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non-starting browsers & other annoyances
by William Morder 05 Mar '22

05 Mar '22

Update on those previous threads, for what it's worth. After pondering my options (upgrade or downgrade, try another DE, start from scratch, etc.), I decided that I would give this thing one last try. And here, I did not do anything different, so far as I can tell. During my futzing and fiddling phase, I changed the repos to PSB and PTB, but this didn't seem to help, as Kmail would always crash, and it didn't solve the problem with browsers not starting, nor did it get Open Office working. So I decided to give it one last try, and went through adding packages only a few at a time, downloading them all from standard repositories for Devuan Chimaera and TDE (no PSB or PTB). My usual practice is the download in batches, according to categories, if you will. I keep lists of those packages and dependencies that have worked in the past. Where there are problems or conflicts, I make a note, edit out those rejects, etc. Most of you probably have some similar habits, I suppose, but this is mine, and I've been doing it like this since 2006, across PC Linux, Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04x, Debian 8 or 9, and finally Devuan starting with Jessie. I've copied and saved my home folder across 3 desktops (plus a few test machines built out of junk), and at least 5 laptops. There may be a few other machines that I now forget. But anyway, so this isn't my first rodeo. What I do works for me; or at least, it always has done. After adding these packages only a few at a time, suddenly everything works again. The only thing I can see that is different is that these are slightly newer versions of the stable builds. I have not yet added qt5ct (which will allow me to use my TDE colors and themes on non-TDE programs). There are several threads on this already; so I will leave it at that. My browsers work again like usual, everything is back. So that's all good, right? Except, what bothers me is that I can't track down the cause of those problems. I can only think maybe it was due to some corrupt packages, or something like that, which makes me wonder how and why they would have got damaged. It could be that qt5ct and/or its dependencies are causing some conflict. On my previous installations, when I ran the echo command to enable qt5ct changes, I got error messages that said it was misconfigured as gtk2. Yet that is what this web page advises: https://askubuntu.com/questions/706528/qt-apps-stopped-inheriting-gtk-theme… https://web.archive.org/web/20201111174652/https://askubuntu.com/questions/… Then you run this command: sudo sh -c "echo 'export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2' >> /etc/environment" and reboot, and it always worked (at least, when I was running Devuan Beowulf on my desktop). The error message in qt5ct said that it ought to be something else, I think it was qt5 or maybe gtk5 (is that a thing?). So I tried modifying the command to: sudo sh -c "echo 'export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct' >> /etc/environment" but this did nothing. I hesitate to mess with this any more, since my system is stable again. Anyway ... so once more, I stand at the door, almost there, but can't get in. Now I am back to the same problem that irked me before; namely, either to get Open Office running, or to get Libre Office running and to change the color scheme of the GUI interface to something that doesn't cause me severe pain and discomfort (from looking at large patches white screen). I am wondering if I ought to try css, as I believe I still have E. Liddell's scripts somewhere (and his old emails with the attachments). Maybe I can use that to get my Libre Office GUI interface to use colors that are not so hard on my eyes. (I am not joking here. I get watery eyes, and eventually a migraine, after staring at a white screen for more than about 5 minutes.) Apologies for length, but I was trying to recount the various factors that may or not be relevant. I expect it will get trimmed in the responses. Any observations or suggestions or advice are appreciated. Bill

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Hurray
by phiebie＠drei.at 04 Mar '22

04 Mar '22

Just caught this headline on my broker-website (Comdirect, to avoid eventually arising lawsuits): "VW-Aufseher winken Pläne für Zukunftsmodell Trinity durch" The supervisory board of VW (Volkswagen) waved through the plans for the future blueprint Trinity. Hey, Slavek and companions, all your efforts are at last appreciated very high up:-)) Regards, Peter.

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Re: non-starting browsers - more info
by Jim 28 Feb '22

28 Feb '22

One more try... On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 14:22 (-0800), William Morder via tde-users wrote: > Now all of a sudden this issue, with almost none of my usual browsers able to > start up at all: it's blind-sided me, and I don't even know where to look for > the cause. I'm still curious as to what exactly that means. If you open a terminal window and try to start (for example) firefox, by typing firefox to the shell prompt and pressing the enter key, *exactly* what happens? Saying "doesn't start" is vague to the point of meaninglessness. (Or opera or vivaldi or whatever browser you like.) Does the shell say something like "command not found"? Does the shell report the browser crashed? Do you get a prompt back, but no window shows up on your screen? Do you not get a prompt back? Are there absolutely no error messages or similar that show up in your terminal window? Note that unless you have a very long window, a process that isn't using much CPU time might be far enough down the list that you won't see it with top or htop. If you really want to know whether it is there, open a second terminal window and try typing the command ps axuw | grep firefox (or grep for whatever browser you tried to start that "isn't starting") and let us know what it says. Jim

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Trinity on Slackware
by Hunter Ellett 28 Feb '22

28 Feb '22

Slackware 15 just dropped yesterday after a 6 year gap and I'm wondering if anyone here uses it knows how well supported it is. I know two folks on Matrix who do, but the way they talk the Slackbuilds by Ray-V are rather shallow. I'm thinking of using Slackware myself because of its incredible resistance to change (much like TDE) But, if Trinity is not well supported I don't know how it will go. I don't care for any of the desktop environments or window managers that come with it. For me it's either TDE, icewm, or nothing. -- ~ Hunter Sent from my Android device with K9 Mail

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strange visitors on top
by William Morder 27 Feb '22

27 Feb '22

Does anybody know what these processes represent? applet.py agent at-spi-bus-laun They show up in top, running as processes under my user name, PIDs are all close together in the 2600 range, but they are new visitors that I've never seen before. I've tried to track them down to their source, so far with no luck. I've had some other issues, too, but I don't know if they are related. Just getting used to running TDE on a different and newer machine, so I expect that things will change and I need to make adjustments. But I can't imagine what I might have installed that does this. These processes all run at near 100% CPU, although I don't really have much else running at present. In any case, since I haven't seen them ever before yesterday, I want to know. Any help or suggestions are appreciated. Bill

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Let the war end, off vs. on topic
by Michael 26 Feb '22

26 Feb '22

I find high irony that my namesake on this list has diametrically opposed views to myself as to how the users on this list should behave. Although I’m not fond of fascism in any form, lets force some middle ground anyway. (Again, the irony is strong...) Some background and realities first though. 1) This list has always had a huge amount of “off topic” correspondence. It is what makes this list enjoyable to many (possibly most) of the members. 2) Everyone on this list uses an email program that allows message filtering to enable their off vs. on topic desires. So, being the fascist I don’t like being, if you wish to create, or reply with, an “off topic” message to this list, please include, at the end of the subject line the completely disambiguous filterable keyword: [offtopic] The END. (Not that “The END” will stop any of you from expressing your opinions one way or the other, so do remember to change your reply’s subject line to: “Let the war end, off vs. on topic [offtopic]”) Best Regards All, (yes even to Mike) Michael

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non-starting browsers
by William Morder 26 Feb '22

26 Feb '22

Now here's another puzzle. I don't know if it's related to my previous question about unwanted visitors in top, but I decided that I ought to start a new thread. I managed to get rid of those pesky unwelcome visitors, and imagined that I was on the way to having a machine that actually does what I want. All of a sudden, most of my browsers will not launch at all. I even went on a spree, and downloaded lots of different browsers, just to try them out (and to see if I could get anything to connect to the Internet). Thus far I have installed urf, surf-raw, netsurf, netsurf-gtk, midori, epiphany chromium, icecat, links2, lynx, elinks, vivaldi-snapshot, seamonkey and palemoon. Firefox is of course already installed by default. My regular browsers are icecat (to block everything that's unwanted) and palemoon (for when I am blocked from sites such as archive.org, etc.). I also use seamonkey for only one thing, which is a small blog that I don't really maintain much any more, but still like to check in. And I generally use vivaldi-snapshot for all my "business"-type stuff, where I must use a direct connection. Until now, this system worked just fine, both on my desktop computer and (since early December) on this laptop. Now, suddenly, only palemoon will load at all, and I am blocked from archive.org. The only thing that I have changed is to remove non-free and contrib from the lines in my sources.list, since networking has worked fine without any non-free software. And by the way, this is not, strictly speaking, off-topic, because it probably concerns tdenetworkmanager, or something like that. Everything else that I've tested, so far, works okay. I can connect to the internet, I can send and receive emails, I can download stuff. When I check top, these browsers don't even seem to load. It's not like they start loading then crash; they don't even show up on top. I am about to try an upgrade. And if that doesn't work, to add non-free and contrib to my sources ... but I would really rather not do that, since it seems like it ought to work without them. Help, please! Any suggestions are welcome. Even snide comments and jokes would be a relief. Bill

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NO OFF TOPIC POSTS PLEASE
by Mike Bird 25 Feb '22

25 Feb '22

There's a war on and feelings are strong and justified but this is not the place to discuss the war. Thank you. --Mike

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Removable media URL mismatch
by Curt Howland 22 Feb '22

22 Feb '22

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi. Forgive me if this is an old issue. I noticed recently trying to launch VLC to play a file on removable media from Konqueror, the file path passed to VLC is messed up. Should be: file:///media/user/sdb1/filename.mp3 Is: file:///home/user/system%3/media/user/sdb1/filename.mp3 The file association has "/bin/vlc --start-from-file %U", I looked at some other file associations and %U appears to be correct. TDE applications do not have this problem, kedit or kpdf just show "system:/media/user/sdb1/filename.xxx" and I checked, those use %U in file associations. Any ideas? Where is the list of URL shortcuts so I can try things other than %U? Curt- - -- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEAREIAB0WIQTaYVhJsIalt8scIDa2T1fo1pHhqQUCYhOeyQAKCRC2T1fo1pHh qa9rAQCz4V5/e5H7K6fJY+CYmDb9pQDYxreRskJXkWz4SVo4LAEApxMXWFnN54YT xTTdG2XJVHBqMT5ysFqm+ULv7V1IcjM= =QHyO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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how to force TDE colors in LibreOffice and other applications?
by William Morder 21 Feb '22

21 Feb '22

I know, I know ... Use qt5ct. And I'm the one who complains when others bring up this same problem under different headings: GTK 3 TQt Engine Styles Using Tqt theme/color scheme in Qt5 applications The problem is not with display of text, etc.; in fact, it would seem that the issue with page metrics differing between Open Office and Libre Office has been resolved, or is not so obvious. So it may be that I can make it work, at least for the present. What I want is to change the GUI of Libre Office to use my TDE system colors and fonts. I could do it with Open Office, but not with Libre Office, which appears to use Gnome defaults. I've tried to go into Trinity Control Center, but changing the settings does nothing to Libre Office. This isn't just a cosmetic annoyance (although it *is* ugly), but because it's really hard on my old eyes to stare for hours on end at a white background with tiny black text. It only takes a few minutes and my eyes start to give me problems, and I can't continue working. It seems that there must be a way to force Libre Office to use my TDE colors, or at least to use a dark theme or high-contrast mode. I tried qt5ct, and nothing happens. I thought maybe I could do it with css or something like that. Any help or suggestions? Bill

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