21 Nov
2019
21 Nov
'19
3:56 p.m.
{Moving to new thread, might have snipped too much}
On Thursday 21 November 2019 08:51:24 am William Morder via trinity-users
wrote:
On Thursday 21 November 2019 06:25:42 Felmon Davis
wrote:
Years ago I decided I was going to donate $200 per year to some open source
project. Occasionally I’d split it up, but most often it went o Drupal, as
that is (was [1]) the open source project my business relies on. Last year I
sent it to TDE. This year I’m splitting it between TDE, MX Linux, and
Backdrop CMS.
But, like Felmon, I received zero acknowledgment it was received. (To be
fair, I’ve never received any acknowledgment from any donation I’ve made to
people at xda-developers either, so maybe it’s just a sole proprietor thing?)
I’m pretty sure donations to TDE don’t make a dent in Tim’s account
receivables, but . . .
Questions:
- Has anyone ever received a donation acknowledgment from Tim?
- Is there a donation acknowledgment page somewhere?
- Do we, the donators, think we should get one?
- Tim how are you doing? (Talk to us man!)
OT Questions:
- Does anyone else make a set amount of donations per year?
- Pro’s? Con’s?
- What other methods do people use for rewarding open source?
Best All,
Michael
[1]
In case anyone cares (this was the last ‘prediction’ for the next year
thread), here’s a overview explanation I did 2 years ago:
https://www.drupal.org/forum/general/news-and-announcements/2018-02-11/pred…
On Thu, 21 Nov 2019, William Morder via
trinity-users wrote:
There are worse things to invest in, than having a computer desktop that
actually works. As for that lost donation, perhaps I will find
warmth in my heart, and
enough money in my account, to make up for the creepy insincerity of
the previous retracted-but-never-truly-offered donation of others. I
can't promise anything now, but maybe in another couple months. I will
put my money where somebody else only talks.
been thinking of sending something anyway, but retirement puts a crimp
in one's wallet. besides I sent something a yr ago and got no
acknowledgement which makes me worry about our founder. 
21 Nov
21 Nov
4:17 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Yearly open source donations
On Thursday 21 November 2019 07:56:25 Michael wrote:
{Moving to new thread, might have snipped too much}
On Thursday 21 November 2019 08:51:24 am William Morder via trinity-users
wrote:
About seven or eight years ago, I actually got a personal response by email
from Tim, so I can testify to the actual existence of somebody who either is,
or who pretends to be, the man himself.
As far as the mystery of his whereabouts, this seldom concerns me, since I am
not a developer myself, and don't have to wait for Tim to do this or that to
make something work. All I care is that TDE keeps going, and that eventually
it is more widely available, or rather easier for ordinary users to install
(.e.g, via standard repositories like Debian, Devuan, the 'Buntus, Slackware,
or whatever). I have managed to adapt to the situation, but it took a long
time to make the change from KDE3 to TDE, then from PC Linux to Kubuntu to
Debian to Devuan, where at last I have found stability in the universe.
On Thursday 21 November 2019 06:25:42 Felmon
Davis wrote:
Years ago I decided I was going to donate $200 per year to some open source
project. Occasionally I’d split it up, but most often it went o Drupal, as
that is (was [1]) the open source project my business relies on. Last year
I sent it to TDE. This year I’m splitting it between TDE, MX Linux, and
Backdrop CMS.
But, like Felmon, I received zero acknowledgment it was received. (To be
fair, I’ve never received any acknowledgment from any donation I’ve made to
people at xda-developers either, so maybe it’s just a sole proprietor
thing?)
I’m pretty sure donations to TDE don’t make a dent in Tim’s account
receivables, but . . .
Questions:
- Has anyone ever received a donation acknowledgment from Tim?
- Is there a donation acknowledgment page somewhere?
- Do we, the donators, think we should get one?
- Tim how are you doing? (Talk to us man!)
On Thu, 21 Nov 2019, William Morder via
trinity-users wrote:
There are worse things to invest in, than having a computer desktop that
actually works. As for that lost donation, perhaps I will find
warmth in my heart,
and enough money in my account, to make up for the creepy insincerity
of the previous retracted-but-never-truly-offered donation of others.
I can't promise anything now, but maybe in another couple months. I
will put my money where somebody else only talks.
been thinking of sending something anyway, but retirement puts a crimp
in one's wallet. besides I sent something a yr ago and got no
acknowledgement which makes me worry about our founder. OT Questions:
- Does anyone else make a set amount of donations per year?
- Pro’s? Con’s?
- What other methods do people use for rewarding open source?
I base my meager donations on my sense of personal responsibility; or, if you
will, guilt. It is not based on what others think of me, and I would prefer
that others don't know whether I do or do not contribute to charity
or "causes", whether good or bad. To advertise one's unselfishness rather
defeats the point.
In this special case, I wanted to make a point, that one cannot retract what
was never actually given to begin with. And then, once I am committed to
giving the money, I cannot back down.
In another case, a few years ago, I donated money to a favorite local radio
station, to keep them on the air. Now, I had been listening to them almost
continuously for about 25 years, so when I had the money and they were in
dire straits, it only seemed, again, like good karma, to pay for what I had
been using already when suddenly I knew that I could afford to give a little.
My feeling, in relation to using TDE, is pretty much the same. I've been using
it for FREE, and now when I have a little extra, I ought to give back some.
It is always better to err on the side of generosity.
I don't have a formal policy; I give according to a strong impulse or feeling
that tells me what I ought to do.
Bill
Best All,
Michael
[1]
In case anyone cares (this was the last ‘prediction’ for the next year
thread), here’s a overview explanation I did 2 years ago:
https://www.drupal.org/forum/general/news-and-announcements/2018-02-11/pred
ictions-for-2018
5:37 p.m.
New subject: [BULK] [trinity-users] Yearly open source donations
On Thursday 21 November 2019 10:56:25 Michael wrote:
{Moving to new thread, might have snipped too much}
On Thursday 21 November 2019 08:51:24 am William Morder via
trinity-users
wrote:
It would be nice.
However the last time I saw a plea from Tim for donations, years ago now,
I could not convince paypal that Tim was a registered recipient of
funds, so I asked Tim on this list for a place to send a check, 2 or 3
times. Never got a reply. I am a firm believer in TANSTAAFL, have a bank
balance that makes a $100 check annually un-noticable. Never getting a
reply means its never been sent, but its there and I feel bad for not
having supported what I think is a very worthwhile free software
endeavor. I'm not a huge user of paypal, ebays click and done has worked
simpler although my bank occasionally emails me a confirmation request,
so theres been no real reason to use paypal. If I knew where to send it,
its trivial to have my bank issue the check. But Tim never answered me,
privately or on this list. So there it is.
On Thursday 21 November 2019 06:25:42 Felmon
Davis wrote:
Years ago I decided I was going to donate $200 per year to some open
source project. Occasionally I’d split it up, but most often it went
o Drupal, as that is (was [1]) the open source project my business
relies on. Last year I sent it to TDE. This year I’m splitting it
between TDE, MX Linux, and Backdrop CMS.
But, like Felmon, I received zero acknowledgment it was received. (To
be fair, I’ve never received any acknowledgment from any donation I’ve
made to people at xda-developers either, so maybe it’s just a sole
proprietor thing?)
I’m pretty sure donations to TDE don’t make a dent in Tim’s account
receivables, but . . .
Questions:
- Has anyone ever received a donation acknowledgment from Tim?
- Is there a donation acknowledgment page somewhere?
- Do we, the donators, think we should get one? On Thu, 21 Nov 2019, William Morder via
trinity-users wrote:
There are worse things to invest in, than having a computer desktop
that actually works. As for that lost donation, perhaps I will find
warmth in my
heart, and enough money in my account, to make up for the creepy
insincerity of the previous retracted-but-never-truly-offered
donation of others. I can't promise anything now, but maybe in
another couple months. I will put my money where somebody else
only talks.
been thinking of sending something anyway, but retirement puts a
crimp in one's wallet. besides I sent something a yr ago and got
no acknowledgement which makes me worry about our founder. - Tim how are you doing? (Talk to us man!)
OT Questions:
- Does anyone else make a set amount of donations per year?
- Pro’s? Con’s?
- What other methods do people use for rewarding open source?
Best All,
Michael
[1]
In case anyone cares (this was the last ‘prediction’ for the next year
thread), here’s a overview explanation I did 2 years ago:
https://www.drupal.org/forum/general/news-and-announcements/2018-02-11
/predictions-for-2018
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