On Wednesday 20 November 2019, Curt Howland wrote: wrote: Curt, thank you for sharing this grand news. And you're right about Konqueror, it's a super tool. I use it everyday. Good day to all, Kate

On Wednesday 20 November 2019 09:22:49 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: KDE4 was extremely unstable around that time Nik. Thats why I found TDE at the time. Been running it since R14.0.0 here, and happy 90% of the time. Now it I could just put a similar whupping on cups. I have a very capable, widely talented brother MFC-J6920DW, capable of excellent photo work on photo paper from the top, tray one. And excellent duplex text and gfx on duplex paper from the bottom tray 2. And it can take 11x17 tabloid paper from a feed slot in the rear. It also has an 11x17 scanner with an adf on top. But cups will only allow it to have one profile, overwriting any existing profile that might exist. Needless to say I consider this a bug, and on wheezy I had managed to make a workaround that worked, but that work around has been blocked now in this stretch install, and repeated posts for help on the cups list have been ignored. Part of the problem is that I've known Mike for about 30 years when he was a starving college student and publishing code that ran on, or didn't, my favorite legacy computer, with me fixing the or didn't's. I don't think Mike liked that... This is now Wednesday, so I'll ping that list again. Now that I seem to have fixed kmail, I'm for it. Its great stuff! Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

Anno domini 2019 Wed, 20 Nov 09:11:04 -0500 Gene Heskett scripsit: ha ha, now we know where your kmail problems come from! (nik ducks and runs like hell) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

On Wednesday 20 November 2019 09:53:25 William Morder via trinity-users wrote: I think thats 2nd nature for me Bill. A short history lesson if you will. I am an only child,, but was an avid reader as soon as they found I was half blind and got me glasses, so I was reading high school physics books at the same time the schools were using McGuffy's readers. About the 7nth grade I made a 147 score on the IQ test Iowa was using then. Had some health problems that turned out to be a food allergy in the middle of 9th grade, quit school and went to work fixing tv's for a living. Around '52 I was beginning to need a woman but Korea stood in the way so I had my draft number moved up. Then scored a 98 on the Armed Forces Qualification Test. Next best that day was 37, got me 4f'd. I guess they were wanting machine gun targets or something. Somebody who could think was the last thing they wanted. So I kept looking for a girl but found most were mental coyotes. By then I had my own service bench cubicle at Woodburn Sound Service in Iowa City, playing salesman when the folks looking for genuine hifi came in. 5 years later a new girl started at my fav greasy spoon, a divorcee named Annie Sweet who signed her tickets AS. I added another S. Next night she handed me a big well used wood screw and asked it thats what I was looking for. I grinned and made a date for Saturday nite. She turned out to be exactly what I was looking for so 2 weeks later we said I do. I had her for about 10 years, then she had a stroke and died. Left me raising three, 6, 8 & 9 yo, all have since passed. In the meantime I'd taken the 1st phone test when the fcc was in town, got that. Never cracked a book, hooked up with the glasshopper at a local bar, took her and our 6 back to Nebraska and a NETV transmitter, sat for the CET in '72 walking in cold. Raised a few eyebrows but got that at journeyman level. I'd learned enough about klystrons there that I was able to talk an fcc field engineer into tearing up a citation as I knew far more about it than he did. Next stop WTSF in Ashland KY where I taught the God Squad engineer about klystrons, then to WDTV-5 in Weston WV, where I decided to run my working time out, it was a nice place, retiring at 66.75 years old after 18 years in that ragged red chair. In the meantime the glasshopper didn't like WV, so she packed up the kids and went back to Nebraska. Left me a hundred dollar bill and a paid apt., till payday, and $27,000 in debt to the IRS. One of my employees introed me to an old maid school teacher and we made it official 30 years ago this next Dec 2nd. Now shes 80, dying of COPD and broken bones and I'm 85, diabetic and running out of heart. Some of that excess IQ left when I made the grim reaper blink the first time by haveing a pulmonary embolism when I was 79, (typical survival rates are about 2%), and now my hearts valves are not sealing all that well so that will get replaced in about 2 weeks with a new aortic valve. Had two sessions in the cath-lab so far, stents in my heart first to fix the heart attack that got my attention, and was the 2nd time the reaper blinked, then some bigger ones in the groin to make passage room for the new valve. My kids intro me as being the smartest man in any building I'm in, but I know some of it is gone forever. They aren't convinced yet though. ;-) Bored yet?, should be. Now, to keep me out of the bars, I've been converting 2 lathes and 2 milling machines to cnc controls, doing things they couldn't do before, several times faster than standing there turning cranks. Sometimes with the lights out and me gone to bed if its a long slow job. The machine, with one exception, doesn't have eyes so it doesn't need lights to make a tray full of swarf. But being ahead by doing it myself has led to some isolation because not everyone understands what I'm doing, that and not being able to leave very far since I am caring for my wife, has tended to isolate me here at home, effectively using these mailing lists as the "gossip fence" to the rest of the better endowed members of our human race. I know well that I probably have used up my reaper blinks, but generally, I've had fun doing it. Would I do it again?, yup. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On 20.11.19 18:14, William Morder via trinity-users wrote: Yes, much appreciated on a technical mailing list. Trimming one's replies would also be in order.

TDE is not really for the nostalgic of KDE3, but made for those who want a light desktop, and nevertheless, with many rich options. I succeeded to keep KDE3 a long time, after, TDE was for me an excellent news. KDE (after v.3) is heavy and has not so many options. TDE is much better ! and much better than these desktop : GNOME3 Unity (GNOME3, défaut Ubuntu) Cinnamon (GNOME3, défaut Linux Mint) Mate (GNOME) LXDE Xfce Enlightenment Environnement Qt ... Best regards, André

Anno domini 2019 Wed, 20 Nov 20:24:41 +0100 Thierry de Coulon scripsit: Devuan would like to, but the build process would have to run in devuan CI system. I never could wrap my mind around it how that would work with git integration and all the knobs and buttons around it - and I think nobody else did :) On the other hand, devuan is not so major and exegnulinux does a good job, IMO (I still have to figure out how to turn a customized installation back to a bootable USB version with persistent home) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

Michael composed on 2019-11-20 14:12 (UTC-0600): ISTR MX people once proposed TDE in their AntiX incarnation, but dropped the idea. Anyone remember this, and if yes, any details? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

On Wednesday 20 November 2019 14:02:57 ajh-valmer wrote: For me too. I am using other, so called lighter desktops on some of my other systems, but those desktops that do not offer me multiple workspaces also severely handicap my way of working when at that machine. I have 10 such workspaces setup on this machine, not all in use but they are there for tmp jobs. Each of the 5 in instant use has a terminal with up to 7 tabs open at this instant each containing shells or logins to my other machines or to other projects I won't bore you with a list of. Now I find the rpi4 I just installed, has the giddyup to run TDE or sure acts like it. But with several active logins to it ATM, I really only notice the lack of the "workspaces" when I am at its own monitor and console. The multiple logins from here greatly alleviate that handicap and put me in a comfy office chair which my back appreciates, a lot. That rpi4 only has 2G of dram, but with a large, off its sd card swap on an SSD, it has yet to refuse to do anything I have asked it to do including building its own preempt-rt kernel, and all of LinuxCNC direct from a git clone of master. Currenty 20 days uptime. Thats what I bought it for. Other folks are now using that code as they can download it from my site, but I think I was first. But for now I'll thank these folks who maintain TDE, and do an Andy Capp and shuddup. Having apparently fixed kmail, I am happy. :-) [...] Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Wednesday 20 November 2019 11:22:28 am de.bug wrote: I believe many, if not most?, on this list consider the ramblings and occasional insight into some other field of Gene, Bill, and the several other characters on this list as "a good thing." I’ve seen these threads usually spiral come down to either of: A) Do we truly want to abide by strict interpretations as to mailing list etiquette so that this list is a sterile wasteland? With the resultant loss of members, and/or actual member readership, who might be able to solve your posted issue? And in extreme cases where the list becomes nothing more than requests with no answers. B) Or, are we willing to accept non-topical speech, given how easy it is to skim, or completely skip, posts not interesting to ourselves? With the increase in total list membership that ‘fun things’ bring, thereby increasing the chance that someone not only has the knowledge, but has actually opened your request to even read it, to help you solve your posted issue? While not related to this list at all, human psychology and group dynamics are interesting fields. Yeah, Gene ‘wasted’ our time, and it’s annoying for those who aren’t interested in Gene, but lets not destroy the list over trivialities. If Gene’s posts, or anyone else's (mine?), annoy you, please just add them to your ignore list... Regards, Michael

Anno domini 2019 Wed, 20 Nov 22:23:06 +0100 Slávek Banko scripsit: I am most interested in knowing who the "others" are ... :) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

On Wednesday 20 November 2019 16:23:06 Slávek Banko wrote: [...] +1 Slavek, thank you, even if my keyboard can't spell your name. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Thursday 21 November 2019 02:24:09 ajh-valmer wrote: I suggest that we develop some kind of consensus on how to handle this kind of situation. I do not wish to feel uncomfortable, nor do I want others to feel so. After we have participated in this list over several years, some of us have got to know one another better than others, but somehow we are expected to interact like AI bots without emotions. All the same, let's not keep going round like this. Let's just agree to take it private once it starts to go off-topic. As for that lost donation, perhaps I will find warmth in my heart, and enough money in my account, to make up for the creepy insincerity of the previous retracted-but-never-truly-offered donation of others. I can't promise anything now, but maybe in another couple months. I will put my money where somebody else only talks. After all, it is good karma. I have been using TDE for a few years now, and cannot imagine using something else. Bill email doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo(a)hot-chilli.net

On Thursday 21 November 2019 06:25:42 Felmon Davis wrote: Same situation here, more or less. If the challenge had come up only a few months ago, it would have been impossible. Now, however, things only just recently have started looking up for me. But I still have a couple other things to do first. My mention of "maybe" referred to when, not if; once I had said I would do it, I was already committed, and I never bluff about such matters. Also, having invoked karma, it would be bad luck not to follow through on my promise. Thanks for the support, Felmon! There are worse things to invest in, than having a computer desktop that actually works. Bill email doctor_contendo(a)zoho.com jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo(a)hot-chilli.net

Anno domini 2019 Thu, 21 Nov 10:48:20 +0100 de.bug scripsit: I find it extremely rude to come new to a place and play police. You have 6 posts on the list, so what do you want? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 2019/11/20 10:11 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Indeed it is! And great to see TDE have some recognition too :-) Cheers Michele