16 Mar
2018
16 Mar
'18
2:13 p.m.
Hi Guys,
An annoying issue has appeared !
I'm running Q4OS, Trinity Desktop on an AMD dual core machine with
2Gb ram and 500Gb HDD.
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third time, I get a black
screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds. 1:30."
If I Ctrl Alt Del the machine restarts with the same screen and
message. If I let it continue, I then get a page of text with "Ctrl
D" to continue, "Or enter Root Password to Login"
Using "Ctrl D" everything just stops and I have to hard boot the
machine, It then goes back to the start job again.
If I login with the root password, I get pages and pages of what I
think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my normal
desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the machine,
everything comes up as normal.
I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
Thanks Guys:
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16 Mar
16 Mar
2:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Sounds like the hard drive is starting to go. Is it making any noise?
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
An annoying issue has appeared !
I'm running Q4OS, Trinity Desktop on an AMD dual core machine with
2Gb ram and 500Gb HDD.
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third time, I get a black
screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds. 1:30."
If I Ctrl Alt Del the machine restarts with the same screen and
message. If I let it continue, I then get a page of text with "Ctrl
D" to continue, "Or enter Root Password to Login"
Using "Ctrl D" everything just stops and I have to hard boot the
machine, It then goes back to the start job again.
If I login with the root password, I get pages and pages of what I
think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my normal
desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the machine,
everything comes up as normal.
I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
Thanks Guys:
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3:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Hi John, Thanks for your reply.
On Friday 16 March 2018 14:49:37 Pisini, John wrote:
Sounds like the hard drive is starting to go. Is it
making any
noise?
No nothing abnormal at all. Actually I have two 500Gb SATA drives in
this machine. The primary one has a 25Gb root partition with the
rest as "Home" and the other HDD as backup.
Based on your comment I will copy the latest backup onto a DVD and DD
the primary drive to the secondary one, then make it the boot drive.
I'll report back.
Thanks:
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Baron
<baron(a)linuxmaniac.net>
wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> An annoying issue has appeared !
> I'm running Q4OS, Trinity Desktop on an AMD dual core machine
> with 2Gb ram and 500Gb HDD.
>
> Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third time, I get a
> black screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds.
> 1:30." If I Ctrl Alt Del the machine restarts with the same
> screen and message. If I let it continue, I then get a page of
> text with "Ctrl D" to continue, "Or enter Root Password to
Login"
> Using "Ctrl D" everything just stops and I have to hard boot the
> machine, It then goes back to the start job again.
> If I login with the root password, I get pages and pages of what
> I think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my
> normal desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the
> machine, everything comes up as normal.
>
> I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
>
> Thanks Guys:
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> Baron
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3:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
On Friday 16 March 2018 15.13:31 Baron wrote:
Hi Guys,
(...)
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third
time, I get a black
screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds. 1:30."
This has, I'm pretty sure, to do with systemd. I got that several time and
yes, when you don't know about it it's quite difficult to solve.
Most often it has to do with some partition having changed UUID. Did you
modify your partition layout, or simply reformat one?
I've seen such messages linked to nfs shares too.
Anyway, the first thing is to identify what the job is running for, then we
should be able to debug.
Thierry
3:57 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Hi Thierry, Thank you for your reply.
On Friday 16 March 2018 15:22:28 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Friday 16 March 2018 15.13:31 Baron wrote:
Yes systemd is on this machine. I haven't made any changes to either
of the HDD on this machine. To be honest I wouldn't know what the
UUID's were originally, if they had changed.
The thing that bothers me most is that when this occurs, the only way
I can get back to a working system is to go through the root log in
process. It is as if the machine records that the start job has not
finished, preventing me from bypassing it.
Question: Where could I find how this process is triggered ?
Thanks:
Re Previous post: I'm going to have to get another backup device.
58Gb is too much for DVD's.
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Baron
Hi Guys,
(...)
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third
time, I get a
black screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds.
1:30."
This has, I'm pretty sure, to do with systemd. I got that several
time and yes, when you don't know about it it's quite difficult to
solve.
Most often it has to do with some partition having changed UUID.
Did you modify your partition layout, or simply reformat one?
I've seen such messages linked to nfs shares too.
Anyway, the first thing is to identify what the job is running for,
then we should be able to debug.
Thierry 
4:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb Baron:
Hi Thierry, Thank you for your reply.
Question: Where could I find how this process is triggered ?
Thanks:
Re Previous post: I'm going to have to get another backup device.
58Gb is too much for DVD's.
The process is triggered by one of the many raceconditions introduced in systemd. If you
can, get rid of systemd, install devuan or exegnulinux or antix or ....
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4:35 p.m.
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
The process is triggered by one of the many
raceconditions introduced in
systemd. If you can, get rid of systemd, install devuan or exegnulinux or
antix or ....
no need to do so. just install
ii sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.9
all System-V-like runlevel change mechanism
ii sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like init utilities
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like utilities
trash systemd-sysv and reboot
if you keep systemd-sysv add in /etc/default/grub
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT ..... init=/lib/sysvinit/init
and update-initramfs
but it could be also a disk issue or unclean fs - probably you don't use
ext4 and/or root is setup to remount ro on error
boot from rescue and fsck
regards
5:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job"
Hi Deloptes, Thank you for your help.
On Friday 16 March 2018 16:35:13 deloptes wrote:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> The process is triggered by one of the many raceconditions
> introduced in systemd. If you can, get rid of systemd, install
> devuan or exegnulinux or antix or ....
Is this as straight forward as using package manager for sysv-rc,
sysvinit-core and sysvinit-utils. ?
no need to do so. just install
ii sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.9
all System-V-like runlevel change mechanism
ii sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like init utilities
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like utilities
trash systemd-sysv and reboot
if you keep systemd-sysv add in /etc/default/grub
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT ..... init=/lib/sysvinit/init
and update-initramfs
but it could be also a disk issue or unclean fs - probably you
don't use ext4 and/or root is setup to remount ro on error
Yes I think root is setup to remount ro on error.
boot from rescue and fsck
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7:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job"
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb Baron:
Hi Deloptes, Thank you for your help.
On Friday 16 March 2018 16:35:13 deloptes wrote:
No. When your distribution allows you to get rid of systemd, then use the way Deleoptes
suggested.
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Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> The process is triggered by one of the many raceconditions
> introduced in systemd. If you can, get rid of systemd, install
> devuan or exegnulinux or antix or ....
Is this as straight forward as using package manager for sysv-rc,
sysvinit-core and sysvinit-utils. ? 
6:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job"
On Friday 16 March 2018 09:35:13 deloptes wrote:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I have similar problems with systemd when I try to shutdown or reboot; the
system hangs, sometimes for ever. I have managed mostly to get round the
issue by simply shutting down all unnecessary running processes before
shutdown or reboot, but I still have issues.
Will this work for an i386 machine, as well? I did try installing Devuan, but
without success (as it seems the process used by their installation disc
wants to overwrite my home folder); I also gave exegnulinux, but that also
was unsatisfactory.
My current system is Debian Jessie, and runs pretty much like I want, except
for some minor bugs. My biggest complaint is systemd, and I really want to go
back to using sysvinit.
Also: I wonder if it is possible to switch to Devuan without doing a complete
reinstallation? i.e., after changing over to sysvinit, can I enable Devuan
repositories (and disable Debian), then do something like
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
or whatever?
Bill
The process is triggered by one of the many
raceconditions introduced in
systemd. If you can, get rid of systemd, install devuan or exegnulinux or
antix or ....
no need to do so. just install
ii sysv-rc 2.88dsf-59.9
all System-V-like runlevel change mechanism
ii sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like init utilities
ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.9
amd64 System-V-like utilities
trash systemd-sysv and reboot
if you keep systemd-sysv add in /etc/default/grub
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT ..... init=/lib/sysvinit/init
and update-initramfs
but it could be also a disk issue or unclean fs - probably you don't use
ext4 and/or root is setup to remount ro on error
boot from rescue and fsck
7:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job"
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
[...]
Will this work for an i386 machine, as well? I did try installing Devuan, but
without success (as it seems the process used by their installation disc
wants to overwrite my home folder); I also gave exegnulinux, but that also
was unsatisfactory.
If your home folder lives on the same partition as /, then you'll have some work to do
:-)
My current system is Debian Jessie, and runs pretty
much like I want, except
for some minor bugs. My biggest complaint is systemd, and I really want to go
back to using sysvinit.
Also: I wonder if it is possible to switch to Devuan without doing a complete
reinstallation? i.e., after changing over to sysvinit, can I enable Devuan
repositories (and disable Debian), then do something like
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
or whatever?
Bill
You can move from debian jessie to devuan jessie without problems, just follow the guide
https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517 section
"Upgrade". When you do the upgrade, please do it on a console, not on a X11
terminal.
Nik
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8:26 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan
On Friday 16 March 2018 12:42:02 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
Yeah ... I copied my home folder to another hard drive (a precaution for
whenever I am about to experiment, or do something stupid); so that it would
be possible to make my home folder something like sdb3, etc. ... if that is
what you mean.
Most of my important files are kept elsewhere, on other hard BIG drives; the
root partion and home folder are installed on a 100 GB hard drive. And I only
use the home folder for temporary files, which will eventually get moved to
one of those other places. Otherwise, the only real purpose of my home folder
is to keep all my settings intact.
If I follow what you're saying, then I could partition that 100 GB hard drive
something like:
sda1 = /
sda2 = /boot
sda3 = swap
But that seems like a waste of space, as even a generous root partition has
never been bigger than about 30 GB, and a boot partition is maybe 2 or 3, and
maybe 4-6 GB for swap -- which leaves at least 60 GB for what?
Or maybe something else would be better? Then I could use a partition on sdb
as my home folder?
Thanks for your advice,
Bill
[...]
Will this work for an i386 machine, as well? I did try installing Devuan,
but without success (as it seems the process used by their installation
disc wants to overwrite my home folder); I also gave exegnulinux, but
that also was unsatisfactory.
If your home folder lives on the same partition as /, then you'll have some
work to do :-) My current system is Debian Jessie, and runs
pretty much like I want,
except for some minor bugs. My biggest complaint is systemd, and I really
want to go back to using sysvinit.
Also: I wonder if it is possible to switch to Devuan without doing a
complete reinstallation? i.e., after changing over to sysvinit, can I
enable Devuan repositories (and disable Debian), then do something like
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
or whatever?
Bill
You can move from debian jessie to devuan jessie without problems, just
follow the guide
https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517 section
"Upgrade". When you do the upgrade, please do it on a console, not on a X11
terminal.
Nik
9:27 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
exactly. that's a good way not to loose your data :-)
If your home
folder lives on the same partition as /, then you'll have some
work to do :-)
Yeah ... I copied my home folder to another hard drive (a precaution for
whenever I am about to experiment, or do something stupid); so that it would
be possible to make my home folder something like sdb3, etc. ... if that is
what you mean. Most of my important files are kept elsewhere, on
other hard BIG drives; the
root partion and home folder are installed on a 100 GB hard drive. And I only
use the home folder for temporary files, which will eventually get moved to
one of those other places. Otherwise, the only real purpose of my home folder
is to keep all my settings intact.
If I follow what you're saying, then I could partition that 100 GB hard drive
something like:
sda1 = /
sda2 = /boot
sda3 = swap
But that seems like a waste of space, as even a generous root partition has
never been bigger than about 30 GB, and a boot partition is maybe 2 or 3, and
maybe 4-6 GB for swap -- which leaves at least 60 GB for what?
Or maybe something else would be better? Then I could use a partition on sdb
as my home folder?
Space is cheap. Anyhow, you most likely will never use swap. And /boot does not need to be
on a seperate partition, just keep it on /. You can always resize/create/erase partitions
with gparted (puppylinux comes in handy for this), so it essentilly does not matter with
what size you start, you can always change that later. 20GB for / is OK, make the rest
/home. But before installing a new OS, please copy /home/your-user to
/home/copy-of-your-user - and check twice that you use the right partition :-)
Thanks for your advice,
Bill
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My current system is Debian Jessie, and runs
pretty much like I want,
except for some minor bugs. My biggest complaint is systemd, and I really
want to go back to using sysvinit.
Also: I wonder if it is possible to switch to Devuan without doing a
complete reinstallation? i.e., after changing over to sysvinit, can I
enable Devuan repositories (and disable Debian), then do something like
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
or whatever?
Bill
You can move from debian jessie to devuan jessie without problems, just
follow the guide
https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517 section
"Upgrade". When you do the upgrade, please do it on a console, not on a X11
terminal.
Nik
17 Mar
17 Mar
2:21 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan
On Friday 16 March 2018 14:27:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
exactly. that's a good way not to loose your data :-)
Yes, that's pretty much how I set it up. Maybe I didn't make it clear that my
home folder is a separate partition from / - although it is on the same
drive. Right now it's like this:
sda1 = / (20 GB)
sda2 = swap (4 GB)
sda3 = /home (74 GB ... or so)
and then there's 5% or so for all that hidden space.
(This a 100 GB hard drive; all my other stuff is stored elsewhere.)
I have written in another post about my FrankenDebian; that's where I needed a
to create a separate boot partition.
Anyway, that's not my problem here. I am using a single hard drive for
installation. I do want to increase the root partition, though, and I find
that I tend to use swap a lot, probably because my computer is made up of
spare parts (hence a Frankenstein as well as a FrankenDebian), and I need to
put in more memory.
Space is cheap, by the way, if one has money to spend on hard drives; right
now I have to scratch for spare change to buy toilet paper. (I am not
joking.) However, all in good time. This too will pass. Nothing lasts for
ever.
In the meanwhile, I still have to do a lot of juggling to find space; I have
hard drives, but they are already quite full. (I live in a third-world
country known as San Francisco's Tenderloin: not a good place for anybody who
is over the age of about 35 or 40.) I hope that in another few months I can
splurge for at least 2 TB or so, but right now I have work to do, and need a
computer that does the job.
Okay, so with this fairly straightforward setup (the partition table listed
above), the Devuan installation disc seems to want to delete or overwrite my
home folder. I would prefer to resize it with gparted, which (I believe) is
also the partition manager used in the Debian setup.
Devuan and exegnulinux are both a little wonky on this point, but hey, they're
still in development. Still, I always end up with a half-installed system
when I've tried them.
I think my best plan is to use the method that I gleaned from the earlier
posts of Nik Klepp and deloptes. (I hope I got their names right.) My system
is already installed and runs pretty well, so it's better to make the switch
from Debian to Devuan by apt-get dist-upgrade. If I could just resize my
partition instead of deleting it, that would be grand; however, I have done a
backup of my home directory, just in case.
Also - one of those bugs - I cannot start gparted (or any gnome application)
as root. I've tried tdesu and gksu. The Trinity sudo works okay for TDE
programs, but the gksu always rejects my password, even though I am sure of
the password. This is also a problem when I do a new installation. I can only
get admin privileges by sudo or su when I am in a shell; and except for the
shell, it's not until after I've installed the Trinity packages (especially
the Trinity sudo packages) that I can do anything as root. It would be nice
to be able to resize the root partition (assuming I won't lose information in
the home partition ... but I've got a fresh backup, anyway). Otherwise, I
will proceed with a system reinstallation at some point, and resize
partitions then.
Thanks for any guidance here. I can generally do partitioning and system
installations in my sleep (and often have done), but this problem with sudo
(mentioned by myself and others elsewhere) is a pain in the *ma-hony*.
Bill
If your
home folder lives on the same partition as /, then you'll have
some work to do :-)
Yeah ... I copied my home folder to another hard drive (a precaution for
whenever I am about to experiment, or do something stupid); so that it
would be possible to make my home folder something like sdb3, etc. ... if
that is what you mean. Most of my important files are kept elsewhere, on
other hard BIG drives;
the root partion and home folder are installed on a 100 GB hard drive.
And I only use the home folder for temporary files, which will eventually
get moved to one of those other places. Otherwise, the only real purpose
of my home folder is to keep all my settings intact.
If I follow what you're saying, then I could partition that 100 GB hard
drive something like:
sda1 = /
sda2 = /boot
sda3 = swap
But that seems like a waste of space, as even a generous root partition
has never been bigger than about 30 GB, and a boot partition is maybe 2
or 3, and maybe 4-6 GB for swap -- which leaves at least 60 GB for what?
Or maybe something else would be better? Then I could use a partition on
sdb as my home folder?
Space is cheap. Anyhow, you most likely will never use swap. And /boot does
not need to be on a seperate partition, just keep it on /. You can always
resize/create/erase partitions with gparted (puppylinux comes in handy for
this), so it essentilly does not matter with what size you start, you can
always change that later. 20GB for / is OK, make the rest /home. But before
installing a new OS, please copy /home/your-user to
/home/copy-of-your-user - and check twice that you use the right partition
:-)
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Bill
>
> > > My current system is Debian Jessie, and runs pretty much like I want,
> > > except for some minor bugs. My biggest complaint is systemd, and I
> > > really want to go back to using sysvinit.
> > >
> > > Also: I wonder if it is possible to switch to Devuan without doing a
> > > complete reinstallation? i.e., after changing over to sysvinit, can I
> > > enable Devuan repositories (and disable Debian), then do something
> > > like sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
> > > or whatever?
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > You can move from debian jessie to devuan jessie without problems, just
> > follow the guide
> > https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517 section
> > "Upgrade". When you do the upgrade, please do it on a console, not on
a
> > X11 terminal.
> >
> > Nik
> >
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New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan
Hi!
Am Samstag, 17. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
[...]
Also - one of those bugs - I cannot start gparted (or any gnome application)
as root. I've tried tdesu and gksu. The Trinity sudo works okay for TDE
programs, but the gksu always rejects my password, even though I am sure of
the password. This is also a problem when I do a new installation. I can only
get admin privileges by sudo or su when I am in a shell; and except for the
shell, it's not until after I've installed the Trinity packages (especially
the Trinity sudo packages) that I can do anything as root. It would be nice
to be able to resize the root partition (assuming I won't lose information in
the home partition ... but I've got a fresh backup, anyway). Otherwise, I
will proceed with a system reinstallation at some point, and resize
partitions then.
Ok, this won't work that way :-)
Please download slacko from here http://slacko.eezy.xyz/download.php - best use the 32 bit
iso http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-6.3.2/32/slacko-6.3.2-uef…
either burn the iso or make "dd if=slacko-6.3.2-uefi.iso
of=/dev/<the-usb-stick>"
Boot from the iso, open a terminal, start gparted. Now you can resize partitions. BTW,
slacko is slackware based :-)
When you have problems booting from USB, then please post what hardware you are using.
When you use Lenovo/IBM, you migh have to press F12 to select the boot media. Also not all
usb sticks boot on all computers.
Nik
Thanks for any guidance here. I can generally do partitioning and system
installations in my sleep (and often have done), but this problem with sudo
(mentioned by myself and others elsewhere) is a pain in the *ma-hony*.
Bill
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New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan
On Saturday 17 March 2018 01:13:32 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi!
Am Samstag, 17. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
I have discovered that some computers won't boot from USB sticks. And yes, I
am running i386, so 32 bit it is. However, I don't have UEFI, because I built
this thing out of parts.
A friend of mine turned a laptop into a brick by trying to install a Linux
system on a machine that had UEFI enabled. This sounds like the opposite
problem: the iso image is made for UEFI machines, but I don't want that (at
least, not yet). Will that be a problem?
Bill
[...]
Also - one of those bugs - I cannot start gparted (or any gnome
application) as root. I've tried tdesu and gksu. The Trinity sudo works
okay for TDE programs, but the gksu always rejects my password, even
though I am sure of the password. This is also a problem when I do a new
installation. I can only get admin privileges by sudo or su when I am in
a shell; and except for the shell, it's not until after I've installed
the Trinity packages (especially the Trinity sudo packages) that I can do
anything as root. It would be nice to be able to resize the root
partition (assuming I won't lose information in the home partition ...
but I've got a fresh backup, anyway). Otherwise, I will proceed with a
system reinstallation at some point, and resize partitions then.
Ok, this won't work that way :-)
Please download slacko from here http://slacko.eezy.xyz/download.php - best
use the 32 bit iso
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-6.3.2/32/slacko-6.3.2-uef
i.iso
either burn the iso or make "dd if=slacko-6.3.2-uefi.iso
of=/dev/<the-usb-stick>" Boot from the iso, open a terminal, start gparted.
Now you can resize partitions. BTW, slacko is slackware based :-)
When you have problems booting from USB, then please post what hardware you
are using. When you use Lenovo/IBM, you migh have to press F12 to select
the boot media. Also not all usb sticks boot on all computers.
Nik
> Thanks for any guidance here. I can generally do
partitioning and system
> installations in my sleep (and often have done), but this problem with
> sudo (mentioned by myself and others elsewhere) is a pain in the
> *ma-hony*.
>
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New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan
Am Samstag, 17. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
[...]
I have discovered that some computers won't boot from USB sticks. And yes, I
am running i386, so 32 bit it is. However, I don't have UEFI, because I built
this thing out of parts.
A friend of mine turned a laptop into a brick by trying to install a Linux
system on a machine that had UEFI enabled. This sounds like the opposite
problem: the iso image is made for UEFI machines, but I don't want that (at
least, not yet). Will that be a problem?
UEFI is broken by design. Anyway, you can safely boot from the ISO, as it just has the
additional partition for (U)EFI to boot. The ISO wil lstill boot on sane computers.
Nik
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1:51 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
On Saturday 17 March 2018 01:41:23 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Samstag, 17. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
What think you of Parted Magic? How does it compare to Slacko?
I ask because I am not so familiar with Slackware (though I don't know if it
matters much for this job of resizing a partition); but I do know Parted
Magic, and have used it before now several times.
https://partedmagic.com/
It also supports various file systems:
ext2, ext3, ext4, fat16, fat32, ntfs, and reiserfs
and has other useful features.
Bill
[...]
I have discovered that some computers won't boot from USB sticks. And
yes, I am running i386, so 32 bit it is. However, I don't have UEFI,
because I built this thing out of parts.
A friend of mine turned a laptop into a brick by trying to install a
Linux system on a machine that had UEFI enabled. This sounds like the
opposite problem: the iso image is made for UEFI machines, but I don't
want that (at least, not yet). Will that be a problem?
UEFI is broken by design. Anyway, you can safely boot from the ISO, as it
just has the additional partition for (U)EFI to boot. The ISO wil lstill
boot on sane computers.
Nik
1:57 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
On Saturday 17 March 2018 18:51:59 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 01:41:23 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
Oh, never mind! I see that it costs $49 ... and I seem to recall that it used
to be free software. This was some years ago, so maybe I am thinking of a
free version of something like it; I don't think it was a bootleg, as I
always tried to avoid that stuff.
Bill
Am Samstag, 17. März 2018 schrieb William
Morder:
What think you of Parted Magic? How does it compare to Slacko?
I ask because I am not so familiar with Slackware (though I don't know if
it matters much for this job of resizing a partition); but I do know Parted
Magic, and have used it before now several times.
https://partedmagic.com/
It also supports various file systems:
ext2, ext3, ext4, fat16, fat32, ntfs, and reiserfs
and has other useful features.
Bill
[...]
I have discovered that some computers won't boot from USB sticks. And
yes, I am running i386, so 32 bit it is. However, I don't have UEFI,
because I built this thing out of parts.
A friend of mine turned a laptop into a brick by trying to install a
Linux system on a machine that had UEFI enabled. This sounds like the
opposite problem: the iso image is made for UEFI machines, but I don't
want that (at least, not yet). Will that be a problem?
UEFI is broken by design. Anyway, you can safely boot from the ISO, as it
just has the additional partition for (U)EFI to boot. The ISO wil lstill
boot on sane computers.
Nik
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New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
perhaps you're thinking of gparted, which is free.
dep
2:45 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
On Saturday 17 March 2018 19:20:29 dep wrote:
perhaps you're thinking of gparted, which is
free.
dep
gparted I know. Problem is, I cannot start any Gnome program as root. I try
tdesu, gksu, etc. I have even tried starting programs from a root shell, but
it doesn't work. The Gnome sudo gui rejects my password every time, even
though I am sure of my password.
The sudo problem is another matter, and I will deal with that separately.
(Other people besides myself have mentioned this problem, by the way. My TDE
and KDE programs seem to work fine when run as root.) What I want now is to
resize my partition. That is my concern at the moment.
What I need is something that will run from a live CD, so that I can resize my
root partition without destroying information on my home folder or
reinstalling my entire system.
Anyway, I did find the free version (I think) of Parted Magic on SourceForge.
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/partedmagic/pmagic_2013_02_28.iso
Here are some more recent versions that I found; these are links to a Russian
university site:
http://ftp.psu.ru/linux/partedmagic/
And then there is this page, which looks legit, and offers checksums for
verification:
https://archive.org/details/pmagic_2015_08_12
I am just wondering if there is some reason to avoid Parted Magic (now that I
have found it) and go with Slacko, as recommended by Nik.
Bill
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New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
you can't open a terminal and su gparted? you might want it on an external boot, such
as the linux system rescue disk, because you can't run it on a mounted partition.
dep
3:18 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
On Saturday 17 March 2018 19:54:40 dep wrote:
you can't open a terminal and su gparted? you
might want it on an external
boot, such as the linux system rescue disk, because you can't run it on a
mounted partition.
dep
Right, and I don't intend to do so. I did want to run it for other hard
drives, as well, for which gparted would be nice to run from command-line.
However, I did find a live CD version of gparted on SourceForge. I would have
looked there earlier, but for some reason I have connection problems when
using the latest versions of Firefox. When I connect to SourceForge with
Icecat, SourceForge always blocks me; but with Firefox I can spoof my IP and
get in. However, then I have big problems with Firefox, like my system
freezes up when I am in the middle of stuff, or just now, when I found these
links on SourceForge, I got disconnected almost immediately.
Like when your wife or girlfriend comes home drunk at 4 in the morning, "it's
complicated"; and I don't know that I want the full explanation.
Anyway, so I found an iso image of gparted to download, and I consider this to
be the best of all possible solutions.
Thanks for your patience.
Bill
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On Saturday 17 March 2018 20:18:23 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 19:54:40 dep wrote:
Oh yeah, for anybody who is looking for the iso file of gparted:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/files/latest/download
direct link here
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/gparted/gparted-live-stable/0.30.…
Bill
you can't open a terminal and su gparted? you
might want it on an
external boot, such as the linux system rescue disk, because you can't
run it on a mounted partition.
dep
Right, and I don't intend to do so. I did want to run it for other hard
drives, as well, for which gparted would be nice to run from command-line.
However, I did find a live CD version of gparted on SourceForge. I would
have looked there earlier, but for some reason I have connection problems
when using the latest versions of Firefox. When I connect to SourceForge
with Icecat, SourceForge always blocks me; but with Firefox I can spoof my
IP and get in. However, then I have big problems with Firefox, like my
system freezes up when I am in the middle of stuff, or just now, when I
found these links on SourceForge, I got disconnected almost immediately.
Like when your wife or girlfriend comes home drunk at 4 in the morning,
"it's complicated"; and I don't know that I want the full explanation.
Anyway, so I found an iso image of gparted to download, and I consider this
to be the best of all possible solutions.
Thanks for your patience.
Bill
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New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
William Morder composed on 2018-03-17 20:22 (UTC-0700):
Oh yeah, for anybody who is looking for the iso file
of gparted:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/files/latest/download
Seems silly to me to bother with a single purpose CD when you can use the
granddaddy of all live Linux distros and have a standard toolset including
gparted, or a DVD with an expanded toolset.
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/packages-cd.txt
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/dvd/packages-dvd.txt
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3:58 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
On Saturday 17 March 2018 20:46:13 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder composed on 2018-03-17 20:22
(UTC-0700):
Don't call me silly, or I will have to work harder at perfecting my silly
walk!
Knoppix is fine, no doubt, for those who are familiar with it. I did try it
out, about ten years ago, when I was comparing Linux distros. I might check
out the latest Knoppix live DVD, just to see what's in their toolset, but I
doubt I would ever install it; so, in effect, it is still for me a
single-purpose disc.
It's a matter of what one is familiar with; your granddaddy is not mine. If I
had infinite time, and infinitely many different computers, I would install
and learn all the different distros. I just want something that works well,
is GNU/Linux, free/libre, and secure.
I don't like the SourceForge site, but it is a quick solution to my problem.
Bill
Oh yeah, for anybody who is looking for the iso
file of gparted:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/files/latest/download
Seems silly to me to bother with a single purpose CD when you can use the
granddaddy of all live Linux distros and have a standard toolset including
gparted, or a DVD with an expanded toolset.
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/packages-cd.txt
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/dvd/packages-dvd.txt
4:25 a.m.
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William Morder composed on 2018-03-17 20:58 (UTC-0700):
It's a matter of what one is familiar with; your
granddaddy is not mine.
Not my granddaddy. Granddaddy of all live media Linux distros, toolset that's
older than Ubuntu. You don't need to download or boot it to see what's in it.
Just look at the two applist links I posted.
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6:19 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
On Saturday 17 March 2018 21:25:04 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder composed on 2018-03-17 20:58
(UTC-0700):
I did give the list a look, and it is impressive; however, it isn't GNU/Linux
(or at least, the gnu.org site doesn't approve of Knoppix).
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
There is a distro based on Knoppix that is GNU/Linux: "Musix, a GNU+Linux
distribution based on Knoppix, with special emphasis on audio production";
but I have other needs. I also don't necessary need a live disc, except for
special tasks like this. I won't swear off comparing different distros, but I
am getting more specific about my criteria and needs.
Anyway, I don't run any of the 'buntus (although I used to do so). I didn't
like where Canonical was going, and wanted to get into Debian (which is also
older than Ubuntu). Now, however, I don't like this systemd thing, so I am
preparing to move on to Devuan, which sticks to the principles on which
Debian was founded.
It is important to me to wean myself from non-free, proprietary software, and
any software that I cannot use and modify however I wish.
I don't think of myself as a GNU/Linux purist, nor an evangelist or
proselytiser for free/libre. And it might be that I will, on occasion, use
packages that are non-free; but I do like to feel that I own my own computer,
that I am in control of what goes on under the hood, and that I can hack my
own system to make it do what I want.
Ergo, Knoppix doesn't appear to suit me, though I am glad to hear about its
virtues, or to be corrected if you feel that I am wrong about it not being
GNU/Linux. And I don't regard others as less enlightened for using another
OS. (I even have good friends who run the rotten Apple and even Windoze; good
folks who don't have the patience for Linux anything, but who also have to
work and pay the bills, or whose jobs require them to run proprietary
systems.) Other people have needs that are different from mine.
Bill
It's a matter of what one is familiar with;
your granddaddy is not mine.
Not my granddaddy. Granddaddy of all live media Linux distros, toolset
that's older than Ubuntu. You don't need to download or boot it to see
what's in it. Just look at the two applist links I posted.
6:58 a.m.
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William Morder composed on 2018-03-18 02:19 (UTC-0700):
I did give the list a look, and it is impressive;
however, it isn't GNU/Linux
(or at least, the gnu.org site doesn't approve of Knoppix).
1-None of the top ten Linux distros from Distrowatch are there either - no Mint,
no Fedora, no Ubuntu, no openSUSE, no Manjaro, etc. Trinity certainly isn't
mentioned anywhere on that page. Why is being on that very limited list (of
distros I never even heard of) important to you?
2-I was recommending Knoppix as a tool suitable for anyone wishing to run
gparted to repartition an existing installation, as well as other purposes
dictating a live rather than installed OS. Though it can be installed, that's
not how I use it.
3-Knoppix not being on that list could be because of special software that
enables its use by blind persons. It is nevertheless a free download, just like
Debian, AntiX, Neon and many many more than the 12 that are on that list.
4-Being Debian based, and installable, Trinity should be usable on a HD
installation of it without special effort.
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7:17 a.m.
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On Saturday 17 March 2018 23:58:25 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder composed on 2018-03-18 02:19
(UTC-0700):
I don't want to use proprietary or non-free software. Trinity is included in a
number of GNU/Linux distros, including exegnulinux, GnuSense, some Devuan,
etc. TDE, so far as I know, is free/libre by design. Trinity isn't in that
list because it is not an operating system, but only a desktop environment.
Anyway, I told you that I wasn't a purist; I use Trinity because it works
better for me.
I did give the list a look, and it is impressive;
however, it isn't
GNU/Linux (or at least, the gnu.org site doesn't approve of Knoppix).
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
1-None of the top ten Linux distros from Distrowatch are there either - no
Mint, no Fedora, no Ubuntu, no openSUSE, no Manjaro, etc. Trinity certainly
isn't mentioned anywhere on that page. Why is being on that very limited
list (of distros I never even heard of) important to you?
2-I was recommending Knoppix as a tool suitable for anyone wishing to run
gparted to repartition an existing installation, as well as other purposes
dictating a live rather than installed OS. Though it can be installed,
that's not how I use it.
It might be useful to me for that reason, because it has other tools. I only
need a live disc for repartitioning at this particular time, not for long
term. However, I won't knock it without having tried the most recent version,
because I might find those tools useful at some point.
3-Knoppix not being on that list could be because of special software that
enables its use by blind persons. It is nevertheless a free download, just
like Debian, AntiX, Neon and many many more than the 12 that are on that
list.
Free as in freedom, not free as in free beer. It is not just the cost, but
also what I am legally allowed to do with my software. Software that is
non-free or proprietary specifically forbids modifying the code, or using it
in a manner other than that for which it was intended (i.e., "hacking" in the
original sense of the word, as opposed to "cracking", which is doing illegal
stuff like breaking into networks or other people's computers). I only want
to be able to make my system do whatever I want, and to modify software if I
so choose.
4-Being Debian based, and installable, Trinity should be usable on a HD
installation of it without special effort.
No special effort. I just want what I want.
Bill
8:20 a.m.
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On Sunday 18 March 2018 00:17:38 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 23:58:25 Felix Miata wrote:
By the way, Knoppix includes systemd in that list:
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/dvd/packages-dvd.txt
That's why I am making the switch to Devuan, because I don't like how systemd
runs. There is a lot of controversy around this particular item, and I am not
qualified to speak to the details. However, from what I understand, it's very
big, and either involves a lot of dependencies that are non-free, or includes
components that are non-free, and due to its size there are all kinds of
things about it which cannot be verified by the community, and apparently
Debian admins & devs have no intention of making it better.
So there is this surge towards Devuan, and some other distros like it (for
example, Refracta). All I know is, my system hangs up, especially when I am
trying to shutdown, and it always shows systemd doing something for ever, and
never completing that task; it can go on for hours like this. Much easier
just to change to sysvinit, and own my own computer again.
But like you said, I don't need to install Knoppix, just to use the tools on
the disc. I could probably use the Debian live DVD in the same manner, as it
also has gparted; but I rather like booting up a disc that only does one
thing, and does it well.
Bill
William Morder composed on 2018-03-18 02:19
(UTC-0700):
I don't want to use proprietary or non-free software. Trinity is included
in a number of GNU/Linux distros, including exegnulinux, GnuSense, some
Devuan, etc. TDE, so far as I know, is free/libre by design. Trinity isn't
in that list because it is not an operating system, but only a desktop
environment. Anyway, I told you that I wasn't a purist; I use Trinity
because it works better for me.
I did give the list a look, and it is impressive;
however, it isn't
GNU/Linux (or at least, the gnu.org site doesn't approve of Knoppix).
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
1-None of the top ten Linux distros from Distrowatch are there either -
no Mint, no Fedora, no Ubuntu, no openSUSE, no Manjaro, etc. Trinity
certainly isn't mentioned anywhere on that page. Why is being on that
very limited list (of distros I never even heard of) important to you? 2-I was recommending Knoppix as a tool suitable
for anyone wishing to run
gparted to repartition an existing installation, as well as other
purposes dictating a live rather than installed OS. Though it can be
installed, that's not how I use it.
It might be useful to me for that reason, because it has other tools. I
only need a live disc for repartitioning at this particular time, not for
long term. However, I won't knock it without having tried the most recent
version, because I might find those tools useful at some point.
3-Knoppix not being on that list could be because
of special software
that enables its use by blind persons. It is nevertheless a free
download, just like Debian, AntiX, Neon and many many more than the 12
that are on that list.
Free as in freedom, not free as in free beer. It is not just the cost, but
also what I am legally allowed to do with my software. Software that is
non-free or proprietary specifically forbids modifying the code, or using
it in a manner other than that for which it was intended (i.e., "hacking"
in the original sense of the word, as opposed to "cracking", which is doing
illegal stuff like breaking into networks or other people's computers). I
only want to be able to make my system do whatever I want, and to modify
software if I so choose.
4-Being Debian based, and installable, Trinity
should be usable on a HD
installation of it without special effort.
No special effort. I just want what I want.
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New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
Am Sonntag, 18. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
What think you of Parted Magic? How does it compare to Slacko?
It's expensive (provides a technical minor solution that can be solved for free with
superiority) and can't do most of the interesting tasks, e.g. I usually customize my
slacko sticks in a way that they perform different tasks automaticly when booting, so I
can give them out to minor minions :-)
I ask because I am not so familiar with Slackware
(though I don't know if it
matters much for this job of resizing a partition); but I do know Parted
Magic, and have used it before now several times.
slacko is just linux, nothing special.
https://partedmagic.com/
It also supports various file systems:
ext2, ext3, ext4, fat16, fat32, ntfs, and reiserfs
and has other useful features.
Bill
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New subject: [trinity-users] Re: "Start Job" - switching to svsvinit-devuan - partitioning
On Sunday 18 March 2018 00:58:00 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Sonntag, 18. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
There are free downloads of Parted Magic, although I can't speak for their
quality in comparison. It's been a while since I have needed to resize a
partition like this. (I didn't allot as much space as I ought to have done;
these new systems keep taking up more and more space, since bigger hard
drives are getting cheaper and cheaper.)
I found a free version of gparted as a live CD iso file on SourceForge.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/files/latest/download
direct download link
https://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/gparted/gparted-live-stable/0.30.…
This should do the trick for me. I am already familiar with gparted, and it's
free, and pure Linux.
Bill
What think you of Parted Magic? How does it
compare to Slacko?
It's expensive (provides a technical minor solution that can be solved for
free with superiority) and can't do most of the interesting tasks, e.g. I
usually customize my slacko sticks in a way that they perform different
tasks automaticly when booting, so I can give them out to minor minions :-)
I ask because I am not so familiar with Slackware
(though I don't know if
it matters much for this job of resizing a partition); but I do know
Parted Magic, and have used it before now several times.
slacko is just linux, nothing special.
> https://partedmagic.com/
>
> It also supports various file systems:
> ext2, ext3, ext4, fat16, fat32, ntfs, and reiserfs
> and has other useful features.
>
> Bill
>
> >
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2:23 a.m.
New subject: my FrankenDebian
I started to write about this under the post about upgrading and transitioning
from Debian Jessie to Devuan Jessie. That would only confuse matters,
however, so I am posting it here as a somewhat interesting diversion; or
perhaps as an account of the morbid psychology of wannabe computer hackers on
a quest for things that they know they probably can never attain and
certainly ought never desire. Anyway ... here is an account of my dabbling in
the black arts.
On the Debian pages they warn against creating a FrankenDebian:
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian/
Too late! I already popped that cherry a long time ago. And in the course of
my experiments, I tried installing a dual-boot system on a 64 GB flash drive.
At that time, my desktop computer had just got fried by a massive power surge
that knocked out the electricity in about one-third of the city here. It took
me months to get a new motherboard and other parts that I needed. In the
meanwhile, I was given an old Sony Vaio laptop by a friend, so that I could
continue working in the real world on various writing and other projects, for
which I have deadlines.
So I concocted this evil plan, in order to keep at least one of my operating
systems actually operating, while on other partitions I experimented with
various operating systems (although my heart was set on something GNU/Linux).
The only reason I ever made a separate boot partition is that I was doing some
experimentation with installing a dual-boot system on a 64 GB flash drive,
from which I ran my laptop. I was trying to create a system that I could use
to boot up any computer from that flash drive.
I am glad to report that everything worked pretty well (running 1. Debian
Jessie and 2. various other systems). So instead of the partitions you see
listed above, I had it set up like so:
1st drive
sda1 = / 30 (various operating systems,
sometimes my old Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04;
later other OSs, mostly Debian-like)
sda2 = swap (4 GB)
sda3 = /home - #2 to go with sda1 (216 GB)
(This was a 250 GB hard drive)
2nd drive
But everything booted from this drive:
sdb1 = / - Debian Jessie with TDE (30 GB)
This eventually became my main system,
which I then transferred to my desktop computer
(via flash drive), once I got it working again.
sdb2 = /boot (2 GB)
sdb3 = swap (4 GB)
sdb4 = /home (to go with sdb1) 28 GB
(This was a 64 GB flash drive.)
When one OS was booted, the corresponding partitions on the other OS were left
unused, and vice-versa; although I could always open konqueror or other file
managers as root, and transfer stuff back and forth when needed.
Or it was something like that, give or take a few GB, with a separate boot
partition, so that everything booted from the same partition; with the added
bonus that the laptop could not be booted unless I inserted the flash drive.
The two different OSs shared the boot partition and swap, but I found that
when I tried sharing a home directory, everything got messed up.
However, I cannot use it to boot other computers (yet), but I am still working
on this problem. That's why I started making a separate boot partition, so
that I could solve all these various problems, learn a new operating system
(as I had been using various 'buntus), and keep working, all while using a
laptop and a couple flash drives.
If anybody has anything to offer - for instance, how to make any computer boot
from that flash drive? - I would be most grateful, as the experiment has been
mostly successful otherwise.
Bill
On Friday 16 March 2018 14:27:08 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb William Morder:
exactly. that's a good way not to loose your data :-)
If your
home folder lives on the same partition as /, then you'll have
some work to do :-)
Yeah ... I copied my home folder to another hard drive (a precaution for
whenever I am about to experiment, or do something stupid); so that it
would be possible to make my home folder something like sdb3, etc. ... if
that is what you mean. Most of my important files are kept elsewhere, on
other hard BIG drives;
the root partion and home folder are installed on a 100 GB hard drive.
And I only use the home folder for temporary files, which will eventually
get moved to one of those other places. Otherwise, the only real purpose
of my home folder is to keep all my settings intact.
If I follow what you're saying, then I could partition that 100 GB hard
drive something like:
sda1 = /
sda2 = /boot
sda3 = swap
But that seems like a waste of space, as even a generous root partition
has never been bigger than about 30 GB, and a boot partition is maybe 2
or 3, and maybe 4-6 GB for swap -- which leaves at least 60 GB for what?
Or maybe something else would be better? Then I could use a partition on
sdb as my home folder?
Space is cheap. Anyhow, you most likely will never use swap. And /boot does
not need to be on a seperate partition, just keep it on /. You can always
resize/create/erase partitions with gparted (puppylinux comes in handy for
this), so it essentilly does not matter with what size you start, you can
always change that later. 20GB for / is OK, make the rest /home. But before
installing a new OS, please copy /home/your-user to
/home/copy-of-your-user - and check twice that you use the right partition
:-)
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Bill
>
> > > My current system is Debian Jessie, and runs pretty much like I want,
> > > except for some minor bugs. My biggest complaint is systemd, and I
> > > really want to go back to using sysvinit.
> > >
> > > Also: I wonder if it is possible to switch to Devuan without doing a
> > > complete reinstallation? i.e., after changing over to sysvinit, can I
> > > enable Devuan repositories (and disable Debian), then do something
> > > like sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
> > > or whatever?
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> > You can move from debian jessie to devuan jessie without problems, just
> > follow the guide
> > https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517 section
> > "Upgrade". When you do the upgrade, please do it on a console, not on
a
> > X11 terminal.
> >
> > Nik
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3:46 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] my FrankenDebian
On Saturday 17 March 2018 13:23:10 William Morder wrote:
<snip>
If anybody has anything to offer - for instance, how
to make any
computer boot from that flash drive? - I would be most grateful, as
the experiment has been mostly successful otherwise.
Bill
G'day Bill,
Have you tried Slax?
<https://www.slax.org/en/introduction.php>
A "proper" Debian on a flash drive. Only one thing, it does not have
the TDE/Trinity desktop. However, there is "Slax with Trinity"
<https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Slax_with_Trinity>
which would be brilliant except that the "Persistent Changes" feature
has been broken! I have tried to find how this feature can be enabled
for the Slax with Trinity version, but I'm not smart enough. :-(
Any help to fix this would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Glen
5 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] my FrankenDebian
On Friday 16 March 2018 20:46:11 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 13:23:10 William Morder
wrote:
<snip>
Yes, I tried several versions of Slackware: Slax, Salix, Slackware proper, and
a few others (I think) that I can't remember, including, I believe, one that
had Trinity already installed. Now, this was a few years ago, and maybe my
computer skills have improved since then, but that didn't work for me.
Slackware systems appeal to me in theory, as Frankensteins are not such a
problem (or so I hear); but in practice, I could not get a Slackware system
to work for me.
If I had infinite computers to spare, and infinite time and patience, and
infinite resources, and did not need to live in the real world, then I would
give a Slackware system a go. As it is, though, my Debian system works pretty
well, except for those minor bugs, and a couple of major problems: namely,
the issue with sudo, and how to get rid of systemd and switch to sysvinit,
and return to the paradise promised by Devuan.
Thanks for tempting me once again, though. If I ever get extra computers to
spare ...
Bill
If anybody has anything to offer - for instance,
how to make any
computer boot from that flash drive? - I would be most grateful, as
the experiment has been mostly successful otherwise.
Bill
G'day Bill,
Have you tried Slax?
<https://www.slax.org/en/introduction.php>
A "proper" Debian on a flash drive. Only one thing, it does not have
the TDE/Trinity desktop. However, there is "Slax with Trinity"
<https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Slax_with_Trinity>
which would be brilliant except that the "Persistent Changes" feature
has been broken! I have tried to find how this feature can be enabled
for the Slax with Trinity version, but I'm not smart enough. :-(
Any help to fix this would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Glen
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New subject: Slax is Now Debian [WAS]Re: [trinity-users] my FrankenDebian
On Saturday 17 March 2018 16:00:40 William Morder wrote:
On Friday 16 March 2018 20:46:11 Glen Cunningham
wrote:
Slax used to be a Slackware derivative, however since version 9 it is
PURE DEBIAN! Sorry about the yell. :-(
So, if you are clued enough in Debian, can you please show me how to
restore the "Persistent Changes" feature in the Slax with Trinity
version?
Ta,
Glen
On Saturday 17 March 2018 13:23:10 William Morder
wrote:
<snip>
Yes, I tried several versions of Slackware: Slax, Salix, Slackware
proper, and a few others (I think) that I can't remember, including,
I believe, one that had Trinity already installed. Now, this was a
few years ago, and maybe my computer skills have improved since then,
but that didn't work for me.
Slackware systems appeal to me in theory, as Frankensteins are not
such a problem (or so I hear); but in practice, I could not get a
Slackware system to work for me.
If anybody has anything to offer - for instance,
how to make any
computer boot from that flash drive? - I would be most grateful,
as the experiment has been mostly successful otherwise.
Bill
G'day Bill,
Have you tried Slax?
<https://www.slax.org/en/introduction.php>
A "proper" Debian on a flash drive. Only one thing, it does not
have the TDE/Trinity desktop. However, there is "Slax with
Trinity" <https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Slax_with_Trinity>
which would be brilliant except that the "Persistent Changes"
feature has been broken! I have tried to find how this feature can
be enabled for the Slax with Trinity version, but I'm not smart
enough. :-( Any help to fix this would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Glen
7 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Slax is Now Debian [WAS]Re: [trinity-users] my FrankenDebian
On Friday 16 March 2018 23:45:01 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 16:00:40 William Morder
wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up, didn't know that. CAPS LOCK IS PERFECTLY OKAY, TOO,
IF ONE WISHES TO MAKE AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT CAN'T BE MADE OTHERWISE. (Of
course, the previous sentence is a bad example of making such a point.)
To tell you the truth, though, I haven't dealt with the "Persistent Changes"
feature at all. You are supposed to be able to choose that from the boot
menu; that's as much as I can tell you offhand. The issue doesn't arise for
me, because it's not there.
Is this for when you are using a live CD or DVD? Am I right?
Bill
On Friday 16 March 2018 20:46:11 Glen Cunningham
wrote:
Slax used to be a Slackware derivative, however since version 9 it is
PURE DEBIAN! Sorry about the yell. :-(
So, if you are clued enough in Debian, can you please show me how to
restore the "Persistent Changes" feature in the Slax with Trinity
version?
Ta,
Glen
On Saturday 17 March 2018 13:23:10 William Morder
wrote:
<snip>
Yes, I tried several versions of Slackware: Slax, Salix, Slackware
proper, and a few others (I think) that I can't remember, including,
I believe, one that had Trinity already installed. Now, this was a
few years ago, and maybe my computer skills have improved since then,
but that didn't work for me.
Slackware systems appeal to me in theory, as Frankensteins are not
such a problem (or so I hear); but in practice, I could not get a
Slackware system to work for me. If anybody has anything to offer - for instance,
how to make any
computer boot from that flash drive? - I would be most grateful,
as the experiment has been mostly successful otherwise.
Bill
G'day Bill,
Have you tried Slax?
<https://www.slax.org/en/introduction.php>
A "proper" Debian on a flash drive. Only one thing, it does not
have the TDE/Trinity desktop. However, there is "Slax with
Trinity" <https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Slax_with_Trinity>
which would be brilliant except that the "Persistent Changes"
feature has been broken! I have tried to find how this feature can
be enabled for the Slax with Trinity version, but I'm not smart
enough. :-( Any help to fix this would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Glen
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New subject: [trinity-users] Slax is Now Debian [WAS]Re: [trinity-users] my FrankenDebian
On Saturday 17 March 2018 18:00:36 William Morder wrote:
<big snip>
Is this for when you are using a live CD or DVD? Am I
right?
Bill
No, just a standard Slax install on a USB stick. "Persistent Changes"
does not compute on CD or DVD.
Glen
PS. If you have a spare USB stick, I think you will be impressed with
the latest Slax as an alternative to your FrankenDebian. G.
7:55 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Slax is Now Debian [WAS]Re: [trinity-users] my FrankenDebian
On Saturday 17 March 2018 00:27:16 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 18:00:36 William Morder
wrote:
<big snip>
You said that Slax is Debian as of version 9, and I am on Debian Jessie, which
is 8.x (8.10 with upgrades, I believe). And I am still learning Debian. I
used to run various 'buntus (mostly with KDE or TDE), and only in the past
couple months have I got my Debian system to look and run almost exactly like
my old Kubuntu (KDE 3.5) desktop.
I am still learning Debian myself, but I'm pretty good at figuring out stuff
in a Debian-type system, so maybe I can do a little research here.
Once I have my desktop set up (I still want to change to Devuan), then maybe I
will give Slax a try. I don't have a flash drive to spare, and I am too broke
to splurge. However, I could maybe do that dual-boot on my flash drive using
Slax on one of the partitions, but let me get my desktop set up first.
Bill
Is this for when you are using a live CD or DVD?
Am I right?
Bill
No, just a standard Slax install on a USB stick. "Persistent Changes"
does not compute on CD or DVD.
Glen
PS. If you have a spare USB stick, I think you will be impressed with
the latest Slax as an alternative to your FrankenDebian. G.
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18 Mar
12:50 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Slax is Now Debian [WAS]Re: [trinity-users] my FrankenDebian
On Saturday 17 March 2018 00:27:16 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 18:00:36 William Morder
wrote:
<big snip>
Okay, so do you mean that you are actually installing your system to a USB
stick, or that you are copying the iso image to it, and using it to boot like
a live CD or DVD?
I did a quick search (in response to your earlier question), and it seemed to
indicate that "Persistent Changes" had something to do with running a live
system. I don't normally run a live disc, except sometimes for
troubleshooting; I generally go straight to installation.
And what I described about installing to a USB stick meant that I actually run
my computer from the USB. My aim is to have a complete bootable, running
system, along with a home folder, on a flash drive; so that I can take it
anywhere and (theoretically, at least) boot almost any computer with it.
When I boot up, I never see "Persistent Changes" in my menu choices (although
I've heard about it). I can do a little research and see what I discover.
Once I sort out my desktop, I can try installing Slax a USB, then see if I
can figure out how "Persistent Changes" works.
Bill
Is this for when you are using a live CD or DVD?
Am I right?
Bill
No, just a standard Slax install on a USB stick. "Persistent Changes"
does not compute on CD or DVD.
Glen
PS. If you have a spare USB stick, I think you will be impressed with
the latest Slax as an alternative to your FrankenDebian. G.
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New subject: [trinity-users] Slax is Now Debian [WAS]Re: [trinity-users] my FrankenDebian
On Sunday 18 March 2018 11:50:11 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 00:27:16 Glen Cunningham
wrote:
<snip>
Okay, so do you mean that you are actually installing
your system to
a USB stick, or that you are copying the iso image to it, and using
it to boot like a live CD or DVD?
Not exactly, you follow the Slax instructions
<https://www.slax.org/ug/starting.php>
IIRC. In Linux, just dd the .iso to appropriate writable media (I
used a Sandisk USB 3.0 "thumb" drive. Then follow the instructions in
the readme.txt file to make it bootable.
<more snippage>
When I boot up, I never see "Persistent
Changes" in my menu choices
(although I've heard about it). I can do a little research and see
what I discover. Once I sort out my desktop, I can try installing
Slax a USB, then see if I can figure out how "Persistent Changes"
works.
"Persistent Changes" has been broken by the builder of the "Slax
with
Trinity" image. However, I'm still looking to see if I can restore
this, for me, essential feature. A post in the origin thread that
announced the "Slax with Trinity" asking for this got no response. :-(
Glen
5:56 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Slax is Now Debian [WAS]Re: [trinity-users] my FrankenDebian
On Saturday 17 March 2018 22:14:27 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Sunday 18 March 2018 11:50:11 William Morder
wrote:
Yeah, you're talking about making a live USB with the image instead of a live
CD, then booting from that. (Maybe I misunderstand you, but you did say to dd
the iso to a USB, right?) I do know how to copy the iso to a flash drive and
make it bootable. Useful, but I don't do it much.
That's not what I am doing. I am installing my complete operating system, and
all packages that I use, to a flash drive, then my flash drive itself becomes
a kind of portable computer. I partition it like the hard drive on my
computer, with /, swap, and /home partitions.
Then I just use the hardware of another computer to boot, but my flash drive
is itself a clone of the running system on both my desktop and my laptop.
That way, wherever I go, I can have my running system, with all my settings,
preferred packages, etc.
Bill
On Saturday 17 March 2018 00:27:16 Glen
Cunningham wrote:
<snip>
Okay, so do you mean that you are actually
installing your system to
a USB stick, or that you are copying the iso image to it, and using
it to boot like a live CD or DVD?
Not exactly, you follow the Slax instructions
<https://www.slax.org/ug/starting.php>
IIRC. In Linux, just dd the .iso to appropriate writable media (I
used a Sandisk USB 3.0 "thumb" drive. Then follow the instructions in
the readme.txt file to make it bootable.
<more snippage>
When I boot up, I never see "Persistent
Changes" in my menu choices
(although I've heard about it). I can do a little research and see
what I discover. Once I sort out my desktop, I can try installing
Slax a USB, then see if I can figure out how "Persistent Changes"
works.
"Persistent Changes" has been broken by the builder of the "Slax with
Trinity" image. However, I'm still looking to see if I can restore
this, for me, essential feature. A post in the origin thread that
announced the "Slax with Trinity" asking for this got no response. :-(
Glen
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16 Mar
4:16 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
On Friday 16 March 2018 16.57:49 Baron wrote:
Question: Where could I find how this process is
triggered ?
Doesn't the message say anything? In my case I usually had a message
like "Start job running for..." that gave some clue to the reason.
Thierry
5:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Hi Thierry,
On Friday 16 March 2018 16:16:43 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Friday 16 March 2018 16.57:49 Baron wrote:
The only thing that follows "Start job running for..." is a
countdown, rather count up number of seconds, followed by the
time "1:30 seconds".
--
Best Regards:
Baron
Question: Where could I find how this process is
triggered ?
Doesn't the message say anything? In my case I usually had a
message like "Start job running for..." that gave some clue to the
reason.
Thierry 
4:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Thierry de Coulon wrote on 03/16/2018 09:22 AM:
On Friday 16 March 2018 15.13:31 Baron wrote:
I agree, I have similar issues... sometime boots are clean, sometimes various
boot-time tasks take a noticeable number of seconds while a "Start job
running" message is displayed, and sometimes that message waits for the entire
90 seconds before timing out and the boot continues to completion.
Unlike the original poster, though, if I wait the system does eventually boot
into what seems to be a fully-working state (even if some of the boot tasks
say "Failed" after the 90-second timeout).
It all seems completely unpredictable here. I have several systems running
debian stable (although only one using TDE), and they all behave like this.
So I just put it down to some race condition(s) in systemd that I suppose will
get fixed at some point but for now is just something that I have to put up with.
It doesn't appear to be in any way related to TDE, though.
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Hi Guys,
(...)
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third
time, I get a black
screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds. 1:30."
This has, I'm pretty sure, to do with systemd. I got that several time and
yes, when you don't know about it it's quite difficult to solve.
4:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
I'm running Debian Stable on a few different machines and have not seen
this on any of them.
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:07 PM, D. R. Evans <doc.evans(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thierry de Coulon wrote on 03/16/2018 09:22 AM:
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and
Hi Guys,
(...)
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third
time, I get a black
screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds. 1:30."
This has, I'm pretty sure, to do with systemd. I got that several time yes, when you don't know about it it's
quite difficult to solve.
I agree, I have similar issues... sometime boots are clean, sometimes
various
boot-time tasks take a noticeable number of seconds while a "Start job
running" message is displayed, and sometimes that message waits for the
entire
90 seconds before timing out and the boot continues to completion.
Unlike the original poster, though, if I wait the system does eventually
boot
into what seems to be a fully-working state (even if some of the boot tasks
say "Failed" after the 90-second timeout).
It all seems completely unpredictable here. I have several systems running
debian stable (although only one using TDE), and they all behave like this.
So I just put it down to some race condition(s) in systemd that I suppose
will
get fixed at some point but for now is just something that I have to put
up with.
It doesn't appear to be in any way related to TDE, though.
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9:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
On Friday 16 March 2018 07:22:28 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Friday 16 March 2018 15.13:31 Baron wrote:
+1
I actually had the error message (aprox) " ~disk by uuid"
1.compare uuid's in "/etc/fstab"
2. with the ones produced by running the command "blkid:
Hi Guys,
(...)
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third
time, I get a black
screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds. 1:30."
This has, I'm pretty sure, to do with systemd. I got that several time and
yes, when you don't know about it it's quite difficult to solve.
Most often it has to do with some partition having changed UUID. Did you
modify your partition layout, or simply reformat one?
I've seen such messages linked to nfs shares too.
Anyway, the first thing is to identify what the job is running for, then we
should be able to debug.
Thierry
5:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Baron composed on 2018-03-16 14:13 (UTC):
If I login with the root password, I get pages and
pages of what I
think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my normal
desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the machine,
everything comes up as normal.
I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
Instead of startx, try
journalctl | grep failed
and see if it reports what failed.
As others suggested, the problem is a systemd race condition. Did this start
after an update to the current initrd, or after a update that installed a new
kernel? Do you have a boot menu that allows you to select to boot with an older
kernel, which if selected behaves normally? If so, an initrd rebuild might make
the problem go away.
If Q4OS is a Plymouth user, you might try disabling it by adding to cmdline
plymouth.enable=0
With or without plymouth, if you remove "quiet" from the cmdline, you might be
able as boot proceeds to spot the initial mention of the start job that is failing.
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5:26 p.m.
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Hi Felix, Thank you for your help.
On Friday 16 March 2018 17:02:17 Felix Miata wrote:
Baron composed on 2018-03-16 14:13 (UTC):
If I run this now, will I get anything useful ?
If I login with the root password, I get pages
and pages of what
I think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my
normal desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the
machine, everything comes up as normal.
I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
Instead of startx, try
journalctl | grep failed
and see if it reports what failed. As others suggested, the problem is a systemd race
condition. Did
this start after an update to the current initrd, or after a update
that installed a new kernel? Do you have a boot menu that allows
you to select to boot with an older kernel, which if selected
behaves normally? If so, an initrd rebuild might make the problem
go away.
If Q4OS is a Plymouth user, you might try disabling it by adding to
cmdline
plymouth.enable=0
I did see something about "plymouth" when the pages of lines were
flashing by.
With or without plymouth, if you remove
"quiet" from the cmdline,
you might be able as boot proceeds to spot the initial mention of
the start job that is failing.
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5:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Baron composed on 2018-03-16 17:26 (UTC):
Felix Miata wrote:
> Instead of startx, try
> journalctl | grep failed
> and see if it reports what failed.
If I run this now, will I get anything useful ?
If you're in a normal boot, try:
journalctl -b -1 | grep failed
instead. s/-1/-2/ if you want to look at the 2nd previous boot. Either presume
Q4OS has persistent journaling enabled. Otherwise you'll get nothing useful.
> If Q4OS is a Plymouth user, you might try
disabling it by adding to
> cmdline
> plymouth.enable=0
I did see something about "plymouth" when
the pages of lines were
flashing by.
Plymouth for most users is nothing but bling, Windows emulation, covering up
boot messages with a GUI screen. Plymouth is actually useful or even required
for some configurations. I don't have it installed anywhere that allows it to be
removed.
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7:17 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Hi Felix,
On Friday 16 March 2018 17:44:08 Felix Miata wrote:
Baron composed on 2018-03-16 17:26 (UTC):
Running "journalctl | grep failed" as root gets me
tsc: Fast TSC calibration failed.
(colord:787): failed to get session [pid 537]: Unknown error -2
Which means absolutely nothing to me !
Thanks:
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Felix Miata wrote:
If you're in a normal boot, try:
journalctl -b -1 | grep failed
instead. s/-1/-2/ if you want to look at the 2nd previous boot.
Either presume Q4OS has persistent journaling enabled. Otherwise
you'll get nothing useful. Instead of startx, try
journalctl | grep failed
and see if it reports what failed.
If I run this now, will I get anything useful ? 
5:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
On Friday 16 March 2018 10:13:31 Baron wrote:
Hi Guys,
An annoying issue has appeared !
I'm running Q4OS, Trinity Desktop on an AMD dual core machine with
2Gb ram and 500Gb HDD.
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third time, I get a black
screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds. 1:30."
If I Ctrl Alt Del the machine restarts with the same screen and
message. If I let it continue, I then get a page of text with "Ctrl
D" to continue, "Or enter Root Password to Login"
Using "Ctrl D" everything just stops and I have to hard boot the
machine, It then goes back to the start job again.
If I login with the root password, I get pages and pages of what I
think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my normal
desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the machine,
everything comes up as normal.
I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
Thanks Guys:
That waddles and quacks like an e2fsck, and may be indicative of a
failing hard drive. Get a report from it with smartctl.
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7:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Hi Gene, Thank you for your reply,
On Friday 16 March 2018 17:44:08 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 16 March 2018 10:13:31 Baron wrote:
I can't find "smartctrl" on this machine, is it something that I have
to install ?
Thanks:
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Baron
Hi Guys,
An annoying issue has appeared !
I'm running Q4OS, Trinity Desktop on an AMD dual core machine
with 2Gb ram and 500Gb HDD.
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third time, I get a
black screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds.
1:30." If I Ctrl Alt Del the machine restarts with the same
screen and message. If I let it continue, I then get a page of
text with "Ctrl D" to continue, "Or enter Root Password to Login"
Using "Ctrl D" everything just stops and I have to hard boot the
machine, It then goes back to the start job again.
If I login with the root password, I get pages and pages of what
I think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my
normal desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the
machine, everything comes up as normal.
I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
Thanks Guys:
That waddles and quacks like an e2fsck, and may be indicative of a
failing hard drive. Get a report from it with smartctl.
7:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
https://www.smartmontools.org/
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
Hi Gene, Thank you for your reply,
On Friday 16 March 2018 17:44:08 Gene Heskett wrote:
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On Friday 16 March 2018 10:13:31 Baron wrote:
I can't find "smartctrl" on this machine, is it something that I have
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Hi Guys,
An annoying issue has appeared !
I'm running Q4OS, Trinity Desktop on an AMD dual core machine
with 2Gb ram and 500Gb HDD.
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third time, I get a
black screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds.
1:30." If I Ctrl Alt Del the machine restarts with the same
screen and message. If I let it continue, I then get a page of
text with "Ctrl D" to continue, "Or enter Root Password to Login"
Using "Ctrl D" everything just stops and I have to hard boot the
machine, It then goes back to the start job again.
If I login with the root password, I get pages and pages of what
I think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my
normal desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the
machine, everything comes up as normal.
I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
Thanks Guys:
That waddles and quacks like an e2fsck, and may be indicative of a
failing hard drive. Get a report from it with smartctl.
7:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Thanks John,
On Friday 16 March 2018 19:24:15 Pisini, John wrote:
Getting it downloaded now.
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7:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Sorry should have been clearer apt-get install smartmontools
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
Thanks John,
On Friday 16 March 2018 19:24:15 Pisini, John wrote:
Getting it downloaded now.
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8:16 p.m.
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No problem John, thanks for the update, I would have struggled with
compiling it anyway.
Thanks:
On Friday 16 March 2018 19:41:01 Pisini, John wrote:
Sorry should have been clearer apt-get install
smartmontools
Now installed.
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8:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Hi Guys,
A quick run of "smartctl /dev/sda -a" gives me no errors.
Log follows:-
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Maxtor DiamondMax 10 (SATA/300)
Device Model: Maxtor 6V200E0
Serial Number: V40KPSSG
LU WWN Device Id: 0 150500 7da7feb4f
Firmware Version: VA111630
User Capacity: 203,928,109,056 bytes [203 GB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA/ATAPI-7 T13/1532D revision 0
Local Time is: Fri Mar 16 20:22:57 2018 GMT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
I thought that this disk was 500Gb, it says above 203Gb, or is that
value the used space. It shows 458Gb + 25Gb in "My Computer"
It also shows the 458Gb partition as sdf1.
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x80) Offline data collection
activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection:
Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine
completed
without error or no self-test
has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 4622) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline
immediate.
Auto Offline data collection
on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection
upon new
command.
Offline surface scan
supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test
supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before
entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save
timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging
supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 90) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x0021) SCT Status supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 32
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 208 208 063 Pre-fail
Always - 13404
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age
Always - 75
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 253 253 063 Pre-fail
Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 211 000 Old_age
Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0027 251 240 187 Pre-fail
Always - 54359
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 251 251 000 Old_age
Always - 718
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x002b 253 252 157 Pre-fail
Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x002b 253 252 223 Pre-fail
Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 252 252 000 Old_age
Always - 648
189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age
Always - 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 060 060 000 Old_age
Always - 40 (Min/Max 13/40)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age
Always - 0
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age
Always - 0
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0032 034 253 000 Old_age
Always - 40
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 1132
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0008 199 199 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
201 Soft_Read_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
202 Data_Address_Mark_Errs 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
203 Run_Out_Cancel 0x000b 253 252 180 Pre-fail
Always - 0
204 Soft_ECC_Correction 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
205 Thermal_Asperity_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
207 Spin_High_Current 0x002a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
208 Spin_Buzz 0x002a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
210 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
211 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
212 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]
SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute
delay.
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9:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Hi!
it's 200 GB, see https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822144184
Execute "cat /proc/partitions", that should show you 200 GB, too.
nik
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb Baron:
Hi Guys,
A quick run of "smartctl /dev/sda -a" gives me no errors.
Log follows:-
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Maxtor DiamondMax 10 (SATA/300)
Device Model: Maxtor 6V200E0
Serial Number: V40KPSSG
LU WWN Device Id: 0 150500 7da7feb4f
Firmware Version: VA111630
User Capacity: 203,928,109,056 bytes [203 GB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA/ATAPI-7 T13/1532D revision 0
Local Time is: Fri Mar 16 20:22:57 2018 GMT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
I thought that this disk was 500Gb, it says above 203Gb, or is that
value the used space. It shows 458Gb + 25Gb in "My Computer"
It also shows the 458Gb partition as sdf1.
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x80) Offline data collection
activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection:
Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine
completed
without error or no self-test
has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 4622) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline
immediate.
Auto Offline data collection
on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection
upon new
command.
Offline surface scan
supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test
supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before
entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save
timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging
supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 90) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x0021) SCT Status supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 32
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 208 208 063 Pre-fail
Always - 13404
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age
Always - 75
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 253 253 063 Pre-fail
Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 211 000 Old_age
Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0027 251 240 187 Pre-fail
Always - 54359
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 251 251 000 Old_age
Always - 718
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x002b 253 252 157 Pre-fail
Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x002b 253 252 223 Pre-fail
Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 252 252 000 Old_age
Always - 648
189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age
Always - 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 060 060 000 Old_age
Always - 40 (Min/Max 13/40)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age
Always - 0
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age
Always - 0
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0032 034 253 000 Old_age
Always - 40
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 1132
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0008 199 199 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
201 Soft_Read_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
202 Data_Address_Mark_Errs 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
203 Run_Out_Cancel 0x000b 253 252 180 Pre-fail
Always - 0
204 Soft_ECC_Correction 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
205 Thermal_Asperity_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
207 Spin_High_Current 0x002a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
208 Spin_Buzz 0x002a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
210 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
211 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
212 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]
SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute
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9:32 p.m.
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oops, wrong link ...
https://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/maxtor/en_us/documentation/data_sheets/…
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:
Hi!
it's 200 GB, see https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822144184
Execute "cat /proc/partitions", that should show you 200 GB, too.
nik
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb Baron:
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Hi Guys,
A quick run of "smartctl /dev/sda -a" gives me no errors.
Log follows:-
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Maxtor DiamondMax 10 (SATA/300)
Device Model: Maxtor 6V200E0
Serial Number: V40KPSSG
LU WWN Device Id: 0 150500 7da7feb4f
Firmware Version: VA111630
User Capacity: 203,928,109,056 bytes [203 GB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA/ATAPI-7 T13/1532D revision 0
Local Time is: Fri Mar 16 20:22:57 2018 GMT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
I thought that this disk was 500Gb, it says above 203Gb, or is that
value the used space. It shows 458Gb + 25Gb in "My Computer"
It also shows the 458Gb partition as sdf1.
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x80) Offline data collection
activity
was never started.
Auto Offline Data Collection:
Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine
completed
without error or no self-test
has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 4622) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline
immediate.
Auto Offline data collection
on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection
upon new
command.
Offline surface scan
supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test
supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before
entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save
timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging
supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 90) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x0021) SCT Status supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 32
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 208 208 063 Pre-fail
Always - 13404
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age
Always - 75
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 253 253 063 Pre-fail
Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 211 000 Old_age
Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0027 251 240 187 Pre-fail
Always - 54359
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 251 251 000 Old_age
Always - 718
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x002b 253 252 157 Pre-fail
Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x002b 253 252 223 Pre-fail
Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 252 252 000 Old_age
Always - 648
189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age
Always - 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 060 060 000 Old_age
Always - 40 (Min/Max 13/40)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age
Always - 0
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 253 253 000 Old_age
Always - 0
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0032 034 253 000 Old_age
Always - 40
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 1132
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 253 253 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0008 199 199 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
201 Soft_Read_Error_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
202 Data_Address_Mark_Errs 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
203 Run_Out_Cancel 0x000b 253 252 180 Pre-fail
Always - 0
204 Soft_ECC_Correction 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
205 Thermal_Asperity_Rate 0x000a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
207 Spin_High_Current 0x002a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
208 Spin_Buzz 0x002a 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
210 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
211 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
212 Unknown_Attribute 0x0032 253 252 000 Old_age
Always - 0
SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]
SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute
delay.
17 Mar
17 Mar
9:50 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Hi Nikolaus, Thank you for your help.
On Friday 16 March 2018 21:32:37 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
https://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/maxtor/en_us/documentation/data
_sheets/diamondmax_10_data_sheet.pdf
Am Freitag, 16. März 2018 schrieb Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:
> Hi!
>
> it's 200 GB, see
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822144184
>
> Execute "cat /proc/partitions", that should show you 200 GB, too.
>
> nik
Snipped log info:
This is the output of "cat/proc/partitions"
major minor #blocks name
2 0 4 fd0
11 0 1048575 sr0
8 0 199148544 sda
8 1 2095104 sda1
8 2 26218496 sda2
8 3 170833920 sda3
8 16 488386584 sdb
8 17 488385536 sdb1
I'm getting totally confused ! I was sure that I had two 500Gb HDD in
this machine, but it seems not. It also seems that the 200Gb HDD is
swap, boot and root drive and that sdb is home.
PS. The machine booted up as normal this morning...
Thanks:
--
Best Regards:
Baron
16 Mar
16 Mar
10:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
On Friday 16 March 2018 15:24:15 Pisini, John wrote:
This is a better address, I pulled the one I gave out of "you know
where". Blame it on oldtimers...
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
> Hi Gene, Thank you for your reply,
>
> On Friday 16 March 2018 17:44:08 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 16 March 2018 10:13:31 Baron wrote:
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > An annoying issue has appeared !
> > > I'm running Q4OS, Trinity Desktop on an AMD dual core machine
> > > with 2Gb ram and 500Gb HDD.
> > >
> > > Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third time, I get a
> > > black screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds.
> > > 1:30." If I Ctrl Alt Del the machine restarts with the same
> > > screen and message. If I let it continue, I then get a page of
> > > text with "Ctrl D" to continue, "Or enter Root Password to
> > > Login" Using "Ctrl D" everything just stops and I have to
hard
> > > boot the machine, It then goes back to the start job again.
> > > If I login with the root password, I get pages and pages of what
> > > I think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my
> > > normal desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the
> > > machine, everything comes up as normal.
> > >
> > > I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
> > >
> > > Thanks Guys:
> >
> > That waddles and quacks like an e2fsck, and may be indicative of a
> > failing hard drive. Get a report from it with smartctl.
>
> I can't find "smartctrl" on this machine, is it something that I
> have to install ?
>
> Thanks:
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron
>
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11:33 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
On Friday 16 March 2018 18:36:26 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 16 March 2018 15:24:15 Pisini, John wrote:
This is a better address, I pulled the one I gave out of "you know
where". Blame it on oldtimers...
There is another possibility I should have mentioned. If your sata data
cables are red, theres something in the red dye that destroys the cable
in 4 or 5 years. pull the covers so you can see the cable(s) and give
them a gentle push with a stick, after putting a tail -fn50 on the
syslog. If the log blows up when you do the stick bit for a 1/4"
movement, its time for new cables, hopefully not red ones.
This has been a problem for cables with that dye since the mid 70's of
the last century when the J.A.Pan company started using it in their cb
radio microphone cables. You can cut the red wire off 1/2" from the end
that has broken, and pour the copper out of the red jacketed conductors
plastic sleeve as a dark brown powder. Its a very poor conductor in that
state.
In addition to being an oldtimer at 83, I am also a C.E.T. with 68+ years
of chaseing electrons for a living.
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Baron
<baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
> > Hi Gene, Thank you for your reply,
> >
> > On Friday 16 March 2018 17:44:08 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Friday 16 March 2018 10:13:31 Baron wrote:
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > An annoying issue has appeared !
> > > > I'm running Q4OS, Trinity Desktop on an AMD dual core machine
> > > > with 2Gb ram and 500Gb HDD.
> > > >
> > > > Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third time, I get
> > > > a black screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX
> > > > seconds. 1:30." If I Ctrl Alt Del the machine restarts with
> > > > the same screen and message. If I let it continue, I then get
> > > > a page of text with "Ctrl D" to continue, "Or enter
Root
> > > > Password to Login" Using "Ctrl D" everything just
stops and I
> > > > have to hard boot the machine, It then goes back to the start
> > > > job again. If I login with the root password, I get pages and
> > > > pages of what I think maybe logs. At the end of this if I
> > > > "StartX" I get my normal desktop. At this point if I
logout
> > > > and hard boot the machine, everything comes up as normal.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Guys:
> > >
> > > That waddles and quacks like an e2fsck, and may be indicative of
> > > a failing hard drive. Get a report from it with smartctl.
> >
> > I can't find "smartctrl" on this machine, is it something that I
> > have to install ?
> >
> > Thanks:
> > --
> > Best Regards:
> > Baron
> >
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17 Mar
17 Mar
10:08 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
Hi Gene,
On Friday 16 March 2018 23:33:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
I pulled the one I gave out of "you
> know where". Blame it on oldtimers...
Not to worry I'm only 70 :-) so a bit of catching up to do :-)
There is another possibility I should have mentioned.
If your sata
data cables are red, theres something in the red dye that destroys
the cable in 4 or 5 years. pull the covers so you can see the
cable(s) and give them a gentle push with a stick, after putting a
tail -fn50 on the syslog. If the log blows up when you do the stick
bit for a 1/4" movement, its time for new cables, hopefully not red
ones.
This has been a problem for cables with that dye since the mid 70's
of the last century when the J.A.Pan company started using it in
their cb radio microphone cables. You can cut the red wire off 1/2"
from the end that has broken, and pour the copper out of the red
jacketed conductors plastic sleeve as a dark brown powder. Its a
very poor conductor in that state.
Useful information ! All my sata cables are red.
In addition to being an oldtimer at 83, I am also a
C.E.T. with 68+
years of chaseing electrons for a living.
I'm struggling with poor health at the moment and this cold one day
and warm the next isn't helping.
--
Best Regards:
Baron
11:09 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
On Saturday 17 March 2018 03:08:21 Baron wrote:
Hi Gene,
On Friday 16 March 2018 23:33:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
It feels good for once to be the youngster in the group. (I just turned 60
about a month ago.) I am sad to say that, though reasonably healthy, I am
also starting to feel my age. Worse yet, I am surrounded by people who
believe that life ends at about age 35.
This is some interesting and useful information about SATA cables, as all of
mine are red, as well. Indeed, I don't recall ever seeing them any other
color.
Nice thing about getting older, though: one tends to remember what is really
important (stuff like this), and only forget things like appointments, or
where I put my glasses.
Bill
I pulled the one I gave out of "you
> know where". Blame it on oldtimers...
Not to worry I'm only 70 :-) so a bit of catching up to do :-)
There is another possibility I should have
mentioned. If your sata
data cables are red, theres something in the red dye that destroys
the cable in 4 or 5 years. pull the covers so you can see the
cable(s) and give them a gentle push with a stick, after putting a
tail -fn50 on the syslog. If the log blows up when you do the stick
bit for a 1/4" movement, its time for new cables, hopefully not red
ones.
This has been a problem for cables with that dye since the mid 70's
of the last century when the J.A.Pan company started using it in
their cb radio microphone cables. You can cut the red wire off 1/2"
from the end that has broken, and pour the copper out of the red
jacketed conductors plastic sleeve as a dark brown powder. Its a
very poor conductor in that state.
Useful information ! All my sata cables are red.
In addition to being an oldtimer at 83, I am also
a C.E.T. with 68+
years of chaseing electrons for a living.
I'm struggling with poor health at the moment and this cold one day
and warm the next isn't helping.
1:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
On Saturday 17 March 2018 07:09:34 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 03:08:21 Baron wrote:
They come in black, tan. blue and yellow. As the retired CE of a tv
station, whose IT guy was buying HD's in 24 packs for the video servers
he's built, he has a standing order to stash any cables they come with
away for me if they aren't red. He was using the 10k rpm stuff, whose
lifetime is less than the red cables, cable failures are not a problem,
keeping the 10k rust cool is. So I manage to keep 1 or 2 non-reds to go
in whatever I might build handy. For what I build to run linuxcnc on,
I've also found the $50 on sale 60GB SSD's are noticeably faster than
spinning rust.
Hi Gene,
On Friday 16 March 2018 23:33:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
It feels good for once to be the youngster in the group. (I just
turned 60 about a month ago.) I am sad to say that, though reasonably
healthy, I am also starting to feel my age. Worse yet, I am surrounded
by people who believe that life ends at about age 35.
This is some interesting and useful information about SATA cables, as
all of mine are red, as well. Indeed, I don't recall ever seeing them
any other color.
I pulled the one I gave out of "you
> know where". Blame it on oldtimers...
Not to worry I'm only 70 :-) so a bit of catching up to do :-)
There is another possibility I should have
mentioned. If your sata
data cables are red, theres something in the red dye that destroys
the cable in 4 or 5 years. pull the covers so you can see the
cable(s) and give them a gentle push with a stick, after putting a
tail -fn50 on the syslog. If the log blows up when you do the
stick bit for a 1/4" movement, its time for new cables, hopefully
not red ones.
This has been a problem for cables with that dye since the mid
70's of the last century when the J.A.Pan company started using it
in their cb radio microphone cables. You can cut the red wire off
1/2" from the end that has broken, and pour the copper out of the
red jacketed conductors plastic sleeve as a dark brown powder. Its
a very poor conductor in that state.
Useful information ! All my sata cables are red.
In addition to being an oldtimer at 83, I am also
a C.E.T. with
68+ years of chaseing electrons for a living.
I'm struggling with poor health at the moment and this cold one day
and warm the next isn't helping. Nice thing about getting older, though: one tends to
remember what is
really important (stuff like this), and only forget things like
appointments, or where I put my glasses.
Yeah, I was supposed to go let the vampires have a sample yesterday to
check my INI on my warfarin dose, but plumb forgot about it what with
pulling a gear out of a lathes apron for a guy in WI who's gear is
missing a tooth, a tooth I'll never need because the computer, an
r-pi-3b, does all that better than the gear, ploting a wheel chair ramp
into the front deck in between these ^%$#@ nor-easters, and taking some
clean clothes to the shop where my wife is currently wearing a cast on a
broken leg, and its not scheduled for removal till late May. A heavy
smoker, she has paper mache bones, and at 83 lbs, zero padding. I quit
cold turkey 30 years ago, just before we got married, but she is well
and truly hooked.
I'm a DM-II and have managed to lose from 215 when I retired in 2002,
down to around 155 which helps with the sugar, and an abused back. I'd
like to lose another 10 or 15, getting totally rid of the bay window,
but I like to eat too.
Bill
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2:42 p.m.
New subject: age & health & weight
I've retitled this thread, due to getting far off-topic.
On Saturday 17 March 2018 06:07:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 07:09:34 William Morder wrote:
I am a big guy, so it I could get my weight down below 230 or 240, I would
think about training for the Olympics. But right now my weight has been going
way up, because I also like to eat, and unfortunately that's about my only
means of entertainment.
Got myself a bike, but it needs work; but I really like biking to get around
and run my errands, do shopping, etc., and just happen to get exercise as a
fringe benefit. However, when living in SF (or nowadays almost any big city),
just owning a decent bike is a source of constant stress, because the bike
thieves are incredibly bold, and the police (except for occasional press
releases) do little to stop the thefts.
However, if you live somewhere that biking is a viable option, I highly
recommend it. You dislike it for about the first week, and then you get to
like it so much that you cannot imagine life without it.
Also, drink lots of water, and eat fresh fruit. I got that from somebody long
ago who lost something like 200 lbs, and it does work. But then, I need to
get with it myself again.
Bill
On Saturday 17 March 2018 03:08:21 Baron wrote:
They come in black, tan. blue and yellow. As the retired CE of a tv
station, whose IT guy was buying HD's in 24 packs for the video servers
he's built, he has a standing order to stash any cables they come with
away for me if they aren't red. He was using the 10k rpm stuff, whose
lifetime is less than the red cables, cable failures are not a problem,
keeping the 10k rust cool is. So I manage to keep 1 or 2 non-reds to go
in whatever I might build handy. For what I build to run linuxcnc on,
I've also found the $50 on sale 60GB SSD's are noticeably faster than
spinning rust.
Hi Gene,
On Friday 16 March 2018 23:33:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
It feels good for once to be the youngster in the group. (I just
turned 60 about a month ago.) I am sad to say that, though reasonably
healthy, I am also starting to feel my age. Worse yet, I am surrounded
by people who believe that life ends at about age 35.
This is some interesting and useful information about SATA cables, as
all of mine are red, as well. Indeed, I don't recall ever seeing them
any other color. I pulled the one I gave out of "you
> know where". Blame it on oldtimers...
Not to worry I'm only 70 :-) so a bit of catching up to do :-)
There is another possibility I should have
mentioned. If your sata
data cables are red, theres something in the red dye that destroys
the cable in 4 or 5 years. pull the covers so you can see the
cable(s) and give them a gentle push with a stick, after putting a
tail -fn50 on the syslog. If the log blows up when you do the
stick bit for a 1/4" movement, its time for new cables, hopefully
not red ones.
This has been a problem for cables with that dye since the mid
70's of the last century when the J.A.Pan company started using it
in their cb radio microphone cables. You can cut the red wire off
1/2" from the end that has broken, and pour the copper out of the
red jacketed conductors plastic sleeve as a dark brown powder. Its
a very poor conductor in that state.
Useful information ! All my sata cables are red.
In addition to being an oldtimer at 83, I am also
a C.E.T. with
68+ years of chaseing electrons for a living.
I'm struggling with poor health at the moment and this cold one day
and warm the next isn't helping. Nice thing about getting older, though: one tends
to remember what is
really important (stuff like this), and only forget things like
appointments, or where I put my glasses.
Yeah, I was supposed to go let the vampires have a sample yesterday to
check my INI on my warfarin dose, but plumb forgot about it what with
pulling a gear out of a lathes apron for a guy in WI who's gear is
missing a tooth, a tooth I'll never need because the computer, an
r-pi-3b, does all that better than the gear, ploting a wheel chair ramp
into the front deck in between these ^%$#@ nor-easters, and taking some
clean clothes to the shop where my wife is currently wearing a cast on a
broken leg, and its not scheduled for removal till late May. A heavy
smoker, she has paper mache bones, and at 83 lbs, zero padding. I quit
cold turkey 30 years ago, just before we got married, but she is well
and truly hooked.
I'm a DM-II and have managed to lose from 215 when I retired in 2002,
down to around 155 which helps with the sugar, and an abused back. I'd
like to lose another 10 or 15, getting totally rid of the bay window,
but I like to eat too.
>
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New subject: [trinity-users] age & health & weight
On Saturday 17 March 2018 10:42:54 William Morder wrote:
I've retitled this thread, due to getting far
off-topic.
My 2 wheeled transport has generally had an IC engine, somewhere in the
350cc to 1 liter sized between my knees since the early 70's. Was pretty
good at carving corners & trimming footpegs, but had to realize my
biking days were about over when I could see my reflexes slowing.
Estimated half a million since I used one for a chair car for nearly 30
years. So I sold my last one about 15 years back, and bought a pickup,
several since. They come in handy when you are a home owner and do your
own remodelling etc. The short boxes are a pain, but thats what full
crew cab models come with. And even those are like driving the Queen
Mary. I got the missus a toy rav4, but its just not quite big enough to
stick a pile of 2x8's in.
On Saturday 17 March 2018 06:07:18 Gene Heskett
wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 07:09:34 William Morder wrote:
I am a big guy, so it I could get my weight down below 230 or 240, I
would think about training for the Olympics. But right now my weight
has been going way up, because I also like to eat, and unfortunately
that's about my only means of entertainment.
Got myself a bike, but it needs work; but I really like biking to get
around and run my errands, do shopping, etc., and just happen to get
exercise as a fringe benefit. However, when living in SF (or nowadays
almost any big city), just owning a decent bike is a source of
constant stress, because the bike thieves are incredibly bold, and the
police (except for occasional press releases) do little to stop the
thefts.
However, if you live somewhere that biking is a viable option, I
highly recommend it. You dislike it for about the first week, and then
you get to like it so much that you cannot imagine life without it.
On Saturday 17 March 2018 03:08:21 Baron wrote:
They come in black, tan. blue and yellow. As the retired CE of a tv
station, whose IT guy was buying HD's in 24 packs for the video
servers he's built, he has a standing order to stash any cables they
come with away for me if they aren't red. He was using the 10k rpm
stuff, whose lifetime is less than the red cables, cable failures
are not a problem, keeping the 10k rust cool is. So I manage to keep
1 or 2 non-reds to go in whatever I might build handy. For what I
build to run linuxcnc on, I've also found the $50 on sale 60GB SSD's
are noticeably faster than spinning rust.
Hi Gene,
On Friday 16 March 2018 23:33:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
>I pulled the one I gave out of "you
>
> > know where". Blame it on oldtimers...
Not to worry I'm only 70 :-) so a bit of catching up to do :-)
> There is another possibility I should have mentioned. If your
> sata data cables are red, theres something in the red dye that
> destroys the cable in 4 or 5 years. pull the covers so you can
> see the cable(s) and give them a gentle push with a stick,
> after putting a tail -fn50 on the syslog. If the log blows up
> when you do the stick bit for a 1/4" movement, its time for
> new cables, hopefully not red ones.
>
> This has been a problem for cables with that dye since the mid
> 70's of the last century when the J.A.Pan company started
> using it in their cb radio microphone cables. You can cut the
> red wire off 1/2" from the end that has broken, and pour the
> copper out of the red jacketed conductors plastic sleeve as a
> dark brown powder. Its a very poor conductor in that state.
Useful information ! All my sata cables are red.
> In addition to being an oldtimer at 83, I am also a C.E.T.
> with 68+ years of chaseing electrons for a living.
I'm struggling with poor health at the moment and this cold one
day and warm the next isn't helping.
It feels good for once to be the youngster in the group. (I just
turned 60 about a month ago.) I am sad to say that, though
reasonably healthy, I am also starting to feel my age. Worse yet,
I am surrounded by people who believe that life ends at about age
35.
This is some interesting and useful information about SATA cables,
as all of mine are red, as well. Indeed, I don't recall ever
seeing them any other color. Nice thing about getting older, though: one tends
to remember what
is really important (stuff like this), and only forget things like
appointments, or where I put my glasses.
Yeah, I was supposed to go let the vampires have a sample yesterday
to check my INI on my warfarin dose, but plumb forgot about it what
with pulling a gear out of a lathes apron for a guy in WI who's gear
is missing a tooth, a tooth I'll never need because the computer, an
r-pi-3b, does all that better than the gear, ploting a wheel chair
ramp into the front deck in between these ^%$#@ nor-easters, and
taking some clean clothes to the shop where my wife is currently
wearing a cast on a broken leg, and its not scheduled for removal
till late May. A heavy smoker, she has paper mache bones, and at 83
lbs, zero padding. I quit cold turkey 30 years ago, just before we
got married, but she is well and truly hooked.
I'm a DM-II and have managed to lose from 215 when I retired in
2002, down to around 155 which helps with the sugar, and an abused
back. I'd like to lose another 10 or 15, getting totally rid of the
bay window, but I like to eat too. Also, drink lots of water, and eat fresh fruit. I got
that from
somebody long ago who lost something like 200 lbs, and it does work.
But then, I need to get with it myself again.
Bill
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New subject: [trinity-users] age & health & weight
On Saturday 17 March 2018 08:09:28 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 10:42:54 William Morder
wrote:
True, if your reflexes have slowed to the point where you would be endangering
yourself, that's rather counter-productive.
I did have a motorcycle, but for me that was more trouble than it was worth. A
truck, however, is very handy. I miss my Dodge RamCharger 4WD. If I must have
a vehicle, I want it to be either cheap to run, or very good for big jobs;
the RamCharger was not cheap, but it was good, solid and dependable.
You might also try something like Hatha Yoga or T'ai Chi. They require a
little instruction, but then not much space or equipment.
The main thing is, keep moving somehow. Walking is good exercise, but even my
joints are starting to give me pain. All I know is, not moving is a bad sign.
Bill
I've retitled this thread, due to getting far
off-topic.
My 2 wheeled transport has generally had an IC engine, somewhere in the
350cc to 1 liter sized between my knees since the early 70's. Was pretty
good at carving corners & trimming footpegs, but had to realize my
biking days were about over when I could see my reflexes slowing.
Estimated half a million since I used one for a chair car for nearly 30
years. So I sold my last one about 15 years back, and bought a pickup,
several since. They come in handy when you are a home owner and do your
own remodelling etc. The short boxes are a pain, but thats what full
crew cab models come with. And even those are like driving the Queen
Mary. I got the missus a toy rav4, but its just not quite big enough to
stick a pile of 2x8's in.
On Saturday 17 March 2018 06:07:18 Gene Heskett
wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 07:09:34 William Morder wrote:
I am a big guy, so it I could get my weight down below 230 or 240, I
would think about training for the Olympics. But right now my weight
has been going way up, because I also like to eat, and unfortunately
that's about my only means of entertainment.
Got myself a bike, but it needs work; but I really like biking to get
around and run my errands, do shopping, etc., and just happen to get
exercise as a fringe benefit. However, when living in SF (or nowadays
almost any big city), just owning a decent bike is a source of
constant stress, because the bike thieves are incredibly bold, and the
police (except for occasional press releases) do little to stop the
thefts.
However, if you live somewhere that biking is a viable option, I
highly recommend it. You dislike it for about the first week, and then
you get to like it so much that you cannot imagine life without it. On Saturday 17 March 2018 03:08:21 Baron wrote:
> Hi Gene,
>
> On Friday 16 March 2018 23:33:59 Gene Heskett wrote:
> >I pulled the one I gave out of "you
> >
> > > know where". Blame it on oldtimers...
>
> Not to worry I'm only 70 :-) so a bit of catching up to do :-)
>
> > There is another possibility I should have mentioned. If your
> > sata data cables are red, theres something in the red dye that
> > destroys the cable in 4 or 5 years. pull the covers so you can
> > see the cable(s) and give them a gentle push with a stick,
> > after putting a tail -fn50 on the syslog. If the log blows up
> > when you do the stick bit for a 1/4" movement, its time for
> > new cables, hopefully not red ones.
> >
> > This has been a problem for cables with that dye since the mid
> > 70's of the last century when the J.A.Pan company started
> > using it in their cb radio microphone cables. You can cut the
> > red wire off 1/2" from the end that has broken, and pour the
> > copper out of the red jacketed conductors plastic sleeve as a
> > dark brown powder. Its a very poor conductor in that state.
>
> Useful information ! All my sata cables are red.
>
> > In addition to being an oldtimer at 83, I am also a C.E.T.
> > with 68+ years of chaseing electrons for a living.
>
> I'm struggling with poor health at the moment and this cold one
> day and warm the next isn't helping.
It feels good for once to be the youngster in the group. (I just
turned 60 about a month ago.) I am sad to say that, though
reasonably healthy, I am also starting to feel my age. Worse yet,
I am surrounded by people who believe that life ends at about age
35.
This is some interesting and useful information about SATA cables,
as all of mine are red, as well. Indeed, I don't recall ever
seeing them any other color.
They come in black, tan. blue and yellow. As the retired CE of a tv
station, whose IT guy was buying HD's in 24 packs for the video
servers he's built, he has a standing order to stash any cables they
come with away for me if they aren't red. He was using the 10k rpm
stuff, whose lifetime is less than the red cables, cable failures
are not a problem, keeping the 10k rust cool is. So I manage to keep
1 or 2 non-reds to go in whatever I might build handy. For what I
build to run linuxcnc on, I've also found the $50 on sale 60GB SSD's
are noticeably faster than spinning rust.
Nice thing about getting older, though: one tends
to remember what
is really important (stuff like this), and only forget things like
appointments, or where I put my glasses.
Yeah, I was supposed to go let the vampires have a sample yesterday
to check my INI on my warfarin dose, but plumb forgot about it what
with pulling a gear out of a lathes apron for a guy in WI who's gear
is missing a tooth, a tooth I'll never need because the computer, an
r-pi-3b, does all that better than the gear, ploting a wheel chair
ramp into the front deck in between these ^%$#@ nor-easters, and
taking some clean clothes to the shop where my wife is currently
wearing a cast on a broken leg, and its not scheduled for removal
till late May. A heavy smoker, she has paper mache bones, and at 83
lbs, zero padding. I quit cold turkey 30 years ago, just before we
got married, but she is well and truly hooked.
I'm a DM-II and have managed to lose from 215 when I retired in
2002, down to around 155 which helps with the sugar, and an abused
back. I'd like to lose another 10 or 15, getting totally rid of the
bay window, but I like to eat too. >
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New subject: age & health & weight
William Morder wrote:
I am a big guy, so it I could get my weight down below
230 or 240, I would
think about training for the Olympics. But right now my weight has been
going way up, because I also like to eat, and unfortunately that's about
my only means of entertainment.
Thats not much of a problem - the question is what you eat. If you eat
vegetables or fruits it would be fine, I guess, combined with some sports
would help. For example there is a bike trainer that you can do while
watching the news, or reading a book.
11:06 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: age & health & weight
On Saturday 17 March 2018 13:28:35 deloptes wrote:
William Morder wrote:
There's a bike trainer (I think A-1 was the brand name) that uses your
existing bike, if you have one; but that doesn't do the workout for arms and
the rest of the body. I like it because it doesn't take up a lot of space
except when you're actually using it; folds up and is about the size of a
briefcase. And then you also have your actual bike for riding outdoors if you
want. But those other bike trainers (the ones take up a lot of space, and
can't be folded up into a compact size and set out of the way) will not work
for me. And I did try an exercise bike many years ago, but found that I would
rather be outside in the fresh air, riding an actual bike.
Bill
I am a big guy, so it I could get my weight down
below 230 or 240, I
would think about training for the Olympics. But right now my weight has
been going way up, because I also like to eat, and unfortunately that's
about my only means of entertainment.
Thats not much of a problem - the question is what you eat. If you eat
vegetables or fruits it would be fine, I guess, combined with some sports
would help. For example there is a bike trainer that you can do while
watching the news, or reading a book.
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18 Mar
18 Mar
7:43 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] age & health & weight
William Morder composed on 2018-03-17 07:42 (UTC-0700):
Also, drink lots of water, and eat fresh fruit. I got
that from somebody long
ago who lost something like 200 lbs, and it does work. But then, I need to
get with it myself again.
I was past 60 when I lost 24% of my body weight in 16 months purely by smart
food shopping. That was over 3 years ago and I haven't gained any back. When you
don't have what you shouldn't eat, you eat what you should, or nothing.
I used what and how to eat recommendations from the following who either wrote
books or have web sites or both:
Don Colbert MD
Joel Fuhrman MD
Steven Pratt MD
Dr Mark Hyman
Dr Steven Masley
Dr David Perlmutter
Dr Daniel G Amen
Some of these show up on PBS and/or TBN TV occasionally, which is how I was
originally exposed to 6 of those 7.
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7:57 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] age & health & weight
On Sunday 18 March 2018 00:43:45 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder composed on 2018-03-17 07:42
(UTC-0700):
I have been trying out a very old method that seems to be coming back:
fasting, but modified according to my own life and limitations. Not an
absolute fast, but most days I find I can live quite contentedly on raw
fruits and vegetables, and maybe a little bread. (I bake my own whole grain
sourdough.) If I crave protein, there are always non-meat sources, like
beans, legumes, nuts, and so on.
All those ancient sages who went off to live in the wilderness, absorbed in
meditation and fasting, and then lived to 90 or 100 years: maybe they were on
to something. There were a couple shows on PBS about this so-called fasting
diet; but like I said, it is only reducing calorie intake for most of the
week (maybe 4 or 5 days) then having real meals on the other two days.
Long ago I read a book, *Diet for a Small Planet*, by Frances Moore Lappe (I
think there's an accent in her last name). Beans and whole grain rice, for
example, make a complete protein; the same for other combinations, like
hummus and pita bread, or even peanut butter and whole grain bread (although
not so much protein in peanut butter by itself). I'm not a vegetarian, but I
try to cut back on the meat.
Then a couple times a week, I have a bigger meal, with actual meat. I avoid
fried foods, don't smoke, and generally eat pretty healthy. My only real vice
is coffee, so I splurge and make sure it's really good coffee.
My problem is how to get exercise while living in a part of the city that is
all concrete. If I just got more exercise, I think I would be doing great,
but my circumstances are not good. Still, everything changes, and things are
slowly getting better again.
Bill
Also, drink lots of water, and eat fresh fruit. I
got that from somebody
long ago who lost something like 200 lbs, and it does work. But then, I
need to get with it myself again.
I was past 60 when I lost 24% of my body weight in 16 months purely by
smart food shopping. That was over 3 years ago and I haven't gained any
back. When you don't have what you shouldn't eat, you eat what you should,
or nothing.
I used what and how to eat recommendations from the following who either
wrote books or have web sites or both:
Don Colbert MD
Joel Fuhrman MD
Steven Pratt MD
Dr Mark Hyman
Dr Steven Masley
Dr David Perlmutter
Dr Daniel G Amen
Some of these show up on PBS and/or TBN TV occasionally, which is how I was
originally exposed to 6 of those 7. 
11:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] age & health & weight
On Sunday 18 March 2018 08:57:56 William Morder wrote:
On Sunday 18 March 2018 00:43:45 Felix Miata wrote:
Yes, all this are very relevant to trinity -_-
the mods should spank you :P
I didn't bother to read all the previous stuff
But i'll mention complications with losing weight...
When the body lacks energy, and needs it fast
it will burn MUSCLE!!!!
it burns fat slowly....
When you exercise, you DON'T try to lose calories
You try to build muscle,
this way your metabolism at rest increases
and burn fat faster.
When exercising, you take extra sugar to avoid burning muscle
You can tell if you burned muscle, your piss has a chemical smells
(ammonia/urea)
Also, if you are very fat. The body will detect that you lost say.... 20
kilos, it will try to resist, because it thinks you are dying. You should be
losing large weights in smaller increments with some time between the
increments, so that the body consider the new weight as normal....
And also, you should be psychologically fine (not depressed).
In short:
cut all fats
take sugar only when you need to give physical effort
eat plenty of proteins and vegetables.
exercise to build muscles, short bursts of lots of force(body building, lift
weights, pushups , don't use the elevator etc...).
Losing weight just by dieting is too difficult....
Don't lose more then 1 kg a week.
If you are really very fat, do it in small increments.
William Morder composed on 2018-03-17 07:42
(UTC-0700):
I have been trying out a very old method that seems to be coming back:
fasting, but modified according to my own life and limitations. Not an
absolute fast, but most days I find I can live quite contentedly on raw
fruits and vegetables, and maybe a little bread. (I bake my own whole grain
sourdough.) If I crave protein, there are always non-meat sources, like
beans, legumes, nuts, and so on.
All those ancient sages who went off to live in the wilderness, absorbed in
meditation and fasting, and then lived to 90 or 100 years: maybe they were
on to something. There were a couple shows on PBS about this so-called
fasting diet; but like I said, it is only reducing calorie intake for most
of the week (maybe 4 or 5 days) then having real meals on the other two
days.
Long ago I read a book, *Diet for a Small Planet*, by Frances Moore Lappe
(I think there's an accent in her last name). Beans and whole grain rice,
for example, make a complete protein; the same for other combinations, like
hummus and pita bread, or even peanut butter and whole grain bread
(although not so much protein in peanut butter by itself). I'm not a
vegetarian, but I try to cut back on the meat.
Then a couple times a week, I have a bigger meal, with actual meat. I avoid
fried foods, don't smoke, and generally eat pretty healthy. My only real
vice is coffee, so I splurge and make sure it's really good coffee.
My problem is how to get exercise while living in a part of the city that
is all concrete. If I just got more exercise, I think I would be doing
great, but my circumstances are not good. Still, everything changes, and
things are slowly getting better again.
Bill Also, drink lots of water, and eat fresh fruit. I
got that from
somebody long ago who lost something like 200 lbs, and it does work.
But then, I need to get with it myself again.
I was past 60 when I lost 24% of my body weight in 16 months purely by
smart food shopping. That was over 3 years ago and I haven't gained any
back. When you don't have what you shouldn't eat, you eat what you
should, or nothing.
I used what and how to eat recommendations from the following who either
wrote books or have web sites or both:
Don Colbert MD
Joel Fuhrman MD
Steven Pratt MD
Dr Mark Hyman
Dr Steven Masley
Dr David Perlmutter
Dr Daniel G Amen
Some of these show up on PBS and/or TBN TV occasionally, which is how I
was originally exposed to 6 of those 7.
19 Mar
19 Mar
12:22 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] age & health & weight
wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com composed on 2018-03-19 00:22 (UTC+0100):
cut all fats
That is an unfortunate myth. "Current evidence does not clearly support
cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated
fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats."[1]
The fats to eliminate are trans fats and interesterified fats, and to minimize,
most liquid fats (vegetable oils except for olive and coconut) and
polyunsaturated fats.
The problems are media, textbooks, doctors and medical schools haven't yet
caught up to all available facts, and food industry inertia, which tends to
maximize profit by producing what people think they want and need rather than
what they should want and do need.
Increasing saturated fat intake generally *reduces* arterial plaque buildup,
increases HDL, decreases bad LDL, and increases good LDL[2].
Sugars and simple carbs that quickly convert to sugar during digestion (e.g.
boxed cereals and commercially produced breads, which BTW are almost all GMO)
increase hunger and increase insulin (one of the hunger hormones) production,
which stimulates fat accumulation by converting the excess sugar to fat.
Low- or reduced-fat foods generally "feature" proportionately higher bad carbs,
retard satiety and induce over-eating.
Fats reduce hunger.
[1]
<http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1846638/association-dietary-circulating-supplement-fatty-acids-coronary-risk-systematic-review>
[2] <http://atvb.ahajournals.org/content/25/11/2265>
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12:53 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] age & health & weight
On Sunday 18 March 2018 16:22:26 wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 18 March 2018 08:57:56 William Morder
wrote:
At least I had the decency to change the heading. This thread started out
talking about something perfectly Trinity.
If I am to be spanked, though, please be gentle; or we need more beautiful
women to be hired as mods. (I don't notice any women in any of the postings
here.) Also, other people started complaining about their health issues; I
was just trying to help, because if they're not healthy enough to work at
their computers, then this is bad for Trinity.
So you see, we did it for the good of the group.
On Sunday 18 March 2018 00:43:45 Felix Miata
wrote:
Yes, all this are very relevant to trinity -_-
the mods should spank you :P
William Morder composed on 2018-03-17 07:42
(UTC-0700):
I have been trying out a very old method that seems to be coming back:
fasting, but modified according to my own life and limitations. Not an
absolute fast, but most days I find I can live quite contentedly on raw
fruits and vegetables, and maybe a little bread. (I bake my own whole
grain sourdough.) If I crave protein, there are always non-meat sources,
like beans, legumes, nuts, and so on.
All those ancient sages who went off to live in the wilderness, absorbed
in meditation and fasting, and then lived to 90 or 100 years: maybe they
were on to something. There were a couple shows on PBS about this
so-called fasting diet; but like I said, it is only reducing calorie
intake for most of the week (maybe 4 or 5 days) then having real meals on
the other two days.
Long ago I read a book, *Diet for a Small Planet*, by Frances Moore Lappe
(I think there's an accent in her last name). Beans and whole grain rice,
for example, make a complete protein; the same for other combinations,
like hummus and pita bread, or even peanut butter and whole grain bread
(although not so much protein in peanut butter by itself). I'm not a
vegetarian, but I try to cut back on the meat.
Then a couple times a week, I have a bigger meal, with actual meat. I
avoid fried foods, don't smoke, and generally eat pretty healthy. My only
real vice is coffee, so I splurge and make sure it's really good coffee.
My problem is how to get exercise while living in a part of the city that
is all concrete. If I just got more exercise, I think I would be doing
great, but my circumstances are not good. Still, everything changes, and
things are slowly getting better again.
Bill Also, drink lots of water, and eat fresh fruit. I
got that from
somebody long ago who lost something like 200 lbs, and it does work.
But then, I need to get with it myself again.
I was past 60 when I lost 24% of my body weight in 16 months purely by
smart food shopping. That was over 3 years ago and I haven't gained any
back. When you don't have what you shouldn't eat, you eat what you
should, or nothing.
I used what and how to eat recommendations from the following who
either wrote books or have web sites or both:
Don Colbert MD
Joel Fuhrman MD
Steven Pratt MD
Dr Mark Hyman
Dr Steven Masley
Dr David Perlmutter
Dr Daniel G Amen
Some of these show up on PBS and/or TBN TV occasionally, which is how I
was originally exposed to 6 of those 7. I didn't bother to read all the previous stuff
But i'll mention complications with losing weight...
When the body lacks energy, and needs it fast
it will burn MUSCLE!!!!
it burns fat slowly....
When you exercise, you DON'T try to lose calories
You try to build muscle,
this way your metabolism at rest increases
and burn fat faster.
When exercising, you take extra sugar to avoid burning muscle
You can tell if you burned muscle, your piss has a chemical smells
(ammonia/urea)
Also, if you are very fat. The body will detect that you lost say.... 20
kilos, it will try to resist, because it thinks you are dying. You should
be losing large weights in smaller increments with some time between the
increments, so that the body consider the new weight as normal.... And
also, you should be psychologically fine (not depressed).
In short:
cut all fats
take sugar only when you need to give physical effort
eat plenty of proteins and vegetables.
exercise to build muscles, short bursts of lots of force(body building,
lift weights, pushups , don't use the elevator etc...).
Losing weight just by dieting is too difficult....
Don't lose more then 1 kg a week.
If you are really very fat, do it in small increments.
All this is good advice, but the main thing is just to do it.
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16 Mar
16 Mar
10:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] "Start Job"
On Friday 16 March 2018 15:22:22 Baron wrote:
Hi Gene, Thank you for your reply,
On Friday 16 March 2018 17:44:08 Gene Heskett wrote:
Yes, smartctl-tools iirc.
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On Friday 16 March 2018 10:13:31 Baron wrote:
I can't find "smartctrl" on this machine, is it something that I have
to install ?
Thanks: Hi Guys,
An annoying issue has appeared !
I'm running Q4OS, Trinity Desktop on an AMD dual core machine
with 2Gb ram and 500Gb HDD.
Problem: On boot up, maybe every second or third time, I get a
black screen with "[*** ] Start job running - ~0.XX seconds.
1:30." If I Ctrl Alt Del the machine restarts with the same
screen and message. If I let it continue, I then get a page of
text with "Ctrl D" to continue, "Or enter Root Password to Login"
Using "Ctrl D" everything just stops and I have to hard boot the
machine, It then goes back to the start job again.
If I login with the root password, I get pages and pages of what
I think maybe logs. At the end of this if I "StartX" I get my
normal desktop. At this point if I logout and hard boot the
machine, everything comes up as normal.
I haven't a clue what is going on here... Help !
Thanks Guys:
That waddles and quacks like an e2fsck, and may be indicative of a
failing hard drive. Get a report from it with smartctl.
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