Got a new workstation. Wrong video card. The vendor -- rhymes with Bell -- was happy to send me a 2-port card and 3 displays when I ordered a card that had 3 ports (because, hello, three displays).
No problem, purchasing person, just have them send me the new card and I'll send the old one back. Nope, no can do, user guy. Send the whole system back.
Three weeks later ...
I decide I want the latest Kubuntu. I see that there is no TDE for 14.04 so I think "OK, surely they've made KDE 4 usable by now given that it's been how many years?"
Um, no. Panels won't extend across multiple screens - have to have one for each. Do those stay on the screens where you put them? No they don't. Surely this is something new. No, it is not - googling around tells me that it's at least 5 years old *and* the plasma idiots say that this won't be fixed because it isn't a problem.
Even *Konsole* is farked up. What a mess.
So here I am ... begging for 14.04 support in TDE because I really don't have the time to spend reinstalling *again* (I skipped over the Fedora 20 and CentOS 6 chapters of the story). This is a work system, where I do work, not a play system where I play. That is a distinction lost on the plasma/KDE 4 idiots.
Help?
On Monday 11 of August 2014 22:08:52 Peter Laws wrote:
Got a new workstation. Wrong video card. The vendor -- rhymes with Bell -- was happy to send me a 2-port card and 3 displays when I ordered a card that had 3 ports (because, hello, three displays).
No problem, purchasing person, just have them send me the new card and I'll send the old one back. Nope, no can do, user guy. Send the whole system back.
Three weeks later ...
I decide I want the latest Kubuntu. I see that there is no TDE for 14.04 so I think "OK, surely they've made KDE 4 usable by now given that it's been how many years?"
Um, no. Panels won't extend across multiple screens - have to have one for each. Do those stay on the screens where you put them? No they don't. Surely this is something new. No, it is not - googling around tells me that it's at least 5 years old *and* the plasma idiots say that this won't be fixed because it isn't a problem.
Even *Konsole* is farked up. What a mess.
So here I am ... begging for 14.04 support in TDE because I really don't have the time to spend reinstalling *again* (I skipped over the Fedora 20 and CentOS 6 chapters of the story). This is a work system, where I do work, not a play system where I play. That is a distinction lost on the plasma/KDE 4 idiots.
Help?
For Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) you can use the development version of TDE R14. You have two options:
1) Official nightly-builds: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build-dep... trusty main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/ub... trusty main
2) Alternative preliminary-stable-builds: deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb trusty deps-r14 main-r14
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Got a new workstation. Wrong video card. The vendor -- rhymes with Bell -- was happy to send me a 2-port card and 3 displays when I ordered a card that had 3 ports (because, hello, three displays).
No problem, purchasing person, just have them send me the new card and I'll send the old one back. Nope, no can do, user guy. Send the whole system back.
Three weeks later ...
I decide I want the latest Kubuntu. I see that there is no TDE for 14.04 so I think "OK, surely they've made KDE 4 usable by now given that it's been how many years?"
Um, no. Panels won't extend across multiple screens - have to have one for each. Do those stay on the screens where you put them? No they don't. Surely this is something new. No, it is not - googling around tells me that it's at least 5 years old *and* the plasma idiots say that this won't be fixed because it isn't a problem.
Even *Konsole* is farked up. What a mess.
So here I am ... begging for 14.04 support in TDE because I really don't have the time to spend reinstalling *again* (I skipped over the Fedora 20 and CentOS 6 chapters of the story). This is a work system, where I do work, not a play system where I play. That is a distinction lost on the plasma/KDE 4 idiots.
Help?
Thanks for the feedback, it is quite valuable to us! I am very surprised KDE4 has not been fixed at this late date; TDE still has a place then beyond my niche requirements.
My best advice is to use the R14 nightly builds. They are quite functional, and the only reason that R14 has not yet been released is that we are cleaning up odd little regressions and bugs here and there.
Simply follow the instructions here, substituting "trusty" for "oneiric": http://trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/NightlyBuilds
Tim
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 04:02:28 Timothy Pearson wrote:
TDE still has a place then beyond my niche requirements.
Your niche requirements, my "niche" requirements, the niche requirements of most of us on this list and a good few who have the requirements and don't know that anything could be done about it.
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter. And I personally actually can't see things properly when they shimmer translucently and move all the time.
Thank you again, developers.
Lisi
Am Dienstag, 12. August 2014 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 04:02:28 Timothy Pearson wrote:
TDE still has a place then beyond my niche requirements.
Your niche requirements, my "niche" requirements, the niche requirements of most of us on this list and a good few who have the requirements and don't know that anything could be done about it.
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter. And I personally actually can't see things properly when they shimmer translucently and move all the time.
Thank you again, developers.
Lisi
+1
nik
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter.
I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appeareance before functionality!!
Cheers Michele
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:00:23 +0100 From: michele.calgaro@yahoo.it To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] I am so, so sorry - Kubuntu 14.04
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter.
I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appeareance before functionality!!
Cheers Michele
One of the other niches for TDE is also for badly supported hardware. Yes, it is still sometime the case of Linux in 2014. Newer DE needing advanced and good graphic drivers can't work properly for users like me who are stuck with a brand new computer with vesa or fbdev performance drivers, because the kind of Intel Poulsbo graphic card will never be well supported in Linux. Newer DE can't even deal with basic video. Also, performance and useability is still better on TDE, with PCLinuxOS being almost the only distro with sane KDE settings out-of-the-box.
-Alexandre
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 14:00:23 Michele Calgaro wrote:
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter.
I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's
wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appeareance before functionality!!
Cheers Michele
It seems pretty straightforward to me. The name gives it away!
Perhaps KDE4 is targetted towards computer users who 4 years old!
Of course, on the other hand, KDE3 was designed for computer users 3 times smarter than the usual computer user. 8-)
Another example of glitter over substance:
I remember the 1st time I tried out an early version of Knoppix. I was astounded by the amount of software on the live cd. It was truly incredible. Absolutely amazing. Later on I tried a newer version which had drivers for wide screens. There was practically NO software on the cd, BUT the windows wobbled when you moved them.
I consider myself to be fairly intelligent but to this day I have yet to figure out why on earth somebody would want a window and its contents to wobble. It was definitely targetting a 4 year old. I stopped being a 4 year old more than 50 years ago. (no doubt I will be back at that stage in another 20 years or more) but for the moment I just want computer to WORK FOR ME. If I want the world to wobble I will drink a few beers!
Lou
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 15.42:09 Lou Gogan wrote:
I consider myself to be fairly intelligent but to this day I have yet to figure out why on earth somebody would want a window and its contents to wobble.
The first time I got an option to install that, I must admit I found it very funny... for about 30 seconds. then I removed the effect because it's useless.
Actually, even with Trinity I set the effect to the minimum...
Thierry
On 08/12/14 08:42, Lou Gogan wrote:
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 14:00:23 Michele Calgaro wrote:
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter.
I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's
wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appeareance before functionality!!
Cheers Michele
out why on earth somebody would want a window and its contents to wobble. It was definitely targetting a 4 year old. I stopped being a 4 year old more than 50 years ago. (no doubt I will be back at that stage in another 20 years or more) but for the moment I just want computer to WORK FOR ME. If I want the
Now, then, it's been 45+ years since I was *chronologically* a four-year-old, however ... :-)
KDE4 is really quite sad. I was willing to accept the eye candy but even then, it doesn't work right. If you put a panel at the top of a screen it should be there after you go home at night and then come in the next day. Nope. All panels stuffed into one screen. And I didn't even logout, just locked the screen.
So. At Slávek's suggestion, I installed all the TDE packages from his repo. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get the last few packages to install. I keep getting stuck here:
sudo apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: crystalcursors tdmtheme-trinity Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity Recommended packages: tde-ubuntu-integration The following NEW packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 191 not upgraded. 260 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/248 kB of archives. After this operation, 589 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 166837 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166_amd64.deb ... Unpacking ksmserver-trinity (4:14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/plasma-desktop', which is also in package plasma-desktop 4:4.11.10-0ubuntu0.1 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
I did the autoremove as apt-get suggested, which gives me:
plaws@toto3:plaws $ sudo apt-get autoremove Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity but it is not installed Recommends: kubuntu-default-settings-trinity but it is not installed Recommends: kubuntu-docs-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: networkstatus-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: libreoffice-trinity but it is not installable or openoffice.org-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: powernowd but it is not installable Recommends: scim-bridge-client-qt but it is not installable Recommends: scim-qtimm but it is not installable Recommends: skim but it is not installable Recommends: system-config-printer-tde-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo-trinity but it is not installable tdebase-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0-s~1268-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
And of course '-f' gives me the same. Do I need to remove some of the KDE4 packages? If so, which ones?
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On 08/12/14 08:42, Lou Gogan wrote:
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 14:00:23 Michele Calgaro wrote:
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter.
I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's
wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appeareance before functionality!!
Cheers Michele
out why on earth somebody would want a window and its contents to wobble. It was definitely targetting a 4 year old. I stopped being a 4 year old more than 50 years ago. (no doubt I will be back at that stage in another 20 years or more) but for the moment I just want computer to WORK FOR ME. If I want the
Now, then, it's been 45+ years since I was *chronologically* a four-year-old, however ... :-)
KDE4 is really quite sad. I was willing to accept the eye candy but even then, it doesn't work right. If you put a panel at the top of a screen it should be there after you go home at night and then come in the next day. Nope. All panels stuffed into one screen. And I didn't even logout, just locked the screen.
So. At Slávek's suggestion, I installed all the TDE packages from his repo. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get the last few packages to install. I keep getting stuck here:
sudo apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: crystalcursors tdmtheme-trinity Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity Recommended packages: tde-ubuntu-integration The following NEW packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 191 not upgraded. 260 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/248 kB of archives. After this operation, 589 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 166837 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166_amd64.deb ... Unpacking ksmserver-trinity (4:14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/plasma-desktop', which is also in package plasma-desktop 4:4.11.10-0ubuntu0.1 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
I did the autoremove as apt-get suggested, which gives me:
plaws@toto3:plaws $ sudo apt-get autoremove Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity but it is not installed Recommends: kubuntu-default-settings-trinity but it is not installed Recommends: kubuntu-docs-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: networkstatus-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: libreoffice-trinity but it is not installable or openoffice.org-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: powernowd but it is not installable Recommends: scim-bridge-client-qt but it is not installable Recommends: scim-qtimm but it is not installable Recommends: skim but it is not installable Recommends: system-config-printer-tde-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo-trinity but it is not installable tdebase-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0-s~1268-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
And of course '-f' gives me the same. Do I need to remove some of the KDE4 packages? If so, which ones?
Slavek, when we removed the Plasma diverts from ksmserver-trinity I thought we also removed the plasma-desktop file from the same package. Did we miss something here or is the version of tdebase in your PPA not up to date yet?
Thanks!
Tim
Dne po 18. srpna 2014 Timothy Pearson napsal(a):
On 08/12/14 08:42, Lou Gogan wrote:
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 14:00:23 Michele Calgaro wrote:
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter.
I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's
wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appeareance before functionality!!
Cheers Michele
out why on earth somebody would want a window and its contents to wobble. It was definitely targetting a 4 year old. I stopped being a 4 year old more than 50 years ago. (no doubt I will be back at that stage in another 20 years or more) but for the moment I just want computer to WORK FOR ME. If I want the
Now, then, it's been 45+ years since I was *chronologically* a four-year-old, however ... :-)
KDE4 is really quite sad. I was willing to accept the eye candy but even then, it doesn't work right. If you put a panel at the top of a screen it should be there after you go home at night and then come in the next day. Nope. All panels stuffed into one screen. And I didn't even logout, just locked the screen.
So. At Slávek's suggestion, I installed all the TDE packages from his repo. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get the last few packages to install. I keep getting stuck here:
sudo apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: crystalcursors tdmtheme-trinity Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity Recommended packages: tde-ubuntu-integration The following NEW packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 191 not upgraded. 260 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/248 kB of archives. After this operation, 589 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 166837 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166_amd64.deb ... Unpacking ksmserver-trinity (4:14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04. 1+166_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/plasma-desktop', which is also in package plasma-desktop 4:4.11.10-0ubuntu0.1 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
I did the autoremove as apt-get suggested, which gives me:
plaws@toto3:plaws $ sudo apt-get autoremove Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity but it is not installed Recommends: kubuntu-default-settings-trinity but it is not installed Recommends: kubuntu-docs-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: networkstatus-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: libreoffice-trinity but it is not installable or openoffice.org-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: powernowd but it is not installable Recommends: scim-bridge-client-qt but it is not installable Recommends: scim-qtimm but it is not installable Recommends: skim but it is not installable Recommends: system-config-printer-tde-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo-trinity but it is not installable tdebase-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0-s~1268-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
And of course '-f' gives me the same. Do I need to remove some of the KDE4 packages? If so, which ones?
Slavek, when we removed the Plasma diverts from ksmserver-trinity I thought we also removed the plasma-desktop file from the same package. Did we miss something here or is the version of tdebase in your PPA not up to date yet?
Thanks!
Tim
Divert were removed in commit c1049b58 (tde-packaging), but not files. I was not sure what was your intention at the time, so I did not interfere in that. I guess I should talk about it at that time :)
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Dne po 18. srpna 2014 Timothy Pearson napsal(a):
On 08/12/14 08:42, Lou Gogan wrote:
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 14:00:23 Michele Calgaro wrote:
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter.
I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's
wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appeareance
before
functionality!!
Cheers Michele
out why on earth somebody would want a window and its contents to wobble. It was definitely targetting a 4 year old. I stopped being a 4 year old more than 50 years ago. (no doubt I will be back at that stage in another 20
years
or more) but for the moment I just want computer to WORK FOR ME. If I
want
the
Now, then, it's been 45+ years since I was *chronologically* a four-year-old, however ... :-)
KDE4 is really quite sad. I was willing to accept the eye candy but
even
then, it doesn't work right. If you put a panel at the top of a
screen
it should be there after you go home at night and then come in the
next
day. Nope. All panels stuffed into one screen. And I didn't even logout, just locked the screen.
So. At Slávek's suggestion, I installed all the TDE packages from his repo. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get the last few packages to install. I keep getting stuck here:
sudo apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: crystalcursors tdmtheme-trinity Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity Recommended packages: tde-ubuntu-integration The following NEW packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 191 not upgraded. 260 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/248 kB of archives. After this operation, 589 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 166837 files and directories currently
installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166_amd64.deb
...
Unpacking ksmserver-trinity (4:14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04. 1+166_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/plasma-desktop', which is also in
package
plasma-desktop 4:4.11.10-0ubuntu0.1 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
I did the autoremove as apt-get suggested, which gives me:
plaws@toto3:plaws $ sudo apt-get autoremove Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity but it is not installed Recommends:
kubuntu-default-settings-trinity
but it is not installed Recommends: kubuntu-docs-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: networkstatus-trinity but it
is
not installable Recommends: libreoffice-trinity but it is
not
installable or openoffice.org-trinity but it
is
not installable Recommends: powernowd but it is not installable Recommends: scim-bridge-client-qt but it
is
not installable Recommends: scim-qtimm but it is not installable Recommends: skim but it is not installable Recommends:
system-config-printer-tde-trinity
but it is not installable Recommends: plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo-trinity but it is not installable tdebase-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0-s~1268-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
And of course '-f' gives me the same. Do I need to remove some of the KDE4 packages? If so, which ones?
Slavek, when we removed the Plasma diverts from ksmserver-trinity I thought we also removed the plasma-desktop file from the same package. Did we miss something here or is the version of tdebase in your PPA not up to date yet?
Thanks!
Tim
Divert were removed in commit c1049b58 (tde-packaging), but not files. I was not sure what was your intention at the time, so I did not interfere in that. I guess I should talk about it at that time :)
-- Slavek
The files should be removed as well. IIRC this was possible after the TDE environment variables no longer stepped all over the KDE environment variables; specifically Plasma should no longer load in a TDE session unless manually started.
Tim
On 08/18/14 12:29, Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne po 18. srpna 2014 Timothy Pearson napsal(a):
Slavek, when we removed the Plasma diverts from ksmserver-trinity I thought we also removed the plasma-desktop file from the same package. Did we miss something here or is the version of tdebase in your PPA not up to date yet?
Thanks!
Tim
Divert were removed in commit c1049b58 (tde-packaging), but not files. I was not sure what was your intention at the time, so I did not interfere in that. I guess I should talk about it at that time :)
Sorry - I don't recall being very clear. :-)
It's a (fairly fresh) Kubuntu 14.04 install. I pulled the TDE packages from your repo of "almost stable" stuff.
If I pull it all out and use the nightlies, will I fare better?
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On 08/18/14 12:29, Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne po 18. srpna 2014 Timothy Pearson napsal(a):
Slavek, when we removed the Plasma diverts from ksmserver-trinity I thought we also removed the plasma-desktop file from the same package. Did we miss something here or is the version of tdebase in your PPA not up to date yet?
Thanks!
Tim
Divert were removed in commit c1049b58 (tde-packaging), but not files. I was not sure what was your intention at the time, so I did not interfere in that. I guess I should talk about it at that time :)
Sorry - I don't recall being very clear. :-)
It's a (fairly fresh) Kubuntu 14.04 install. I pulled the TDE packages from your repo of "almost stable" stuff.
If I pull it all out and use the nightlies, will I fare better?
Fastest way to fix this for you is for you to just remove the incompatible plasma-desktop package. We need to fix whatever broke the TDE<-->KDE compatibility, but in your case since you're not interested in using the Plasma desktop just de-install it and stick with TDE.
Tim
On 08/18/14 16:45, Timothy Pearson wrote:
Sorry - I don't recall being very clear. :-)
It's a (fairly fresh) Kubuntu 14.04 install. I pulled the TDE packages from your repo of "almost stable" stuff.
If I pull it all out and use the nightlies, will I fare better?
Fastest way to fix this for you is for you to just remove the incompatible plasma-desktop package. We need to fix whatever broke the TDE<-->KDE compatibility, but in your case since you're not interested in using the Plasma desktop just de-install it and stick with TDE.
Since I'm "using" KDE4, should I assume I need to uninstall that pkg from the console? I use "scare quotes" because KDE4 isn't actually usable. :-)
Anything else beyond that once I remove plasma-desktop (4:4.11.10-0ubuntu0.1)?
On Monday 18 of August 2014 23:51:39 Peter Laws wrote:
On 08/18/14 16:45, Timothy Pearson wrote:
Sorry - I don't recall being very clear. :-)
It's a (fairly fresh) Kubuntu 14.04 install. I pulled the TDE packages from your repo of "almost stable" stuff.
If I pull it all out and use the nightlies, will I fare better?
Fastest way to fix this for you is for you to just remove the incompatible plasma-desktop package. We need to fix whatever broke the TDE<-->KDE compatibility, but in your case since you're not interested in using the Plasma desktop just de-install it and stick with TDE.
Since I'm "using" KDE4, should I assume I need to uninstall that pkg from the console? I use "scare quotes" because KDE4 isn't actually usable. :-)
Anything else beyond that once I remove plasma-desktop (4:4.11.10-0ubuntu0.1)?
Should be fixed in commit 4ac8a1a8 (tde-packaging). Updated packages are already available in apt source.
On 08/19/14 15:36, Slávek Banko wrote:
On Monday 18 of August 2014 23:51:39 Peter Laws wrote:
Anything else beyond that once I remove plasma-desktop (4:4.11.10-0ubuntu0.1)?
Should be fixed in commit 4ac8a1a8 (tde-packaging). Updated packages are already available in apt source.
Seems to be working!
Will TDE just be a menu item on the login screen?
On 08/19/14 15:40, Peter Laws wrote:
Seems to be working!
Will TDE just be a menu item on the login screen?
Answer: yes.
SO HAPPY TO BE WORKING AGAIN!
Kinda glad to see that I'm not the only person who still prefers K3. The K4 makers keep pushing shiny crap (plasma!) while ignoring what is truly important - a working OS.
It seems like *every* third update includes "better" icons. And more bugs... :-(
Tini
--- Original Message --- From: Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it To: trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] I am so, so sorry - Kubuntu 14.04 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter.
I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appearance before functionality!!
Cheers Michele
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On 14-08-12 02:05 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 12 August 2014 04:02:28 Timothy Pearson wrote:
TDE still has a place then beyond my niche requirements.
Your niche requirements, my "niche" requirements, the niche requirements of most of us on this list and a good few who have the requirements and don't know that anything could be done about it.
There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter. And I personally actually can't see things properly when they shimmer translucently and move all the time.
Thank you again, developers.
Lisi
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