29 Jun
2015
29 Jun
'15
10:29 p.m.
greets!
I'm using David Hare's exegnu with Jessie but for this purpose
anything Trinity-esque will do.
I'd like to make a live flashdrive that will be wifi-ready so it's got
to have the atheros firmware. not quite sure how to achieve this.
doing up a live flashdrive is easy, it's getting the non-free firmware
stuff to run that's the problem.
quick tips?
f.
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Inside every old person is a young person... Wondering what the heck
happened.
30 Jun
30 Jun
2:20 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
(Sorry for top-posting; I'm on my phone)
I suggest you to use Unetbootin.
This utility let you transfer almost any LiveCd to a usb key and make it bootable. Please
note that sometimes it doesn't work on first try.
On this website, in the download section, you will be able to find a selection of livecd.
If you use my PCLinuxOS remaster, all the needed firmwares are installed stock. Probably
on the Ubuntu livecd too.
Good luck!
-Alexandre
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:29:57 -0400
From: davisf(a)union.edu
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
greets!
I'm using David Hare's exegnu with Jessie but for this purpose
anything Trinity-esque will do.
I'd like to make a live flashdrive that will be wifi-ready so it's got
to have the atheros firmware. not quite sure how to achieve this.
doing up a live flashdrive is easy, it's getting the non-free firmware
stuff to run that's the problem.
quick tips?
f.
--
Felmon Davis
Inside every old person is a young person... Wondering what the heck
happened.
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4:50 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Alexandre wrote:
(Sorry for top-posting; I'm on my phone)
I suggest you to use Unetbootin. This utility let you transfer
almost any LiveCd to a usb key and make it bootable. Please note
that sometimes it doesn't work on first try.
yes, I know unetbootin; the issue is getting the wifi firmware to run.
On this website, in the download section, you will be
able to find a
selection of livecd. If you use my PCLinuxOS remaster, all the
needed firmwares are installed stock. Probably on the Ubuntu livecd
too.
ok, I may settle for PCL but my preference would be to know how to
integrate the firmware into the livecd and use exegnu. I'll avoid
Ubuntu in any case.
f.
Good luck!
-Alexandre
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:29:57 -0400
From: davisf(a)union.edu
To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
greets!
I'm using David Hare's exegnu with Jessie but for this purpose
anything Trinity-esque will do.
I'd like to make a live flashdrive that will be wifi-ready so it's got
to have the atheros firmware. not quite sure how to achieve this.
doing up a live flashdrive is easy, it's getting the non-free firmware
stuff to run that's the problem.
quick tips?
f.
--
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Inside every old person is a young person... Wondering what the heck
happened.
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5:31 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On 29 June 2015 at 22:50, Felmon Davis <davisf(a)union.edu> wrote:
<snip>
ok, I may settle for PCL but my preference would be to
know how to integrate
the firmware into the livecd and use exegnu. I'll avoid Ubuntu in any case.
<snip>
Check my latest post under "New amd64 exegnulinux devuan-based iso
with TDE". If you have access to a distro with the non-free files,
maybe you can copy them to the live flashdrive. Or copy them over
after installation.
R.
5:55 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Robert Peters wrote:
On 29 June 2015 at 22:50, Felmon Davis
<davisf(a)union.edu> wrote:
<snip>
I saw your post and congratulations for solving your problem.
in my case:
a) I don't think one can just copy stuff over to a livecd and have it
work. one has to deal with the special filesystem on a livecd; and
b) I don't want to install the system, I want to boot it, for instance
on a friend's Windows machine without disturbing their setup.
f.
--
Felmon Davis
"There is nothing new under the sun, but there are lots of old things
we don't know yet."
-- Ambrose Bierce
ok, I may settle for PCL but my preference would
be to know how to integrate
the firmware into the livecd and use exegnu. I'll avoid Ubuntu in any case.
<snip>
Check my latest post under "New amd64 exegnulinux devuan-based iso
with TDE". If you have access to a distro with the non-free files,
maybe you can copy them to the live flashdrive. Or copy them over
after installation.
R. 
10:57 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:55:29 -0400 (EDT)
Felmon Davis <davisf(a)union.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Robert Peters wrote:
I wouldn't say it's "special", exactly--usually you've got an iso
with a
squashfs blob containing a pretty normal linux filesystem inside. I've
never actually tried this, but based on a little reading, the modification
steps would be something like this:
1. Mount the iso read-only
2. Copy all the files to a temporary directory in your computer's main
file system
3. Mount the squashfs (on the non-current exegnu image I probed,
it was in /mnt/temp/live )
4. Copy the files out of the squashfs and into a temporary directory,
since that file system is read-only
5. Mess around with the files as you would on any other system
6. Rebuild the squashfs ( http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SquashFS-HOWTO/
has fairly extensive directions) and copy it over the old one.
7. Rebuild the iso using the software of your choice (a different livecd
distro suggests a command-line tool called xorriso, if you have no
preference or can't get your favourite to produce something bootable)
You'll need to have support for squashfs in your kernel, but most
of the binary distros throw in everything but the kitchen sink anyway.
Best of luck.
E. Liddell
On 29 June 2015 at 22:50, Felmon Davis
<davisf(a)union.edu> wrote:
<snip>
I saw your post and congratulations for solving your problem.
in my case:
a) I don't think one can just copy stuff over to a livecd and have it
work. one has to deal with the special filesystem on a livecd; and ok, I may settle for PCL but my preference would
be to know how to integrate
the firmware into the livecd and use exegnu. I'll avoid Ubuntu in any case.
<snip>
Check my latest post under "New amd64 exegnulinux devuan-based iso
with TDE". If you have access to a distro with the non-free files,
maybe you can copy them to the live flashdrive. Or copy them over
after installation.
R.
7:01 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, E. Liddell wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:55:29 -0400 (EDT)
Felmon Davis <davisf(a)union.edu> wrote:
[...]
I once saw some instructions like this; a couple of steps are unclear
to me but I don't have the time right now to muddle through but will
attempt it when I get some 'hacking' time.
a) I don't think one can just copy stuff over
to a livecd and have it
work. one has to deal with the special filesystem on a livecd; and
I wouldn't say it's "special", exactly--usually you've got an iso
with a
squashfs blob containing a pretty normal linux filesystem inside. I've
never actually tried this, but based on a little reading, the modification
steps would be something like this:
1. Mount the iso read-only
2. Copy all the files to a temporary directory in your computer's main
file system
3. Mount the squashfs (on the non-current exegnu image I probed,
it was in /mnt/temp/live )
4. Copy the files out of the squashfs and into a temporary directory,
since that file system is read-only
5. Mess around with the files as you would on any other system
6. Rebuild the squashfs ( http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SquashFS-HOWTO/
has fairly extensive directions) and copy it over the old one.
7. Rebuild the iso using the software of your choice (a different livecd
distro suggests a command-line tool called xorriso, if you have no
preference or can't get your favourite to produce something bootable) You'll need to have support for squashfs in your
kernel, but most
of the binary distros throw in everything but the kitchen sink anyway.
looks like it's in the kernel here: 3.16.0-4-686-pae.
f.
Best of luck.
E. Liddell
--
Felmon Davis
Dog wisdom: Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joyride.
4:14 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On 30/06/15 06:55, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Robert Peters wrote:
Just copy the debs to your usb stick and install with dpkg -i .. you can
install what you want in a live session. The aufs filesystem holds
changes in ram until poweroff/reboot. However you can use "persistence"
(see live-boot man page) which will write changes to a file or partition
and reload them next boot.
There is on my live-image a utility "exegnu2usb" It is a normal bash
script rather than binary blob. I haven't tested it lately on Jessie
though. Unetbootin does nothing that can't be done from standard cli tools.
Here I use a 64gb usb with multiple live systems, some with persistence,
selectable at boot from menu. All on a single partition. You can't do
that with unetbootin nor dd.
There is also a remaster utility "refracta-snapshot" with which you may
build a new ISO from the running live session, with whatever you want
preinstalled (you need a mounted ext* partition for the "work" area).
This is quite well tested and works very well for a "personal", portable
live-image.
I don't know much about PCLOS or if such utilities are available. The
exegnu images are deliberately designed to be "lightweight" and cd-size
compared to Alexandre's images. Whatever your needs, choice is good.
On 29 June 2015 at 22:50, Felmon Davis
<davisf(a)union.edu> wrote:
<snip>
I saw your post and congratulations for solving your problem.
in my case:
a) I don't think one can just copy stuff over to a livecd and have it
work. one has to deal with the special filesystem on a livecd; and
b) I don't want to install the system, I want to boot it, for instance
on a friend's Windows machine without disturbing their setup.
f.
ok, I may settle for PCL but my preference would
be to know how to
integrate
the firmware into the livecd and use exegnu. I'll avoid Ubuntu in any
case.
<snip>
Check my latest post under "New amd64 exegnulinux devuan-based iso
with TDE". If you have access to a distro with the non-free files,
maybe you can copy them to the live flashdrive. Or copy them over
after installation.
R. And exegnu is now too purist for this purpose.
Sorry Lisi.. I don't mean to be idealogically "purist". Till recently
exegnu was for current mainstream Debian Stable but since Jessie I just
don't want to work with systemd and have opted to support Devuan.
Unless you mean not including nonfree (which I never did anyway). Exegnu
is a non-profit project which supports GPL and has no lawyers on the
payroll.
D
4:23 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On Tuesday 30 June 2015 17:14:48 David Hare wrote:
That wasn't a criticism, David. I love your CD, though I don't agree with you
about Devuan. But as you say, choice is great. The crucial words were "for
*this* purpose".
I used to use Knoppix for years. But I can'cope with all that bling.
Lisi
And exegnu is
now too purist for this purpose.
Sorry Lisi.. I don't mean to be idealogically "purist". Till recently
exegnu was for current mainstream Debian Stable but since Jessie I just
don't want to work with systemd and have opted to support Devuan.
Unless you mean not including nonfree (which I never did anyway). Exegnu
is a non-profit project which supports GPL and has no lawyers on the
payroll.
1 Jul
1 Jul
12:54 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, David Hare wrote:
On 30/06/15 06:55, Felmon Davis wrote:
thanks, this makes good sense.
I'm a bit pressed for time but I'll experiment with the things you
mention below when I have opportunity.
f.
[...]
in my case:
a) I don't think one can just copy stuff over to a livecd and have it
work. one has to deal with the special filesystem on a livecd; and
b) I don't want to install the system, I want to boot it, for instance
on a friend's Windows machine without disturbing their setup.
f.
Just copy the debs to your usb stick and install with dpkg -i .. you can
install what you want in a live session. The aufs filesystem holds changes in
ram until poweroff/reboot. However you can use "persistence" (see live-boot
man page) which will write changes to a file or partition and reload them
next boot. There is on my live-image a utility
"exegnu2usb" It is a normal bash script
rather than binary blob. I haven't tested it lately on Jessie though.
Unetbootin does nothing that can't be done from standard cli tools.
Here I use a 64gb usb with multiple live systems, some with persistence,
selectable at boot from menu. All on a single partition. You can't do that
with unetbootin nor dd.
There is also a remaster utility "refracta-snapshot" with which you may build
a new ISO from the running live session, with whatever you want preinstalled
(you need a mounted ext* partition for the "work" area). This is quite well
tested and works very well for a "personal", portable live-image.
I don't know much about PCLOS or if such utilities are available. The exegnu
images are deliberately designed to be "lightweight" and cd-size compared to
Alexandre's images. Whatever your needs, choice is good.
--
Felmon Davis
And exegnu is now too purist for this purpose.
Sorry Lisi.. I don't mean to be idealogically "purist". Till recently
exegnu
was for current mainstream Debian Stable but since Jessie I just don't want
to work with systemd and have opted to support Devuan.
Unless you mean not including nonfree (which I never did anyway). Exegnu is a
non-profit project which supports GPL and has no lawyers on the payroll.
D
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4:03 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On 01/07/15 01:54, Felmon Davis wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, David Hare wrote:
On 30/06/15 06:55, Felmon Davis wrote:
thanks, this makes good sense.
I'm a bit pressed for time but I'll experiment with the things you
mention below when I have opportunity.
f.
[...]
in my case:
a) I don't think one can just copy stuff over to a livecd and have it
work. one has to deal with the special filesystem on a livecd; and
b) I don't want to install the system, I want to boot it, for instance
on a friend's Windows machine without disturbing their setup.
f.
Just copy the debs to your usb stick and install with dpkg -i .. you
can install what you want in a live session. The aufs filesystem
holds changes in ram until poweroff/reboot. However you can use
"persistence" (see live-boot man page) which will write changes to a
file or partition and reload them next boot. There is on my live-image a utility
"exegnu2usb" It is a normal bash
script rather than binary blob. I haven't tested it lately on Jessie
though. Unetbootin does nothing that can't be done from standard cli
tools.
Here I use a 64gb usb with multiple live systems, some with
persistence, selectable at boot from menu. All on a single partition.
You can't do that with unetbootin nor dd.
There is also a remaster utility "refracta-snapshot" with which you
may build a new ISO from the running live session, with whatever you
want preinstalled (you need a mounted ext* partition for the "work"
area). This is quite well tested and works very well for a
"personal", portable live-image.
I don't know much about PCLOS or if such utilities are available. The
exegnu images are deliberately designed to be "lightweight" and
cd-size compared to Alexandre's images. Whatever your needs, choice
is good.
And exegnu is now too purist for this purpose.
Sorry Lisi.. I don't mean to be idealogically "purist". Till recently
exegnu was for current mainstream Debian Stable but since Jessie I
just don't want to work with systemd and have opted to support Devuan.
Unless you mean not including nonfree (which I never did anyway).
Exegnu is a non-profit project which supports GPL and has no lawyers
on the payroll.
D
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I know that on PCLinuxOS I use mklvecd and make my ISO's that way
after making the image I want with or without none-free drivers, I
then use the pclos usb creator to make a bootable usb stick or HD to
install on to other machines, really easy to do :) I built the
trinity ISO's from the triniyy and pclinuxos repos
30 Jun
30 Jun
7:29 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On Tuesday 30 June 2015 03:20:54 Alexandre wrote:
On this website, in the download section, you will be
able to find a
selection of livecd. If you use my PCLinuxOS remaster, all the needed
firmwares are installed stock. Probably on the Ubuntu livecd too.
Alexandre -
Your CD has indeed been a mainstay of mine for a quick boot-up now the Knoppix
Live CD is so flashy.
But you no longer do a CD, and whilst a DVD gives the best basis for an
installation, because it has a realistic choice of applications, it is just
too big and slow for live rescue work, or for demonstrating TDE on old
hardware.
And exegnu is now too purist for this purpose.
Those being my mainstays!
What do people now use and recommend?
Lisi
4:12 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] live flashdrive with exegnu (or something)
On 30/06/15 08:29, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 30 June 2015 03:20:54 Alexandre wrote:
On this website, in the download section, you
will be able to find a
selection of livecd. If you use my PCLinuxOS remaster, all the needed
firmwares are installed stock. Probably on the Ubuntu livecd too.
Alexandre -
Your CD has indeed been a mainstay of mine for a quick boot-up now the Knoppix
Live CD is so flashy.
But you no longer do a CD, and whilst a DVD gives the best basis for an
installation, because it has a realistic choice of applications, it is just
too big and slow for live rescue work, or for demonstrating TDE on old
hardware.
And exegnu is now too purist for this purpose.
Those being my mainstays!
What do people now use and recommend?
Lisi
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I of course use mine, however there is a minime version too that can be used as a base
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