I just reinstalled my X61s yesterday and ran into a nasty bug: the system hangs on shutdown, the last line on the screen has varying content ("Will halt now ..", "No more processes ..." etc) - just like this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672358 It looks like the bug is triggered by /opt/trinity/bin/tsak and the e1000e module. When I disable tsak and remove e1000e before shutdown the system shuts down as expected, otherwise the system hangs. So, is there a way to shutdown /opt/trinity/bin/tsak togather with trinidy, so that I can still have sak but the bug is not triggered? nik

On 11/11/12 23:41, Felmon Davis wrote: Exegnu is straight Debian Squeeze, built from a clean debootstrap, with a stock Debian kernel, with (not the entire metapackage) TDE installed. No core stuff is altered from Squeeze. Whatever your DE, that is unlikely to cause hibernate/resume issues. A quick look through the search engines shows others with similar problems, e.g. : http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01689.html Most likely this is neither a bug from Exe nor TDE I have nothing that new here to test that (and never actually used hibernate/resume) Squeeze is ~2 years old now, wheezy is coming soon Have you tried the latest kernel from squeeze-backports? firmware-linux-nonfree installed? David

On Sunday 11 November 2012 02:49:56 pm Francois Andriot wrote: That would be wonderful! Andy

Thank you very much Francois! I will try it this week. Just a question: Is it the complete environment (with the programs) or just a base package? I am currently removing KDE4 from a PCLOS KDE edition 2012. I will install icewm to have a window manager before removing kde. I will probably have to install another session manager since I will remove every kde4 packages.

Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:15:18 +0100 From: francois.andriot(a)free.fr To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012 Le 12/11/2012 00:40, Alexandre Couture a écrit : Thank you very much Francois! I will try it this week. Just a question: Is it the complete environment (with the programs) or just a base package? I am currently removing KDE4 from a PCLOS KDE edition 2012. I will install icewm to have a window manager before removing kde. I will probably have to install another session manager since I will remove every kde4 packages. Hello, This is a build up to "kdebase" components. You have a fully working desktop, including kdesktop, kwin, kicker, konqueror, kdm, kate, etc ... You need nothing from Gnome or KDE4 or any other environment. But you have no extra application at all. Francois Thank you Francois! It works very well. It is amazingly fast on PCLinuxOS and it is stable. Here a 2 ''problems'' that are not that much important that I have found: -It installs base packages of KDE4 as dependencies of TDE. It is not a big problem since I won't use KDE4 but it takes more disk space. -On the login screen, it says Welcome to and after that there are system variables instead of just TDE or PCLinuxOS. I plan to use autologin so it will not even be seen. I will need other packages such as KCalc, Ark, K3B, amarok, Dolphin and deKorator. If someone can take all these packages and their dependencies from the Mandriva 2011 repo to copy them in the repo made by Francois for PCLinuxOS, it would be very appreciated. Since PCLOS, Mandriva and Mageia are in the same family, it think that these packages would be a direct fit without having to rebuild them. I hope I can have my PCLinuxOS remaster before christmas to share it here. Upstream PCLinuxOS will probably not support it because main devs on their forum says the TDE will never be part of official PCLOS, but Linux is all about choice! We can have the choice to use a fast but feature-complete TDE instead of having to use incomplete and still slow smaller desktop environment on our computers! Keep up the good work! -Alexandre

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:09:00 +0100 From: francois.andriot(a)free.fr To: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-users] Trinity packages for PCLinuxOS 2012 Le 14/11/2012 14:33, Alexandre Couture a écrit : Thank you Francois! It works very well. It is amazingly fast on PCLinuxOS and it is stable. Here a 2 ''problems'' that are not that much important that I have found: -It installs base packages of KDE4 as dependencies of TDE. It is not a big problem since I won't use KDE4 but it takes more disk space. Hello, the KDE4 stuff are installed because of a (wrong, imho) dependency in the distribution. In order to get the PCLInuxOS wallpapers in TDE, I need to install this package: "wallpaper-theme-default" It contains only ".jpg" wallpapers. But this package has a requirement for "kde-workspace-core". Why do wallpapers require KDE4 ? It should be the contrary. ... I suggest you fill a bug report in PCLinuxOS web site... -On the login screen, it says Welcome to and after that there are system variables instead of just TDE or PCLinuxOS. I plan to use autologin so it will not even be seen. OK, this one will be fixed when I rebuild the package. I will need other packages such as KCalc, Ark, K3B, amarok, Dolphin and deKorator. If someone can take all these packages and their dependencies from the Mandriva 2011 repo to copy them in the repo made by Francois for PCLinuxOS, it would be very appreciated. Since PCLOS, Mandriva and Mageia are in the same family, it think that these packages would be a direct fit without having to rebuild them. Alas, even though you may install packages from MGA or MDK, they are likely not to work correctly. Both Mandriva 2011 and Mageia 2 use libpng15, but PCLOS still use libpng12. That means most (if not all) of Trinity applications must be rebuilt for libpng12. But don't worry, I will build the remaining packages soon. Francois Hi Francois, It's funny to see that the wallpapers would need kde4. In my opinion, the trinity packages shouldn't have the PCLOS wallpapers as a dependency too. I'll check if I can force the removal of the wallpaper package and then if I can remove KDE4, but at the same time, it can be useful to have the base packages of KDE4 if I want to add KDE4 apps later, so I'll think about it! For the login, I found out that I could write the text in the login manager page in the TDE control center... I have installed qtcurve theme for qtk2, qt3 and qt4. Since I have some apps written in qt3 (as QCad and TDE) and some that looks like qt3 apps (as DraftSight) but is made in fact in qt4 and pure qt4 apps (as VLC media player and Clementine). Now, I have 2 or more qtconfig. PCLOS has one QT3 and one QT4, DraftSight seems to have a QT3 (probably that it isn't completely ported to qt4) In some qtconfig, I don't see my qtcurve theme but I see support for GTK theme, which is QTCurve, so I ended up having QTCurve in every apps. Thank you! -Alexandre

Hello, This time I've built all TDE 3.5.13.1 packages for PCLinuxOS 2012, and solved the wallpaper and KDE4 problem. If you have installed previous packages, remove them all: # rpm -qa "trinity-*" | xargs rpm -e New instructions: Configure the Trinity repository (the directories have changed since last time) : # echo "rpm http://trinity.mangafrance.com/pclos2012/ trinity-3.5.13/RPMS applications dependencies extras libraries main" # apt-get update Install Trinity:: # apt-get install trinity-tdebase will install the basic desktop, as you did before. # apt-get install trinity-desktop will install every base packages (except development). # apt-get install trinity-i18n-French will install the french translation. There are other translations available too. You can also install applications as amarok, k3b ... # apt-get install trinity-amarok # apt-get install trinity-k3b ... Have fun with TDE :-) Francois

Le 16/11/2012 23:35, Lisi Reisz a écrit : It's only a matter of packager's choice. I chose to use "trinity" as a prefix for .rpm packages, whereas the .deb packager chose to use it as a suffix. There is no technical reason. Francois

Good choice! It is better IMHO to have them separated for the KDE4 apps and it's less confusing. -Alexandre

PCLinuxOS comes with KDE4. If the trinity word was at the end of the name, it would mean that the tde dolphin package would be right beside the kde4 dolphin package, so it would be easy to install the wrong program. With the trinity word in front of all trinity packages, all the packages coming from tde are grouped together when we go in Synaptic. I understand why you said that, anyway .deb and .rpm wouldn't be used on the same distro! -Alexandre

Kate, it will probably be ready before Christmas. If your computers runs well regular PCLinuxOS, it will run my TDE remaster as well. For the moment, I had an issue with the PCLOS installer who don't seem to ''see'' TDM and wants me to install XDM. Francois tried something but it doesn't work for me. For now, I have installed GDM and it seem to work flawlessly. I will probably just put a PDF instruction file on the desktop so that the new users will know where to go in the PCLinuxOS control center to switch the session manager to TDM. I use the Qt-Curve theme for now. It provides consistent look between QT3, Qt4 and GTK2 apps. If you provide a link to the baghira theme, it could include it. Do you have a GTK2 equivalent too? Coming soon! -Alexandre

On Sunday 18 November 2012 01:33:17 Alexandre Couture wrote: So you use a GUI installer? Yes, I suppose that that makes a sort of sense. I never use GUI installers, so hadn't really understood what you meant by "next to". Lisi

Thank you Francois! My PCLinuxOS TDE remaster is on the way! I have it almost fully set as I want and I did a few test remasters. As of now, it boots perfectly as a livecd but when I install it, draklive-install says that I need xdm. I have copied all files of TDE'S kdm on the normal places (not in /opt...) and I will try it back. It looks like Draklive-install couldn't find kdm.It takes 5-6 hours on my test computer to compress the entire disk to transform it in livecd iso. The iso will contain the PCLOS base, TDE 3.5.13.1, LibreOffice, DraftSight, QCad, Firefox, Amarok, K3B, many TDE apps and the PCLOS control center. The KDE4 base and libs has been removed to reduce the size of the iso. As it is now, it weights about 1.5gb. It has a look very similar to KDE4 with the QtCurve theme, Oxygen icon theme and SuperKaramba widgets. The only difference is that the system is very fast and much more stable than KDE4, even on systems with less RAM. I will try to post screenshots soon! -Alexandre

On Sunday 11 November 2012 05:45:13 pm François ANDRIOT wrote: That was fast! Thank you very much, I will give it a try as soon as I can. Best regards, Andy