I noticed some of these were already mentioned, though not fixed or answered, so far as I can determine.
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else except login.
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
This last one is a show-stopper for me. If I can't connect and configure on the fly wherever I go, the DE is useless. So, what would you need from me to diagnose this?
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Ed Hurst eddie@soulkiln.org wrote:
I noticed some of these were already mentioned, though not fixed or answered, so far as I can determine.
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else except login.
I noticed this when installing with KDE4 already there. I didn't try with a preinstalled GNOME or LXDE. I fixed it by doing a minimal install of Debian with no gui, then installing via apt-get.
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
Does kdesudo work? If you selected to turn off root logins when installing, kdesu may not work.
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
I didn't have a chance to configure a network (my hard disk died soon after I installed Debian), but if Debian has NetworkManager, you might be able to use KNetworkManager. It will at least support WPA(1/2) if you have the wpa_supplicant service started, but KWifi doesn't.
This last one is a show-stopper for me. If I can't connect and configure on the fly wherever I go, the DE is useless. So, what would you need from me to diagnose this?
-- Ed Hurst
Open for Business - http://ofb.biz/ Kiln of the Soul - http://soulkiln.org/ blog - http://soulkiln.blogspot.com/
Hope that helps!
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:56:22 -0500, Kristopher Gamrat pikidalto@gmail.com wrote:
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else except login.
I noticed this when installing with KDE4 already there. I didn't try with a preinstalled GNOME or LXDE. I fixed it by doing a minimal install of Debian with no gui, then installing via apt-get.
I still use GNOME for certain purposes, so that's not an option right now.
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
Does kdesudo work? If you selected to turn off root logins when installing, kdesu may not work.
I didn't setup sudo because I hate it, and I never need kdesudo. I'm hoping someone can find out why kdesu won't accept the root password when I need to configure something which requires Admin mode.
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
I didn't have a chance to configure a network (my hard disk died soon after I installed Debian), but if Debian has NetworkManager, you might be able to use KNetworkManager. It will at least support WPA(1/2) if you have the wpa_supplicant service started, but KWifi doesn't.
KNetworkManager shows both the wired and wifi, but won't allow me to use them. The interface comes up and is locked, in the sense it doesn't react to the mouse. And I can't get into Admin mode because kdesu won't work.
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Ed Hurst eddie@soulkiln.org wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:56:22 -0500, Kristopher Gamrat pikidalto@gmail.com wrote:
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else except login.
I noticed this when installing with KDE4 already there. I didn't try with a preinstalled GNOME or LXDE. I fixed it by doing a minimal install of Debian with no gui, then installing via apt-get.
I still use GNOME for certain purposes, so that's not an option right now.
You can always install GNOME after. Of course, you'd have to hassle with backing up your settings and docs first.
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
Does kdesudo work? If you selected to turn off root logins when installing, kdesu may not work.
I didn't setup sudo because I hate it, and I never need kdesudo. I'm hoping someone can find out why kdesu won't accept the root password when I need to configure something which requires Admin mode.
Yeah, unprotected sudo isn't very safe, but if kdesu doesn't work, you'll have to kdesudo until it's fixed.
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
I didn't have a chance to configure a network (my hard disk died soon after I installed Debian), but if Debian has NetworkManager, you might be able to use KNetworkManager. It will at least support WPA(1/2) if you have the wpa_supplicant service started, but KWifi doesn't.
KNetworkManager shows both the wired and wifi, but won't allow me to use them. The interface comes up and is locked, in the sense it doesn't react to the mouse. And I can't get into Admin mode because kdesu won't work.
KNetworkManager does require root in Debian AFAIK, so you'll either have to wait or use kdesudo. Or you can take a more annoying and not recomended path of logging in with root, using knetworkmanager, logging out, and going back to your normal user.
-- Ed Hurst
Open for Business - http://ofb.biz/ Kiln of the Soul - http://soulkiln.org/ blog - http://soulkiln.blogspot.com/
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On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, David Hare davidahare@gmail.com wrote:
I still use GNOME for certain purposes,
Maybe there is a conflict because gdm is also running, have a look in sysv-rc-conf
It should also be possible to start/stop Trinity from gdm and not use kdm-trinity
That may be why it had trouble for me -- kdm-trinity and kdm-kde4.
On 17/03/11 01:53, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, David Haredavidahare@gmail.com wrote:
I still use GNOME for certain purposes,
Maybe there is a conflict because gdm is also running, have a look in sysv-rc-conf
It should also be possible to start/stop Trinity from gdm and not use kdm-trinity
That may be why it had trouble for me -- kdm-trinity and kdm-kde4.
I needed to run "update-alternatives --all" after installing LXDE to get the defaults I wanted
Be careful with that if you use it, go through it first without making any changes
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:49:51 -0500, David Hare davidahare@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe there is a conflict because gdm is also running, have a look in sysv-rc-conf. It should also be possible to start/stop Trinity from gdm and not use kdm-trinity.
I tried it both ways. During installation of the Trinity Desktop, apt-get wants you to choose your login manager. At first I tried KDM-Trinity, but it was missing some features. So I went back to GDM3 and there's no problem logging into any session I like.
But since we are told it's a known bug, I'll just wait until these things are replaced in the coming updates. Thanks.
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 19:39, Ed Hurst eddie@soulkiln.org wrote:
I noticed some of these were already mentioned, though not fixed or answered, so far as I can determine.
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else except login.
Known bug
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
Also Known bug
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
Known bug also
This last one is a show-stopper for me. If I can't connect and configure on the fly wherever I go, the DE is useless. So, what would you need from me to diagnose this?
Yea... Well, wait a week and updates will be headed shortly to your mirrors :)
On 16/03/11 23:39, Ed Hurst wrote:
I noticed some of these were already mentioned, though not fixed or answered, so far as I can determine.
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else except login.
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
This last one is a show-stopper for me. If I can't connect and configure on the fly wherever I go, the DE is useless. So, what would you need from me to diagnose this?
Kdesu does not function properly http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=451
Kdesudo does work but sudo is generally not the preferred method for Debian users
I posted a workaround in the forum:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=15
From normal Squeeze repos, wpagui works better here than knetworkmanager ever did. It is qt4 but will not also install half of kde4 as deps. I use "apt-get install no-install-recommends wpagui"
This link is the best wpagui setup info I know of:
http://www.mat.uniroma2.it/~locatell/linux&noi/documenti/sidux-manual/en...
Don't know about your kdm, someone else might if you post more info. Works fine here.
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:34:34 -0500, David Hare davidahare@gmail.com wrote:
From normal Squeeze repos, wpagui works better here than knetworkmanager ever did. It is qt4 but will not also install half of kde4 as deps. I use "apt-get install no-install-recommends wpagui"
Interesting. I got it installed but it wouldn't find my wifi interface. The manual setup I already understood from past experience using a laptop without X (back in the days of Etch). Of course, it matters not what I can do for myself, but this machine is a demo model for Linux newbies migrating from Windows. I'm not willing to put them through manual wifi config that way. I suppose I should have mentioned that in my initial whine ;-)
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Ed Hurst eddie@soulkiln.org wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:34:34 -0500, David Hare davidahare@gmail.com wrote:
From normal Squeeze repos, wpagui works better here than knetworkmanager ever did. It is qt4 but will not also install half of kde4 as deps. I use "apt-get install no-install-recommends wpagui"
Interesting. I got it installed but it wouldn't find my wifi interface. The manual setup I already understood from past experience using a laptop without X (back in the days of Etch). Of course, it matters not what I can do for myself, but this machine is a demo model for Linux newbies migrating from Windows. I'm not willing to put them through manual wifi config that way. I suppose I should have mentioned that in my initial whine ;-)
Oh yes, we need to pull in the newbies. TDE isn't a fully polished product yet, though, but we are working out some major issues via our development version. Unfortunately that may be awhile and KDE3/TDE are IMO the best ones for newbies. You may be able to get away with a distro that uses KDE 3.5.10 until we can make a new release.
On 17/03/11 02:18, Ed Hurst wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:34:34 -0500, David Hare davidahare@gmail.com wrote:
From normal Squeeze repos, wpagui works better here than knetworkmanager ever did. It is qt4 but will not also install half of kde4 as deps. I use "apt-get install no-install-recommends wpagui"
Interesting. I got it installed but it wouldn't find my wifi interface. The manual setup I already understood from past experience using a laptop without X (back in the days of Etch). Of course, it matters not what I can do for myself, but this machine is a demo model for Linux newbies migrating from Windows. I'm not willing to put them through manual wifi config that way. I suppose I should have mentioned that in my initial whine ;-)
If you read the link from sidux wiki I posted and did the configs right, you do that one time only. Thereafter it works as normal user, for me flawlessly.
You will certainly have to restart the network or probably even reboot after you do that, so /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant .conf have been changed.
Another really good network config app is "ceni", it's in Mepis repos. It's cli but ncurses-based and interactive.
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