18 Apr
2020
18 Apr
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3:25 p.m.
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
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18 Apr
18 Apr
3:33 p.m.
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I have never installed sudo. As far as I
remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had told
Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry
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3:40 p.m.
On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard via
trinity-users wrote:
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to
'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba
AC100) which has had some troubles of late.
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Michael Howard
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I
have never installed sudo. As far as I
remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had told
Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry
4:07 p.m.
On 18/04/2020 16:40, Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
It appears my 'apt-mark hold <package>' commands are wiping out my
previous holds.
I still suspect that 'aptitude install tde-trinity' is not going to like
it when I get this 'hold' problem sorted. I must say, in the past, I
have never had to install sudo (and sudo-trinity etc).
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Michael Howard
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard
via trinity-users wrote:
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to
'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba
AC100) which has had some troubles of late. Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I
have never installed sudo. As far as I
remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had told
Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry
19 Apr
19 Apr
1:36 a.m.
On 04/18/2020 10:25 AM, Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I need to
build it all myself to avoid sudo?
In the long-ago past there were issues when using sudo with KDE(TDE) and a
workaround that allowed you to configure the desktop apps to use su instead of
sudo when administrator rights were needed. In my old notes I have:
Kdesu now again defaults to using su instead of sudo because of various
problems with using sudo there. You can change the default back to sudo using
kwriteconfig --file kdesurc --group super-user-command --key
super-user-command sudo
(or you can change from sudo to su by changing the --key super-user-command su)
If you are having problems with sudo, this is something to check. I don't know
what the default is for TDE or whether this was ever a patch incorporated in
TDE or if it was just an openSUSE patch of KDE3 -- Slavek will know :)
(not intentionally throwing Slavek under the bus...)
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7:51 a.m.
On 19/04/2020 02:36, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 04/18/2020 10:25 AM, Michael Howard via
trinity-users wrote:
Thanks for that info. I've never used sudo and dont want to now. The
problem is, the TDE install is attempting to force it upon me :)
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Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I need to
build it all myself to avoid sudo?
In the long-ago past there were issues when using sudo with KDE(TDE) and a
workaround that allowed you to configure the desktop apps to use su instead of
sudo when administrator rights were needed. In my old notes I have:
Kdesu now again defaults to using su instead of sudo because of various
problems with using sudo there. You can change the default back to sudo using
kwriteconfig --file kdesurc --group super-user-command --key
super-user-command sudo
(or you can change from sudo to su by changing the --key super-user-command su)
If you are having problems with sudo, this is something to check. I don't know
what the default is for TDE or whether this was ever a patch incorporated in
TDE or if it was just an openSUSE patch of KDE3 -- Slavek will know :)
(not intentionally throwing Slavek under the bus...)
6:29 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: sudo
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO.
First install without the meta packages
Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while
keep sudo-trinity.
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8 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: sudo
On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and
what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through
but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get
installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap,
sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of
packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've never
had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a fresh
install of TDE.
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Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO.
First install without the meta packages
Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while
keep sudo-trinity.
9:25 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: sudo
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Seems that this commit added the sudo dependency
commit 598dd003cf7926d87db817e29df47cbf195f936b
Author: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
Date: Thu Feb 21 00:08:21 2019 -0600
Add sudo to dependencies for LDAP bonding / controller packages
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Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and
what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through
but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get
installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap,
sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of
packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've never
had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a fresh
install of TDE.
Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO.
First install without the meta packages
Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo
while keep sudo-trinity.
10:03 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: sudo
On Sunday 19 of April 2020 11:25:17 deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
No, 598dd003cf is not related commit - it affect only kcmldap packages.
It seems, that sudo-trinity dependency is here already from initial import
of meta-tde package. See:
commit 480df2e321c2518991b2d35957ab2b01580b2536
Author: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
Date: Sun Nov 25 15:24:35 2012 -0600
Add Debian metapackage and move the Kubuntu metapackage to the correct
location
In any case, now is good time to change it.
Cheers
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Slávek
On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Seems that this commit added the sudo dependency
commit 598dd003cf7926d87db817e29df47cbf195f936b
Author: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
Date: Thu Feb 21 00:08:21 2019 -0600
Add sudo to dependencies for LDAP bonding / controller packages
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and
what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod
through but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get
installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap,
sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of
packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've
never had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a
fresh install of TDE. Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO.
First install without the meta packages
Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo
while keep sudo-trinity.
10:24 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: sudo
On 19/04/2020 11:03, Slávek Banko wrote:
On Sunday 19 of April 2020 11:25:17 deloptes wrote:
Interesting. I musn't have used a metapackage install in the past then.
I do still have some quite old installs lying around, I'll have to look
see if sudo snuck up on me :)
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
No, 598dd003cf is not related commit - it affect only kcmldap packages.
It seems, that sudo-trinity dependency is here already from initial import
of meta-tde package. See:
commit 480df2e321c2518991b2d35957ab2b01580b2536
Author: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
Date: Sun Nov 25 15:24:35 2012 -0600
Add Debian metapackage and move the Kubuntu metapackage to the correct
location On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Seems that this commit added the sudo dependency
commit 598dd003cf7926d87db817e29df47cbf195f936b
Author: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
Date: Thu Feb 21 00:08:21 2019 -0600
Add sudo to dependencies for LDAP bonding / controller packages
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
> Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do I
> need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO.
First install without the meta packages
Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo
while keep sudo-trinity.
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the
best order and
what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod
through but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get
installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap,
sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of
packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've
never had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a
fresh install of TDE. In any case, now is good time to change it.
Cool.
Cheers,
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Michael Howard
10:10 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: sudo
On 19/04/2020 10:25, deloptes wrote:
A year ago. Time flys.
I know practically nothing about git but doesn't that commit only apply
to kcontrol-ldap-*-trinity packages? Anyway, I need to just get to the
labourious task of individually installing packages, or not, as the case
may be, afterall, I don't acually need to have TDE.
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Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
<snip>
I have no
problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and
what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through
but if somebody has the info, great.
Don't like option two as there are shed loads of packages that get
installed by default.
Third option would work but still get sudo variants like sudo-ldap,
sudo-trinity ....... so a no go.
So, as previously said, if somebody can point me at the order/list of
packages to install?
Oh for the good old days. Actually, they're not that old cos I've never
had this issue in the past and it ain't that long since I did a fresh
install of TDE.
Seems that this commit added the sudo dependency
commit 598dd003cf7926d87db817e29df47cbf195f936b
Author: Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
Date: Thu Feb 21 00:08:21 2019 -0600
Add sudo to dependencies for LDAP bonding / controller packages
4:16 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: sudo
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:00:48 +0100
"Michael Howard via trinity-users"
<trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Package nomenclature will be different for your distro, but to get a
functional desktop, you'll need tqt, tqt-interface, tdelibs, and then the
individual tdebase packages:
drkonqi
kappfinder
kate
kcheckpass
kcminit
kcontrol
kdcop
kdesktop
kdialog
kfind
khelpcenter
khotkeys
kicker
klipper
kmenuedit
knetattach
konqueror
konsole
kpager
kpersonalizer
kreadconfig
krootbacking
ksmserver
ksplashml
kstart
ksysguard
ksystraycmd
ktip
kxkb
libkonq
nsplugins
tdebase-data
tdebase-starttde
tdebase-tdeioslaves
tdedebugdialog
tdeeject
tdeinit
tdepasswd
tdeprint
tdescreensaver
tdesu
tdm
tqt3integration
twin
Most of the tdebase packages depend on tdelibs, but not on each other.
konqueror depends on libkonq. kcontrol, khelpcenter, and I think two
or three more do depend on other tdebase packages, so dump those to
the end of the list as you find them.
Hope that helps.
E. Liddell
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Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and
what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through
but if somebody has the info, great. Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO.
First install without the meta packages
Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while
keep sudo-trinity.
4:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: sudo
On 19/04/2020 17:16, E. Liddell wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:00:48 +0100
"Michael Howard via trinity-users"
<trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
That's fantastic, thanks.
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On 19/04/2020 07:29, deloptes wrote:
Package nomenclature will be different for
your distro, but to get a
functional desktop, you'll need tqt, tqt-interface, tdelibs, and then the
individual tdebase packages:
drkonqi
kappfinder
kate
kcheckpass
kcminit
kcontrol
kdcop
kdesktop
kdialog
kfind
khelpcenter
khotkeys
kicker
klipper
kmenuedit
knetattach
konqueror
konsole
kpager
kpersonalizer
kreadconfig
krootbacking
ksmserver
ksplashml
kstart
ksysguard
ksystraycmd
ktip
kxkb
libkonq
nsplugins
tdebase-data
tdebase-starttde
tdebase-tdeioslaves
tdedebugdialog
tdeeject
tdeinit
tdepasswd
tdeprint
tdescreensaver
tdesu
tdm
tqt3integration
twin
Most of the tdebase packages depend on tdelibs, but not on each other.
konqueror depends on libkonq. kcontrol, khelpcenter, and I think two
or three more do depend on other tdebase packages, so dump those to
the end of the list as you find them.
Hope that helps.
E. Liddell
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Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
I have no problem with option 1, just need to know the best order and
what to install for a basic system. I could of course just plod through
but if somebody has the info, great. Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
There are two ways IMO.
First install without the meta packages
Second install via the meta package and remove what you do not want.
Third option I never tried, but people report that you can omit sudo while
keep sudo-trinity.
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