2 Dec
2015
2 Dec
'15
8:25 p.m.
Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives) I'm having
problems receiving messages from the list(s).
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Mike Howard
3 Dec
3 Dec
10:47 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Please Ignore - Just Testing
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives)
I'm having
problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving
their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy
of the this reply
Andrew
10:54 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Please Ignore - Just Testing
On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure :)
I'm now sorted, I added an exception to my mail server to allow emails
from the list despite the rDNS failure. I'm considering turning the
checks off completely as other valid mails are being rejected too. It's
a trade off between spending half my time adding exceptions or receiving
extra spam.
Mike.
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Mike Howard
Please excuse and ignore this message (if it
arrives) I'm having
problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving
their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy
of the this reply
Andrew 
11:11 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Please Ignore - Just Testing
On Thursday 03 December 2015 05:54:08 Michael Howard wrote:
On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
One of the things I do here, because the html from gglgroups is so broken
it often can't be read, I have a mailfilter rule that nukes messages
originating there. While still on the ISP's machines. I see the reject
in the logs, but not the unreadable trash their agent emits.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure
:)
I'm now sorted, I added an exception to my mail server to allow emails
from the list despite the rDNS failure. I'm considering turning the
checks off completely as other valid mails are being rejected too.
It's a trade off between spending half my time adding exceptions or
receiving extra spam.
Mike. Please excuse and ignore this message (if it
arrives) I'm having
problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving
their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a
copy of the this reply
Andrew 
11:47 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Please Ignore - Just Testing
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:54:08 +0000
Michael Howard <mike(a)dewberryfields.co.uk> wrote:
On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
No, their problem, IIRC, is that the DKIM signature in the header does not
match the message, giving the impression it's been tampered with (which,
technically, it has been).
E. Liddell
On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure :) Please excuse and ignore this message (if it
arrives) I'm having
problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving
their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy
of the this reply
Andrew 
12:29 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Please Ignore - Just Testing
On Thursday 03 December 2015 11:47:12 E. Liddell wrote:
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:54:08 +0000
Michael Howard <mike(a)dewberryfields.co.uk> wrote:
No, although all these things are true in general, they are not the problem
referred to by Andrew.
Gmail deliberately does not send you copies of your own emails. This is
policy, not a bug, according to Gmail. It also suppresses all
other "duplicates". (What you send is a duplicate because it will be in your
sent folder.)
The _solution_, not the problem, is to use a different smtp server, not
Gmail's smtp server. This results in the DKIM signature not matching as E
Liddell says, but Gmail then sends you your postings and I get copies of
everything I send to the list. The non-matching DKIM signature *very*
occasionally causes me problems elsewhere.
Lisi
On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
No, their problem, IIRC, is that the DKIM signature in the header does not
match the message, giving the impression it's been tampered with (which,
technically, it has been).
E. Liddell On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure :) Please excuse and ignore this message (if it
arrives) I'm having
problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving
their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy
of the this reply
Andrew
1 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Please Ignore - Just Testing
On 03/12/15 12:29, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 03 December 2015 11:47:12 E. Liddell
wrote:
Thanks Lisi
That's interesting. I've just changed my SMTP server, maybe I'll see
this reply. Or perhaps it'll be lost.
Andrew
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:54:08 +0000
Michael Howard <mike(a)dewberryfields.co.uk> wrote:
No, although all these things are true in general, they are not the problem
referred to by Andrew.
Gmail deliberately does not send you copies of your own emails. This is
policy, not a bug, according to Gmail. It also suppresses all
other "duplicates". (What you send is a duplicate because it will be in your
sent folder.)
The _solution_, not the problem, is to use a different smtp server, not
Gmail's smtp server. This results in the DKIM signature not matching as E
Liddell says, but Gmail then sends you your postings and I get copies of
everything I send to the list. The non-matching DKIM signature *very*
occasionally causes me problems elsewhere.
Lisi On 03/12/2015 10:47, Andrew Young wrote:
No, their problem, IIRC, is that the DKIM signature in the header does not
match the message, giving the impression it's been tampered with (which,
technically, it has been).
E. Liddell On 02/12/15 20:25, Michael Howard wrote:
> Please excuse and ignore this message (if it arrives) I'm having
> problems receiving messages from the list(s).
Google mail users and Google hosting customers have issues receiving
their replies to the Trinity mail lists. I know I won't receive a copy
of the this reply
Andrew
Maybe Google are rejecting emails from the list due to an rDNS failure :) 
8:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Please Ignore - Just Testing
On Thu December 3 2015 02:54:08 Michael Howard wrote:
I'm now sorted, I added an exception to my mail
server to allow emails
from the list despite the rDNS failure. I'm considering turning the
checks off completely as other valid mails are being rejected too. It's
a trade off between spending half my time adding exceptions or receiving
extra spam.
rDNS checks are run on the connecting IP, they are good at
stopping spam, and pearsoncomputing.net passes them.
SMTP HELO FCrDNS checks are bad. mail.pearsoncomputing.net
currently fails them, Tim can easily fix that, but you'll
still run into problems with lots of other mail servers
and probably also with postmaster emergency communications
if you enable SMTP HELO FCrDNS checks.
I suggest that you enable rDNS checks and disable SMTP
HELO checks.
--Mike
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