Dear TDE list
I have used tde for some time now, but mainly on desktops. I standardise on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS version but unfortunately the desktop version comes bundled with a desktop that takes ugly to new levels and does not offer multiple desktops, which are very useful as I have an additional screen plugged into the HDMI port. So I start by installing the server version, then add the trinity repositories and install as directed. That's always worked on my desktops.
The platform is a Dell 7737 laptop with 16GB memory - quite old but reliable, nice display, etc and I have replaced the drive with a 1TB SSD so it is a completely new box. There are 2 display controllers, VGA compatible Intel Haswell-ULT and a 3D controller nVidia GeForce GT 750M.
Now the issues:
1) I have no wifi or ethernet tools. The machine is currently working with the installation settings in /etc/netplan via the wired networking. Thus, if I want to use it elsewhere I cannot select wireless network without editing the installation file(s). Network settings just tells me that the platform is not supported and offers quite an old list of options. What is missing from my installation?
2) There is no suspend or other power options. As I use it as an effective desktop that is permanently plugged in, this may not matter but again, what can be missing?
3) If I go to the power settings and try to change anything, the display on the laptop goes bananas with for example the nice plain blue xterm header turned into a rainbow, blotchy characters etc. Moving the offending object to the external screen . I've seen this before and the answer with an nVidia graphics card was to install the nVidia-418 drivers from the Ubuntu repository and block nouveau. Initially, with nouveau, this happened which is why I installed the nVidia bundle but it happens with that as well. Could this be a confusion between the two display controllers because the extension screen is not affected, or the missing power options?
Puzzled.
On Sunday 24 September 2023 11.00:58 John Logsdon via tde-users wrote:
Dear TDE list
I have used tde for some time now, but mainly on desktops. I standardise on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
(...)
Now the issues:
- I have no wifi or ethernet tools.
- There is no suspend or other power options.
- If I go to the power settings and try to change anything, the display
on the laptop goes bananas
Hello,
I am no Ubuntu user, but I wonder if your issues have anything to do with TDE (and for that reason can be solved from TDE). Wifi, ethernet and Power options depend on the system itself (Ubuntu here) I guess.
AFAIK for power option, check that tdepowersave is installed - but what it can do probably depends on what Ubuntu can to with your laptop.
The network/wifi settings from TDE also have to interact with whatever your Ubuntu system proposes. If Ubuntu can see no network, TDE won't either.
As I said, I don't use Ubuntu. You might download an image of MX-Linux (not Ubuntu, but Debian based) and boot that - my experience is very good with MX, with laptops in particular. If you have network and power options, then you problem is Ubuntu, not TDE.
Thierry
John Logsdon via tde-users wrote:
- I have no wifi or ethernet tools. The machine is currently working
with the installation settings in /etc/netplan via the wired networking. Thus, if I want to use it elsewhere I cannot select wireless network without editing the installation file(s). Network settings just tells me that the platform is not supported and offers quite an old list of options. What is missing from my installation?
I am using the network manager and tdenetworkmanager, which is working fine at 95%. I had only once an issue when I was in a hotel. and the issue was related to the shorewall firewall that was obviously not dynamic enough to respond to the hotels network Here I would also check if I were member of the group netdev
- There is no suspend or other power options. As I use it as an
effective desktop that is permanently plugged in, this may not matter but again, what can be missing?
Here I would check if I have the proper permissions for the group plugdev see /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf
- If I go to the power settings and try to change anything, the display
on the laptop goes bananas with for example the nice plain blue xterm header turned into a rainbow, blotchy characters etc. Moving the offending object to the external screen . I've seen this before and the answer with an nVidia graphics card was to install the nVidia-418 drivers from the Ubuntu repository and block nouveau. Initially, with nouveau, this happened which is why I installed the nVidia bundle but it happens with that as well. Could this be a confusion between the two display controllers because the extension screen is not affected, or the missing power options?
I also had this bug on older Dell ... but I do not remember what was the solution. I do not think it is confusion between the two controllers or related to the power option. I remember it was something different, but can not reach to the details.
BR
Folks
Network issue solved - I needed tdenetwork-trinity.
I can now see and connect to my (hidden) network and another network that is presumably my neighbour's and I have installed and connected via the ethernet device. I've added myself to the netdev group.
How do I remove the netplan installation stuff? It contains my wifi password in plain text!! Do I just rm -rf the /etc/netplan directory or is there a package to remove properly?
Power issue - I have tdepowersave installed and am a member of the plugdev group.
The file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf is root:root mod 644 and I can read it. The battery symbol shows empty which must be wrong because the machine is permanently plugged in. It seems that Ubuntu is not reading the battery condition.
Oh bother - now I've lost my kicker!! Time to restart tde.
On 24-09-2023 14:54, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
John Logsdon via tde-users wrote:
- I have no wifi or ethernet tools. The machine is currently working
with the installation settings in /etc/netplan via the wired networking. Thus, if I want to use it elsewhere I cannot select wireless network without editing the installation file(s). Network settings just tells me that the platform is not supported and offers quite an old list of options. What is missing from my installation?
I am using the network manager and tdenetworkmanager, which is working fine at 95%. I had only once an issue when I was in a hotel. and the issue was related to the shorewall firewall that was obviously not dynamic enough to respond to the hotels network Here I would also check if I were member of the group netdev
- There is no suspend or other power options. As I use it as an
effective desktop that is permanently plugged in, this may not matter but again, what can be missing?
Here I would check if I have the proper permissions for the group plugdev see /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.trinitydesktop.hardwarecontrol.conf
- If I go to the power settings and try to change anything, the
display on the laptop goes bananas with for example the nice plain blue xterm header turned into a rainbow, blotchy characters etc. Moving the offending object to the external screen . I've seen this before and the answer with an nVidia graphics card was to install the nVidia-418 drivers from the Ubuntu repository and block nouveau. Initially, with nouveau, this happened which is why I installed the nVidia bundle but it happens with that as well. Could this be a confusion between the two display controllers because the extension screen is not affected, or the missing power options?
I also had this bug on older Dell ... but I do not remember what was the solution. I do not think it is confusion between the two controllers or related to the power option. I remember it was something different, but can not reach to the details.
BR
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On Sunday 24 September 2023, John Logsdon via tde-users was heard to say:
Dear TDE list
I have used tde for some time now, but mainly on desktops. I standardise on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS version but unfortunately the desktop version comes bundled with a desktop that takes ugly to new levels and does not offer multiple desktops,
Being a Debian user I have noticed that many of the dynamic network elements such as wireless tools don't get installed with the server, only with the desktop initial installation.
That said, when installing TDE I am given a choice to use either the "lightdm" login manager standard package by default, or "tdm-trinity". Setting to "tdm-trinity" and the TDE desktop means not seeing whatever default desktop was installed the first time.
I know Ubuntu does some things very differently, but most of the plumbing remains Debian.
Can you try "dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity" and see if you have a choice to set tdm-trinity as the default login, from which you can choose TDE as the desktop?
At least that way you could do the desktop Ubuntu install and get all the good bells and whistles that come with that, and still not use the default ugly desktop.
Curt-
P.S., I've been careful to buy only Intel graphic systems recently, avoiding the nouveau/nvidia morass entirely, so I cannot help there.
- -- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
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Curt Howland -
deloptes -
John Logsdon -
Thierry de Coulon