonts-arabeyes foo2zjs
fortune-mod fortunes-min fotoxx-common gir1.2-ges-1.0
gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-0.10 gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0
gir1.2-gstreamer-0.10 gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 gstreamer1.0-gnonlin
gtk-qt-engine-trinity gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity gwenview-trinity
kaffeine-trinity karm-trinity katapult-trinity kbstate-trinity
kdbusnotification-trinity keep-trinity kmag-trinity kmailcvt-trinity
kmousetool-trinity kmplayer-base-trinity kmplayer-konq-plugins-trinity
konversation-trinity kopete-trinity kpf-trinity kppp-trinity krdc-trinity
krfb-trinity ksplash-engine-moodin-trinity ksystemlog-trinity
ktorrent-trinity kubuntu-default-settings-trinity
kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts-trinity kvkbd-trinity landscape-client
landscape-common lftp libavahi-tqt-1 libccfits0 libcfitsio3
libdbus-tqt-1-1c2 libges-1.0-0 libifp4 libjs-sphinxdoc libllvm3.8v4
libmp4v2-2 libnjb5 libqt5concurrent5 libraw9 librsync1 libscim8c2a
libwayland-dev min12xxw pnm2ppa powermanagement-interface pxljr
python-gst-1.0 python-pylibacl python-pyxattr qt4-tqt-theme-engine qt5-qmake
qtbase5-dev-tools rdesktop rdiff-backup scim-bridge-client-qt scim-im-agent
scim-modules-socket screen speedcrunch splix strigi-daemon synaptic-trinity
tqca-tls ttf-arabeyes ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming ttf-lao
ttf-malayalam-fonts ttf-thai-tlwg ttf-unfonts-core
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
fotoxx gimp-gmic gir1.2-clutter-gst-1.0 gir1.2-clutter-gst-2.0
gir1.2-gtkclutter-1.0 kubuntu-desktop-trinity libchamplain-0.12-0
libchamplain-gtk-0.12-0 libclutter-gst-1.0-0 libxatracker2 luminance-hdr
pitivi protonmail-bridge xorg xserver-xorg-video-vmware
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 15 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
After this operation, 33.1 MB disk space will be freed.
see the problem? among other things, i believe that xorg is crucial to full enjoyment of the tde experience.
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the dependencies for the deb are:
qt5-default, libqt5designer5, libqt5multimediawidgets5, libqt5quickwidgets5, libpulse-mainloop-glib0, libsecret-1-0, gnome-keyring, ttf-dejavu
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as i dig deeper inti this, i see that the qt5 packages on which the protonmail bridge depends themselves depend on wayland. is there a qt5 that doesn't need wayland? that itself could be the issue.
Hello,
Since I upgraded from Debian Jessie to Stretch,
the opening of TDE is slow, 10 seconds with a black screen...
Do somebody see the same time ?
Have a good day,
André
was just now trying to install the protonmail bridge bets, which is to allow existing email clients to work with protonmail. but the .deb install failed for lack of a litany of qt5 dependencies. i have a bunch of qt4 things installed and they seem to work alongside tde perfectly well. so i sought to install qt5-essentials, the first of the dependencies. after which -- i typically install packages from the commandline -- i got this unhappy display:
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
acpi amarok-common-trinity amarok-engine-xine-trinity amarok-trinity
arts-trinity bluetooth bluez-utils crystalcursors
desktop-effects-tde-trinity dmz-cursor-theme fonts-arabeyes foo2zjs
fortune-mod fortunes-min fotoxx-common gir1.2-ges-1.0
gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0 gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 gir1.2-json-1.0
gstreamer1.0-gnonlin gtk-qt-engine-trinity gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity
gwenview-trinity kaffeine-trinity karm-trinity katapult-trinity
kbstate-trinity kdbusnotification-trinity keep-trinity kmag-trinity
kmailcvt-trinity kmousetool-trinity kmplayer-base-trinity
kmplayer-konq-plugins-trinity konversation-trinity kopete-trinity
kpf-trinity kppp-trinity krdc-trinity krfb-trinity
ksplash-engine-moodin-trinity ksystemlog-trinity ktorrent-trinity
kubuntu-default-settings-trinity kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts-trinity
kvkbd-trinity landscape-client landscape-common lftp libavahi-tqt-1
libccfits0 libcfitsio3 libdbus-tqt-1-1c2 libges-1.0-0 libifp4
libjs-sphinxdoc libmp4v2-2 libnjb5 libqt5concurrent5 libraw9 librsync1
libscim8c2a min12xxw pnm2ppa powermanagement-interface pxljr python-gst-1.0
python-pylibacl python-pyxattr qt4-tqt-theme-engine rdesktop rdiff-backup
scim-bridge-client-qt scim-im-agent scim-modules-socket screen speedcrunch
splix strigi-daemon synaptic-trinity tqca-tls ttf-arabeyes ttf-arphic-ukai
ttf-arphic-uming ttf-lao ttf-malayalam-fonts ttf-thai-tlwg ttf-unfonts-core
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
oh, and it also deleted xorg, though i quickly reinstalled that.
i'm hoping to make everyone play nice together, but before i do that i hope to back out of whatever i've gotten myself into, lest the machine surprise me at next reboot.
help!!
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okay, managed to fix whatever was ailing apt such that it doesn't want to uninstall half my software anymore (undid what i found in /var/log/apt/history.log), so now i'm just trying to find out if there's a way to get tde to peacefully coexist with qt5 stuff, without asking anybody to write or port anything, which i'm loath to do. if there's a way and somebody tells me of it, i'll report back on whether protonmail can be made to work with kmail as its client.
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