I was curious whether it would hel with problems I am experiencing with Firefox. Long story short, I either have horrible screen tearing in FF (during scorlling, but more annoying also when playing videos) or I have to restart FF every time I suspend my computer [1]. The latter is not an option for me, so I'm going with the former. I heard that Wayland solves the tearing problem and wanted to give it a try but of course if I run into a dozen of other bugs then this defeats the purpose. Janek [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1536396 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Isn't that obvious? To save energy when I'm not using the computer (e.g. during the night or after work). Why would I have my PC running the whole time and waste energy? And to pre-empt your question "why don't you poweroff?" the answer is because it's faster and more convenient. When I start my PC I need to input passwords to: unlock two encrypted partitions, log into TDE, unlock the TDE wallet, unlock GPG keyring, unlock SSH keys, unlock password manager. So that's seven times I need to input various passwords. When I wake from suspend I only have to provide one to unlock the screen. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Yes. The exact details are inthe bug report I linked earlier so I won't repeat them here. I've experienced this on several different machines and what they all have in common are nvidia's proprietary drivers. These are known to do a poor job with resuming from suspend. I just tested how Chromium video playback behaves after waking from suspend and it has a similar problem. The difference is that with Chromium only rendering of the page is broken and refreshing it fixes the problem. With Firefox the whole browser window disappears and there's no way to restore it. My layman's understanding is that Wayland replaces X11 but it's not a drop-in replacement and requires that a window manager implements support for it. And I understand XWayland acts as a X11 compatibility layer on top of Wayland. That's basically my whole knowledge of Wayland. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

If Firefox was on Wayland then - according to what many people say on the internet - I wouldn't have tearing problems. (Recall that I can work around the suspend issue by disabling hardware rendering in Firefox, but that causes tearing.) This assumes that it is possible to render TDE using XWayland and have FF connect to Wayland directly, but I don't know whether that's possible. Technically I can but I don't think I want to. I'd have to install Gnome 3 with all its dependencies and then have lots of leftover configuration garbage. But I think I'll just give up on the idea. It looks like a quite lot of effort and it probably makes more sense to complain to nvidia about the broken drivers rather than look for a workaround. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

As stated, I only have nvidia cards on all my machines. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

To me using nouveau defeats the purpose of having nvidia card. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Mon August 17 2020 17:42:41 deloptes wrote: We've used several NVidia cards over the years - mostly in Thinkpad laptops. I wish they the drivers were FLOSS but we've never had a problem with them. --Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Tuesday 18 August 2020 11.42:30 Janek Stolarek wrote: I guess time change, and of course your mileage may vary... I got bored with having to recompile nVidia proprietary drivers from a command line because they got screwed by some kernel update. Last year I build a machine with an AMD Ryzen and an AMD RX580, it's comparable to nVidias (faster here, slower there) and the FOSS drivers work as well as AMD's own. Very satisfied. I must say I'm not runing the latest games, but XPlane runs fine. Thierry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

High gaming performance. You can say exactly the same about GPUs of other manufacturers - Internet forums are filed with problems AMD and Intel cards are causing under Linux. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Janek Stolarek wrote: I recommend here On the Shortness of Life by LUCIUS ANNAEUS SENECA for example https://archive.org/stream/SenecaOnTheShortnessOfLife/Seneca+on+the+Shortne… look above. It does not make sense to make my life more complicated than it is for no reason. The only reason that makes sense is to make money, but if I do not do (too complex) rendering, I do not need one of those cards. I'm just sharing experience and thoughts. Of course you are free to do what you want. It just makes less sense especially in the linux context. Does gaming work in Linux - what games can one play, that would require intensive 3d rendering? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Please take this harangue to private email. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Anno domini 2020 Tue, 18 Aug 14:59:30 +0200 deloptes scripsit: That's a good recommendation :) -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Tue August 18 2020 05:59:30 deloptes wrote: I enjoy the fact that a modern graphics card easily handles three displays with no tearing. (Goodwill often has great display prices if, like me, you don't need them to all be identical.) For example when coding a Qt application I usually have the app and logs on the left screen, Qt Creator in the middle, and documentation to the right. This is much more efficient than alt-tabbing back and forth. --Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:10:42 +0100 Janek Stolarek <jwstolarek(a)gmail.com> wrote: Huh? how the fuck do you manage to get tearing with nvidia proprietary drivers? Nvidia drivers is the thing that lets you have tear free desktop on X without using compositor.... -- Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Anno domini 2020 Mon, 17 Aug 17:03:47 +0100 Janek Stolarek scripsit: And it only happens with hardware acceleration enabled in FF? -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Janek Stolarek wrote: You mentioned before: I just tested how Chromium video playback behaves after waking from suspend and it has a similar problem. The difference is that with Chromium only rendering of the page is broken and refreshing it fixes the problem. With Firefox the whole browser window disappears and there's no way to restore it. Now I got confused. Once you say only FF and once you say Chromium also has the problem And all of this happens "after suspend". I wonder what has TDE to do with all of this at all. As mentioned before shooting in all directions does not make you win a war. I think you are younger and I allow myself giving you an advise or two. 1. Respect your time and the time of others. 2. Adapt hardware and software to your needs. So let me explain a bit. You insist using NVidea card with proprietary driver and complain on the TDE user list that it has some kind of issue. I just don't understand why you are doing all of this. I found out it is better to use Intel (the embedded card) as it has good to perfect support not only from Linux but also from Intel. To my understanding and experience older hardware has in general much better support, so using 4-5y old hardware saves money and has stable drivers. TDE runs perfectly well on each of the machines complying to that rule including FF. 1/2y ago I had similar problem on the RPi4 I bought just to play with, but it was solved in the driver and FF is working perfectly well there too. I don't know if it helps. And anyway I have a feeling that the answer to your original question is NO and it seems no one tried it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Sunday 16 August 2020, Janek Stolarek wrote: Display tearing is a gpu/gpu ram/ram problem. If you are using onboard video have to tried to increase the amount of reserved ram? Do you have an external card? Maybe it can be replace or perhaps it's overheating and is in need of a cleaning. Also, do you have enough swap space, if you don't have a lot of ram, that can affect things as well. Just things to explore. Hope this helps, Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

No, that seems quite different. You sure you posted a correct link? But anyway, I decided to abandon the Wayland idea. I did to things instead. Firstly, I posted a bug report to nVidia forums [1]. This seems to have gone unnoticed, but someone has posted a similar bug report for the latest line of drivers [2] (450.xx - I'm on 440.xx since 450 is not yet in backports) and it looks like nVidia is actually working on this. There is hope. Secondly, I made a decision to abandon Firefox and give Vivalid a try. Firefox has been going in a wrong direction for me for the past couple of years (essentially removing configuration options and adding features that are major annoyance and enabled by default) and the bugs that I mentioned earlier were the final nail to a coffin. After the first few days of using Vivaldi I am very happy with it. No more tearing problems like in Firefox and no more problems with suspending to RAM. Most importantly, customizability of Vivaldi is just stellar. Performance could be better but I guess you can't have everything. If I don't run into any critical bugs it looks like I'll be staying with this browser. Janek [1] https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/bug-rendering-broken-after-waking-fro… [2] https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/resuming-from-suspend-issue-driver-45… --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Indeed. The team claims that although the code is not on a Free license (aside from Chromium modifications, which are BSD license), but it is openly available for inspection: https://vivaldi.com/source/ I would be guessing it queries external sites for data needed to provide functionality like ad blocking (it needs to regularly update the ad filters), etc. Firefox seems no better here, I think. I haven't heard about Icecat. I will take a look. I do have Palemoon, which I primarily use when I need to download huge files. Palemoon has the Flashgot plugin, which intergates with Trinity's KGet allowing to easily redirect links to TDE's download manager. It's a pity that when Firefox moved to Quantum it left behind so many good extensions that have not been replaced until now and most likely will never be replaced. I do prefer my software open source and only go for closed source when there's really a significant difference in software quality. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Yes, but the key question is *why* are they makling these connections. If they are sending your private data somewhere that of course is be bad. But if they are fetching data actually used to improve privacy? Modern pbrowser provide tracking protection, dangerous site protection, ad blocking - they need to get the data required to get this right from somewhere. So, to me the fact that a browser is making connections to various web servers doesn't really tell me anything about its security or privacy practices. I did try out Icecat. This one is truly for the masochists. If I want a browser where nothing works because of privacy concerns I go with Tor. It was however interesting to try out something new, if only for 10 minutes. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

YouTube. By default works neither in Tor nor in Icecat. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thursday 20 August 2020 13:14:31 Nikolaus Klepp wrote: YouTube is getting harder to access, but I never watch online, anyway. There is this little item called youtube-dl, which allows me to download their videos, so that I can watch at my leisure, without viewing their ads, or waiting for buffers, and I can watch it as many times as I want. Also, if you know what you are doing, there is no problem with running "torify youtube-dl" when trying to grab a video. And geographical restrictions also vanish (with a little work). If other people trust unknown entities somewhere "out there" having access to my browsing history, or whatever else of my data they get in their clutches, then they must be better adapted to this digital age than I. I may eventually return to a totally pre-computer life. There are still some places in the world without all this time-wasting crap, where people read actual books made of paper, or play music with actual instruments made of wood. Bill Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thursday 20 August 2020 14:29:18 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: You can do almost anything with youtube-dl, if you know how to arrange it on command-line. See either youtube-dl --help, or the manpages. I keep a list of commands for quick reference, but mostly I have whittled it down to a few that work with little trouble. Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thursday 20 August 2020 12:30:58 Janek Stolarek wrote: Huh. Well, everybody is different. Myself, I like to know who is doing what, and why. For example, just yesterday after you mentioned Vivaldi, I took it upon myself to use it (actually, Vivaldi-Snapshot) again, as it is getting to be that time of the month when I do use it. When I started up Vivaldi, I just happened to be watching my firewall, and wget made an outbound request on its own from my computer; the IP address was 142.250.68.14; and when I did a whois query, I find that it belongs to Google. Now why, I ask, should Google get something via wget from my machine when Vivaldi starts up? For myself, I would sort of like to know the reason before I allow my machine to act on my behalf. And while I do not for a moment doubt that the good and kind folks at Google are only doing this for my own good, and I probably ought not worry my pretty head about such details ... still, I am a stubborn kind of fella, and I would really like to know their reasons. So, if using Icecat makes me a masochist, well, I don't mind a little pain. It does take some patience with configuration, to get it to do what I want, but my point is, I CAN MAKE IT DO WHAT I WANT -- and nothing else. Vivaldi, so far, doesn't allow this. But no pressure: you decide. ;-) Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thursday 20 August 2020 15:19:41 Janek Stolarek wrote: I don't use Vivaldi enough to care, but I will give this a try, and report back if I find out anything interesting or worth mentioning. I have managed to force private mode (or incognito) on most browsers as the default, but again, this takes some patient finagling. I use DDG (the onion version): You can either use the YouTube "bang" (enter !yt and your search terms), or just search on DDG (or your search engine of choice), for "youtube [and your search terms]. It used to be that I could search YouTube directly through DDG, and still can, to some extent; except that now YouTube has decided I can visit their pages, but cannot actually view anything; so I glean my information about their videos at second-hand, but it still works. Also, you can try finding or creating archived versions of webpages; prefix one of these URLs to your youtube URL: to search for archived pages https://web.archive.org/web/ create archived pages (where none exists) or create new updated versions https://web.archive.org/save/ From there you can extract the YT address that is needed. (And by the way, youtube-dl also works on a lot of other sites, which probably model their pages on YouTube.) If you ever feel like giving Icecat another try (or Palemoon, or any other Mozilla-based browser), here's a tip: they are *almost* interchangeable. The trick is, just copy over the relevant files or folders from one browser to another; e.g., extensions, your about:config xul file, and a few other items. I can basically make any Mozilla browser do (almost) anything I want, with a little finagling. And once you have got it done for one Mozilla browser, it's pretty quick to replicate. (Instead of "installing" extensions, for example, I just copy over the folders of the extensions that were already installed in a different mozilla browser.) At first, though, expect to be frustrated; but when the deed is done, and your browser suddenly does exactly what you want ...! Most of my browser hacks are the same: once I get it to do what I want, I just copy over the relevant files or folders into another browser. (Make sure to backup the entire browser folder before you attempt this stuff.) My Mozilla browsers are all built up like this; then I used them for dedicated tasks, and save Icecat (at the moment) to use as my primary browser over Tor. Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Vivaldi creates a separate set of setting for its development build, just the same way Firefox creates spearate profiles for Nightly or ESR builds. Check out ~/.config/vivaldi and ~/.config/vivaldi-snapshot In the past custom CSS and JS were being wiped out during upgrades. Now Vivaldi has improved and only custom JS can get wiped out - it definitely gets disabled, but with a bit of luck the custom.js file might still be in place after an upgrade. +1 on that. Conversely, Firefox should have interface inspector to ease customization of user interface. Chromium is Chrome with everything Google removed. Or so the internet claims, because I haven't inspected the source code myself. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Tuesday 25 August 2020 08:48:24 am William Morder via trinity-users wrote: I'm dumping FF (and won’t use Chrome or Opera). Oddly, for most general browsing, I’m using the Tor Browser Bundle*. Not for banking or other login stuff. I’ve also been exploring Vivaldi and Pale Moon (one of the MX dev’s packages it, otherwise I’d have never heard of it). While this is in no way authoritative: Vivaldi seems to leave too many ads displayed. Pale Moon has some minor issues with playing videos slow. Somewhere I ran across a fork of FF55(ish, before FF went to the ‘dark side’), sadly I didn’t bookmark it, wish I had, I’d test that one out too. I think I’d like about a dozen browsers, each used for a specific set of activities: Browser A: Banking Browser B: WHM/cPanel Browser C: Amazon Browser D: Hosting companies Browser E: ... Browser F: FB Browser G: ... At least in theory it’d make it hard to cross track activities... Best, Michael * Granted you have to write a wrapper script and restart everyday to stop even the TBB wanting to track you through the ‘persistent gateway’ they try to enforce. If anyone wants a copy, send a PM. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Tuesday 25 August 2020 12:24:25 pm E. Liddell wrote: Thanks E!, Waterfox’s about page says nothing about this, and it’s just a random reddit post, so I don’t know if this is true or not: https://www.reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/ifrrrt/wf_freezes_when_accessing… popsathome, 4 hours ago “You're not the only one. Something strange going with Waterfox since it was bought out by an advertising company.” Otherwise it does sound good, the whole no telemetry bit. On Tuesday 25 August 2020 12:54:15 pm you wrote: Thanks Janek, that is good to know! The irony is deep, that I didn’t take note of it and then ended up installing it. Thanks All, Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

You can disable built-in add blocker and install uOrigin. Then it behaves just like Firefox. That's Pale Moon, I believe. Janek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Wednesday 19 August 2020 14:12:39 Janek Stolarek wrote: You might consider creating a custom hosts file. Somewhere I believe I have a URL where you can download a file of hosts to block, but I have added to this on my own. I would be glad to share my hosts file, but it is big; not just big, but abnormally big, currently 16 mb. Anyway, if you use a customized hosts file, then you don't really need an ad-blocker. I haven't looked at an online ad since about 2005 or so; unless, of course, I am forced to use a direct connection. Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Wednesday 19 August 2020 15:29:49 Michael wrote: Will do. Let me edit out personal stuff. (I have a quickie command to overwrite my hosts file, which I comment out, but it shows my "from" and "to" locations for when I use cp to overwrite with my customized version of hosts. Let me check out that link you sent. I will start a new thread for the hosts file stuff. Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Wednesday 19 August 2020 07:53:43 pm William Morder via trinity-users Thanks Bill, AFAIKT 0.0.0.0 seems prefered. It's also what both StevenBlack and Peter Lowe use, so I'd bet it's right. I don't think there are any security concerns, but I wasn't able to follow what was something you added or was from a block list itself. I wrote the attached to automate it a bit, downloading StevenBlack's list weekly and merging that into a 'user' created list, then copying it to /etc/hosts. It's chopped up a bit from pulling out my normal includes and commented out user testing, so eyeball it before using it. Also as far as I could research, there are no services that need to be reloaded/restarted after editing the hosts file. (Which I found odd, but 'eh...) Best, Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Am Montag 31 August 2020 schrieb William Morder via trinity-users: In /etc/hosts IP adresses are assigned to domain names. The difference is if a domain name is being assigned 0.0.0.0 the request will be send to digital nirvana. If it is assigned 127.0.0.1 it will be served by localhost, if you have a web server running so you can see there has been something blocked/deviated. IIUC. If you don't have a web server running to respond to these it doesn't make sense to use 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts to block domains because the system first tries to serve these requests before ending with an error… well, I don't know the exact mechanism, but you can save these computing cycles by using only 0.0.0.0 in /etc/hosts. Again, IIUC. I don't think you can use wildcards in /etc/hosts. That's why hosts-based blocklists are usually very, very big. See man hosts: DESCRIPTION This manual page describes the format of the /etc/hosts file. This file is a simple text file that associates IP addresses with hostnames, one line per IP address. For each host a single line should be present with the following information: IP_address canonical_hostname [aliases...] Fields of the entry are separated by any number of blanks and/or tab characters. Text from a "#" character until the end of the line is a comment, and is ignored. Host names may contain only alphanumeric characters, minus signs ("-"), and periods ("."). They must begin with an alphabetic character and end with an alphanumeric character. Optional aliases provide for name changes, alternate spellings, shorter hostnames, or generic hostnames (for example, localhost). HTH Kind regards, Stefan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Hi Bill, Am Montag 31 August 2020 schrieb William Morder via trinity-users: Sure, that's what I want as well :-) I'm using a huge /etc/hosts as well, but only with 0.0.0.0 so all requests from unwanted domains get send to nowhere without my system (localhost) trying to serve them before. The purpose of using 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts, AIUI, is to make the web server on localhost show some substitute page/image/whatever to indicate something has been blocked. If you don't have a web server running on localhost and configured to serve such requests it doesn't make sense to put 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts to my understanding. HTH Kind regards, Stefan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

{snip a bunch!} Summary version! We keep saying the same thing and re-asking the same questions. Boiling everyone’s [correct AFAIK] statements into a whole. {Hopefully I didn’t miss anything!} It doesn’t matter, both get served locally. [Paste both into a web browser :) ] AFAICT this is the convention now: - Use 0.0.0.0 to block. - Use 127.0.0.1 to connect to your local web server, proxy, or other local port. Why the historic use of 127.0.0.1 to block? I don’t know, and do not take this as truth… It’s possible 0. didn’t exist original and was added after 20??. Based on memory 127. was the only number I ever saw in hosts files pre 2000-2005? (I ran the Linux Router Project (LRP, the precursor to LEAF) through most of the 90s and early 00s.) No. Pretty much both sets of entries would be needed at the same time. They aren’t going to overlap. Errata: Okay, in some bizarre circumstance where you want (hard to figure out a need) the same exact address to be blocked in one instance and served locally in another, then yeah, you’d need to list ‘swap.’ This is essentially what the script I wrote does. It separates the logic from the hosts entries so you can manage ‘# insert your hostname here’ easier, add custom blocks easier, and is a bit safer, but it’s the same. I’ve attached it again. PS: The block list I used (StevenBlack's) combines winhelp2002’s, Peter Lowe's, and many other block lists into one, so scan it to see if it’s already got any you want to add to the wget pulls. Yes. They will both catch ‘nasty’ things the other won’t. Most noticeable will be an Ad Blocker will catch self served ads on sites you want to visit. And AFAIK most Ad Blocker lists (get paid to) whitelist Google ads, which the hosts block list will catch. Best All, Michael PS: If anyone does find another block list to add, send me the wget pull link and I’ll finish the script to handle multiple combines. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Monday 31 August 2020 00:33:33 Stefan Krusche wrote: The first hosts files that I found online all put 127.0.0.1, which I blindly accepted. It seemed to work okay, but then I heard about using 0.0.0.0. My instinct was that the second choice was better; because 127.0.0.1 is also the address I use for proxy configuration, so it goes somewhere. Better that I should send unwanted requests to nowhere, rather than any somewhere. This is why I raised the question about security in my earlier post. If proxy traffic is directed there, then there must be somewhere that it can go; and if some bad actor knows this -- well, maybe it is a stretch, but perhaps it could be used by a malicious intruder. 0.0.0.0 makes more sense. I wonder if there are some situations in which 127.0.0.1 might be preferable, or the two variants used in tandem -- for example, you mentioned "if you have a web server"? Maybe, then, it would be useful to create a home version and a web server version. Anyway, I don't want to go through and change items line-by-line, and to run find-and-replace will still leave me with a lot of duplicates, and the list is already big enough to be unwieldy for kedit to handle. I believe Michael mentioned some kind of script? Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting