Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives) I'm having problems receiving messages from the list(s).
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives) I'm having problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy of the this reply
Andrew
On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives) I'm having problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy of the this reply
Andrew
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure :)
I'm now sorted, I added an exception to my mail server to allow emails from the list despite the rDNS failure. I'm considering turning the checks off completely as other valid mails are being rejected too. It's a trade off between spending half my time adding exceptions or receiving extra spam.
Mike.
On Thursday 03 December 2015 05:54:08 Michael Howard wrote:
On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives) I'm having problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy of the this reply
Andrew
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure :)
I'm now sorted, I added an exception to my mail server to allow emails from the list despite the rDNS failure. I'm considering turning the checks off completely as other valid mails are being rejected too. It's a trade off between spending half my time adding exceptions or receiving extra spam.
Mike.
One of the things I do here, because the html from gglgroups is so broken it often can't be read, I have a mailfilter rule that nukes messages originating there. While still on the ISP's machines. I see the reject in the logs, but not the unreadable trash their agent emits.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:54:08 +0000 Michael Howard mike@dewberryfields.co.uk wrote:
On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives) I'm having problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy of the this reply
Andrew
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure :)
No, their problem, IIRC, is that the DKIM signature in the header does not match the message, giving the impression it's been tampered with (which, technically, it has been).
E. Liddell
On Thursday 03 December 2015 11:47:12 E. Liddell wrote:
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:54:08 +0000
Michael Howard mike@dewberryfields.co.uk wrote:
On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives) I'm having problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy of the this reply
Andrew
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure :)
No, their problem, IIRC, is that the DKIM signature in the header does not match the message, giving the impression it's been tampered with (which, technically, it has been).
E. Liddell
No, although all these things are true in general, they are not the problem referred to by Andrew.
Gmail deliberately does not send you copies of your own emails. This is policy, not a bug, according to Gmail. It also suppresses all other "duplicates". (What you send is a duplicate because it will be in your sent folder.)
The _solution_, not the problem, is to use a different smtp server, not Gmail's smtp server. This results in the DKIM signature not matching as E Liddell says, but Gmail then sends you your postings and I get copies of everything I send to the list. The non-matching DKIM signature *very* occasionally causes me problems elsewhere.
Lisi
On 03/12/15 12:29, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 03 December 2015 11:47:12 E. Liddell wrote:
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:54:08 +0000
Michael Howard mike@dewberryfields.co.uk wrote:
On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives) I'm having problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy of the this reply
Andrew
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure :)
No, their problem, IIRC, is that the DKIM signature in the header does not match the message, giving the impression it's been tampered with (which, technically, it has been).
E. Liddell
No, although all these things are true in general, they are not the problem referred to by Andrew.
Gmail deliberately does not send you copies of your own emails. This is policy, not a bug, according to Gmail. It also suppresses all other "duplicates". (What you send is a duplicate because it will be in your sent folder.)
The _solution_, not the problem, is to use a different smtp server, not Gmail's smtp server. This results in the DKIM signature not matching as E Liddell says, but Gmail then sends you your postings and I get copies of everything I send to the list. The non-matching DKIM signature *very* occasionally causes me problems elsewhere.
Lisi
Thanks Lisi
That's interesting. I've just changed my SMTP server, maybe I'll see this reply. Or perhaps it'll be lost.
Andrew
On Thu December 3 2015 02:54:08 Michael Howard wrote:
I'm now sorted, I added an exception to my mail server to allow emails from the list despite the rDNS failure. I'm considering turning the checks off completely as other valid mails are being rejected too. It's a trade off between spending half my time adding exceptions or receiving extra spam.
rDNS checks are run on the connecting IP, they are good at stopping spam, and pearsoncomputing.net passes them.
SMTP HELO FCrDNS checks are bad. mail.pearsoncomputing.net currently fails them, Tim can easily fix that, but you'll still run into problems with lots of other mail servers and probably also with postmaster emergency communications if you enable SMTP HELO FCrDNS checks.
I suggest that you enable rDNS checks and disable SMTP HELO checks.
--Mike
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