On Tuesday 12 August 2014 04:02:28 Timothy Pearson wrote: Your niche requirements, my "niche" requirements, the niche requirements of most of us on this list and a good few who have the requirements and don't know that anything could be done about it. There are still people in the world who like things to *work*, not glitter. And I personally actually can't see things properly when they shimmer translucently and move all the time. Thank you again, developers. Lisi

I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appeareance before functionality!! Cheers Michele

On Tuesday 12 August 2014 14:00:23 Michele Calgaro wrote: wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appeareance before functionality!! It seems pretty straightforward to me. The name gives it away! Perhaps KDE4 is targetted towards computer users who 4 years old! Of course, on the other hand, KDE3 was designed for computer users 3 times smarter than the usual computer user. 8-) Another example of glitter over substance: I remember the 1st time I tried out an early version of Knoppix. I was astounded by the amount of software on the live cd. It was truly incredible. Absolutely amazing. Later on I tried a newer version which had drivers for wide screens. There was practically NO software on the cd, BUT the windows wobbled when you moved them. I consider myself to be fairly intelligent but to this day I have yet to figure out why on earth somebody would want a window and its contents to wobble. It was definitely targetting a 4 year old. I stopped being a 4 year old more than 50 years ago. (no doubt I will be back at that stage in another 20 years or more) but for the moment I just want computer to WORK FOR ME. If I want the world to wobble I will drink a few beers! Lou

On 08/12/14 08:42, Lou Gogan wrote: Now, then, it's been 45+ years since I was *chronologically* a four-year-old, however ... :-) KDE4 is really quite sad. I was willing to accept the eye candy but even then, it doesn't work right. If you put a panel at the top of a screen it should be there after you go home at night and then come in the next day. Nope. All panels stuffed into one screen. And I didn't even logout, just locked the screen. So. At Slávek's suggestion, I installed all the TDE packages from his repo. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get the last few packages to install. I keep getting stuck here: sudo apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: crystalcursors tdmtheme-trinity Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity Recommended packages: tde-ubuntu-integration The following NEW packages will be installed: ksmserver-trinity 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 191 not upgraded. 260 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/248 kB of archives. After this operation, 589 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 166837 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166_amd64.deb ... Unpacking ksmserver-trinity (4:14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/ksmserver-trinity_4%3a14.0.0-s~1270-0ubuntu14.04.1+166_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/plasma-desktop', which is also in package plasma-desktop 4:4.11.10-0ubuntu0.1 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I did the autoremove as apt-get suggested, which gives me: plaws@toto3:plaws $ sudo apt-get autoremove Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: kubuntu-desktop-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity but it is not installed Recommends: kubuntu-default-settings-trinity but it is not installed Recommends: kubuntu-docs-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: networkstatus-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: libreoffice-trinity but it is not installable or openoffice.org-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: powernowd but it is not installable Recommends: scim-bridge-client-qt but it is not installable Recommends: scim-qtimm but it is not installable Recommends: skim but it is not installable Recommends: system-config-printer-tde-trinity but it is not installable Recommends: plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo-trinity but it is not installable tdebase-trinity : Depends: ksmserver-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0-s~1268-0ubuntu14.04.1+166) but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. And of course '-f' gives me the same. Do I need to remove some of the KDE4 packages? If so, which ones? -- Peter Laws / N5UWY National Weather Center / Network Operations Center University of Oklahoma Information Technology plaws(a)ou.edu College of Architecture, Regional and City Planning, MRCP '16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feedback? Contact my director, Matt Younkins, younkinsm(a)ou.edu. Thank you!

Dne po 18. srpna 2014 Timothy Pearson napsal(a): Divert were removed in commit c1049b58 (tde-packaging), but not files. I was not sure what was your intention at the time, so I did not interfere in that. I guess I should talk about it at that time :) -- Slavek

On 08/18/14 12:29, Slávek Banko wrote: Sorry - I don't recall being very clear. :-) It's a (fairly fresh) Kubuntu 14.04 install. I pulled the TDE packages from your repo of "almost stable" stuff. If I pull it all out and use the nightlies, will I fare better? -- Peter Laws / N5UWY National Weather Center / Network Operations Center University of Oklahoma Information Technology plaws(a)ou.edu College of Architecture, Regional and City Planning, MRCP '16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feedback? Contact my director, Matt Younkins, younkinsm(a)ou.edu. Thank you!

On 08/18/14 16:45, Timothy Pearson wrote: Since I'm "using" KDE4, should I assume I need to uninstall that pkg from the console? I use "scare quotes" because KDE4 isn't actually usable. :-) Anything else beyond that once I remove plasma-desktop (4:4.11.10-0ubuntu0.1)? -- Peter Laws / N5UWY National Weather Center / Network Operations Center University of Oklahoma Information Technology plaws(a)ou.edu College of Architecture, Regional and City Planning, MRCP '16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feedback? Contact my director, Matt Younkins, younkinsm(a)ou.edu. Thank you!

On 08/19/14 15:36, Slávek Banko wrote: Seems to be working! Will TDE just be a menu item on the login screen? -- Peter Laws / N5UWY National Weather Center / Network Operations Center University of Oklahoma Information Technology plaws(a)ou.edu College of Architecture, Regional and City Planning, MRCP '16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feedback? Contact my director, Matt Younkins, younkinsm(a)ou.edu. Thank you!

Kinda glad to see that I'm not the only person who still prefers K3. The K4 makers keep pushing shiny crap (plasma!) while ignoring what is truly important - a working OS. It seems like *every* third update includes "better" icons. And more bugs... :-( Tini --- Original Message --- From: Michele Calgaro <michele.calgaro(a)yahoo.it> To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] I am so, so sorry - Kubuntu 14.04 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 I think this is one of the best (if not "the best") description of what's wrong with KDE4, Gnome 3 and any other DE that puts appearance before functionality!! Cheers Michele ---------------------------------------------------------------------