18 Apr
2020
18 Apr
'20
4:09 p.m.
On Saturday 18 April 2020 10:40:44 am Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Can you not just open a root console?
michael@local [~]# su -
Password:
root@local [~]#
Or maybe I'm just missing what you're trying to achieve?
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On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard
via trinity-users wrote:
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to 'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba
AC100) which has had some troubles of late. Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I have never installed sudo. As far
as I remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had
told Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry 
18 Apr
18 Apr
4:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] sudo
On 18/04/2020 17:09, Michael wrote:
On Saturday 18 April 2020 10:40:44 am Michael Howard
via trinity-users wrote:
Probably :)
I'm trying to install TDE on a Toshiba AC100 (that I had a few OS
problems with) but I don't want sudo on the system. However, having
managed to get sudo 'held' back, I now get;
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
tde-core-trinity : Depends: sudo-trinity but it is not going to be
installed
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Install the following packages:
1) sudo-ldap [1.8.27-1+deb10u2 (testing)]
2) sudo-trinity [4:14.0.7-0debian10.0.0+0 (<NULL>)]
Any devs care to comment before I go to the trouble of repackaging?
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On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Can you not just open a root console?
michael@local [~]# su -
Password:
root@local [~]#
Or maybe I'm just missing what you're trying to achieve?
On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard
via trinity-users wrote:
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to
'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba
AC100) which has had some troubles of late. Is there a simple way to install TDE without sudo
these days or do I
need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I
have never installed sudo. As far
as I remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as soon as I had
told Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your distribution?
Thierry 
4:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] sudo
On Saturday 18 of April 2020 18:13:53 Michael Howard via trinity-users
wrote:
Can you not just open a root console?
michael@local [~]# su -
Password:
root@local [~]#
Or maybe I'm just missing what you're trying to achieve?
Probably :)
I'm trying to install TDE on a Toshiba AC100 (that I had a few OS
problems with) but I don't want sudo on the system. However, having
managed to get sudo 'held' back, I now get;
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
tde-core-trinity : Depends: sudo-trinity but it is not going to be
installed
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Install the following packages:
1) sudo-ldap [1.8.27-1+deb10u2 (testing)]
2) sudo-trinity [4:14.0.7-0debian10.0.0+0 (<NULL>)]
Any devs care to comment before I go to the trouble of repackaging?
Hi,
that explains why I didn't notice the problem with removing sudo on my
machine - I usually don't use meta-packages.
I suppose there should be no problem to move sudo-trinity from Depends to
Recommends. Likewise, synaptic-trinity could be moved. Does anyone think
there are reasons not to do so?
Cheers
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Slávek
On 18/04/2020 17:09, Michael wrote:
> On Saturday 18 April 2020 10:40:44 am Michael Howard via trinity-users
wrote:
>> On 18/04/2020 16:33, Thierry de Coulon
wrote:
>>> On Saturday 18 April 2020 17.25:57 Michael Howard via trinity-users
wrote:
> Is there a
simple way to install TDE without sudo these days or do
> I need to build it all myself to avoid sudo?
I use TDE on Debian and OpenSuSE, and I have never installed sudo.
As far as I remember it worked on Ubuntu as well without sudo (as
soon as I had told Ubuntu not to use sudo as well). What's your
distribution?
Thierry
I'm using Devuan (armhf). sudo and sudo-trinity don't seem to 'hold'.
Need to do some more digging I guess. It might be my system (Toshiba
AC100) which has had some troubles of late. 
7:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: sudo
Slávek Banko wrote:
that explains why I didn't notice the problem with
removing sudo on my
machine - I usually don't use meta-packages.
I suppose there should be no problem to move sudo-trinity from Depends to
Recommends. Likewise, synaptic-trinity could be moved. Does anyone think
there are reasons not to do so?
why not move them to tde-trinity in Depends. otherwise you would not install
them per default as being done now.
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7:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: sudo
On 18/04/2020 20:22, deloptes wrote:
Slávek Banko wrote:
That's the point, _not_ installing by default. Why would/should TDE
_depend_ on sudo and co?
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that explains why I didn't notice the problem
with removing sudo on my
machine - I usually don't use meta-packages.
I suppose there should be no problem to move sudo-trinity from Depends to
Recommends. Likewise, synaptic-trinity could be moved. Does anyone think
there are reasons not to do so?
why not move them to tde-trinity in Depends.
otherwise you would not install
them per default as being done now.
9:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: sudo
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
That's the point, _not_ installing by default. Why
would/should TDE
_depend_ on sudo and co?
The idea was that you can install full scale tde by doing
apt install tde-trinity
and if you do not want all unnecessary packages you would do something like
apt install tde-core-trinity.
At least this was my understanding.
regards
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9:26 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: sudo
On 18/04/2020 22:04, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity (and sudo-ldap?) so I
still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a
basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage
at my leisure.
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That's the point, _not_ installing by
default. Why would/should TDE
_depend_ on sudo and co?
The idea was that you can install full scale tde by
doing
apt install tde-trinity
and if you do not want all unnecessary packages you would do something like
apt install tde-core-trinity.
At least this was my understanding.
9:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Re: sudo
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity (and
sudo-ldap?) so I
still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a
basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage
at my leisure.
tde-trinity and tde-core-trinity are meta packages. So what Slavek suggested
is to change those to Recommended and I suggest to move them to
tde-trinity. This way you could install all you need by installing
tde-core-trinity without sudo dependencies.
If you want to do it your way, it is sufficient to repackage
tde-core-trinity and set them in Recommended as Slavek suggested.
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10:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Re: sudo
On 18/04/2020 22:58, deloptes wrote:
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
There seems to be some confusion here :)
I know tde-trinity is a meta package and using that package is how the
installation is described on the TDE website.
However, using that package installs sudo, by default and despite
'holding' sudo, tde-core-trinity wants to install other sudo relate
packages. I don't want sudo.
So, to be clear, I'm simply asking how to install TDE (these days)
WITHOUT sudo. Ideally, I don't want to repackage anything.
Regards,
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Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity
(and sudo-ldap?) so I
still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a
basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage
at my leisure.
tde-trinity and tde-core-trinity are meta packages. So what Slavek
suggested
is to change those to Recommended and I suggest to move them to
tde-trinity. This way you could install all you need by installing
tde-core-trinity without sudo dependencies.
If you want to do it your way, it is sufficient to repackage
tde-core-trinity and set them in Recommended as Slavek suggested.
11:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Re: sudo
On 2020-04-18 17:41:12 Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
On 18/04/2020 22:58, deloptes wrote:
I believe that the recommendation to change packages from Required to
Recommended is a suggestion to the developers, not to you.
Leslie
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Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
There seems to be some confusion here :)
I know tde-trinity is a meta package and using that package is how the
installation is described on the TDE website.
However, using that package installs sudo, by default and despite
'holding' sudo, tde-core-trinity wants to install other sudo relate
packages. I don't want sudo.
So, to be clear, I'm simply asking how to install TDE (these days)
WITHOUT sudo. Ideally, I don't want to repackage anything.
Regards, Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity
(and sudo-ldap?) so I
still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a
basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage
at my leisure.
tde-trinity and tde-core-trinity are meta packages. So what Slavek
suggested is to change those to Recommended and I suggest to move them to
tde-trinity. This way you could install all you need by installing
tde-core-trinity without sudo dependencies.
If you want to do it your way, it is sufficient to repackage
tde-core-trinity and set them in Recommended as Slavek suggested.
19 Apr
19 Apr
7:50 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Re: sudo
On 19/04/2020 00:20, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-04-18 17:41:12 Michael Howard via
trinity-users wrote:
Yes, I understood that. I was replying to somebody who seemed not to.
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On 18/04/2020 22:58, deloptes wrote:
I believe that the recommendation to change packages from Required to
Recommended is a suggestion to the developers, not to you.
Leslie
Michael Howard via trinity-users wrote:
There seems to
be some confusion here :)
I know tde-trinity is a meta package and using that package is how the
installation is described on the TDE website.
However, using that package installs sudo, by default and despite
'holding' sudo, tde-core-trinity wants to install other sudo relate
packages. I don't want sudo.
So, to be clear, I'm simply asking how to install TDE (these days)
WITHOUT sudo. Ideally, I don't want to repackage anything.
Regards, Well tde-core-trinity depends on sudo-trinity
(and sudo-ldap?) so I
still get sudo that way.
If somebody could remind me of the individual list of packages for a
basic install (where it's documented) I can do it that way and repackage
at my leisure.
tde-trinity and tde-core-trinity are meta packages. So what Slavek
suggested is to change those to Recommended and I suggest to move them to
tde-trinity. This way you could install all you need by installing
tde-core-trinity without sudo dependencies.
If you want to do it your way, it is sufficient to repackage
tde-core-trinity and set them in Recommended as Slavek suggested.
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