Greets, folks . . .
I'll not mention the three hours I spent yesterday trying to get the Thinkpad wireless working again -- it had been off for a few days -- or the multitude of diagnostics I ran, or how at the end I remembered the little physical switch that turns wifi off and on. It was on, but when I switched it off and then on again the wifi was suddenly fine. So, a reminder: flip off/on switches at least once every 15 years or so.
No, won't mention that. But will mention something else that is driving me (further) insane: On the Thinkpad I now have *two* keyring popups, one, presumably gnomish, that wants my user password when I start the network, and the other, genuine TDE, that pops up when I start KMail. It, too, wants my user password but not my mail password. After entering these, all proceeds as hoped.
I'd like to make them go away. I have searched the machine for any kind og keyring configuration file for either of these things, and have come up empty. The TDE Wallet Service version says "The application 'kmail' had requested to open the wallet 'kdewallet.' Please enter the password for this wallet below."
Anyone know how I can make these things stop? I don't have anything running that I don't have running on the desktop machine, where I do not get the popups. -- dep
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On Wednesday 29 March 2023 15:34:38 dep via tde-users wrote:
something else that is driving me (further) insane: On the Thinkpad I now have *two* keyring popups, one, presumably gnomish, that wants my user password when I start the network, and the other, genuine TDE, that pops up when I start KMail. It, too, wants my user password but not my mail password. After entering these, all proceeds as hoped.
I'd like to make them go away. I have searched the machine for any kind og keyring configuration file for either of these things, and have come up empty. The TDE Wallet Service version says "The application 'kmail' had requested to open the wallet 'kdewallet.' Please enter the password for this wallet below."
Anyone know how I can make these things stop? I don't have anything running that I don't have running on the desktop machine, where I do not get the popups. -- dep
Yes, I remember this one well. Don't know why it happens in the Debian/Devuan setup, but not in (K)ubuntu. Annoying as hell, when it's not something you wanted, don't remember downloading it, etc.
It's been awhile since I dealt with this one, though; but as I recall, just uninstall gnome-keyring. There's also another, gnome-keyring-pkcs11 and also network-manager-gnome, but I believe that these others don't get installed almost by default, as it were.
You might be tempted to purge your system of everything Gnomish (and I only wish I could), but it seems that some Gnome dependencies are used on practically all systems. I did try weeding out everything Gnomish, and it's like stepping in quicksand.
Start by purging those packages, one-at-a-time, and see the issue disappears.
Bill
said William Morder via tde-users:
| It's been awhile since I dealt with this one, though; but as I recall, | just uninstall gnome-keyring. There's also another, gnome-keyring-pkcs11 | and also network-manager-gnome, but I believe that these others don't | get installed almost by default, as it were. | | You might be tempted to purge your system of everything Gnomish (and I | only wish I could), but it seems that some Gnome dependencies are used | on practically all systems. I did try weeding out everything Gnomish, | and it's like stepping in quicksand. | | Start by purging those packages, one-at-a-time, and see the issue | disappears.
yeppers, nuking gnome-keyring seems to have killed *that* popup. now, to be rid of trinity-keyring. is it safe to similarly dispatch it? -- dep
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yeppers, nuking gnome-keyring seems to have killed *that* popup. now, to be rid of trinity-keyring. is it safe to similarly dispatch it? -- dep
I figured maybe I ought to give you a little while to get and read that second email I sent regard the Trinity tdewallet keyring.
If you don't use it to store your email passwords, no so much a problem, then. There are other password managers, etc. But you also use the tdewallet password to protect against changes to your email configuration.
Any changes in Kmail, account settings, port settings, whatever, and you will be asked for your tdewallet password. And, as I said before, this ought to be different from your other passwords, whether user password, admin password, or whatever.
Bill
said William Morder via tde-users:
| I figured maybe I ought to give you a little while to get and read that | second email I sent regard the Trinity tdewallet keyring. | | If you don't use it to store your email passwords, no so much a problem, | then. There are other password managers, etc. But you also use the | tdewallet password to protect against changes to your email | configuration. | | Any changes in Kmail, account settings, port settings, whatever, and you | will be asked for your tdewallet password. And, as I said before, this | ought to be different from your other passwords, whether user password, | admin password, or whatever.
My mail setup is unusual. I'm using ProtonMail via the ProtonMail Bridge, which is an encryption layer that lives on my machine and encrypts everything before it leaves the computer. I don't know if anyone else is using it with KMail; I know that no one was when I set it up initially and even now, a couple years later, the bridge application is not officially supported on Linux on anything other than Thunderbird. And it has a chain of passwords that are not understood by TDE. And a different password manager is needed for other stuff (though a good TDE front end for KeePass would be a useful thing; more useful, I think, than some obscure wallet thing).
Thanks very much. -- dep
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On Wednesday 29 March 2023 17:12:02 you wrote:
| Any changes in Kmail, account settings, port settings, whatever, and you | will be asked for your tdewallet password. And, as I said before, this | ought to be different from your other passwords, whether user password, | admin password, or whatever.
My mail setup is unusual. I'm using ProtonMail via the ProtonMail Bridge, which is an encryption layer that lives on my machine and encrypts everything before it leaves the computer. I don't know if anyone else is using it with KMail; I know that no one was when I set it up initially and even now, a couple years later, the bridge application is not officially supported on Linux on anything other than Thunderbird. And it has a chain of passwords that are not understood by TDE. And a different password manager is needed for other stuff (though a good TDE front end for KeePass would be a useful thing; more useful, I think, than some obscure wallet thing).
Yes, you are probably better served by your own setup. And one of these days I need to set myself to do some proper email encryption. But I believe I tried ProtonMail, and found it to be cumbersome. (I seem to recall that Nik offered to give us all a lesson in this matter...? although I tend to do things on my own time, so maybe before I die I will get all my stuff straight.)
Anyway, so you don't need the tdewallet for that. But still (I believe) you ought to use it to protect your Kmail against changes in your configuration settings. I don't know quite how ProtonMail interacts with Kmail, though, so maybe others know better.
My gut instinct, though, is to say that you ought to hang onto that tdewallet. I suppose you could always uninstall it, see what happens, then reinstall if something gets messed up.
Bill
On Wednesday 29 March 2023 17:12:02 you wrote:
| Any changes in Kmail, account settings, port settings, whatever, and you | will be asked for your tdewallet password. And, as I said before, this | ought to be different from your other passwords, whether user password, | admin password, or whatever.
My mail setup is unusual. I'm using ProtonMail via the ProtonMail Bridge, which is an encryption layer that lives on my machine and encrypts everything before it leaves the computer. I don't know if anyone else is using it with KMail; I know that no one was when I set it up initially and even now, a couple years later, the bridge application is not officially supported on Linux on anything other than Thunderbird. And it has a chain of passwords that are not understood by TDE. And a different password manager is needed for other stuff (though a good TDE front end for KeePass would be a useful thing; more useful, I think, than some obscure wallet thing).
Yes, you are probably better served by your own setup. And one of these days I need to set myself to do some proper email encryption. But I believe I tried ProtonMail, and found it to be cumbersome. (I seem to recall that Nik offered to give us all a lesson in this matter...? although I tend to do things on my own time, so maybe before I die I will get all my stuff straight.)
Anyway, so you don't need the tdewallet for that. But still (I believe) you ought to use it to protect your Kmail against changes in your configuration settings. I don't know quite how ProtonMail interacts with Kmail, though, so maybe others know better.
My gut instinct, though, is to say that you ought to hang onto that tdewallet. I suppose you could always uninstall it, see what happens, then reinstall if something gets messed up.
Bill
dep via tde-users wrote:
yeppers, nuking gnome-keyring seems to have killed *that* popup. now, to be rid of trinity-keyring. is it safe to similarly dispatch it?
you can enable disable the tdewallet in the control center. If you don't use it, you will be asked for passwords all the time. If you use it, you will be asked once and it will handle the system requests to provide passwords to TDE apps.
On Wednesday 29 March 2023 23:18:46 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
dep via tde-users wrote:
yeppers, nuking gnome-keyring seems to have killed *that* popup. now, to be rid of trinity-keyring. is it safe to similarly dispatch it?
you can enable disable the tdewallet in the control center. If you don't use it, you will be asked for passwords all the time. If you use it, you will be asked once and it will handle the system requests to provide passwords to TDE apps.
Now you have got my curiosity. I was aware that tdewallet managed passwords for Kmail (as well as Kshowmail), and that it protected those apps against unwanted changes; but I have yet to discover what other TDE apps it controls - or, maybe, what other apps that it can be used to control.
Please tell us!
Bill
Anno domini 2023 Wed, 29 Mar 23:41:23 -0700 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Wednesday 29 March 2023 23:18:46 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
dep via tde-users wrote:
yeppers, nuking gnome-keyring seems to have killed *that* popup. now, to be rid of trinity-keyring. is it safe to similarly dispatch it?
you can enable disable the tdewallet in the control center. If you don't use it, you will be asked for passwords all the time. If you use it, you will be asked once and it will handle the system requests to provide passwords to TDE apps.
Now you have got my curiosity. I was aware that tdewallet managed passwords for Kmail (as well as Kshowmail), and that it protected those apps against unwanted changes; but I have yet to discover what other TDE apps it controls - or, maybe, what other apps that it can be used to control.
Please tell us!
Konqueror saves the form data for websites in the wallet. But as the use of konqueror for web browsing is dimishing ...
Nik
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On Wednesday 29 March 2023 23:47:13 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2023 Wed, 29 Mar 23:41:23 -0700
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
you can enable disable the tdewallet in the control center. If you don't use it, you will be asked for passwords all the time. If you use it, you will be asked once and it will handle the system requests to provide passwords to TDE apps.
Now you have got my curiosity. I was aware that tdewallet managed passwords for Kmail (as well as Kshowmail), and that it protected those apps against unwanted changes; but I have yet to discover what other TDE apps it controls - or, maybe, what other apps that it can be used to control.
Please tell us!
Konqueror saves the form data for websites in the wallet. But as the use of konqueror for web browsing is dimishing ...
Nik
Yeah, I would never use Konqueror as both file management *and* web browser. We have had that discussion here before.
Konqueror, as far as I am concerned, is better than every other file manager out there. Some are comparable, but that's still my first choice. To use it as a web browser, too, seems to me inherently insecure. Pick one or the other, but not both.
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Now you have got my curiosity. I was aware that tdewallet managed passwords for Kmail (as well as Kshowmail), and that it protected those apps against unwanted changes; but I have yet to discover what other TDE apps it controls - or, maybe, what other apps that it can be used to control.
Please tell us!
The wallet manager tdewallet is what it says to be it manages wallets ( you can configure more than one AFAIK, but I use only one since the beginning). So over the years this is what I have (see attached)
Basically as wallet manager is supposed to work it provides interface to applications that need authentication and gives you the option to configure how it handles the requests. The idea is that you do not have to type in passwords for each request.
On Thursday 30 March 2023 01:49:54 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Now you have got my curiosity. I was aware that tdewallet managed passwords for Kmail (as well as Kshowmail), and that it protected those apps against unwanted changes; but I have yet to discover what other TDE apps it controls - or, maybe, what other apps that it can be used to control.
Please tell us!
The wallet manager tdewallet is what it says to be it manages wallets ( you can configure more than one AFAIK, but I use only one since the beginning). So over the years this is what I have (see attached)
Basically as wallet manager is supposed to work it provides interface to applications that need authentication and gives you the option to configure how it handles the requests. The idea is that you do not have to type in passwords for each request.
Oh yeah ... now that I think about it ... it's all coming back to me now.
I did used to rely on tdewallet to keep passwords for my IM accounts, and I did used to use Kopete for chat, but since the past few years I haven't been able to get Kopete to work over Tor. It's been awhile since I checked, but I am guessing that it hasn't been significantly upgraded.
Then I switched over to Pidgin, and tried some others (can't remember them all), but finally settled on Psi+, which has a lot of nice features, and works over Tor. But I can't use tdewallet for those passwords.
Might be a good idea to use it for tdenetworkmanager, though; except, I don't know why, tdewallet has never prompted me for a network password. Hmmm.
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Might be a good idea to use it for tdenetworkmanager, though; except, I don't know why, tdewallet has never prompted me for a network password. Hmmm.
For some reason now it is not using tdewallet, but it was obviously before. I think it might be that a subsystem (wpa_supplicant) is handling this.
Anno domini 2023 Fri, 31 Mar 00:27:42 +0200 deloptes via tde-users scripsit:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Might be a good idea to use it for tdenetworkmanager, though; except, I don't know why, tdewallet has never prompted me for a network password. Hmmm.
For some reason now it is not using tdewallet, but it was obviously before. I think it might be that a subsystem (wpa_supplicant) is handling this.
tdenetworkmanager uses networkmanager which saves the data on its own. And it does also funny things like link lical adresses and routes that get in your way when you don't need them.
Nik
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On Thursday 30 of March 2023 01:26:37 dep via tde-users wrote:
said William Morder via tde-users: | It's been awhile since I dealt with this one, though; but as I recall, | just uninstall gnome-keyring. There's also another, | gnome-keyring-pkcs11 and also network-manager-gnome, but I believe | that these others don't get installed almost by default, as it were. | | You might be tempted to purge your system of everything Gnomish (and I | only wish I could), but it seems that some Gnome dependencies are used | on practically all systems. I did try weeding out everything Gnomish, | and it's like stepping in quicksand. | | Start by purging those packages, one-at-a-time, and see the issue | disappears.
yeppers, nuking gnome-keyring seems to have killed *that* popup. now, to be rid of trinity-keyring. is it safe to similarly dispatch it? --
BTW, package trinity-keyring contains a GPG key used to sign apt repository. I assume it's not what you need to deal with. You are probably interested in package tdewalletmanager-trinity.
Cheers
On Wednesday 29 March 2023 15:34:38 dep via tde-users wrote:
the other, genuine TDE, that pops up when I start KMail. It, too, wants my user password but not my mail password. After entering these, all proceeds as hoped.
I'd like to make them go away. I have searched the machine for any kind og keyring configuration file for either of these things, and have come up empty. The TDE Wallet Service version says "The application 'kmail' had requested to open the wallet 'kdewallet.' Please enter the password for this wallet below."
P.S. didn't catch this on the first read, not until I had just sent.
This is a different password, should NOT be your user password. This is the password for the wallet, to protect your email. Any changes you try to make in Kmail, you will be asked for the tdewallet password.
Bill
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