On Saturday 18 April 2020 10:40:44 am Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I have never installed sudo. As far as I remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had told Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to 'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba AC100) which has had some troubles of late.
Can you not just open a root console?
michael@local [~]# su - Password: root@local [~]#
Or maybe I'm just missing what you're trying to achieve?
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On 18/04/2020 17:09, Michael wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2020 10:40:44 am Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I have never installed sudo. As far as I remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had told Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to 'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba AC100) which has had some troubles of late.
Can you not just open a root console?
michael@local [~]# su - Password: root@local [~]#
Or maybe I'm just missing what you're trying to achieve?
Probably :)
I'm trying to install TDE on a Toshiba AC100 (that I had a few OS problems with) but I don't want sudo on the system. However, having managed to get sudo 'held' back, I now get;
The following packages have unmet dependencies: tde-core-trinity : Depends: sudo-trinity but it is not going to be installed The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Install the following packages: 1) sudo-ldap [1.8.27-1+deb10u2 (testing)] 2) sudo-trinity [4:14.0.7-0debian10.0.0+0 (<NULL>)]
Any devs care to comment before I go to the trouble of repackaging?
On Saturday 18 of April 2020 18:13:53 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 18/04/2020 17:09, Michael wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2020 10:40:44 am Michael Howard via trinity-users
wrote:
On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard via trinity-users
wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I have never installed sudo. As far as I remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had told Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to 'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba AC100) which has had some troubles of late.
Can you not just open a root console?
michael@local [~]# su - Password: root@local [~]#
Or maybe I'm just missing what you're trying to achieve?
Probably :)
I'm trying to install TDE on a Toshiba AC100 (that I had a few OS problems with) but I don't want sudo on the system. However, having managed to get sudo 'held' back, I now get;
The following packages have unmet dependencies: tde-core-trinity : Depends: sudo-trinity but it is not going to be installed The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Install the following packages: 1) sudo-ldap [1.8.27-1+deb10u2 (testing)] 2) sudo-trinity [4:14.0.7-0debian10.0.0+0 (<NULL>)]
Any devs care to comment before I go to the trouble of repackaging?
Hi,
that explains why I didn't notice the problem with removing sudo on my machine - I usually don't use meta-packages.
I suppose there should be no problem to move sudo-trinity from Depends to Recommends. Likewise, synaptic-trinity could be moved. Does anyone think there are reasons not to do so?
Cheers
Slávek Banko wrote:
that explains why I didn't notice the problem with removing sudo on my machine - I usually don't use meta-packages.
I suppose there should be no problem to move sudo-trinity from Depends to Recommends. Likewise, synaptic-trinity could be moved. Does anyone think there are reasons not to do so?
why not move them to tde-trinity in Depends. otherwise you would not install them per default as being done now.
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On 18/04/2020 20:22, deloptes wrote:
Slávek Banko wrote:
that explains why I didn't notice the problem with removing sudo on my machine - I usually don't use meta-packages.
I suppose there should be no problem to move sudo-trinity from Depends to Recommends. Likewise, synaptic-trinity could be moved. Does anyone think there are reasons not to do so?
why not move them to tde-trinity in Depends. otherwise you would not install them per default as being done now.
That's the point, _not_ installing by default. Why would/should TDE _depend_ on sudo and co?
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
That's the point, _not_ installing by default. Why would/should TDE _depend_ on sudo and co?
The idea was that you can install full scale tde by doing apt install tde-trinity and if you do not want all unnecessary packages you would do something like apt install tde-core-trinity.
At least this was my understanding.
regards
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On 18/04/2020 22:04, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
That's the point, _not_ installing by default. Why would/should TDE _depend_ on sudo and co?
The idea was that you can install full scale tde by doing apt install tde-trinity and if you do not want all unnecessary packages you would do something like apt install tde-core-trinity.
At least this was my understanding.
Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity (and sudo-ldap?) so I still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage at my leisure.
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity (and sudo-ldap?) so I still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage at my leisure.
tde-trinity and tde-core-trinity are meta packages. So what Slavek suggested is to change those to Recommended and I suggest to move them to tde-trinity. This way you could install all you need by installing tde-core-trinity without sudo dependencies.
If you want to do it your way, it is sufficient to repackage tde-core-trinity and set them in Recommended as Slavek suggested.
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On 18/04/2020 22:58, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity (and sudo-ldap?) so I still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage at my leisure.
tde-trinity and tde-core-trinity are meta packages. So what Slavek suggested is to change those to Recommended and I suggest to move them to tde-trinity. This way you could install all you need by installing tde-core-trinity without sudo dependencies.
If you want to do it your way, it is sufficient to repackage tde-core-trinity and set them in Recommended as Slavek suggested.
There seems to be some confusion here :)
I know tde-trinity is a meta package and using that package is how the installation is described on the TDE website.
However, using that package installs sudo, by default and despite 'holding' sudo, tde-core-trinity wants to install other sudo relate packages. I don't want sudo.
So, to be clear, I'm simply asking how to install TDE (these days) WITHOUT sudo. Ideally, I don't want to repackage anything.
Regards,
On 2020-04-18 17:41:12 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 18/04/2020 22:58, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity (and sudo-ldap?) so I still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage at my leisure.
tde-trinity and tde-core-trinity are meta packages. So what Slavek suggested is to change those to Recommended and I suggest to move them to tde-trinity. This way you could install all you need by installing tde-core-trinity without sudo dependencies.
If you want to do it your way, it is sufficient to repackage tde-core-trinity and set them in Recommended as Slavek suggested.
There seems to be some confusion here :)
I know tde-trinity is a meta package and using that package is how the installation is described on the TDE website.
However, using that package installs sudo, by default and despite 'holding' sudo, tde-core-trinity wants to install other sudo relate packages. I don't want sudo.
So, to be clear, I'm simply asking how to install TDE (these days) WITHOUT sudo. Ideally, I don't want to repackage anything.
Regards,
I believe that the recommendation to change packages from Required to Recommended is a suggestion to the developers, not to you.
Leslie
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On 19/04/2020 00:20, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-04-18 17:41:12 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 18/04/2020 22:58, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity (and sudo-ldap?) so I still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage at my leisure.
tde-trinity and tde-core-trinity are meta packages. So what Slavek suggested is to change those to Recommended and I suggest to move them to tde-trinity. This way you could install all you need by installing tde-core-trinity without sudo dependencies.
If you want to do it your way, it is sufficient to repackage tde-core-trinity and set them in Recommended as Slavek suggested.
There seems to be some confusion here :)
I know tde-trinity is a meta package and using that package is how the installation is described on the TDE website.
However, using that package installs sudo, by default and despite 'holding' sudo, tde-core-trinity wants to install other sudo relate packages. I don't want sudo.
So, to be clear, I'm simply asking how to install TDE (these days) WITHOUT sudo. Ideally, I don't want to repackage anything.
Regards,
I believe that the recommendation to change packages from Required to Recommended is a suggestion to the developers, not to you.
Leslie
Yes, I understood that. I was replying to somebody who seemed not to.
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