15 Nov
2012
15 Nov
'12
11:54 a.m.
Hello all,
I use OSS 11.1 + KDE3.5.12, installed from a live CD. The motherboard of the
computer is based on an AMD 64-bit, and has about 6 years of age.
My recent installation attempts are
- OSS 12.1 + KDE3
- OSS 12.2 Minimum,
- Exegnulinux_3.3.
All have failed. All seem to have problems with the configuration screen:
can not use the screen in 1280x1024 resolution (graphics card is ATI 350AV
[Radeon 9600])!
I remember trying with almost complete success, a UBUNTU + Trinity (dated
March 2011). It came to use 100% CPU for no reason, and that research in
files on disk 500GB were going badly with Konqueror. I left it when I found
the Live CD 11.1+kde3 (I am still using).
Westurday morning, I tried exegnulinux_3.3. I did not succeed. A 1360x768
screen has been proposed (not 1380, but 1360!), Then, once in this mode and
after restarting the configuration tool, a 1380x1024 screen, but can not
complete the setting because the "configuration tool work in graphical mode
and if you stop the monitor or the card, this tool can not work "or
something like that! In addition, the installation on a USB key failed.
The last distribution tryed (just now) was Fedora-17 (07/2012), a live TDE
CD that is doing the best by far. But here, at the time of installation:
- Unable to change (select any other) disk to install the boot loader
- Can not format in an other format than ext4 (no ReiserFS).
- Alert at end of installation: "Can not install the boot loader".
The cd that I used to boot one of my systems using GRUB1 do not know Ext4.
Consequently to boot Fedora is IMPOSSIBLE!
Finally, I feel very overtaken by my readings in this list for the USERS,
which speaks so much of INSTALLATION SCRIPTS. And if I well understand, a
lot of things changed in Linux: XWindow, SytV init, Grub, give up of
reiserfs for Ext4, KDE4 & Gnome3, sound system, etc, etc...
My question is: OpenSuse is now made so low that I MUST DROP this
distribution.
Direct me to what?
Thank you very much for your work and help.
15 Nov
15 Nov
2:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
My question is: OpenSuse is now made so low that I
MUST DROP this
distribution.
Direct me to what?
Yeah, I had to drop openSuse about 2 months ago since 12.2 with
KDE4 is unusable for me. I
switched to Debian Squeeze (with Trinity of course) and am very happy with that. There
were some
minor problems but I managed to solve most of them.
Janek
2:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
I just got my new ThinkCentre in the mail - I've just installed debian on
it (not a chace yet to install trinity). I'll report back with results.
On 15 November 2012 09:04, Janek S. <fremenzone(a)poczta.onet.pl> wrote:
My question
is: OpenSuse is now made so low that I MUST DROP this
distribution.
Direct me to what?
Yeah, I had to drop openSuse about 2 months ago since 12.2 with
KDE4 is
unusable for me. I
switched to Debian Squeeze (with Trinity of course) and am very happy with
that. There were some
minor problems but I managed to solve most of them.
Janek
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2:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Dne čt 15. listopadu 2012 Calvin Morrison napsal(a):
I just got my new ThinkCentre in the mail - I've
just installed debian
on it (not a chace yet to install trinity). I'll report back with
results.
On 15 November 2012 09:04, Janek S. <fremenzone(a)poczta.onet.pl> wrote:
> > My question is: OpenSuse is now made so low that I MUST DROP this
> > distribution.
> > Direct me to what?
>
> Yeah, I had to drop openSuse about 2 months ago since 12.2 with KDE4
> is unusable for me. I
> switched to Debian Squeeze (with Trinity of course) and am very happy
> with that. There were some
> minor problems but I managed to solve most of them.
>
> Janek
>
I prefer to use Debian stable (now Squeeze) combined with packages from
backports - kernel and Xorg to better support the new hardware.
Slávek
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4:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Still Xorg is getting better - especially for older PC's. No longer do I
have to modify my xorg.conf ;)
On 15 November 2012 11:21, Janek S. <fremenzone(a)poczta.onet.pl> wrote:
I prefer to
use Debian stable (now Squeeze) combined with packages from
backports - kernel and Xorg to better support the new hardware.
Clearly the OP has
old hardware - 6 years old ;)
Janek
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4:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012, Slávek Banko a écrit :
Dne čt 15. listopadu 2012 Calvin Morrison napsal(a):
Hi
Slávek,
Thank you for the answers (Janek & Slavek). I
downloaded "debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso" then started. Problem: it is
not possible to mount filesystems reiserfs! Almost all my partitions are
reiserfs. So once again, I left!
Is there a utility to convert a reiserfs partition to an ext4
partition?
Tx
I just got my new ThinkCentre in the mail -
I've just installed debian
on it (not a chace yet to install trinity). I'll report back with
results.
On 15 November 2012 09:04, Janek S. <fremenzone(a)poczta.onet.pl>wrote;wrote:
>> My question is: OpenSuse is now made so low that I MUST DROP this
>> distribution.
>> Direct me to what?
>
> Yeah, I had to drop openSuse about 2 months ago since 12.2 with KDE4
> is unusable for me. I
> switched to Debian Squeeze (with Trinity of course) and am very happy
> with that. There were some
> minor problems but I managed to solve most of them.
>
> Janek
>
I prefer to use Debian stable (now Squeeze) combined with packages from
backports - kernel and Xorg to better support the new hardware.
Slávek
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5:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012, Slávek Banko a écrit :
Forget
it:
After a brief research, it seems that ext3 is more interesting than
ext4, for the moment. In addition, I will have no problem installing this
module OSS 11.1!
Dne čt 15. listopadu 2012 Calvin Morrison
napsal(a):
Hi
Slávek,
Thank you for the answers (Janek & Slavek). I
downloaded "debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso" then started. Problem: it is
not possible to mount filesystems reiserfs! Almost all my partitions are
reiserfs. So once again, I left!
Is there a utility to convert a reiserfs partition to an ext4
partition?
Tx
--------------------------------------------------------------------- I just got my new ThinkCentre in the mail -
I've just installed debian
on it (not a chace yet to install trinity). I'll report back with
results.
On 15 November 2012 09:04, Janek S. <fremenzone(a)poczta.onet.pl>wrote;wrote:
>> My question is: OpenSuse is now made so low that I MUST DROP this
>> distribution.
>> Direct me to what?
>
> Yeah, I had to drop openSuse about 2 months ago since 12.2 with KDE4
> is unusable for me. I
> switched to Debian Squeeze (with Trinity of course) and am very happy
> with that. There were some
> minor problems but I managed to solve most of them.
>
> Janek
>
I prefer to use Debian stable (now Squeeze) combined with packages from
backports - kernel and Xorg to better support the new hardware.
Slávek
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5:43 p.m.
New subject: Convert reiserfs to ext4 -was: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:54:59AM -0500, Patrick Serru wrote:
I downloaded
"debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso" then started. Problem: it is
not possible to mount filesystems reiserfs! Almost all my partitions are
reiserfs. So once again, I left!
Is there a utility to convert a reiserfs partition to an ext4
partition?
If there were, it might be risky to use it.
On a system that can handle both, I would just mount the reiserfs
partition and an empty ext4 partition on another disk with enough
space to hold the content, and do a deep recursive copy from the
reiserfs to the ext4fs. And when complete, do some checks to make
sure the files were duplicated properly.
Do that for every reiserfs partition.
Maybe there is a more modern way, but I like simple.
2:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OpenSuse still supports KDE3! -was A functional TDE distribution...
OpenSuse, in version 12.2, still offers and supports KDE3!
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 03:04:45PM +0100, Janek S. wrote:
My question
is: OpenSuse is now made so low that I MUST DROP this
distribution.
Direct me to what?
Yeah, I had to drop openSuse about 2 months ago since 12.2 with
KDE4 is unusable for me. I
switched to Debian Squeeze (with Trinity of course) and am very happy with that. There
were some
minor problems but I managed to solve most of them.
Janek
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4:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] OpenSuse still supports KDE3! -was A functional TDE distribution...
OpenSuse, in version 12.2, still offers and supports
KDE3!
Well, they provide a repository with KDE3 packages, but I would be cautious to
call
it "supporting". More and more features break and simply don't work. Seems
that the code is not
updated to wokr with latest PolicyKit. I tried installing Suse 12.2 with KDE3 but gave up
after
two days when I realized I wasn't even halfway done with fixing serious issues like
kpowersave
and wireless network not working under KDE3.
Janek
6:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Le 15/11/2012 12:54, Patrick Serru a écrit :
The last distribution tryed (just now) was Fedora-17
(07/2012), a live TDE
CD that is doing the best by far. But here, at the time of installation:
- Unable to change (select any other) disk to install the boot loader
- Can not format in an other format than ext4 (no ReiserFS).
- Alert at end of installation: "Can not install the boot loader".
The cd that I used to boot one of my systems using GRUB1 do not know Ext4.
Consequently to boot Fedora is IMPOSSIBLE!
Hello,
It's true that the Fedora installer embedded with the LiveCD is
minimalistic.
Currently it cannot install on reiserfs, but I guess it's only because
the reiserfs-utils are not embedded in the LiveCD. I will have a look at
this.
Alternatively you can install Fedora 17 with the official Fedora DVD,
hoping it supports reiserfs, then install TDE from the internet repository.
Finally, I feel very overtaken by my readings in this
list for the USERS,
which speaks so much of INSTALLATION SCRIPTS. And if I well understand, a
lot of things changed in Linux: XWindow, SytV init, Grub, give up of
reiserfs for Ext4, KDE4& Gnome3, sound system, etc, etc...
My question is: OpenSuse is now made so low that I MUST DROP this
distribution.
Direct me to what?
Thank you very much for your work and help.
If you really want to stick with openSuse 11.4 and TDE, I can build TDE
3.5.13.1 ...
It should not be complicated since I already built for 12.2 .
Francois
16 Nov
16 Nov
6:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012, Francois Andriot a écrit :
Le 15/11/2012 12:54, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Hi all, hello
François
I must admit that it is not easy to have to re-learn everything. I do
not know Debian :-/ . I want towards Debian or Fedora. Oss 10 + Yast was so
easy!
There are some questions I ask in this list: how to take a screen
resolution higher IN CONSOLE MODE? My screen seems about 40 lines of 80
columns at startup instead of the usual ~ 150 columns (kernel parameters at
boot: vga = 0x31A)!
Graphics mode was achieved by "startx" and not "init 5" ... How
do I
log in graphic mode (TDM?). While Trinity was started, back on a console
(Ctrl + Alt + F3, for example), the keyboard is not "listening" except Ctrl
+ Alt + Del. Fortunately, because my screen did not like the frequencies
used by XOrg in 1280x1024: black-out! (-: See, Calvin). I guess I have to
visit XOrg to find out how to do this ...
I can not ask all my questions about Debian on this list. It does not lack,
however!
Read you soon!
The last distribution tryed (just now) was
Fedora-17 (07/2012), a live
TDE CD that is doing the best by far. But here, at the time of
installation:
- Unable to change (select any other) disk to install the boot loader
- Can not format in an other format than ext4 (no ReiserFS).
- Alert at end of installation: "Can not install the boot loader".
The cd that I used to boot one of my systems using GRUB1 do not know
Ext4. Consequently to boot Fedora is IMPOSSIBLE!
Hello,
It's true that the Fedora installer embedded with the LiveCD is
minimalistic.
Currently it cannot install on reiserfs, but I guess it's only because
the reiserfs-utils are not embedded in the LiveCD. I will have a look at
this.
Alternatively you can install Fedora 17 with the official Fedora DVD,
hoping it supports reiserfs, then install TDE from the internet
repository.
Finally, I feel very overtaken by my readings in
this list for the USERS,
which speaks so much of INSTALLATION SCRIPTS. And if I well understand, a
lot of things changed in Linux: XWindow, SytV init, Grub, give up of
reiserfs for Ext4, KDE4& Gnome3, sound system, etc, etc…
My question is: OpenSuse is now made so low that I MUST DROP this
distribution.
Direct me to what?
Thank you very much for your work and help.
If you really want to stick with openSuse 11.4 and TDE, I can build TDE
3.5.13.1 …
It should not be complicated since I already built for 12.2 .
Francois
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6:52 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Le 16/11/2012 19:19, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Hi all, hello François
I must admit that it is not easy to have to re-learn everything. I do
not know Debian :-/ . I want towards Debian or Fedora. Oss 10 + Yast was so
easy!
There are some questions I ask in this list: how to take a screen
resolution higher IN CONSOLE MODE? My screen seems about 40 lines of 80
columns at startup instead of the usual ~ 150 columns (kernel parameters at
boot: vga = 0x31A)!
Graphics mode was achieved by "startx" and not "init 5" ...
How do I
log in graphic mode (TDM?). While Trinity was started, back on a console
(Ctrl + Alt + F3, for example), the keyboard is not "listening" except Ctrl
+ Alt + Del. Fortunately, because my screen did not like the frequencies
used by XOrg in 1280x1024: black-out! (-: See, Calvin). I guess I have to
visit XOrg to find out how to do this ...
I can not ask all my questions about Debian on this list. It does not lack,
however!
Read you soon!
Hello,
which OSS version were you running exactly ? 10.x or 11.x ?
About the console video mode, I think the "vga" option and framebuffer
stuff are obsoleted by the "KMS" feature.
KMS is supposed to switch your console to the best resolution available.
If your computer does not support it, I think you can disable it by
adding the "nomodeset" kernel parameter in grub.conf . If you do so, the
"vga=" parameter should work again.
As you seem to already know, the KDM automatic startup should be enabled
if you use the correct runlevel.
In Fedora, in order to have Trinity's kdm started automatically in
runlevel 5, you must add a variable in a config file.
In file (it does not exist by default):
/etc/sysconfig/desktop
Add the following line (without spaces):
DISPLAYMANAGER=/opt/trinity/bin/kdm
Then restart the service with command:
service dm restart
There must be a corresponding setting in Debian but I do not know it.
Francois
17 Nov
17 Nov
6:09 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012, Francois Andriot a écrit :
Le 16/11/2012 19:19, Patrick Serru a écrit :
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Passing by Debian before installing Fedora17:
******************************
Slávek wrote 50 times: REBOOT after the packet modification.
******************************
Thus, the console is correct, and now the login screen is Trinity's. But X
is always wrong!
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François: I speak of 10.3 because it is the last distribution I
installed "normally". I installed the 11.1 that I currently use in an
emergency. I do not know because I have not gone into detail, because its
use is only temporary.
Installing Fedora 17 went well. I noticed the similarity of the
installer, with that of Debian. I ordered a minimum installation. So, I had
to look for wget! Thus, the line indicating how to search with Yum had been
helpful.
Once many Trinity packages installed, I rebooted :-) But this went
wrong and it ended up with a "Ctrl D to continue". Usually, I get a "Ctrl D
to reboot" when I'm wrong when editing /etc/fstab. Look at fstab: Ha
horror: UUID while! I wonder how humans can deal with theses UUIDs… I
concluded that administrators must identify the disks otherwise. Anyway, I
left things such as the installer left it. I try a "startx": X has not
started and I do not know why.
I do not know the tool to add software (equivalent to yast). Too bad,
because I have installed a small window manager and Firefox. I will search
on Internet…
In fact, I came back here to read the mail:
Hi all, hello François
I must admit that it is not easy to have to re-learn everything. I
do not know Debian :-/ . I want towards Debian or Fedora. Oss 10 + Yast
was so easy!
There are some questions I ask in this list: how to take a screen
resolution higher IN CONSOLE MODE? My screen seems about 40 lines of 80
columns at startup instead of the usual ~ 150 columns (kernel parameters
at boot: vga = 0x31A)!
Graphics mode was achieved by "startx" and not "init 5" ... How
do
I log in graphic mode (TDM?). While Trinity was started, back on a
console (Ctrl + Alt + F3, for example), the keyboard is not "listening"
except Ctrl + Alt + Del. Fortunately, because my screen did not like the
frequencies used by XOrg in 1280x1024: black-out! (-: See, Calvin). I
guess I have to visit XOrg to find out how to do this ...
I can not ask all my questions about Debian on this list. It does not
lack, however!
Read you soon!
Hello,
which OSS version were you running exactly ? 10.x or 11.x ?
About the console video mode, I think the "vga" option and framebuffer
stuff are obsoleted by the "KMS" feature.
KMS is supposed to switch your console to the best resolution available.
If your computer does not support it, I think you can disable it by
adding the "nomodeset" kernel parameter in grub.conf . If you do so, the
"vga=" parameter should work again.
As you seem to already know, the KDM automatic startup should be enabled
if you use the correct runlevel.
In Fedora, in order to have Trinity's kdm started automatically in
runlevel 5, you must add a variable in a config file.
In file (it does not exist by default):
/etc/sysconfig/desktop
Add the following line (without spaces):
DISPLAYMANAGER=/opt/trinity/bin/kdm
Then restart the service with command:
service dm restart
There must be a corresponding setting in Debian but I do not know it.
Francois
In file (it does not exist by default):
/etc/sysconfig/desktop
Add the following line (without spaces):
DISPLAYMANAGER=/opt/trinity/bin/kdm
Then restart the service with command:
service dm restart
I'm going to try that. I am not optimistic! If it still does not
work, I re-install down from the "Trinity-F17 live CD" on a mini partition,
and then copy it all files from this mini partition on the "big" Fedora! It
will boot, I hope! And if that does not work: I go back to Windows!
Thank you for all,
Patrick
16 Nov
16 Nov
6:55 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Am Freitag, 16. November 2012, 13:19:10 schrieb Patrick Serru:
Graphics mode was achieved by
"startx" and not "init 5" ... How do I
log in graphic mode (TDM?)
try
dpkg-reconfigure tdm
(or dpkg-reconfigure kdm)
werner
19 Nov
19 Nov
12:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] A functional TDE distribution...
Le vendredi 16 novembre 2012, Werner Joss a écrit :
Am Freitag, 16. November 2012, 13:19:10 schrieb
Patrick Serru:
Thank
you Werner,
Let's close this thread, ever if I did not install Fedora 17 or
Debian. This is not a TDE probem.
Windows 7 or 8, noooo. Rather suicide!
Thanks to all,
Patrick
Graphics mode was achieved by
"startx" and not "init 5"… How do I
log in graphic mode (TDM?)
try
dpkg-reconfigure tdm
(or dpkg-reconfigure kdm)
werner
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