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Trisquel/drop-in ubuntu replacement
by dep 13 Mar '23

13 Mar '23

Just found this reply to my note on their list about jumping from Ubuntu to Trisquel. They're actually ideologically even more purist than Debian is, it seems -- there's a non-free Debian repository nowadays, isn't there? Anyway: First of all: welcome! > there are certain "non-free" packages i need, particularly video drivers. The Trisquel community will not "help" you install non-free software, because it does not consider it would actually be helping you: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-community-guidelines > by pointing at the trisquel servers in my /etc/apt/sources.list instead > of ubuntu ones, i can switch by simply doing the usual apt update / apt > upgrade Non-free packages would remain and would never be upgraded, even if vulnerabilities in them are exploited. If I were you, I would export the list of installed packages following https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/cloning-system-or-how-make-copy-installed-pac… (for instance), make a fresh install of Trisquel 11 Beta 6 (based on Ubuntu 22.04) using the ISO on https://cdbuilds.trisquel.org/aramo/ providing your desktop environment of preference (tell us which one it is if you do not know what ISO to download) and import the packages. Those that are not installable are certainly proprietary software. > are the package names the same? Yes. > is there a non-free repository for things like vid drivers? No. Trisquel is 100% free software. > i presume my other sources.list lines, that have to do with ppas and the > like, could remain intact. You can save those files before the fresh install too. For your own sake, I hope you will not re-add PPA proposing proprietary software. > what version name (focal, jammy, for instance, should i employ The code name of Trisquel 10 (based on Ubuntu 20.04) is Nabia. That of Trisquel 11 (based on Ubuntu 22.04) is Aramo. > is there a model sources.list I could copy from? Because I download the packages from https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ (there are many other mirrors) and I use Trisquel 11 Aramo, my /etc/apt/sources.list is: # Trisquel repositories for supported software and updates deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo main deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo-security main deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo-updates main deb https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/trisquel-packages/ aramo-backports main [eoq] So they seem to be the computer equivalent of woke, which seems to me to be that they'd rather I follow the RMS model than have a computer that does what I need it to do. There are no Nvidia drivers from the FSF that do what the Nvidia binary blobs and associated configuration software do. The on-topic question: there are TDE packages that would work, correct? Are there even any for "aramo"? -- dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/

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DCOP question
by J Leslie Turriff 12 Mar '23

12 Mar '23

Hi, Is there a way for one account to fetch information from another account's DCOP service? If I open a Konsole session that logs into another account's shell, can that shell fetch the SessionName from the DCOP of the Konsole account? Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 (x86_64) Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.13 tde-config: 1.0

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drop-in ubuntu replacements?
by dep 11 Mar '23

11 Mar '23

greets, everybody . . . i've been away, working on a book project, but now i need to turn to this list. i've used ubuntu for well over a decade, happily. canonical has gone kind of flaky -- first, update messages got salted with announcements that they're holding back some security updates unless i register with them (and we all know where that leads). now i updates my second machine, running 2004LTS, and got a pop-up saying support will end in 43 days unless i upgrade to 2204. until now, upgrading was simply a matter of changing the version name in the sources list, then doing the usual update/upgrade thing. usually i had to do it a couple of times to get everything, but it worked. my desktop is pretty elaborately configured. a clean install would take a week i don't have, followed by a year of every so often finding something that no longer works. so . . . i'm hoping to find what amounts to a ubuntu clone but free of whatever it is that canonical is up to. by this, i mean a distro that will let me change the version name (and probably the server) in the sources list (actually, in synaptic), and let 'er rip, with package names and so on being the same to the extent that it won't break everything. there used to be a lot of -buntus -- for a while i was using kubuntu until kde went its goofy way and ubuntu dropped support for it. i see now that there is something called "trisquel," and that seems a likely choice, if package naming conventions are the same -- i know that version names aren't. anybody tried it? i's do debian, but that would take me a week or two to fix the stuff broken by their politics, even as i'm trying to fix what canonical is breaking for business reasons. i do not want snap or appimage, just plain old deb. what's the right answer? is there a solid non-ubuntu ubuntu that without too much crowbar use runs TDE? thanks in advance. -- dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/

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Coexistence of TDE and KDE
by Dave Close 11 Mar '23

11 Mar '23

I made these comments in response to a different topic and suspect they were overlooked as a result. Hence, another attempt. On a Fedora 37 system with KDE (5) working, I installed TDE. All of it except the applications. Having KDE 5 installed before installing TDE seems to have resulted in some confusion. The DE startup splash screen, for example, says it is starting Plasma by KDE. Once started, it does appear to actually be TDE. But some parts of TDE don't work as expected. For example, the TDE Control Center doesn't start if selected from the start menu. Nothing at all happens. Starting kcontrol from a shell does start what appears to be the program but nothing in it works. On exit, the shell reports, "WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found | Defaulting to Settings/". Is this sort of installation expected to work? Would it have been better to start with a fresh install? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "What right does Congress have to go dave(a)compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 around making laws just because they dhclose(a)alumni.caltech.edu deem it necessary?" -- Marion Barry

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Configuring TDM
by Darrell Anderson 10 Mar '23

10 Mar '23

I am trying to configure TDM. The default is some kind of black background. The login dialog is so dark of a gray that I can't read the black text in the dialog. This seems to be an os_enterprise theme? Is this the normal default? Using the TCC Login Manager module I was able to get something usable, but I had to manually edit the tdmrc file to Theme= (nothing) to kill that dark theme. The login dialog has a title bar with a caption that says 'Login to TDE'. Looking at the code this seems hard-coded? Can this be changed? Seems the caption should say 'Login' or possibly be dynamic to whatever session the user selects? Regardless of whatever session I select I get dumped into a terminal window shell. Seems something is misconfigured and TDM is not sourcing any xsession files. Appreciate any help. DA

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btw, here's what i'm talking about
by dep 10 Mar '23

10 Mar '23

https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/17/ubuntu_advantage/ "Ubuntu Advantage is being wired deeper into the distro "Dislike those messages about Ubuntu Pro? Then you won't like this" -- dep Pictures: http://www.ipernity.com/doc/depscribe/album Column: https://ofb.biz/author/dep/

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StartX
by Dave Close 09 Mar '23

09 Mar '23

<https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Fedora_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Inst…> provides great instructions for installing TDE on a working Fedora 37 system. But the last section provides no help for starting TDE from a "run-level 3" system (multi-user, not graphical). The built-in startx command does not detect TDE. Or, more specifically, the /etc/sysconfig/desktop script. Of course, I can modify that script but I have no idea what to add to it. It would be nice if the TDE installation provided an updated version. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 dave(a)compata.com dhclose(a)alumni.caltech.edu "Thoughts, like fleas, jump from man to man, but they don't bite everybody." -- Stanislaw Jerzy Lec

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TDELauncher
by ajh-valmer 07 Mar '23

07 Mar '23

Hello, On my second computer, I created an icon Konqueror to open it in root. When I want to open a file I receive this message : "Impossible to dialogue with TDE Launcher" and the file does not open. Quid ? I don't have this message on my two others computers. Thanks, cheers. André

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Fedora 37 systemd pulseaudio paradox
by Felix Miata 07 Mar '23

07 Mar '23

Wolfgang Pfeiffer composed on 2023-03-06 18:38 (UTC+0100): # on fedora user mailing list. > On Mar 06, 2023 at 03:34:38 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >>I'm not against change, but this is a result of several years of system-upgrades, >>and I've never seen anything explaining how to make a switch: ... > In your messages wireplumber does not appear. It seems this software > is managing sound since F34. On this page > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F35_bugs#No_sound_after_upgrade_(wire… > you find > "Wireplumber ... "needs to be running for sound to work"." > > The page above provides excellent documentation to find what went > wrong, and how to fix it. It doesn't seem to cover this: # dnf search systemd | grep -iE 'wire|puls|audio|sound' Last metadata expiration check: 0:20:21 ago on Mon 06 Mar 2023 06:11:55 PM EST. [root@gx62b ~]# rpm -qa | grep -iE 'wire|pulse|alsa|audio|sound' |sort alsa-firmware-1.2.4-7.fc37.noarch alsa-lib-1.2.8-2.fc37.x86_64 alsa-tools-firmware-1.2.5-5.fc37.x86_64 alsa-ucm-1.2.8-2.fc37.noarch alsa-utils-1.2.8-1.fc37.x86_64 audiofile-0.3.6-31.fc37.x86_64 esound-libs-0.2.41-28.fc37.x86_64 jack-audio-connection-kit-1.9.21-3.fc37.x86_64 pipewire-libs-0.3.66-1.fc37.x86_64 pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.66-1.fc37.x86_64 pulseaudio-libs-16.1-4.fc37.x86_64 pulseaudio-utils-16.1-4.fc37.x86_64 python3-alsa-1.2.7-3.fc37.x86_64 sound-theme-freedesktop-0.8-18.fc37.noarch soundtouch-2.3.1-3.fc37.x86_64 webrtc-audio-processing-0.3.1-9.fc37.x86_64 wireplumber-libs-0.4.13-1.fc37.x86_64 zita-alsa-pcmi-0.6.1-1.fc37.x86_64 # $ systemctl --user status wireplumber.service Unit wireplumber.service could not be found. $ This is after rebooting following running dnf swap --allowerasing pulseaudio pipewire-pulseaudio dnf install wireplumber-libs dnf remove pulseaudio-libs-glib2 # removed phonon* too Afterward: dnf install wireplumber And reboot. Now logging in TDE produces an endless stream of soundserver popups that prevents focus from staying anywhere else long enough to do anything but log out, but logging in on vtty allows: $ systemctl --user status wireplumber.service # wireplumber.service - Multimedia Service Session Manager Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/wireplumber.service: enabled; preset: enabled) Active: inactive (dead) What's required to end the popups and continue lack of sound diagnosis? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata

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Re: DCOP question
by J Leslie Turriff 06 Mar '23

06 Mar '23

On 2023-03-05 17:29:04 deloptes via tde-users wrote: > J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote: > > Is there a way for one account to fetch information from another > > account's DCOP service? If I open a Konsole session that logs into > > another account's shell, can that shell fetch the SessionName from the > > DCOP of the Konsole account? Attached is a snapshot of the Konsole sessions in question. The three sessions with red terminal icons are root sessions. I want their .bashrc to be able to obtain the tab titles (SessionName) for self-identification. Leslie -- Platform: GNU/Linux Hardware: x86_64 Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.13 tde-config: 1.0

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